S05.E18: Confessions Of A Housewife

[beaker73]

It's working for her!  Fans are on her side!  So I doubt it will ever stop now.

 

Oh, and Kim is well aware of what kind of sister Kyle is, and has been.  She doesn't need Brandi to tell her shit.

Eh.  Kyle has cried since S1.  People aren't on her side because of that.  They're on her side this season because of her asshole sister and her asshole sister's asshole friend.

[SFoster21]

And Kyle has earned the hundred times Kim tells her that she's been hurt by Kyle. Neither one of them deserve any more sympathy than the other. Had Kyle not turned her position into some earned badge of "now I can bitch you out, be nasty and meanspirited and show complete disgust and embarrassment that we are even related at the drop of a hat" then maybe I could be more sympathetic but as nasty as we've seen Kim I've also noticed that when she arrives somewhere she's rather positive and polite and not confrontation. It isn't until she's reacting to something or someone that the claws come out. Kyle with her random body language and demeanor that sets a tone and creates tension. Uggghhhh. It's like she wants to initiate something all the time and if she's that miserable and angry that she can't be in her sisters presence without disgust written all over her face then it's time stop the fakeity "I'll always be there for my sister" jargon and accept their relationship for what it really is. She just wants to keep up appearances and that shit bothers the crap out of me!

It's the Rashomonness of it all that keeps me tuned.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Lisin
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[Satchels of gold]

Well Kathy hasn't commented because she's not on the show.

[QuinnM]

 

Eh.  Kyle has cried since S1.  People aren't on her side because of that.  They're on her side this season because of her asshole sister and her asshole sister's asshole friend.

 

This!  i was all they are both bitches for 4 seasons.  I know the toll that addiction plays on a family and trying to separate behavior is always a chicken or egg coming first.  I just was over both of their behavior.  Kim was obviously using.  Kyle was obviously pissed at her sister and playing the martyr.

 

Well fast forward to this season and I'm amazed at the change in my thinking.  I know I'm not the only one that suddenly saw Kim for the nasty person she is.  It is not about the addiction.  Kim is an entitled, don't you know who I am, straight out bitch.  She is thrilled to the point of breathlessness at hurting Kyle.  I am simply amazed at how duped I was for 4 seasons because this is who Kim is.

[njbchlover]

Remember Kim has said that she had an equity loan out on the house.  If she misses payments the house can go into foreclosure.  I bet anything she didn't make payments and Kathy/Kyle were making them.  But Kyle can't answer that or Kim will look bad.  

 

And that was probably why Kim deflected yet again, when Kyle said, on camera, that Kim was not in a position to carry a mortgage at the time.  Kim yelled at her "Talk about your own stuff" or whatever it was....the same way she yelled at Lisa R during the wineglass dinner about "Let's talk about your husband and what goes on in your house" (paraphrasing here).  

 

I think that Kim uses deflection as a defense mechanism.  When someone gets seriously close to outing something from her past (or present) that she doesn't want out there, she panics and tries to turn the conversation around by saying something outrageous about the other person.

 

 

I really don't want to see Kim again next season, but, the bad girl in me would love it, if she and Brandi wind up on the outs, because I think they know both know a lot about each other, and it would be interesting in a very bad and nasty way to see them throwing that stuff back and forth.  

Edited March 20, 2015 by njbchlover

[WireWrap]

That too. Plenty of possible theories that can lean toward either side. Absolutely.

Does anyone know what happened to her, Kim's, own house? I do find it puzzling that she no longer has it and am curious about what happened.

[QuinnM]

 

Does anyone know what happened to her, Kim's, own house? I do find it puzzling that she no longer has it and am curious about what happened.

 

Because my brackets are already busted I'll bet on this.  I bet Kim was too drunk to pay the mortgage.  Yeah I know I'm going to hell.

[parisprincess]

At the last dinner in Amsterdam, I was quite amused by the ladies' sex talk.  When I get together with girlfriends over wine, we discuss many topics including some pretty raunchy stuff, but its a group discussion and only one of many things we talk about.  I can't compare that to being a guest in someone's home with a famous songwriter and a singer, where music is being discussed and some nutcase, out of the blue, makes a remark about finger banging.  All Brandi did, once again, was show her ass to people she had never even met before.  She just doesn't care how trashy she comes across.     

[breezy424]

Kyle's blog is up. 

[Bronzedog]

Apropos of nothing, and, because I haven't seen it mentioned lately, Menopause.

[beaker73]

They all swear, and they all talk about sex.  The only time they act like horrified "ladies" about it is when someone they dislike does it.  For them?  All is fair and funny and enjoyable.

Well, yes, they do--but, the difference is that Brandi talks like that all the damn time.  There's not a conversation that we see where she's not swearing or talking about something sexual.  It's got to be exhausting to be around--not to mention boring. 

 

Kim actually has mentioned before on other seasons that she is closer to Kathy and her husband (Nicky?). As early as season 2 I got the idea that Kim and Kathy have always manged to maintain a less stressful relationship, but Kim spent more time with Kyle and Mauricio by virtue of living closer and their kids growing up together. Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with Mauricio. I don't think things have always been smooth sailing between him and the Richards family. I dont think Kim likes him that much and prefers Kathy's husband.

As much as Kyle's voice varies between annoying screeching cat and really annoying screeching cat for me, I do kind of think I understand some of what is behind Kyle and Mauricio:The Grapes of Wrath Years. I am sure Mauricio was a successful up and commer when he and Kyle hooked up (I'm sorry, I just don't see her as having the backbone to ever really chuck it all for love), but I think he was an upper middle class guy who had to work for a living. That's a far cry from the trust funders the Richards women usually dated. I think in context, marrying Mauricio probably felt like a big act of rebellion to Kyle and her mother and sisters. All of this to say, I think it's not outside the realm of possibility that when they first married Kim treated Mo like the help and still feels he is beneath her. Now Kathy's husband...he's a Hilton!

I do believe that she is closer to Kathy and that Kim and Kyle really don't actually get along very well.

Interesting family dynamic, to say the least.

Interesting for sure.  I also think that Kim may feel closer to Kathy because I'm willing to bet that Kathy doesn't get her hands dirty like Kyle does.  Kyle is probably the one who always has to clean up Kim's messes and Kim resents the hell out her for that.  Kathy's the "good" sister because she probably never criticizes, or lectures, or addresses her sobriety or lack thereof. 

 

 I remember his mother saying - way back in an earlier season -  that his birth name was actually Mauricio.  IIRC, Kim was kind of mocking him when she called him "Maurice", kind of sneering at him as though she thought it was an insult.

 

I'm not sure how much any of this matters.  My ex was (and still is) called by a shortened version of his name by family & friends who knew him way back when.  But his actual name is the more formal version of it, and people he met later on in life know him by that name.  It's not fake or a sudden affectation - One is the name he was given at birth, and the other is a more casual variation.  There's nothing sinister about it, and I think this kind of thing is actually pretty common.

I did the same thing as your ex.  Up until age 18 I was known by a shortened version of my name and once I went to college I went by my full name.  There was nothing pretentious or uppity about my doing it.  I guess I don't get what the big whoopity-do is.

[quinn]

I was thinking that earlier. Tampon Tammy will doctor shop to keep the flow going as long as possible. When that ends she'll probably start dye staining tampons red to leave around hosts bathrooms to "prove" she's still on the rag at 70. Stupid cow.

 

I don't even know why Brandi feels the need to brag so much about how she still gets "the flow" since getting "the flow" has not stopped her from looking older than many women who have gone through menopause.

Edited March 20, 2015 by quinn

[Bronzedog]

I think Kim sincerely hates Kyle. I don't buy the "I love you so much" crap. I think she resents everything Kyle has, wishes she had what Kyle has, and, hates Kyle for it. She is, after all, the big sister, even if she never acts like it.

[zoeysmom]

And Kyle has earned the hundred times Kim tells her that she's been hurt by Kyle. Neither one of them deserve any more sympathy than the other. Had Kyle not turned her position into some earned badge of "now I can bitch you out, be nasty and meanspirited and show complete disgust and embarrassment that we are even related at the drop of a hat" then maybe I could be more sympathetic but as nasty as we've seen Kim I've also noticed that when she arrives somewhere she's rather positive and polite and not confrontation. It isn't until she's reacting to something or someone that the claws come out. Kyle with her random body language and demeanor that sets a tone and creates tension. Uggghhhh. It's like she wants to initiate something all the time and if she's that miserable and angry that she can't be in her sisters presence without disgust written all over her face then it's time stop the fakeity "I'll always be there for my sister"  jargon and accept their relationship for what it really is. She just wants to keep up appearances and that shit bothers the crap out of me!

I think the whole purpose for the sisters to get together in La Quinta was to work on their issues and for those viewers that don't give a rip about the sisters' battles a little house porn.  Kim was in a snit when she arrived because it took five hours.  There were no claws.  As to the tenor of the Kim's conversation, Kim expects a certain calm when her behavior is anything but.  For a very long time I have said, "Kim hates Kyle."  I know this is not how the sisters want it to be but they just have very different value systems.   I appreciate Kim saying she doesn't want Kyle to treat her the same and she treated drinking, irresponsible Kim (I presume that is what three years ago means), but I was lost in what exactly Kim wants Kyle to change about how she treat her.  If it is the "where's Kim?", dialogue when Kim is late, fine.  If that is the case  when someone asks Kyle where Kim is, Kim had better not get her nose out of joint when Kyle tells them not to worry or does not answer.  Kim is a terrible communicator.  She only reacts to something and usually it is angrily.  So as a viewer if I can't pick up on how Kim wants to be treated Kim is shooting herself in the foot.  If all of this Kyle/Kim nonsense is over Brandi then it is a sad state of affairs between the Richards sisters.

 

What I have gathered is Kim wants to be able to pull Kyle's pony tail and insult her and yuck it up with her girl crush Brandi and expects Kyle to take it and in fact support Kim no matter how egregious the behavior.  Kyle wants to do what she has done for a very long time and hang out with her herd of girlfriends, her husband and her children.  Because Kim behaves the way she does (Kim basically doesn't like anyone) and demands to be the focal point of Kyle's attention, there really isn't time in Kyle's life for this situation.  Kim hates Mauricio and apparently now Alexia (not at this point in filming)  so why would Kim want to spend time with them?  I think this also goes a long ways towards why they ended up in La Quinta.  Neither is comfortable in the other's home.  Kim is basically holing up in the Bates Motel and Kyle has Mauricio and the distraction that comes with a spouse and friendly dogs. 

 

I do think both Kyle and Kathy have been there for Kim.  There are some people that  it is never enough or the right kind of support.  I am thinking after the Reunion airs, Kim will not be getting a glowing endorsement or support from Kathy Hilton over Kim's behavior towards Kyle.  I only hope Kim and Kyle didn't get into to it at Adrienne's event because Nikki Hilton was doing a book signing there and Nikki's position will reign supreme over either of the Richards' sisters.

 

To me it is not about posturing it is about this ridiculous standard bred into the Richards sisters about putting their best face forward in spite of filmed repeated behavior to the contrary.  Kim can't ask the world to just buy off her sobriety or whine about her alcoholism being exposed when it was all on film.  Just as Kyle can't keep crying every time there is conflict and gesticulate in the other party's face.  The sisters need to understand the cameras don't lie.

[BlackMamba]

I think Mauricio was way to many syllables for drunk Kim and Maurice was as close as she was gonna get..........

 

Right!  Her brain is toast so close enough!

 

 

I really don't want to see Kim again next season, but, the bad girl in me would love it, if she and Brandi wind up on the outs, because I think they know both know a lot about each other, and it would be interesting in a very bad and nasty way to see them throwing that stuff back and forth.

 

Ding ding!  This would be the only reason why I would cosign for another season with these two dopes!  So one would turn on each other.  I prefer it be Brandi turn on Kim just so Kyle can have her "told you so moment."

Edited March 20, 2015 by BlackMamba

[Satchels of gold]

Don't you wish you could have been a fly on the wall when Kim saw these episodes play out? I don't think we will get an honest answer at the reunion but I wonder what she REALLY thought. No matter how anyone spins it Brandi thre Kim under the bus. Even the remark about Her feeling like she is the older sister was meant to convey that Kim was not an equal in the relationship.

[zoeysmom]

Remember Kim has said that she had an equity loan out on the house.  If she misses payments the house can go into foreclosure.  I bet anything she didn't make payments and Kathy/Kyle were making them.  But Kyle can't answer that or Kim will look bad.  

I think what Kim was saying is she received a $20,000.00 disbursement from the estate and would be paying it back from the equity in the home.  Just for clarification usually when property is part of an estate be it probate or trust, all the bills arising from the various properties of the estate are paid out of the estate.  Big Kathy died in February of 2002 and the house was purchased by Mauricio and Kyle in 2004.  So for two years the property taxes, mortgage, insurance and upkeep would be paid for by either a trust Big Kathy set up or the estate.  There must have been an executor or trustee of the estate that paid the bills and made the disbursements.  I am guessing it wasn't Kim.  Kim may have borrowed $20,000.00 from Kyle or Kathy but repayment of that five years later does not revert the ownership to 2002 status.  I doubt any executor or trustee would allow Kim to cloud the title over a $20,000.00.  Kim pretty much gave herself away when she started to say Kathy got. . . I am guessing the rest of the sentence was more and Kim stopped because she did not want to reveal herself as taking early disbursements.

 

ETA -I agree with Kyle very bad business decision for she and Mauricio to buy the others out so Bug Kathy's wishes the home not be sold for 10 years be honored.

Edited March 20, 2015 by zoeysmom

[racked]

 There must have been an executor or trustee of the estate that paid the bills and made the disbursements.  I am guessing it wasn't Kim.  

 

In Kyle's blog she says she was the executrix of the estate. She also says her mother made her promise to not sell the house for ten years. 

[BlackMamba]

Kyle's Blog

 

 

After my conversation with Lisa R., where she told me Brandi had concerns about Kim, I was frustrated that Brandi was discussing these things with Lisa R., while at the same time telling Kim that Lisa R. was going around talking about her. Why did she fail to mention to Kim that SHE also took part in this “talk” and was expressing the same concerns for Kim? Brandi was also going on and on about Eileen and Lisa R. talking about Kim. Didn’t Brandi also sit on the beach with her friend Jennifer and talk about Kim? And what about her conversation with Lisa R. saying “Isn’t everyone worried about Kim?” Brandi was clearly playing both sides and Kim had no idea.

 

Ok the jig is up!  Which one of y'all is Kyle or Kyle's ghostwriter around here because I said thing in first look thread.  LOL!

Edited March 20, 2015 by BlackMamba

[zoeysmom]

At the last dinner in Amsterdam, I was quite amused by the ladies' sex talk.  When I get together with girlfriends over wine, we discuss many topics including some pretty raunchy stuff, but its a group discussion and only one of many things we talk about.  I can't compare that to being a guest in someone's home with a famous songwriter and a singer, where music is being discussed and some nutcase, out of the blue, makes a remark about finger banging.  All Brandi did, once again, was show her ass to people she had never even met before.  She just doesn't care how trashy she comes across.     

To me the difference between Amsterdam sex talk is it was about nameless, faceless strangers in far off locales (and most of the raunchy talk was in Talking Heads).  When Brandi gets raunchy it is , "fingerbanging your wife,"  "I walk in and it is Eddie having sex with another woman," "beautiful cock" and we see the person and find out he is a schoolmate of Max's.  Brandi makes the visual very personal-not nameless faceless strangers.  It may be a small difference but that is what made the Amsterdam talk more palatable. 

[breezy424]

I think what Kim was saying is she received a $20,000.00 disbursement from the estate and would be paying it back from the equity in the home.  Just for clarification usually when property is part of an estate be it probate or trust, all the bills arising from the various properties of the estate are paid out of the estate.  Big Kathy died in February of 2002 and the house was purchased by Mauricio and Kyle in 2004.  So for two years the property taxes, mortgage, insurance and upkeep would be paid for by either a trust Big Kathy set up or the estate.  There must have been an executor or trustee of the estate that paid the bills and made the disbursements.  I am guessing it wasn't Kim.  Kim may have borrowed $20,000.00 from Kyle or Kathy but repayment of that five years later does not revert the ownership to 2002 status.  I doubt any executor or trustee would allow Kim to cloud the title over a $20,000.00.  Kim pretty much gave herself away when she started to say Kathy got. . . I am guessing the rest of the sentence was more and Kim stopped because she did not want to reveal herself as taking early disbursements.

Kyle was the executor of their mother's estate.  The house was part of the Richards' Trust.  Unfortunately, Palm Springs County does not let you look at the records for free.  There's a charge for each document.  Otherwise, we would have a lot more insight into this whole thing.

 

I don't believe for a moment that Kim got screwed in this.  I'm sure Mauricio and Rick discussed a fair price for the house.  The company or estate lawyer drew up the papers.  I'm sure Rick or his lawyer looked at the documents and I'm sure Kim got paid the same as Kathy....less any funds that Kim may have borrowed.  Kim's brain is too fried to realize this.  She's also too stubborn to admit she is wrong.  Kim is never wrong.

[ryebread]

It isn't until she's reacting to something or someone that the claws come out. Kyle with her random body language and demeanor that sets a tone and creates tension. Uggghhhh.

I don't pay close attention to Kim's scenes anymore to know if that's always true, but that's the way I saw it in PS the other night.  She was calm and then Kyle was the one who leaned in and started the aggression.  But the only thing that will be memorable is Kim's rabid, "You're LYING.  You're LYING." 

 

Had the camera panned to Kyle after that, we might have seen a look of smug satisfaction.  The same one Kim gets sometimes after aggravating Kyle.  Paris Hilton was well known for doing that after eviscerating someone.   Like the wonky eye, it's genetic.

[birdmom]

I can't get the quote feature to work on my kindle, but about Kim's eye, I wonder if it's the botox. I see a lot of actresses now with crooked eyes -- usually one squinting and the other not. I noticed it on Sofia Vergara when she was being interviewed once. Also, did you know that autocorrect turns "kindle" into "hotrod"? Yeah, that makes sense.

[BlackMamba]

That Kyle's blog was sure damning to Kim's ridiculous bs. I already believed she wasnt some house thief this only told filled in my confusion in some areas and confirmed it.

I see why Kyle was made executive of the estate. Kathy didn't want that house. Kim was in no position to have that kind of responsibility (financial and personal).

If Kim has any beef with anyone it should had been Big Kathy. Yet I understood Big Kathy's logic. I wouldn't make Kim an executive to my estate. That house wouldn't had gotten to 10 yrs if Kim was the executive.

Edited March 20, 2015 by BlackMamba

[ryebread]

I can't get the quote feature to work on my kindle, but about Kim's eye, I wonder if it's the botox. I see a lot of actresses now with crooked eyes -- usually one squinting and the other not. I noticed it on Sofia Vergara when she was being interviewed once. Also, did you know that autocorrect turns "kindle" into "hotrod"? Yeah, that makes sense.

Could be botox or genetics and aging  Paris' has gotten worse.  As children both had very hooded eyes so maybe those type of lids droop easier and faster and more unevenly?

[FozzyBear]

Interesting for sure. I also think that Kim may feel closer to Kathy because I'm willing to bet that Kathy doesn't get her hands dirty like Kyle does. Kyle is probably the one who always has to clean up Kim's messes and Kim resents the hell out her for that. Kathy's the "good" sister because she probably never criticizes, or lectures, or addresses her sobriety or lack thereof.

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I think that's probably true...but I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm not saying I think Kathy is a great person or a fantastic sister (I get a very self-centered vibe from her), but she doesn't want to be Kim's clean-up crew so she isn't. It's very possible Kathy has said her piece a few times (Kim's been in rehab more than once so I would guess the whole crew has been to many Family Days) and is at that "I will support you if/when you ask, but I'm not a sober babysitter and I'm not going to micro-manage your behavior, nor will I take any responsibility for it one way or the other). It's possible. And it shows that Kyle doesn't "have" to save Kim. For a variety of very understandable reasons she chooses to have this role in the family, but it is her choice. She doesn't have to do this with Kim. It's not actually her only option or what all sisters do.

That Kyle's blog was sure damning to Kim's ridiculous bs. I already believed she wasnt some house thief this only told filled in my confusion in some areas and confirmed it.

I see why Kyle was made executive of the estate. Kathy didn't want that house. Kim was in no position to have that kind of responsibility (financial and personal).

If Kim has any beef with anyone it should had been Big Kathy. Yet I understood Big Kathy's logic. I wouldn't make Kim an executive to my estate. That house wouldn't had gotten to 10 yrs if Kim was the executive.

It could just be that Kyle was the youngest. It's sort of standard practice when all the kids are adults to make the youngest the executor because they have the least statistical chance of dying. Morbid, but true. Could also be the Big Kathy knew Kyle would be the easiest to manipulate from beyond the grave.

[Bronzedog]

The thing about cheating Kim when they sold the God Damn house is that the less money Kim has, the more of a leech she's going to become. Why would Kyle withhold money when she knows Kim will end up on her doorstep when she needs something? I would think that Kyle would gladly give Kim money from the sale just to have a reprieve from Kim for awhile.

[TattleTeeny]

Kim is definitely the Queen of Deflection - she is so good at it, I would assume she has years and years of practice.  Whenever something makes her uncomfortable or puts her on the spot, she so quickly and masterfully throws it back at the other person.

 

I agree! And while I guess I think it often proves why she's a jerk, I also find it strangely almost admirable--is that terrible? Something is sort of impressive about it, even if she's likely full of shit when she does it. Makes me think that were she to have gotten through life without substance abuse issues, she'd be a force to be reckoned with (in the good way).

 

There is a time and place for that kind of talk. There have been times Brandi has opened her mouth and said something that was definitely not the time and definitely not the place. And, there have been times Brandi and the group talked openly about sex and sex-related matters which seemed appropriate. Brandi reminds me of a child (she is one after all in mental years) who just throws out things.

 

I think a lot of this hinges of how well you know someone too. Like, I'll have insane conversations with certain friends but not an acquaintance. And even if that acquaintance said the very same funny-gross thing a good friend said, I might think that person was being overly familiar with me too soon, and thus a bit creepy. And then, there are even some good friends who I know are not up for certain topics no matter how long we've known each other.

Edited March 20, 2015 by TattleTeeny

[GreatKazu]

My thoughts are that Kathy and Rick partied a lot with Kim. I think they were wild back in the day. The picture below - which is everything - is of Rick James partying at the Hilton Pad, and Kim was there as well. Rick James said once that he did cocaine with the Hilton's at their house. I think a lot of their bond is about the fact that they just hung out together a lot more. 

 

I also think that it is possible that Mauricio just wasn't as thrilled or as tolerant of Kim in general. Many folks have mentioned the fact that Kyle is very close to Mauricio's family - his mother in particular - and that this has probably been a good influence on her.  He probably didn't grow up with such a fucked up dynamic and made it clear that he wasn't big on some of the behavior. 

 

http://ravepad.com/page/kim-richards/images/view/294637/Rick-Hilton-Kim-Richards-Rick-James-and-Kathy-Hilton

Yes, Rick James did apparently party at the Hilton mansion and said Paris is a "freak" like her mama, Kathy:

 

Here’s what Rick James told me, back in Spring of 2004, when Paris’ reality show “The Simple Life” was on the air:

    “Paris is a freak just like her momma. Kathy’s like any other bitch. All these bitches wanted a piece of Rick James.”  “Rick James partied with Paris’ mother, sniffing cocaine and getting drunk at the Hilton’s home.”

Read more at http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/rick-james-me-and-mrs-hilton/#Y61AoZbZ6BMC3RW6.99

 

 

 

It could also be that Kyle can't go into details without outing her sister, Kim, once again. One has to ask, how did Kim loose her own PS/PD house after her mother died? Did loosing that house cause/force Kyle/Mauricio to buy out Kim to save their mothers house? There will always be speculation about Kyle's motives because of Kim's accusation season 1 but in light of Kim's drug/alcohol addiction history, it is more than just  reasonable to believe that maybe Kim's behavior put their moms house in jeopardy and K/M interceded.

That is exactly the feeling I was getting from that scene. Kyle would have to mention Kim's addiction in order to remind her of why things turned out the way they did. With Kim mentioning most of the season that she didn't want her "past" mentioned again, Kyle is forced to remain quiet about the subject. It is taboo. It will set Kim off. Of course, I don't need Kyle to mention it, frankly. It is a no-brainer that families tend to pick up the slack when dealing with an addict.

 

It is just mind-boggling to think of how much money went down Kim's throat. To this day, that woman does not own a home!!

Edited March 20, 2015 by GreatKazu

[Found A Peanut]

As much as Kyle's voice varies between annoying screeching cat and really annoying screeching cat for me, I do kind of think I understand some of what is behind Kyle and Mauricio:The Grapes of Wrath Years. I am sure Mauricio was a successful up and commer when he and Kyle hooked up (I'm sorry, I just don't see her as having the backbone to ever really chuck it all for love), but I think he was an upper middle class guy who had to work for a living. That's a far cry from the trust funders the Richards women usually dated. I think in context, marrying Mauricio probably felt like a big act of rebellion to Kyle and her mother and sisters. All of this to say, I think it's not outside the realm of possibility that when they first married Kim treated Mo like the help and still feels he is beneath her. Now Kathy's husband...he's a Hilton!

I do believe that she is closer to Kathy and that Kim and Kyle really don't actually get along very well.

Interesting family dynamic, to say the least.

Completely agree. I've thought for ages that Kim is pissed off that she followed Big Kathy's Rules For Life (marry young, marry rich, be a bitch!) and ended up with crumbs, and then Kyle married the nobody and got it all. And from Kathy Hilton's perspective, Mauricio was just a guy working for her husband. Even Mauricio, in an interview I read, said his first big, over a million sale was the house of Kyle's first husband. Kyle and Mauricio really built everything they have together.

I vaguely remember a few years back when people were commenting on Kim being disrespectful to Mauricio with the "Maurice" thing, and Kyle came out and deflected by saying it was no big deal, her mom and Kim both always called him "Maurice". I was like, shyeah, I'll bet they did.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Found A Peanut

[Rahul]

Don't you wish you could have been a fly on the wall when Kim saw these episodes play out? I don't think we will get an honest answer at the reunion but I wonder what she REALLY thought. 

 

What makes you think she's not heavily medicated when and if she watches? ;)

 

It is just mind-boggling to think of how much money went down Kim's throat. To this day, that woman does not own a home!!

 

I think far more money went up Kim's nose, into her lungs and possibly right into her veins than down her throat. Her behavior is to bizarre for alcohol to be her main vice.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Rahul

[GreatKazu]

 

I think far more money went up Kim's nose and into her lungs than down her throat. Her behavior is to bizarre for alcohol to be her main vice.

Oh, no doubt.

 

 

I think a lot of this hinges of how well you know someone too. Like, I'll have insane conversations with certain friends but not an acquaintance. And even if that acquaintance said the very same funny-gross thing a good friend said, I might think that person was being overly familiar with me too soon, and thus a bit creepy. And then, there are even some good friends who I know are not up for certain topics no matter how long we've known each other.

Yes, I agree. Some people make you feel so comfortable and you know what you can say to them. Others, you tend to feel restricted with certain subjects. Brandi doesn't know that distinction. She speaks to everyone in the same manner without realizing not everyone is Jennifer G. or Kim Richards, two people who will sit there and listen to all she has to say.

[LotusFlower]

I think Kim sincerely hates Kyle. I don't buy the "I love you so much" crap. I think she resents everything Kyle has, wishes she had what Kyle has, and, hates Kyle for it. She is, after all, the big sister, even if she never acts like it.

Watching her tour the Palm Springs mansion, and say in her TH something like "good for Kyle, enjoy it, God Bless..." was painful. Her jealousy was palpable. I totally agree that she resents Kyle for everything that she has.

[Found A Peanut]

Oh, no doubt.

 

Yes, I agree. Some people make you feel so comfortable and you know what you can say to them. Others, you tend to feel restricted with certain subjects. Brandi doesn't know that distinction. She speaks to everyone in the same manner without realizing not everyone is Jennifer G. or Kim Richards, two people who will sit there and listen to all she has to say.

Joking about an engagement ring being too small falls into that "too familiar" category. Sure, tease a friend if you're close and know it won't hurt feelings. Yuk it up at the hen party. Buy her a lollipop ring with the size rock she really deserves. Somebody you only happened to have been seated next to at a dinner party? What the hell are you thinking?

[GreatKazu]

Joking about an engagement ring being too small falls into that "too familiar" category. Sure, tease a friend if you're close and know it won't hurt feelings. Yuk it up at the hen party. Buy her a lollipop ring with the size rock she really deserves. Somebody you only happened to have been seated next to at a dinner party? What the hell are you thinking?

Brandi never thinks. Ever. I wish I could ask Babyface himself what was going through his mind when Brandi said those things to him and about him. Is there anything out there where anyone has asked Babyface about his appearance on this show?

[Found A Peanut]

Brandi never thinks. Ever. I wish I could ask Babyface himself what was going through his mind when Brandi said those things to him and about him. Is there anything out there where anyone has asked Babyface about his appearance on this show?

I wonder if he'd just keep his thoughts to himself if only for the Foster's sakes.

Seriously. She basically called Babyface cheap to his face. Which can be funny ha ha between friends, but a stranger? Forget walking, you are bodysurfing into a minefield.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Found A Peanut

[rho]

The thing about cheating Kim when they sold the God Damn house is that the less money Kim has, the more of a leech she's going to become. Why would Kyle withhold money when she knows Kim will end up on her doorstep when she needs something? I would think that Kyle would gladly give Kim money from the sale just to have a reprieve from Kim for awhile.

I agree, Kyle gains nothing from screwing Kim over financially if it means she's going to up her monthly allowance later. I think Kyle puts up with Kim 1) out of guilt and 2) because their daughters are genuinely good friends. Back when Kim was looking for a new rental, Kyle mentioned she wanted her moving closer to Bel Air (Kyle & Kathy) not further. I suspect Kyle was helping out with the rent, maybe even cosigning, and thus would chip in if it meant Kim got a smaller place, but moved closer to the family. She certainly had a lot of opinions about what Kim was looking for.

[CaughtOnTape]

Brandi never thinks. Ever. I wish I could ask Babyface himself what was going through his mind when Brandi said those things to him and about him. Is there anything out there where anyone has asked Babyface about his appearance on this show?

 

Babyface is a class act.  Even if he did have an issue, he would never say it.  I don't think I've ever heard him slam someone in the press, even Bobby Brown who had it coming.  He'd deflect and compliment Yolanda and David.  

[Satchels of gold]

I agree! And while I guess I think it often proves why she's a jerk, I also find it strangely almost admirable--is that terrible? Something is sort of impressive about it, even if she's likely full of shit when she does it. Makes me think that were she to have gotten through life without substance abuse issues, she'd be a force to be reckoned with (in the good way).

 

I think a lot of this hinges of how well you know someone too. Like, I'll have insane conversations with certain friends but not an acquaintance. And even if that acquaintance said the very same funny-gross thing a good friend said, I might think that person was being overly familiar with me too soon, and thus a bit creepy. And then, there are even some good friends who I know are not up for certain topics no matter how long we've known each other.

Yep I'm THAT friend, as far as im concerned nothing exsist below the waist. If I were forced to spend time with Brandi my head would explode.

I'm loving the fact that Kyle and Maurico built their fortune together. I'm sure there were a lot of lean years.

[Sincerely Yours]

I don't pay close attention to Kim's scenes anymore to know if that's always true, but that's the way I saw it in PS the other night.  She was calm and then Kyle was the one who leaned in and started the aggression.  But the only thing that will be memorable is Kim's rabid, "You're LYING.  You're LYING." 

 

Had the camera panned to Kyle after that, we might have seen a look of smug satisfaction.  The same one Kim gets sometimes after aggravating Kyle.  Paris Hilton was well known for doing that after eviscerating someone.   Like the wonky eye, it's genetic.

I do because I'm always watching to see what it is that Kim does that truly justifies the way she's addressed time and time again. I mean even if she is being fake and putting on a smile for appearances and trying to be civil why isn't she allowed? Because the others don't like it? The others want something? Well then get in touch with her and ask for it Point Blank. No muttering under the breath, no bitchy body language, no sob story fade in, no minimizing equal parts in the matter. Spit it out, express your point and move on if it turns into talking in circles. I mean really. Kim may have her nasty bouts but I have seen her begin a conversation rather controlled. It's when she's expressed her desire for it to dissipate and it's continually disregarded that she starts to amp up or when someone else brings outs the aggression. I really could care less at this point what she does or doesn't have to hide I'm just sick of the desire these ladies including Kyle have to dig so very deep with Kim and then let loose with their own wrath when they hit and unleash the demons that are obviously buried there. And seeing Kyle do it over and over again just confuses me.  

I think that's probably true...but I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm not saying I think Kathy is a great person or a fantastic sister (I get a very self-centered vibe from her), but she doesn't want to be Kim's clean-up crew so she isn't. It's very possible Kathy has said her piece a few times (Kim's been in rehab more than once so I would guess the whole crew has been to many Family Days) and is at that "I will support you if/when you ask, but I'm not a sober babysitter and I'm not going to micro-manage your behavior, nor will I take any responsibility for it one way or the other). It's possible. And it shows that Kyle doesn't "have" to save Kim. For a variety of very understandable reasons she chooses to have this role in the family, but it is her choice. She doesn't have to do this with Kim. It's not actually her only option or what all sisters do.

 

Standing Ovation!!!!!

[MatildaMoody]

I don't pay close attention to Kim's scenes anymore to know if that's always true, but that's the way I saw it in PS the other night.  She was calm and then Kyle was the one who leaned in and started the aggression.  But the only thing that will be memorable is Kim's rabid, "You're LYING.  You're LYING." 

 

Had the camera panned to Kyle after that, we might have seen a look of smug satisfaction.  The same one Kim gets sometimes after aggravating Kyle.  Paris Hilton was well known for doing that after eviscerating someone.   Like the wonky eye, it's genetic.

Interesting, I thought Kim came in to PS loaded for bear. The way she automatically assumed that when Kyle said "we love the desert" meant Kyle and Mauricio and not Kyle and Kim. The way she kept complaining about it being 5 hours. She came in agitated and aggressive and seemed to be waiting for a moment to tell Kyle what an awful sister she was. 

 

And the whole "you're lying thing" came after Kim made the house accusations - again a deflection from talking about Brandi's backstabbing, but again over the top aggressive in comparison to Kyle explaining that she and Katy were bought out for the same amount. So maybe after Kim exploded with the "you're lying" "talk about your own problems" Kyle did have a smug look on her face, but by that point, I am not sure I would have blamed her. 

[WireWrap]

I do because I'm always watching to see what it is that Kim does that truly justifies the way she's addressed time and time again. I mean even if she is being fake and putting on a smile for appearances and trying to be civil why isn't she allowed? Because the others don't like it? The others want something? Well then get in touch with her and ask for it Point Blank. No muttering under the breath, no bitchy body language, no sob story fade in, no minimizing equal parts in the matter. Spit it out, express your point and move on if it turns into talking in circles. I mean really. Kim may have her nasty bouts but I have seen her begin a conversation rather controlled. It's when she's expressed her desire for it to dissipate and it's continually disregarded that she starts to amp up or when someone else brings outs the aggression. I really could care less at this point what she does or doesn't have to hide I'm just sick of the desire these ladies including Kyle have to dig so very deep with Kim and then let loose with their own wrath when they hit and unleash the demons that are obviously buried there. And seeing Kyle do it over and over again just confuses me.  

 

I don't think Kyle can come right out and say a lot of things regarding Kim without revealing Kim's addictions and the price they have all paid because of it. The one time she revealed stuff about Kim, the limo season1, she paid a high price in that the family didn't speak to her, so now she has to muzzle herself no matter what or face worse. Kyle is caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to Kim, say/reveal too much...face the consequences from her family as well as the viewers, say nothing and face the wrath of the viewers and heaven forbid she cry either way....face ridicule from Kim and the viewers!

[zoeysmom]

Yep I'm THAT friend, as far as im concerned nothing exsist below the waist. If I were forced to spend time with Brandi my head would explode.

I'm loving the fact that Kyle and Maurico built their fortune together. I'm sure there were a lot of lean years.

Speaking of exploding heads-this is a story on Kyle's blog  http://stoopidhousewives.com/2015/03/20/its-hagfacekyles-bravoblog-hfkyle-give-her-side-of-the-stolen-house-story/  the first video link is why I could never, ever have a conversation with Kim Richards. 

 

I will say I have sold property and wished five years later I could buy back in. The only difference is five years after the sale the property was probably worth 30% less than what Kim was paid for the house.   There just isn't anyplace for it under the law that is why sales of real estate are final.  The bowed blouse Kim expressing how she cannot believe Kyle and Mauricio did not want her as a partner is in the second video.  Gee as a partner she would not only have to buy in but pay half the bills.  And this would have been at time when her Davis children had attained majority and no child support was coming in.  So what exactly would Kim be using for money for a second home?

[GreatKazu]

 

Speaking of exploding heads-this is a story on Kyle's blog  the first video link is why I could never, ever have a conversation with Kim Richards.

I will take my comment to the Kim R. thread. See you there.

[njbchlover]

That Kyle's blog was sure damning to Kim's ridiculous bs. I already believed she wasnt some house thief this only told filled in my confusion in some areas and confirmed it.

I see why Kyle was made executive of the estate. Kathy didn't want that house. Kim was in no position to have that kind of responsibility (financial and personal).

If Kim has any beef with anyone it should had been Big Kathy. Yet I understood Big Kathy's logic. I wouldn't make Kim an executive to my estate. That house wouldn't had gotten to 10 yrs if Kim was the executive.

 

And, this fact could also be another underlying reason for Kim's resentment of Kyle.  Kim cared for her mother during the last month's of Big Kathy's life, so I'm sure she was very angry and bitter that her "baby" sister was put in control of Big Kathy's estate.  

 

You are 100% percent right - any anger that Kim feels should be directed at their mother, but it won't be.  It has been mis-directed to Kyle.

[MatildaMoody]

And, this fact could also be another underlying reason for Kim's resentment of Kyle.  Kim cared for her mother during the last month's of Big Kathy's life, so I'm sure she was very angry and bitter that her "baby" sister was put in control of Big Kathy's estate.  

 

You are 100% percent right - any anger that Kim feels should be directed at their mother, but it won't be.  It has been mis-directed to Kyle.

 

But, i wonder if she cared for her in the same way she is currently "caring for" Monty. Meaning, that Big Kathy came and lived with Kim, but I suspect there was a professional caregiver around to help out. I mean Kim did have youngish children in her home at that time and we know that she was in the midst of dealing with addiction at that time as well. So, while it is admirable that they came to live with Kim, I can't really credit her too much with being solely responsible for either Big Kathy or Monty's care. Especially since if the speculation is true, Monty mainly used Kim's place as a halfway house between cancer treatments. 

[Lastwaltz]

Speaking of exploding heads-this is a story on Kyle's blog  http://stoopidhousewives.com/2015/03/20/its-hagfacekyles-bravoblog-hfkyle-give-her-side-of-the-stolen-house-story/  the first video link is why I could never, ever have a conversation with Kim Richards. 

 

A small point, but in that stooooopid post, they imply Kyle made money by being an executor of the mother's estate as well. I was my parents' executrix and didn't pay myself out of that money. It's a choice the executor can make. 

[WireWrap]

And, this fact could also be another underlying reason for Kim's resentment of Kyle.  Kim cared for her mother during the last month's of Big Kathy's life, so I'm sure she was very angry and bitter that her "baby" sister was put in control of Big Kathy's estate.  

 

You are 100% percent right - any anger that Kim feels should be directed at their mother, but it won't be.  It has been mis-directed to Kyle.

About Kim "caring" for her mother, Ken Richard moved into Kim's home for a few days not long before his death and had to leave. Kim was an active drug user then and she and her kids would play on the bed as this man was in extreme pain and close to death, he died not long before Big Kathy got sick. I very much doubt that Kim actually took care of her mom, I have no doubt that Hospice had nurses doing all the work/care required.

[AnnaL]

I think that may be part of it. Most likely it was a combination of things that would have been fine if Mo had been capital R rich. I can easily see that Big Kathy heard that Kyle was dating a Mexican Jew who is a real estate agent making mid six figures and got a case of the vapors and then proceeded to pull her patented "pretend he's not in the room" trick both Kim and Kyle have talked about. Kim and Kathy may have followed her lead and more or less treated Mo like a temporary arraignment while Kyle went through a slumming it phase.

 

I am not sure if it is racial but there is definitely something to it, just can't put my finger to it.

 

Mauricio was not rich when he met and married Kyle, he was middle class, a graduated arquitect but in terms of money he was not a Hilton or a Davis. I bet Big Kathy threw a fit when she found out Kyle was messing with him but there was nothing she could do when they got married.  Kathy and Kim (as awful as they are- my opinion of Kathy is that she is an improved version of her mother) were up on their high horses, rejoicing in their husbands' millions and they loved to hang around around poor Kyle because she was the poor sister, the one who you always goaround just when you want to feel better about your own life.

 

Kyle , whether you like her or not, has always been family oriented, it is not a coincidence that all the cousins are so close and IMO that has a lot to do with Kyle, Nikki and Paris are close to Kyle and her daughters, Kim's children are alos very close to Kyle and during the first season it was evident that they asked Kyle for a lot of input in their decisions and that drove Kim crazy, you do not build that kind of relatiosnhip from day to night, it takes years. Kyle was just confortable to be the poor aunt, the kids revolve around her and that was important for her, while Kathy was jet setting and Kim was in the depths of her addictions, aunt Kyle was always there.

as Mauricio started building his clientele and a great reputation in real state and things started changing, Kathy and Kim united as in "who does he think he is" - it is sad but I do know a lot of people like that, they are elitists and if you don't come from family money then you are a nobody.

 

Kathy and Kim were confortable when the Humanskies knew their place, Maucio was an employee and the poor BIL, when that changed they didn't know how to handled it. I am sure that Mauricio waited for many years to strike a partnership with Hilton and it just never happened , one day he got tired of waiting, quit and open his own agency. Kathy was probably mad but no big deal. When it became a huge deal was when Mauricio became a great success and surpass the Hilton in revenue for sales, the Hiltons were not about to take that kindly and there are rumors that there was a fallout between Kathy and Kyle because of this. Something that could have been easily avoided if Mauricio got the partnership he wanted being that he was their most succesful realtor.

 

It has to be hard for Kim, at one point she was on top of the world, beautiful, ex-child actor, married to billionaire Davis, spending money like there was no tomorrow, then fast forward and now she is broke to the point she can't afford a mortgage for a house and has to rent, it has to hurt, probably even more when she compares her situation with that of her sister who married a nobody and now is rolling in the dough. Of course Kim will never understand how she put in this position herself , it is easier to lash out at Kyle and try to blame her for everything.

 

Are Kathy and Kim racist? I don't think so. I do think that they are elitist.

 

Are they 100% happy about Kyle's change of fortune? IMO absolutely NOT

Edited March 20, 2015 by AnnaL

[WireWrap]

A small point, but in that stooooopid post, they imply Kyle made money by being an executor of the mother's estate as well. I was my parents' executrix and didn't pay myself out of that money. It's a choice the executor can make. 

My sister is the executor of my parents will and she is too receive a % of the overall estate, in addition to the 4 way split, according to their will.  I have no problems with that as she will have a lot of work to do when the time comes.