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[laurakaye]

If I'm following the timeline correctly, the afternoon before the robbery took place, she posted an Instagram of her and her bodyguard, with the caption "this guy is always in my shot."  I assume he's her personal bodyguard, and always nearby.

So, as I still remain skeptical, I find the timing interesting: she posts a picture of her bodyguard.  Several hours later, she is robbed at gunpoint.  Assuming whoever robbed her knew where she was, how to find her, and whether or not she'd be alone, who would bound and gag a celebrity, knowing that they have a personal bodyguard?  Unless whoever did it knew that the bodyguard was going to be elsewhere...but why would the bodyguard leave Kim alone in a hotel room along with several million dollars in jewelry?

Man, I'm glad Kim is not hurt, but something's really off about the story.

Edited October 3, 2016 by laurakaye

[iwasish]

All those selfies, all those texts, all her business is on those phones. Of course, if they turn them on they might be able to trace the robbers location by pinging them.

Kim didn't stick around in case she was needed to ID these perps?

How stupid to have that many millions of dollars of jewelry in your house. We know the appraised value of jewelry is usually way higher than retail and I'm sure Kanye and the Klan get a nice discount anyway, so they will make out better probably on an insurance claim.

15 minutes ago, Artsda said:

A caravan of 15 Escalades worth? This is nonsense of a show they put on for her arrival. 

That's all Kanye and his inflated ego. There's no underground parking in the fabulous apartment they have? She must be shook up, her tits and ass weren't on display.

[BitterApple]

It wouldn't surprise me if she was at the apartment alone to provide "company" for a wealthy gentleman. It would be one way to explain the lack of entourage.

[iwasish]

The robbers forced the concierge at gunpoint to open her room. She was tied up and gagged, tossed in the bathtub. They stole her stuff and left. She escaped from her bindings and called for help.  What happened to the concierge? was he bound and gagged? Did the thieves just leave him there and go? If he wasn't knocked out or bound up, why didn't he call for help and help poor Kim?

Ironic that the same night she's bound and gagged, so is her brother?

If any good comes from this it will be that she becomes a recluse like Rob and we never see her in public again.

[BitterApple]

If Kim had to work her wrists out of bindings, they'd be all scraped up. I wonder if the police photographed her or took notice of something like that. Also, if she still has her engagement ring, that's pretty suspicious. A robber isn't going to steal eleven mil worth of jewelry but feel bad and let Kim keep her wedding set. 

[ChristmasJones]

Ok, so I woke up to NPR this morning and THEY mentioned this story!!!! I was like... has NPR been punked???? 

[howmanywords]

People has a source saying that its normal for her guard to leave once she's presumably safe at home. 

Its easy to throw around the name Ryan Lochne but it's also being ignored that he didn't exactly come away from his stunt with sympathy. Its widely known he got in a shitload of trouble with the police, lost endorsement deals, has been banned from competitive swimming, hit with fines, and he's hated by many now, not to mention I'm pretty he's banned from Brazil.

[Almost 3000]

I'll just wait for something like the "E" Inside The Kardashian's Own Bling Ring for the truth because you know its as close as we'll get to it.

[farmgal4]

I have a very hard time believing that she would be allowed (by law enforcement) to leave Paris that quickly, if this really happened.  I also have a very hard time believing that there was no security either inside and/or right outside the residence where she was.  So nope, I'm not buying the story they're trying to sell.  Sorry.

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

I have a very hard time believing that she would be allowed (by law enforcement) to leave Paris that quickly, if this really happened.  I also have a very hard time believing that there was no security either inside and/or right outside the residence where she was.  So nope, I'm not buying the story they're trying to sell.  Sorry.

Lol, right? Apartment building that houses gazillionaires and they only have a measly concierge for security? And one bodyguard was splitting time between Kim and her two sisters? There's too much not adding up for me to take this at face value. Starting with why Kim was alone there in the first place. 

[TheVoicesToldMeTo]

18 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

I have a very hard time believing that she would be allowed (by law enforcement) to leave Paris that quickly, if this really happened.  I also have a very hard time believing that there was no security either inside and/or right outside the residence where she was.  So nope, I'm not buying the story they're trying to sell.  Sorry.

Wasn't her purse stolen?  How would she have passport to leave France and re-enter US?  Or can wealthy people get around that little detail?

[merylinkid]

12 hours ago, GaT said:

  

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Someone who's worth over 50 million dollars and makes a million bucks every day just by advertising on social media doesn't have to pull insurance scams.

Someone who spends money as fast as she makes it sure would.   Lots of rich people pull insurance scams.   

The good news is I am sure those children were far far away when this happened.   because you know Kim doesn't let those kids near her unless its a photo opp.   Unlike a certain Duke and Duchess who you can tell are genuinely involved parents.

Yeah, Kim freed herself?   Really?   And I would fire that bodyguard who felt it was okay to leave his client home at night.   Because, of course, no one is ever harmed in their own home.  

I do think Kim is dumb enough to pull this as a publicity stunt.   She wouldn't notice all the negative things that happened to Ryan Lochte because well, he's not her, so nobody would hold her responsible for bad idea.   Since  nobody every has in the past.  

[iwasish]

4 minutes ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

Wasn't her purse stolen?  How would she have passport to leave France and re-enter US?  Or can wealthy people get around that little detail?

That ass is her passport.  Her face changes constantly so the only identifiable is her ass.

I want to know what happened to the concierge? If they left her unharmed, did they leave him also unharmed? Why was it easier for Kim to escape her bonds and call for help and not him?

Have the other family robberies ever been solved? Who robbed Kourtney and Scott?  Who stole Lamar's jewelry right out of their safe?

[Cocoa Puff]

6 minutes ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

Wasn't her purse stolen?  How would she have passport to leave France and re-enter US?  Or can wealthy people get around that little detail?

She came back via private jet. Do the wealthy that own/lease/charter private jets have slightly relaxed check in/customs protocol when flying international?  

2 minutes ago, iwasish said:

That ass is her passport.  Her face changes constantly so the only identifiable is her ass.

I want to know what happened to the concierge? If they left her unharmed, did they leave him also unharmed? Why was it easier for Kim to escape her bonds and call for help and not him?

Have the other family robberies ever been solved? Who robbed Kourtney and Scott?  Who stole Lamar's jewelry right out of their safe?

All of this, this had to have been an inside job. They have so many people/workers/helpers that I could imagine that they'd get greedy. They're getting "pennies" compared to the high end lifestyle of thier employers. 

[Jeanius]

If it's true, it's sad. If it isn't it's sad. Poor Kim.

[howmanywords]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Also, if she still has her engagement ring, that's pretty suspicious. A robber isn't going to steal eleven mil worth of jewelry but feel bad and let Kim keep her wedding set. 

In the pics of her back in NY she's not wearing her engagement ring or the even bigger ring Kanye recently bought her

[Jellybeans]

If it's true maybe Kim will keep more clothes on for awhile.  Or stay out of sight for a week.

[Aw my lahgs]

Things are not adding up. If this really happened she'd want the authorities on the case, which doesn't work if you're thousands of miles away. No way could she have been interviewed, give evidence etc before leaving. Very shady. I smell an insurance scam.

[emma675]

I can't stand Kim, her "fashion", her family (minus the kiddos, they've done nothing to earn anyone's ire), her endless selfies, her nudity, etc., but if this story is true, I'm glad she's okay and hope she can get some help to deal with any lingering psychological/safety issues this incident surely caused. And all of the victim shaming ("she deserved it for flaunting her wealth/status/money/etc.") I've seen across the internet, makes me very uncomfortable. No one, regardless of how much they have and how much they flaunt it, deserves to be tied up and robbed at gunpoint. 

 

If it turns out this story is not true and the K's made it up for publicity, karma is a bitch and I hope the whole world gets to watch when it catches up to them. 

Edited October 3, 2016 by emma675d

[iwasish]

6 minutes ago, emma675 said:

I can't stand Kim, her "fashion", her family (minus the kiddos, they've done nothing to earn anyone's ire), her endless selfies, her nudity, etc., but if this story is true, I'm glad she's okay and hope she can get some help to deal with any lingering psychological/safety issues this incident surely caused. And all of the victim shaming ("she deserved it for flaunting her wealth/status/money/etc.") I've seen across the internet, makes me very uncomfortable. No one, regardless of how much they have and how much they flaunt it, deserves to be tied up and robbed at gunpoint. 

 

If it turns out this story is not true and the K's made it up for publicity, karma is a bitch and I hope the whole world gets to watch when it catches up to them. 

Maybe it will take Kanye's mind off of Taylor Swift for a while.

Is it true the thieves made off on bicycles? Police jackets but also masks? No security cameras, no closed circuit camera?

Kim doesn't believe in therapy.  As she told Rob about his issues, "just stopping complaining and do something about them"

[TheVoicesToldMeTo]

Digital Music News (oddly enough) has a great list o 10 reasons they think the robbery was fake. 

[biakbiak]

49 minutes ago, Nutella said:

Things are not adding up. If this really happened she'd want the authorities on the case, which doesn't work if you're thousands of miles away. No way could she have been interviewed, give evidence etc before leaving. Very shady. I smell an insurance scam.

Pretty certain when you are an international celebrity, you don't need to stay around just to make sure the authorities are on the case because the police are going to be harassed with questions by the media and will want to solve it quickly to avoid the controversy. People brought up Ryan Lochte but in that case they didn't even go to the police the police came to them because he lied to his mother who talked to the media and the story got picked up and the police went to them before they even suspected that they were lying.

[teapot]

When I worked in retail in high school, I would occasionally have one of my girlfriends call the store, and I'd get all upset & teary in front of everyone & tell them I had to leave due to a "family emergency." (mind you I was 16)

maybe Kanye just didn't feel like singing last night????????

[iwasish]

2 minutes ago, teapot said:

When I worked in retail in high school, I would occasionally have one of my girlfriends call the store, and I'd get all upset & teary in front of everyone & tell them I had to leave due to a "family emergency." (mind you I was 16)

maybe Kanye just didn't feel like singing last night????????

From the clip I heard, I sounded like he interrupted his own taped voice to make the announcement, was he lip synching? 

[Aw my lahgs]

4 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Pretty certain when you are an international celebrity, you don't need to stay around just to make sure the authorities are on the case because the police are going to be harassed with questions by the media and will want to solve it quickly to avoid the controversy. People brought up Ryan Lochte but in that case they didn't even go to the police the police came to them because he lied to his mother who talked to the media and the story got picked up and the police went to them before they even suspected that they were lying.

She may be an "international celebrity ", but police would want to interview her for a several hours going over every single detail, never mind investigating the crime scene! If she left so fast she likely willingly or unwillingly tempered with evidence. European police doesn't really care about who you are, they'd still want to spend time with her.

[teapot]

3 minutes ago, iwasish said:

From the clip I heard, I sounded like he interrupted his own taped voice to make the announcement, was he lip synching? 

I thought that, too!  when Milli Vanilli does it, it's a disgraceful catastrophe.  When Kanye West does it, it's Sunday.  How times have changed!

[biakbiak]

Just now, Nutella said:

She may be an "international celebrity ", but police would want to interview her for a several hours going over every single detail, never mind investigating the crime scene! If she left so fast she likely willingly or unwillingly tempered with evidence. European police doesn't really care about who you are, they'd still want to spend time with her.

She has already been interviewed and if they didn't really care about who she was or thought she was lying they wouldn't be talking to the press, most of the information is coming from police source. Though I also disagree that European police don't care who people are based on some experience in Paris I have had with a D-LIST celebrity at best.

[Veronique Bette]

2 hours ago, MsDiva2007 said:

I guess I don't understand if you don't like Kim nobody is forcing anyone to watch KUWTK, nobody has been forced to follow her every move! I manage to avoid the entire Manzo family by not watching their show and not following them on social media.

You folks who don't like her and follow and discuss her every move are why she is famous!

As far as I know, it's not mandatory to like everyone on every program you may watch or discuss. And it’s pretty hard to miss the Kardashian/Jenner clan and their 24/7, all-news-all-the-time media/social media coverage. Unlike, say, the Manzo family, who are pretty much unknown to most of the world and of no interest to the paparazzi.

[ChocolateAddict]

6 hours ago, Frost said:

Per People magazine, she was taped hand and foot, gagged, handcuffed, AND locked in the bathroom.  Then she freed herself and alerted the authorities.  Are we talking about Kim or MacGyver?  I have a lot of sympathy for the terror of people breaking into your hotel room and robbing you at gunpoint, but the embellishments are quickly increasing my skepticism.

That's one of the things that makes me suspicious.  Kim (the woman who doesn't even try her own clothes on) managed to escape handcuffs, tape, a gag and a locked room? Please.  And where was the concierge while all this happened?  Sure he was "threatened at gun point" but unless Kim is James Bond, there would have been some serious time between the robbers leaving and this incredible "escape".  

I agree with everyone else about the security.  Paris is still on high alert for terrorist attacks but one of the most famous women in the world was completely alone in the hotel?  Not a single security guard for the entire building besides the concierge? At one stage Kris had two extra security guards outside their house in a gated community because someone sent them a pizza (which was probably staged anyway).  I just find it inconceivable that the Kardashians would leave their cash cow unprotected in Paris without a single member of security in the building. 

I have to say that I'm thinking that something happened but that the details are becoming more and more elaborate.  I fully expect to be told sometime today that Kim actually abseiled down the building to get free and has since used all her detective skills to crack the case.  And will be using her law degree later this year to prosecute the offenders.  You heard it first here, folks!

[toolazy]

I'm struck by the number of people making judgments based on "facts" that are preliminary, contradictory and possibly false.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out she faked it but it's the sort of thing that is sufficiently horrific that I'm going to suspend judgment until some time as passed and the dust has settled.  I'm sure that if this was faked, it will come out soon enough. 

[Jellybeans]

I think most of us make judgements because this is the world's most overexposed woman.  And she supposedly was robbed...and we're already tired of the story.

[kokapetl]

Would it really be unusual for all the details and facts to not be known at such an early stage? Phones exist and the cops have them, so Kim not being in Paris for the entire duration of the investigation seems like a non issue. I think people are being far too cynical, considering that local police/mayor/government ministers have basically confirmed that a robbery is being investigated. 

[iwasish]

1 hour ago, ChocolateAddict said:

That's one of the things that makes me suspicious.  Kim (the woman who doesn't even try her own clothes on) managed to escape handcuffs, tape, a gag and a locked room? Please.  And where was the concierge while all this happened?  Sure he was "threatened at gun point" but unless Kim is James Bond, there would have been some serious time between the robbers leaving and this incredible "escape".  

I agree with everyone else about the security.  Paris is still on high alert for terrorist attacks but one of the most famous women in the world was completely alone in the hotel?  Not a single security guard for the entire building besides the concierge? At one stage Kris had two extra security guards outside their house in a gated community because someone sent them a pizza (which was probably staged anyway).  I just find it inconceivable that the Kardashians would leave their cash cow unprotected in Paris without a single member of security in the building. 

I have to say that I'm thinking that something happened but that the details are becoming more and more elaborate.  I fully expect to be told sometime today that Kim actually abseiled down the building to get free and has since used all her detective skills to crack the case.  And will be using her law degree later this year to prosecute the offenders.  You heard it first here, folks!

Like her being accosted on a plane and screamed at for having a black baby. Tons of witnesses in first class yet no one ever confirmed her story. 

Like the inside job on stealing Lamars jewelry and the theft from Scott and Kourtney's house. The pizza stalker of Kylie who just managed to deliver all those pizzas while the family was filming the show. 

She may well have been robbed but I'm betting it was someone with connections deep in the inner workings of the family and probably never had any intention of hurting Kim. 

When they actually arrest and convict someone, I'll believe it. 

[BitterApple]

If we're going with inside job, I'd put my money on Jonathan. Being Kim's lap dog is bound to breed resentment. He does all her shit work and she treats him like dirt. From what I've seen Kim treats her assistant Steph quite well, so I don't think it was her. The bodyguard is getting dragged through the mud for leaving Kim unattended, but he's her employee. If he wasn't there it's because she told him to split.

[biakbiak]

TMZ is reporting that a friend Simone was sleeping in another room, and locked herself in the room when she heard the commotion and called the bodyguard and Kourtney.  The bodyguard must have been close by if he was there so quickly but it sounds like the reports of Kim freeing herself are probably inaccurate. There is always tons of speculation and press making shit up when these sort of things happens so who knows.

I wonder who will score the inevitable interview?

[Cocoa Puff]

It also said that they used zip ties as handcuffs then put duck tape over that. I doubt Kim would've seen them but there are lot's of youtube video's showing how to get out of that excat scenario. How to place your arms so that you're able to free yourself. 

This was a smash and grab, after reading this I belive this is a truthful, horrific event. 

And she'll be sitting down with Matt Lauer in Kris's living room for the exclusive interview. 

[iwasish]

She and Kanye pulled out of our local airport in a long line of black SUVs.  She's getting the Princess Di treatment. 

Who will get the first interview? Oprah?

[kokapetl]

27 minutes ago, carolinagirl81 said:

It also said that they used zip ties as handcuffs then put duck tape over that. I doubt Kim would've seen them but there are lot's of youtube video's showing how to get out of that excat scenario. How to place your arms so that you're able to free yourself. 

This was a smash and grab, after reading this I belive this is a truthful, horrific event. 

And she'll be sitting down with Matt Lauer in Kris's living room for the exclusive interview. 

Plus plastic isn't steel. 

The always tasteless daily mail:

Edited October 3, 2016 by Kokapetl

[howmanywords]

35 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

TMZ is reporting that a friend Simone was sleeping in another room, and locked herself in the room when she heard the commotion and called the bodyguard and Kourtney.  The bodyguard must have been close by if he was there so quickly but it sounds like the reports of Kim freeing herself are probably inaccurate. There is always tons of speculation and press making shit up when these sort of things happens so who knows.

I wonder who will score the inevitable interview?

This sounds downright frightening. As bad as it all sounds no one should have to deal with the fear of thinking you might get raped.

[GaT]

4 hours ago, carolinagirl81 said:

It also said that they used zip ties as handcuffs then put duck tape over that. I doubt Kim would've seen them but there are lot's of youtube video's showing how to get out of that excat scenario. How to place your arms so that you're able to free yourself. 

 

I just can't imagine Kim watching YouTube videos to see how to escape kidnapping.

5 hours ago, biakbiak said:

TMZ is reporting that a friend Simone was sleeping in another room, and locked herself in the room when she heard the commotion and called the bodyguard and Kourtney.  The bodyguard must have been close by if he was there so quickly but it sounds like the reports of Kim freeing herself are probably inaccurate. There is always tons of speculation and press making shit up when these sort of things happens so who knows.

I certainly don't think anyone deserves to be terrorized & robbed, but click on the above link & scroll down to the 2nd picture. There's Kim in a picture she posted with her giant diamond ring & gold grille. If I heard about some guy who walked down an empty street at night, wearing an expensive suit & counting the cash in his wallet & he got robbed, I might feel bad for him, but I would also think "are you a moron?". This is what happens when you post pictures of all your expensive goodies, this is what happens when you continuously let everyone know how rich you are, you set yourself up to be robbed. And when everyone knows you have no talent & are only famous for being famous & you post things like “Sorry I’m late to the party guys I was busy cashing my 80 million video game check & transferring 53 million into our joint account,” on your IG account, you're going to get a lot of people who rejoice in your misery.

Edited October 4, 2016 by GaT
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[Bronzedog]

I'm not really buying any of this, but, I don't understand how Kanye found out in the middle of a performance.  He's in the middle of a song, He's some how notified, immediately understands the severity of the situation and immediately cancels the show?  No. Not buying any of it.

[Cocoa Puff]

25 minutes ago, GaT said:

I just can't imagine Kim watching YouTube videos to see how to escape kidnapping.

I certainly don't think anyone deserves to be terrorized & robbed, but click on the above link & scroll down to the 2nd picture. There's Kim in a picture she posted with her giant diamond ring & gold grille. If I heard about some guy who walked down a empty street at night, wearing an expensive suit & counting the cash in his wallet & he got robbed, I might feel bad for him, but I would also think "are you a moron?". This is what happens when you post pictures of all your expensive goodies, this is what happens when you continuously let everyone know how rich you are, you set yourself to be robbed. And when everyone knows you have no talent & are only famous for being famous & you post things like “Sorry I’m late to the party guys I was busy cashing my 80 million video game check & transferring 53 million into our joint account,” on your IG account, you're going to get a lot of people who rejoice in your misery.

It happens to non famous people too, folks sharing their business online and get robbed. 

[iwasish]

I had to laugh at the overkill in security in Teterboro NJ airport. 15 Escalades?

And FYI Kanye:

If they wanted to kill Kim or rape her, they would have already. And the jewelry is already stolen, so why draw even more attention to yourselves? Just collect your insurance and go live in your 20 million dollar house. Give us a rest. 

[The Ascension]

Alongside the fleet leaving LAX, I also love how Kim's escalade fleet ran several red lights to get to the airport when she was fleeing Paris. Do we have to keep inflating her ego? Is she the first person this has ever happened to? #bravekimmy Also, I totally admit that this is splitting hairs - but tied up, gagged, handcuffed AND locked in a room? I mean, I watch a lot of crime shows but that seems excessive.

This was all anyone could talk about at work today, and no one believed her 100% and everyone hated how much attention this was getting. What an existence. I can't get over this...when you claim to have been held up at gunpoint and your life threatened, and the majority of the world doesn't believe you. Says so much, Kimmy. I also would like to know how Kanye found out. Did someone run up on stage mid-song? Did he just so happen to be mid costume change when the call came in? Do the Kardashians want me to continue thinking Kim and Kanye are #goals because he is now by her side?

Edited October 4, 2016 by The Ascension

[DangerousMinds]

13 hours ago, mwell345 said:

It says alot about the public perception of this family that many people (including myself) think it MAY have been staged.   Likely the jewelry was insured and Kanye has been very public about his need for money.  Would he have left his concert for a staged robbery?  I think so - he lives for drama. 

Where was her security?  It was 2am in Paris.  Is the apartment not secured?  How did they "break in"? One would think she has security right outside her door, especially since she was harassed recently in Paris.  They tied her up and locked her in a bathroom.  How did she get out? 

Most importantly, where were the E! cameras?

And of course she had just finished a face time call with Rob, in case anyone is wondering whether they are getting along or not.

It might be real, but I don't know. 

I don't believe this for a second. Staged.

[iwasish]

3 minutes ago, The Ascension said:

Alongside the fleet leaving LAX, I also love how Kim's escalade fleet ran several red lights to get to the airport when she was fleeing Paris. Do we have to keep inflating her ego? Is she the first person this has ever happened to? #bravekimmy Also, I totally admit that this is splitting hairs - but tied up, gagged, handcuffed AND locked in a room? I mean, I watch a lot of crime shows but that seems excessive.

This was all anyone could talk about at work today, and no one believed her 100% and everyone hated how much attention this was getting. What an existence. I can't get over this...when you claim to have been held up at gunpoint and your life threatened, and the majority of the world doesn't believe you. Says so much, Kimmy. I also would like to know how Kanye found out. Did someone run up on stage mid-song? Did he just so happen to be mid costume change when the call came in? Do the Kardashians want me to continue thinking Kim and Kanye are #goals because he is now by her side?

Where did he go but home? She flew home alone and he met her at the airport. Not that he should have flown to Paris but that was the assumption I guess when he cut his concert short.

[DangerousMinds]

9 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I'm glad Kim isn't harmed, but I'm not crying a river of tears for her either. Sometimes bad things happen to shitty people. 

Truth.

[howmanywords]

Im almost positive one of the articles said Kanye's assistant got the phone call and he's the one who pulled him aside on stage. And yeah he was in the middle of a song.

[biakbiak]

52 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I'm not really buying any of this, but, I don't understand how Kanye found out in the middle of a performance.  He's in the middle of a song, He's some how notified, immediately understands the severity of the situation and immediately cancels the show?  No. Not buying any of it.

Kim called his assistant and s/he immediately told him. "Kim was held at gunpoint," conveys the severity of the situation in five words. 

[Bronzedog]

Still not buying it in four words.

Edited October 4, 2016 by Bronzedog