The Crown In The Media

[MadyGirl1987]

Full season 3 trailer!

[Umbelina]

[Scarlett45]

These trailers look amazing. I’m excited for Helena Boham Carter as Princess Margaret. 

[phoenics]

That trailer was EPIC.

I'm so excited for this season.  SO excited.

I was skeptical about the casting for Prince Charles until I heard him speak in the trailer.  I'm convinced now.

[pootlus]

So happy to see the trailer drop finally!

I assume that all the funeral stuff is 

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Uncle Dickie/Lord Mountbatten - would explain why Charles looks so devastated.

[Popples]

37 minutes ago, pootlus said:

So happy to see the trailer drop finally!

I assume that all the funeral stuff is 

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Uncle Dickie/Lord Mountbatten - would explain why Charles looks so devastated.

I had the same thought and I'm going to be bummed because I love that actor, but I knew it was coming.

[CountryGirl]

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I read somewhere that Uncle Dickie's death will be S4. I think the funeral is Churchill's (in '65). And they'll likely show the Duke of Windsor's funeral from '72.

ETA: Yup, confirmed this shot from the trailer is for Churchill. Which makes sense that he would have the Union Jack vs the British Royal Standard (that DoW would have had at his funeral).

Shot from the trailer:

Real life image:

Also, this is admittedly kind of catty, but the actress playing Camilla is far too pretty.

The trailer looks so amazing. I have really missed this show.

Edited October 22, 2019 by CountryGirl

[kathe5133]

18 hours ago, pootlus said:

So happy to see the trailer drop finally!

I assume that all the funeral stuff is 

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Uncle Dickie/Lord Mountbatten - would explain why Charles looks so devastated.

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I had to look it up, but the series is supposed to cover up until 1977.  Mountbatten was killed in 1979.  But, the Duke of Windsor died in 1972, so maybe that's who they are burying?

Edited October 22, 2019 by saoirse
Spoiler tag added per spoiler policy

[AZChristian]

16 hours ago, Popples said:

I had the same thought and I'm going to be bummed because I love that actor, but I knew it was coming.

I wanted him to play Philip in Seasons 5 and 6.

[ProudMary]

Regarding the funeral scene in the trailer:

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My assumption was that it was Churchill's funeral--although the Duke of Windsor was a good guess too--as I thought it was a bit too early for Mountbatten's. Also Charles Dance is in the scene so I thought I'd check iMDB to see who he's playing on screen. He's playing Mountbatten, so he can't very well be attending his own funeral!

[LordOfLotion]

I can't find where the discussion was on the Robert Lacey companion book was last season, so I'm hoping this is the right place. The second book is coming out soon and it covers seasons 2 & 3 so i thought I'd post.

There is a UK version and a US version. I have both of them for the first season. The US version is a regular 6x9 inch hardcover book. It's terrible, don't get it. The formatting is all cramped, a lot of the photos are in black and white when they should be in color, and it's a smaller book.

You want the UK version. It's slightly larger, it's in more of a coffee table book format, the print is larger, more of the photos are in color and are placed where they should be, and it's just more of a Robert Lacey book.

If you're in the US, AmazonUK will ship it from the UK, or if you wait a few weeks generally books like this will show up on US Amazon under a private seller. Not sure about other outlets.

[Popples]

4 hours ago, AZChristian said:

I wanted him to play Philip in Seasons 5 and 6.

YES! He would have been terrific and guaranteed decent screen time.

[toolazy]

23 hours ago, Popples said:

I had the same thought and I'm going to be bummed because I love that actor, but I knew it was coming.

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I'm virtually certain that the funeral is the Duke of Windsor's.  The woman who tells Charles to watch out for his family is Wallis Simpson. 

Edit: I stand corrected. I guess the funeral is Churchill's? But maybe also there's one for David?  Because that's almost certainly Wallis Simpson, based on what she says about love being the most important thing and that he needs to be careful around his family.  Paraphrased, of course. 

Edited October 23, 2019 by toolazy

[pootlus]

I tip my hat to the funeral detectives.  Nice work!

On 10/22/2019 at 11:28 AM, phoenics said:

I was skeptical about the casting for Prince Charles until I heard him speak in the trailer.  I'm convinced now.

Same.  I think he's going to be really impressive.

[andromeda331]

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I assumed it was Churchill's but it could be Duke of Windsor. The woman says that it makes more sense of it being Duke of Windsor. 

[kathe5133]

I went back and watched the trailer again.

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 The British flag is draped over the coffin.  If it was the Duke of Windsor, wouldn’t the flag be the royal standard?  So it might be Churchill.  

Edited October 23, 2019 by Athena
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[CountryGirl]

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The funeral clip featured in the trailer isn't a member of the British Royal Family as the casket is draped with the Union Jack, not the British Royal Standard. Given the timeframe covered in S3, the DoW's funeral has to be covered at some point as does Churchill's, but the Duke's funeral is not the one depicted in the clip as here's a quick video of the DoW's funeral and the BRS can clearly be seen covering his casket.

Edited October 23, 2019 by CountryGirl

[Pallas]

My guess would be the funeral of

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Churchill (1965) to launch the theme of the rise of the post-war generation. And then Wallis's warning to Charles on any of the three or four occasions they met: most likely, the Duke's funeral in 1972. Charles was seeing Camilla by then. 

Edited October 23, 2019 by saoirse
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[Athena]

Speculation and future history for the show is considered spoilers. Please tag accordingly. Thank you.

[Quilt Fairy]

On 10/21/2019 at 10:14 AM, MadyGirl1987 said:

Full season 3 trailer!

I LOVED this YouTube comment on the trailer:

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Movie franchises: Oh no we have to recast this actor

The Crown: Hold my beer

Edited October 26, 2019 by Quilt Fairy

[merylinkid]

On 10/22/2019 at 3:48 PM, ProudMary said:

Deleted because I couldn't get the spoiler tags to work.   But it was witty trust me.

Edited October 26, 2019 by merylinkid

[phoenics]

Who here has watched the trailer an unhealthy amount of times?

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Just me?  Ok.

*goes to sit in a corner by herself*

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Behind the scenes of S3:

[PRgal]

On 11/6/2019 at 5:40 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Behind the scenes of S3:

I'm STILL LOL-ing at the "old bat" line.   

[Quilt Fairy]

Interview with showrunner Peter Morgan in the NYT Magazine (includes things that are going to be covered in S3 and S4 but no real spoilers): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/magazine/the-crown-peter-morgan.html?action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article&region=Footer&contentCollection=The New York Times Magazine

[Quilt Fairy]

Just saw this in an ETonline article about the new cast and it was news to me: 

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Derek Jacobi as the Duke of Windsor and Geraldine Chaplin as his wife, the Duchess of Windsor. 

[Umbelina]

What season 3 The Crown got right and wrong:

https://mashable.com/article/the-crown-season-3-fact-check/

[Umbelina]

A rave review from VULTURE

Jen Chaney seems to love all of season 3.  

(Oh dear, it's seems I may be out of step with reviewers again.)

COSMO

Seems to think, as I do, that this was setting up for the blockbusters to come with the  younger set of royals.

COLLIDER

gives it 5 stars as well...

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Helena Bonham Carter discusses The Crown S3/Princess Margaret on Colbert. She said that her uncle knew Margaret and that she met her.

[PeterPirate]

Here's the rest of the interview.  HBC talks about various people she has worked with, including Olivia Colman.

Edited November 26, 2019 by PeterPirate

[Umbelina]

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The season makes for a less sexy, more studied viewing experience. The first half of the season, which focuses on political skirmishes in the late ‘60s, is especially slow going. The transition between casts is hampered further by some of The Crown’s most boring episodes, all of which lean too far into sentiment. (A little alarmingly, the season uses a devastating mining disaster in Wales to construct an episode that hinges on whether or not the queen cries.)

Exactly the point I made in the episode thread!

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It feels as if we are waiting for Colman to become Elizabeth somehow, to give the speech or wield the look that will reveal her in her true, divine, queenly form. But in a bit of delayed gratification that is both maddening and brilliant, it never quite happens. Colman’s Elizabeth is a little disappointing, because the queen is a little disappointing. Foy dazzled; Colman trembles. Her performance is characterized by repressed, powerful resentment against her role—a quivering frustration held just beneath the surface, somewhere beneath that helmet of sculpted hair. It seems to stop her voice and still her empathy. 

Again, exactly.

More here:  Vanity Fair

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Tobias Menzies discusses the show on Seth Meyers:

Edited December 3, 2019 by ElectricBoogaloo

[ProudMary]

I wasn't aware that there were companion books to the series. Holiday gifts!

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/566686/the-crown-the-official-companion-volume-2-by-robert-lacey/?ref=PRHEE9C1776C5&aid=42136&linkid=PRHEE9C1776C5&pdivflag=1

[benteen]

I didn't know Lacey did a second volume of The Crown.  It will probably be excellent.  Years ago, he wrote a book on mobster Meyer Lanksy wich was excellent.

[andromeda331]

On 12/3/2019 at 2:11 PM, ProudMary said:

I wasn't aware that there were companion books to the series. Holiday gifts!

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/566686/the-crown-the-official-companion-volume-2-by-robert-lacey/?ref=PRHEE9C1776C5&aid=42136&linkid=PRHEE9C1776C5&pdivflag=1

On 12/4/2019 at 9:22 AM, benteen said:

I didn't know Lacey did a second volume of The Crown.  It will probably be excellent.  Years ago, he wrote a book on mobster Meyer Lanksy wich was excellent.

I just checked Amazon for it and the reviews are not good for the second volume. There's only four and they each mention there's not a lot of photographs and information compared to the first volume.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Golden Globe nominations!

Best Television Series – Drama
Tobias Menzies: Best Performance by an Actor in a Television Series – Drama
Olivia Colman: Best Performance by an Actress in a Television Series – Drama
Helena Bonham Carter: Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role in a Series, Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television

Edited December 9, 2019 by ElectricBoogaloo

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Critics' Choice Award nominations!

Best Drama Series

Best Actor in a Drama Series – Tobias Menzies

Best Actress in a Drama Series – Olivia Colman

Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series – Helena Bonham Carter

 

Screen Actors Guild Award nominations:

Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Drama Series - Helena Bonham Carter

Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Drama Series - Olivia Colman

Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series

[Umbelina]

13 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Critics' Choice Award nominations!

Best Drama Series

Best Actor in a Drama Series – Tobias Menzies

Best Actress in a Drama Series – Olivia Colman

Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series – Helena Bonham Carter

11 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Screen Actors Guild Award nominations:

Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Drama Series - Helena Bonham Carter

Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Drama Series - Olivia Colman

Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series

Wow at all of those noms.  Well, they gave them all "awards bait" episodes so it's not surprising that the big names were nominated.  I am shocked that season three got a "best drama" nomination though.  

Pity that the actor playing Charles isn't a big enough name to be nominated, because he did stellar work, and IMO, was the best actor of the bunch this season.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Golden Globe Award!

Best performance by an actress in a television series — Drama

Olivia Colman, "The Crown"

 

Olivia Colman's acceptance speech:

 

[PeterPirate]

On 1/5/2020 at 6:45 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

 

"I feel like I've won somebody else's award".  Great line.  

(Somehow, this thread disappeared. )

Edited January 7, 2020 by PeterPirate

[Umbelina]

8 minutes ago, PeterPirate said:

"I feel like I've won somebody else's award".  Great line.  

(Somehow, this thread disappeared. )

and very true.

I love her, but there is no way I think she should have won this, her performance was wooden and without nuance throughout.  

[PeterPirate]

Olivia Colman's backstage interview.  

 

 

[Umbelina]

She's so adorable and so talented.  I hope she gets better scripts next season.  She looks 10 years younger when she's allowed to smile.  

It makes me think that the direction was stiff or deliberate about making the Queen a total cold hearted bitch this season.  Giving her an earpiece to avoid any emotion?  Wow.

Apparently she hasn't really watched the show if she wants to ask the Queen what she would really have preferred to do (being a countrywoman, raising race horses and dogs.)

[ElectricBoogaloo]

SAG Award win!

Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series

[MadyGirl1987]

Imelda Staunton will play the Queen in the 5th and final season of The Crown.

[Blakeston]

2 hours ago, MadyGirl1987 said:

Imelda Staunton will play the Queen in the 5th and final season of The Crown.

I'm distraught that we're only getting five seasons. We were always told there would be six!

Peter Morgan is saying that cutting it to five seasons was his idea, but I'm not sure I buy that. I think Netflix decided that it was just too expensive to do another three seasons.

[dubbel zout]

18 minutes ago, Blakeston said:

I think Netflix decided that it was just too expensive to do another three seasons.

When the show was first announced, I saw numbers like $100 million being thrown around. That's a bit under $20 million a season (assuming six seasons; of course it's $20 million for five), which is a LOT. 

It might also be a logistics issue, i.e., getting all the cast at the right time. This series has a ton of moving pieces. 

At any rate, I think ending with Charles and Diana is probably a safe place to end, given that Peter Morgan doesn't want to get too contemporary because then it's "journalism."

[Blakeston]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

When the show was first announced, I saw numbers like $100 million being thrown around. That's a bit under $20 million a season (assuming six seasons; of course it's $20 million for five), which is a LOT. 

It was reported that it cost $130 million just for the first season!

Peter Morgan stepped in and clarified that the figure "was closer to what Netflix paid for two seasons." If it was anywhere near $130 million just for two seasons, that's an ungodly amount of money.

Netflix is throwing around a ton of cash in order to garner respectability. But if The Crown isn't pulling in ratings like expected, I could totally see them chopping off a season.

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

When the show was first announced, I saw numbers like $100 million being thrown around. That's a bit under $20 million a season (assuming six seasons; of course it's $20 million for five), which is a LOT. 

It might also be a logistics issue, i.e., getting all the cast at the right time. This series has a ton of moving pieces. 

At any rate, I think ending with Charles and Diana is probably a safe place to end, given that Peter Morgan doesn't want to get too contemporary because then it's "journalism."

The article I read said that they were going to take it into the early 2000s. 

[Athena]

1 hour ago, Blakeston said:

Netflix is throwing around a ton of cash in order to garner respectability. But if The Crown isn't pulling in ratings like expected, I could totally see them chopping off a season.

It's important to note that the Netflix which commissioned this series and the Netflix of today are quite different. Netflix use to commission a lot of shows and threw its money around. In the last couple of years, it's started to cancel a lot of original content which was sometimes not that expensive to make but didn't do well. It is also getting more competition from other streaming services and losing rights to popular shows it use to have (e.g. Friends). It's become more risk adverse with its money. I'm not that surprised they are cutting back on this show, but at least we are getting a planned last season.