Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[Zella]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

5 pictures:

8 pictures:

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That first pic makes me think they're all lined up for a fundie version of the bunny hop. 😂

Edited October 12, 2019 by Zella

[sondraK]

The Bunny Hop would be considered dancing.LOL

[GeeGolly]

Are they all wearing shirts with the college logo? That would be a tad expensive. 

[Portia]

The technical college had an OPEN house? Cool.

[Broken Ox]

5 minutes ago, Portia said:

The technical college had an OPEN house? Cool.

Yeah, that was neat. SO neat.

[doodlebug]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Are they all wearing shirts with the college logo? That would be a tad expensive. 

I don't think so.  Tim is wearing a sweatshirt from the Sissonville (WVA) Indians which, I presume is the high school he would've attended had he gone to an actual school.  I guess, like the Duggars, they don't attend heathen schools, but are fine with wearing sportswear advertising their love for the teams that play at them.

And what in the bluedilly fu** is Nurie wearing?  It looks like she's got 3 different shirts on, at least two of them made out of sheer curtains.  There are plenty of simple, single shirts out there that cover all the stuff they want covered, there is absolutely no reason to wear the crap they do except to call attention to themselves and their not-so-modest modesty.  I work at a job, like most of us do, where I need to appear modest and professional and I don't do plunging necklines or even bare arms (AC is too good and my upper arms are not) at work.  However, I have never resorted to the sort of ridiculous clothing layers that these people wear.  

When Jilly starts to warble, I am sometimes reminded of Edith Bunker back on All in the Family:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZngGIw5ONWE

Those were the days all right!

Edited October 12, 2019 by doodlebug

[Barb23]

That pictures of them playing school  sitting at the desks makes me feel so sad. 

[Madtown]

I hate that they are in my beloved Wisconsin...

[annakate]

For the love of Pete is all I can say! I hope the "photographers" who took the "updated" family pictures don't depend on photographer to pay the grocery bills! Good on Jill that she is SO excited her son is getting SO much knowledge SO he can support them when the grifting dries up.

[BradandJanet]

I'd be mortified if I was responsible for a hoard like this showing up dressed in bright red (to stand out as much as possible), sort of matching shirts to my college for an OPEN house. I'm sure if there was any food out for visitors, the Rodriguii cleaned it out immediately. 

[doodlebug]

9 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

I'd be mortified if I was responsible for a hoard like this showing up dressed in bright red (to stand out as much as possible), sort of matching shirts to my college for an OPEN house. I'm sure if there was any food out for visitors, the Rodriguii cleaned it out immediately. 

Jill has demonstrated time and time again that she has absolutely no shame.  They probably descended on the snack table like a swarm of locusts.  No doubt, once the food was gone, Jill was audibly worrying about where a family their size could go for dinner and how were they ever going to be able to pay for that many meals in hopes that someone would fork over a gift card.

[PradaKitty]

Nice that the parked in one of the hangars! Are they the only guests of the school? 

[farmgal4]

4 hours ago, doodlebug said:

I don't think so.  Tim is wearing a sweatshirt from the Sissonville (WVA) Indians which, I presume is the high school he would've attended had he gone to an actual school.  I guess, like the Duggars, they don't attend heathen schools, but are fine with wearing sportswear advertising their love for the teams that play at them.

And what in the bluedilly fu** is Nurie wearing?  It looks like she's got 3 different shirts on, at least two of them made out of sheer curtains.  There are plenty of simple, single shirts out there that cover all the stuff they want covered, there is absolutely no reason to wear the crap they do except to call attention to themselves and their not-so-modest modesty.  I work at a job, like most of us do, where I need to appear modest and professional and I don't do plunging necklines or even bare arms (AC is too good and my upper arms are not) at work.  However, I have never resorted to the sort of ridiculous clothing layers that these people wear.  

When Jilly starts to warble, I am sometimes reminded of Edith Bunker back on All in the Family:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZngGIw5ONWE

Those were the days all right!

Speaking of Nurie, WTH is up with her speaking voice?  She ALWAYS speaks in this breathy, semi-whispery, high-pitched voice.  I’ve honestly never heard anything like it before, and I’m very curious to know why she does it, because I’m pretty sure that’s not her real speaking voice.

[farmgal4]

1 hour ago, BradandJanet said:

I'd be mortified if I was responsible for a hoard like this showing up dressed in bright red (to stand out as much as possible), sort of matching shirts to my college for an OPEN house. I'm sure if there was any food out for visitors, the Rodriguii cleaned it out immediately. 

I wonder if Timothy felt any embarrassment at all?

[Temperance]

Erin Bates Paine is due December 27th, but she's so used to giving birth a month early, she's calling her baby a "November" baby. 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Temperance said:

Erin Bates Paine is due December 27th, but she's so used to giving birth a month early, she's calling her baby a "November" baby. 

Well that's a sure way to make this baby arrive in January. 

[galaxychaser]

On 10/10/2019 at 6:15 PM, xwordfanatik said:

Good to know.  We see Golden Corral commercials on TV, but none exist in our town.  No one in our household is close to being underweight, so we wouldn't get our money's worth there!

I've never heard the Rod singers, so I'll take your word for it, and avoid it.  That Jill and her makeup is something else, along with her daughters.  If they can't afford food on the regular, why do they buy a buttload of makeup?  Mind-boggling.

So they can attract a nice godly boyfriend? And he will have no clue what she looks like underneath 2 pounds of makeup.

[LilJen]

19 hours ago, Zella said:

That first pic makes me think they're all lined up for a fundie version of the bunny hop. 😂

It is definitely odd. They would fit right into one of those “uncomfortable family photos” web pages.

[awaken]

4 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

I wonder if Timothy felt any embarrassment at all?

Me too. Now that he’s been out and about and seen other people besides his family, he must be starting to notice the difference! 

[BigBingerBro]

11 hours ago, Portia said:

The technical college had an OPEN house? Cool.

I used to live in Oshkosh and I took a few computer programming classes there many years ago.  They operate more like a business than a school.  Lots of advertising, open houses, etc.  They were/are always looking for more students.

[Temperance]

So I was reading the Bates forum on FJ. They had a thread for Katie Bates and her special friend Travis Clark. Travis's grandfather has his own church Solid Rock Baptist Church. At least one of his uncles is a pastor there (and maybe his father? too). His church seems to have their own Christian college. (The college and church share an address and phone number.) It's called Vision Baptist College. 

From their Answers page linked from the Vision Baptist College website:

"13. Are you accredited?

We believe God and the Word of God give us the authority and approval to train Christ’s workers in local church ministry work. We seek no other accreditation."

Travis, himself, wants to be a Christian music star. He's been playing and singing in his family's band. He plays piano, cello, and guitar.  He goes to Vision Baptist College (his family's school). You can find him singing on Youtube. 

[YupItsMe]

Jill thanked Nathan for taking the pictures so I guess he’s still hanging around.

[GeeGolly]

32 minutes ago, YupItsMe said:

Jill thanked Nathan for taking the pictures so I guess he’s still hanging around.

Oh my. Does that mean he's travelling with them in the RV? I could barely make it through a week staying at my MIL's 3 bedroom, 3 bath condo, and I liked her. I can't imagine being in such tight quarters with my future inlaws for any amount of time. I can't imagine being in the JRod RV for more than a minute.

[Churchhoney]

On 10/12/2019 at 6:14 AM, GeeGolly said:

Are they all wearing shirts with the college logo? That would be a tad expensive. 

Hard to tell, since the pictures appear to be completely out of focus.*

*May be symbolic of Nathan's being unable to see what he's actually getting into(???)

Edited October 13, 2019 by Churchhoney

[farmgal4]

14 hours ago, awaken said:

Me too. Now that he’s been out and about and seen other people besides his family, he must be starting to notice the difference! 

Those kids are so brainwashed that I’m not sure.  Jill has them all convinced that the way they live/behave is right, and everyone else is wrong.  I don’t know if any of those children have ever had an independent thought outside of what their idiot mother has planted in their brains.  It infuriates me every time I think about those 13 lives that have been completely destroyed. 😡

[Patti Jean]

I think they are all wearing Sissonville Indian shirts. That’s their local evil public school, that they will never set foot in. I suppose Jill went to the local Walmart or Dollar General to pick them up to represent the home town. 

[galaxychaser]

10 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh my. Does that mean he's travelling with them in the RV? I could barely make it through a week staying at my MIL's 3 bedroom, 3 bath condo, and I liked her. I can't imagine being in such tight quarters with my future inlaws for any amount of time. I can't imagine being in the JRod RV for more than a minute.

That’s an amazing toilet to handle everyone’s waste.

[PradaKitty]

Well, to be fair, those kids don’t really eat much, so the chances of overloading the waste system are lowered. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

On 10/10/2019 at 12:52 AM, Jynnan tonnix said:

I honestly don't have the ambition to listen to this. To my ear, she has always had a reasonably pleasant and reasonably on-pitch voice which she unfortunately stretches the limits of with unfortunate consequences. If these people really want to use their "god given talents"  in self proclaimed ministry, I'd say, first of all listen to yourself with a critical ear, second of all, get actual  educated input from, if not accredited sources, at least trustworthy ones. And third of all go to an actual professional with more than a wannabe act tp their credit who is at least more than peripherally acquainted with what the requirements are for anything like a passable (with no real aspirations to a hit) release. And once you have that info, work toward bettering yourself. Because   no matter how good you might get, there will probably be a thousand acts ahead of you.

Quoting myself because I finally went back and listened to  this, and have to say that in this case she sounded even worse than usual. I do think that at least some of it had to do with the sound balance, because while her voice certainly had moments where the pitch wavered wildly, and she seemed a bit off much of the time, it still might have blended reasonably well had this been recorded from an outside point (maybe outside in the street? LOL) not obviously by Jill herself singing into the mike with the rest of the choir massed somewhere behind her.

It's kind of hard for me to pin down exactly where her voice goes wrong other than her just being too forced and a bit screechy, though. Her pitch is not perfect by any means, but it's not actually that bad in general. Maybe I cut her some slack because her voice reminds me a bit of my own.  I love to sing, but my early influences, and therefore my style, are mostly a mixture of old musicals, 40's crooners, Catholic hymns, and a bit of Opera. I cannot really sing anything contemporary and sound convincing. I would hope that my tone is a bit more pleasant than Jill's; I've been told I have a good voice, but I don't honestly know.

[galaxychaser]

Gibson family dentistry must be provided free service if Jill is posting about them.

[ginger90]

[ginger90]

Video:

[Sew Sumi]

I hope the librarian saw this and kicked her out. 😁

[PradaKitty]

They all look like idiots. 

[whydoiwatch]

Jill deep throating Plexus again. Ok, maybe not as gross as last time, but still.......

[BetyBee]

Nurie seems so bent over.  

[Westiepeach]

1 hour ago, PradaKitty said:

They all look like idiots. 

Well, because...

[sixlets]

I know nothing about Andrea & Tom Mills, but one of his recent videos popped up in my recommendations on YouTube.  He explains what happened surrounding Andrea's passing.  My heart breaks for her babies.  

[doodlebug]

1 hour ago, sixlets said:

I know nothing about Andrea & Tom Mills, but one of his recent videos popped up in my recommendations on YouTube.  He explains what happened surrounding Andrea's passing.  My heart breaks for her babies.  

Took one for the team and watched this:  First, a lot of it is Tom rambling and trying to remember fairly insignificant details.  Seems that Andrea was feeling very tired and constipated and had abdominal pain.  She went to the ER where they diagnosed her with high blood pressure which she and Tom dismissed as being 'White Coat Syndrome' and she never took the medication prescribed nor did she follow up anywhere.   She was anemic and was given some iron supplements.  A month then passed, during which, according to Tom, she was virtually bedridden, getting up only to cook meals (because he is apparently incapable).  Finally, after a month with her pain worsening, still constipated and barely able to get out of bed; she allowed him to take her to an Urgent Care where they diagnosed her with gall bladder disease and she was transferred to hospital for surgery.  BTW, he says she had gall bladder attacks every few weeks for more than a year in the past but never had it removed.  The surgeon who removed her gallbladder told them that her liver was 'bumpy'.  He thought it was maybe scarring or cirrhosis but wanted her transferred to a bigger hospital to see a liver specialist.  He spent a significant amount of time rambling about the decision between an ambulance vs air transfer.  He also complained a few times that her voice was hoarse from the anesthesia, implying that this was abnormal.  The kids did get to see her awake and alert before the transfer.

At the next hospital, they did a biopsy and found that she had cancer in her liver.  While they were planning to start figuring out the next step, her water broke, she delivered the fetus which died.  Her placenta didn't deliver immediately and there was concern that a D&C would kill her.  Over the next couple days, she continued in terrible pain and her liver and kidney function deteriorated to the point where she was clearly dying.  The oncologist told them that she had a very fast moving cancer and he felt she had no more than a couple of days. He also told them that biliary duct cancer often does this and that was his first guess.  The full pathology report identifying the primary as most likely from the breast wasn't done yet.  At first, he said Andrea didn't seem to understand, wanted to go home and take herbs or wait a couple days and do an MRI like someone else suggested.  Tom had to tell her that she wasn't likely to live long enough to have the test. Eventually she understood when the doctor came back and explained again.

They insisted on going home but the doctors were concerned that, if she went home, with her liver failure, her blood wouldn't clot properly and she would bleed to death which would be horrible for all of them.  They insisted on going anyway.  Tom made the arrangements, but somehow, despite the fact that she was needing around the clock pain meds, thought that a friend who was a nurse who gave Andrea Rhogam after her births could somehow acquire massive doses of narcotics on a moment's notice without a prescription.  They ended up going to a hospital on the way home where a couple of people tried rather heroically to arrange for a pain med pump for her at home, but it couldn't happen instantaneously (she was in agony having had no meds for hours since leaving the last hospital).  So, she was admitted to a hospice facility right next to the hospital.  A doctor at the ER gave her something for pain and Tom said, pretty much from that moment on, she was not awake.  She died the next morning.  The kids came and were with her.

He also insists that it was the gall bladder removal that spread the cancer and killed her so quickly.  Now, perhaps the major surgery did hasten her death by days or maybe a week or two, but she was terminal before she ever entered the hospital. The fact that it was breast cancer that had already filled her liver and was the cause of the abnormal liver functions that caused them to think it was her gallbladder seems to have escaped him.  As we talked about when we first heard this, Andrea was indeed breastfeeding, right up until she was in the hospital and Tom thinks that this somehow prevented the cancer from spreading, once again ignoring the fact that it had completely filled her liver by the time they went to the hospital. He then tosses in the mention that she had a lot of 'swollen lymph nodes' but doesn't seem to realize that they were probably cancerous.  He again says that inflammatory breast cancer is totally undetectable and has no symptoms and cannot be seen on a mammogram which is, of course, not the case.  He never mentions whether one of her breasts was reddened or swollen or misshapen which often happens in inflammatory cancer and whether she was treating what she thought was a breast infection with herbs.  He doesn't even mention anyone examining her breast looking for a problem which is kinda weird. The cancer that she had is very tough to treat and often fatal, but it might've given her a bit more good time to prepare her kids had she followed up a month earlier.  

Edited October 15, 2019 by doodlebug

[farmgal4]

5 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Took one for the team and watched this:  First, a lot of it is Tom rambling and trying to remember fairly insignificant details.  Seems that Andrea was feeling very tired and constipated and had abdominal pain.  She went to the ER where they diagnosed her with high blood pressure which she and Tom dismissed as being 'White Coat Syndrome' and she never took the medication prescribed nor did she follow up anywhere.   She was anemic and was given some iron supplements.  A month then passed, during which, according to Tom, she was virtually bedridden, getting up only to cook meals (because he is apparently incapable).  Finally, after a month with her pain worsening and still had constipation and was very weak, barely able to get out of bed; she allowed him to take her to an Urgent Care where they diagnosed her with gall bladder disease and she was transferred to hospital for surgery.  BTW, he says she had gall bladder attacks every few weeks for more than a year in the past but never had it removed.  The surgeon who removed her gallbladder told them that her liver was 'bumpy'.  He thought it was maybe scarring or cirrhosis but wanted her transferred to a bigger hospital to see a liver specialist.  He spent a significant amount of time rambling about the decision between an ambulance vs air transfer.  He also complained a few times that her voice was hoarse from the anesthesia, implying that this was abnormal.  The kids did get to see her awake and alert before the transfer.

At the next hospital, they did a biopsy and found that she had cancer in her liver.  While they were planning to start figuring out the next step, her water broke, she delivered the fetus which died.  Her placenta didn't deliver immediately and there was concern that a D&C would kill her.  Over the next couple days, she continued in terrible pain and her liver and kidney function deteriorated to the point where she was clearly dying.  The oncologist told them that she had a very fast moving cancer and he felt she had no more than a couple of days.  At first, he said Andrea didn't seem to understand, wanted to go home and take herbs.  Eventually she understood when the doctor came back and explained again.

They insisted on going home but the doctors were concerned that, if she went home, with her liver failure, her blood wasn't clotting properly and she would bleed to death which would be horrible for all of them.  They insisted on going anyway.  Tom made the arrangements, but somehow, despite the fact that she was needing around the clock pain meds, thought that a friend who was a nurse who gave Andrea Rhogam after her births could somehow acquire massive doses of narcotics on a moment's notice and without any prescriptions.  They ended up going to a hospital on the way home where a couple of people tried rather heroically to arrange for a pain med pump for her at home, but it couldn't happen instantaneously (she was in agony having had no meds for hours since leaving the last hospital).  So, she was admitted to a hospice facility right next to the hospital.  A doctor at the ER gave her something for pain and he said, pretty much from that moment on, she was not awake.  She died the next morning.

He also insists that it was the gall bladder removal that spread the cancer and killed her so quickly.  Now, perhaps the major surgery did hasten her death by days or maybe a week or two, but she was terminal before she ever entered the hospital. The fact that it was breast cancer that had already filled her liver and was the cause of the abnormal liver functions that caused them to think it was her gallbladder seems to have escaped him.  As we talked about when we first heard this, Andrea was indeed breastfeeding, right up until she was in the hospital and Tom thinks that this somehow prevented the cancer from spreading, once again ignoring the fact that it had completely filled her liver by the time they went to the hospital. He then tosses in the mention that she had a lot of 'swollen lymph nodes' but doesn't seem to realize that they were probably cancerous.  He again says that inflammatory breast cancer is totally undetectable and has no symptoms and cannot be seen on a mammogram which is, of course, not the case.  He never mentions whether one of her breasts was reddened or swollen or misshapen which often happens in inflammatory cancer and whether she was treating what she thought was a breast infection with herbs.  The cancer that she had is very tough to treat and often fatal, but it might've given her a bit more good time to prepare her kids had she followed up a month earlier.  

Dear God, that poor, pitiful woman. 😢 Her husband is a fucking moron.

[doodlebug]

5 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Dear God, that poor, pitiful woman. 😢 Her husband is a fucking moron.

If you've seen any of Andrea's videos, she was ringmaster of that circus and she absolutely hated doctors and anything resembling modern traditional medical care.  She was big into 'herbal remedies' that she got from who knows where.  Even in his video, Tom says that, when Andrea told him she wanted to go to the ER, he knew she must really be sick because she NEVER sought medical care.

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

If you've seen any of Andrea's videos, she was ringmaster of that circus and she absolutely hated doctors and anything resembling modern traditional medical care.  She was big into 'herbal remedies' that she got from who knows where.  Even in his video, Tom says that, when Andrea told him she wanted to go to the ER, he knew she must really be sick because she NEVER sought medical care.

Thank you for posting your insight about that case. I remember when it was first announced, you'd mentioned on here that some of what he said didn't add up, but based on what you posted tonight, it really does sound like they were in denial about the seriousness of her illness and that he still is.

(Personally just as a total laywoman, I was surprised to read that she was having what they thought were gallbladder attacks every few weeks and there was no apparent discussion/decision about surgery. I had what was a suspected gallbladder attack a couple of years ago, and even just after the 1 time, I was basically told if it became a recurring event, I'd almost inevitably have surgery.)

The whole thing is so sad but reminds me of a lot of other fundamentalists I know who are very suspicious of doctors and modern medicine. I know a fundie family who is like that, and the mother is currently battling a rather aggressive form of breast cancer. I was very worried that they would dismiss the advice of actual doctors but I have been pleasantly surprised that they seem to be cooperating, and she is thankfully doing well, at least last I heard. 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Zella

[doodlebug]

23 minutes ago, Zella said:

Thank you for posting your insight about that case. I remember when it was first announced, you'd mentioned on here that some of what he said didn't add up, but based on what you posted tonight, it really does sound like they were in denial about the seriousness of her illness and that he still is.

(Personally just as a total laywoman, I was surprised to read that she was having what they thought were gallbladder attacks every few weeks and there was no apparent discussion/decision about surgery. I had what was a suspected gallbladder attack a couple of years ago, and even just after the 1 time, I was basically told if it became a recurring event, I'd almost inevitably have surgery.)

From what Tom said, the gallbladder problem cropped up a few years ago and I presume she must've gone to the ER or someplace and had an ultrasound and was diagnosed because he sounded quite sure that it was gallstones. I can guarantee you that an ER doc would've told her she needed her gallbladder out, especially since she was going to be having a bunch more kids based on her history and pregnancy makes it worse. I would also practically guarantee that the ER referred her to a surgeon who would've told her the same thing, but she undoubtedly decided that she knew best.  They probably didn't have insurance which may also have been a factor. The fact that she spent more than a year having attacks every few weeks and never had the surgery says more about her than I ever could.

Edited October 15, 2019 by doodlebug

[galaxychaser]

Let’s hope none of the kids become diabetic. Since you know herbs don’t cure that. 

It’s sad that she died because of denial and ignorance.

Sounds like dad will not change either. Blame yourselves. 

Deciding to go home instead of staying in the hospital to get terminal care wow.

[doodlebug]

15 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Let’s hope none of the kids become diabetic. Since you know herbs don’t cure that. 

It’s sad that she died because of denial and ignorance.

Sounds like dad will not change either. Blame yourselves. 

Deciding to go home instead of staying in the hospital to get terminal care wow.

In a sense, I understand why they wanted to go home, their kids were not close enough to come to see her in the hospital which was in Denver, while they live in Wyoming, I think.  The other issue is that this all came to a head on the weekend which is why Tom had to arrange the transfer himself.  They were rightfully concerned that Andrea wasn't going to make it to Monday for a formal transfer to happen.  She died early Monday morning, so they were correct.  

Tom, however, wasn't up to the task at hand and had no understanding of what Andrea would need and how to get it.  They have a friend who is a nurse who got and gave Andrea Rhogam after each of the kids were born because Andrea was Rh negative.  Tom somehow thought this woman was going to be able to obtain IV narcotics in less than 24 hours on a Sunday.  I guess he contacted her, told her the situation and she told him she would be happy to help give her medications and he somehow thought she would also provide the meds  From what he said, it seems like they'd already flown home and were literally on the way to the house in the ambulance with Andrea in excruciating pain before he found out that their friend didn't have a stash of pain meds.  They then made the detour to the hospital where he also got angry because someone at the ER tried to arrange for a narcotic pump for them to take home immediately although they'd been told it couldn't happen and that person's supervisor stepped in and put an end to the effort.  I realize the pressure he was under, but his expectation that everyone, everywhere just drop everything and come to their rescue at a moments notice and move mountains was a bit much.  Maybe if they'd had an ongoing relationship with a medical practitioner, someone who knew how to handle things could've been working on that end....

He said that, until all of this went down, he never knew that the nurse paid for all of the Rhogam that Andrea got out of her own pocket and never got reimbursed over the years.  Where or how he thought she was obtaining free prescription meds is beyond me.  I get the feeling he just never asked and figured she could get some free morphine, too.  He was undoubtedly under tremendous stress, he spoke about getting very little sleep, staying in the room with Andrea all week and that he was overwhelmed and running on fumes which is probably why he should've stepped back and let someone else handle it other than Andrea who was undoubtedly directing things up to the last.

Edited October 15, 2019 by doodlebug

[louannems]

58 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

From what Tom said, the gallbladder problem cropped up a few years ago and I presume she must've gone to the ER or someplace and had an ultrasound and was diagnosed because he sounded quite sure that it was gallstones. I can guarantee you that an ER doc would've told her she needed her gallbladder out, especially since she was going to be having a bunch more kids based on her history and pregnancy makes it worse. I would also practically guarantee that the ER referred her to a surgeon who would've told her the same thing, but she undoubtedly decided that she knew best.  They probably didn't have insurance which may also have been a factor. The fact that she spent more than a year having attacks every few weeks and never had the surgery says more about her than I ever could.

They have the christian cost-sharing Scamitarian insurance.

[louannems]

1 hour ago, farmgal4 said:

Dear God, that poor, pitiful woman. 😢 Her husband is a fucking moron.

I've watched most of Andrea's videos and she did love her babies and kids.  She nursed Hanna to sleep at night and even just shortly after her death, Tom claimed that Hanna forgot all about her mother!

Yet his mom, Grandma Kitty, put a short video on her Facebook of Hanna smiling at a pic of her mommy and saying mama, over and over.  Heartbreaking.

And now, on Tom's livestream, he barely pays any attention to little Hanna.  The teenaged sons do all of her care.  Including putting her to bed in her clothes with no bedtime routine like a bath, a clean diaper, and teeth brushed and rocking and a song.

On the latest family dinner livestream, she is screaming so Tom gives the son half of a grilled cheese sandwich and tells him to put Hanna in her crib with the sandwich!!!

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, louannems said:

I've watched most of Andrea's videos and she did love her babies and kids.  She nursed Hanna to sleep at night and even just shortly after her death, Tom claimed that Hanna forgot all about her mother!

Yet his mom, Grandma Kitty, put a short video on her Facebook of Hanna smiling at a pic of her mommy and saying mama, over and over.  Heartbreaking.

And now, on Tom's livestream, he barely pays any attention to little Hanna.  The teenaged sons do all of her care.  Including putting her to bed in her clothes with no bedtime routine like a bath, a clean diaper, and teeth brushed and rocking and a song.

On the latest family dinner livestream, she is screaming so Tom gives the son half of a grilled cheese sandwich and tells him to put Hanna in her crib with the sandwich!!!

Jesus, how old is this poor little kid? 😞 I must confess, I am not familiar with this family. 

[louannems]

5 minutes ago, Zella said:

Jesus, how old is this poor little kid? 😞 I must confess, I am not familiar with this family. 

Hanna would be about 17 months now.  I know she was born in May 2018.

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, louannems said:

Hanna would be about 17 months now.  I know she was born in May 2018.

That poor kid. 😞