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I'm from a fairly big city and raised mostly in town though also the suburbs.  I've had the same experience.  I attend a Catholic church and am active in several volunteer things there including medic

Aja
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Once again, Michelle, I'm going to have to bum you out with a big old steaming pile of fact: I was born a girl, I'm glad to be a girl, I'm very feminine looking, I love being feminine looking...AND I'

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Happens all the time.  Had someone tell us they couldn't pay the bill for prenatal care because they were building a new house and couldn't spare the money.  Another had just bought a new car.  BTW, i

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Churchhoney

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41 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

4. Also, where's the garage? If there isn't one then that's a huge issue, especially for this price point.

The listing says there's a carport and a garage, with three garage spaces. I think the garage is probably under the house and you enter it in the back, under the big apron-patio on top of the fortress walls. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

31 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

The listing says there is a 3500 sq ft heated and cooled garage.  Does that mean one of the A/C units is also cooling the garage?  AFAIK, garage square footage is not included as part of the living space.

Also, who puts carpet in a luxury home?  People want hardwood.  Especially if they are buying a multi-million dollar property.  And don't most luxury homes come with a pool?  Jim Bob really messed this one up.  

The house was built in 1969, and at that point I think carpet was highly popular, wasn't it? After the owners put all that slate and such onto the massive floors in the non-bedroom parts of the house, they probably just put carpet down, is my guess. It was 1969!

And there's no way Jim Bob would spend money putting new hardwood floors into a bunch of bedrooms. It's probably some kind of surplus knock-off carpet he's got in the bedrooms, too....As others have said, no way he did this without cutting as many corners as possible. 

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bythelake

bythelake

54 minutes ago, OpieTaylor said:

Is this a bedroom?

bedroom.jpg

If that’s a bedroom it looks pretty large. Maybe, the bedrooms are designed to accommodate lots of people like the boys and girls dorms in the TTH. They packed 19 children into 2 rooms. 

If they did that, they’d still have a master suite and a guest room,and that would also account for the extra bathrooms.

I still can’t figure out the reason for all the kitchens unless Jill is going to give cooking classes.

Whatever it is, it’s one fugly house.

The good thing is that it’s giving us lots to snark about, and probably will for months to come since I don’t envision a quick sale.

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Oldernowiser

Oldernowiser

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Mr. Wiser owned a real estate company for a long time and some of his clients were...legendarily...snotty.

 I can predict just how that conversation with the realtor went down...

”I would recommend an initial asking price of $895,000.”

”I have $500,000 in it and expect a million in profit. We’re listing it at $1.8.”

”Um, you know this is Arkansas, right? And the market doesn’t care what you have in it. They care that it’s got 14,000 sq ft to cool and heat and only four bedrooms on a small lot.”

”That’s your problem, you’re the realtor. Do your job or I’ll find a realtor who has a penis.

“Oh, and I want massive national and global advertising starting tomorrow.

“And I’m only signing a 90-day listing agreement. That’ll be some incentive for you, sweetcheeks. And since my wife was once a realtor back before her brain liquified I will require a 20% commission referral off the top.”

Minus some of the sexism, my husband has had almost this identical conversation and lots more than once.

That realtor drove away grinding her teeth and headed straight to the liquor store.

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BrianJ1962

BrianJ1962

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

The listing says there's a carport and a garage, with three garage spaces. I think the garage is probably under the house and you enter it in the back, under the big apron-patio on top of the fortress walls. 

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A Duggar esque garage (this is not an actual Duggar garage it's a joke)

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EVS

EVS

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My first thought was Axel Foley in Beverly Hills Cop 2:

There's not supposed
to be any right angles. 

You! You! Stop working!
 Stop working! 

You're destroying the house. 

Wait! No right angles?
It's like a doughnut. 

What are you, a fucking art critic?
Let them live inside a doughnut. 

Some people want to live in a round
house. You got the money? Fuck it. 

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OpieTaylor

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An article about the house on the Today Show website says the Duggars spent $1 million on fixing up the house. JB is probably exaggerating to justify the asking price.

This house explains a comment Jessa made a couple of years ago about her dad being so clever finding real estate bargains to fix up. But They bought it in 2014, according to article, so it’s been 5 years - a slow flip!

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For someone born into real estate Boob has repeatedly broken every basic rule of real estate and home flipping. For example:

1. Location, location, location (umm, TTH across from a garbage dump, mold house backing a major highway, $1.8 mil house in Springdale)

2. Get in and get out fast. A vacant property isn't making any money plus you have carrying costs and the threat of vandalism (Boob has been sitting on this proberty since 2014.)

3. Don't renovate to your tastes. Renovate to market you hope to attract ( 4 kitchens, 9 baths, 4 bedrooms??)

4. Base your upgrades on the competition and area.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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7 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Does JB have to carry any type of insurance on the house in case of fire, natural disaster, vandalism etc. etc. until the house is sold? I wonder how much the insurance and property taxes would be on a place like that.

Taxes, per the listing -- $7,796

I know there's specific insurance for unoccupied houses. Don't know whether there are laws or regulations requiring it or not. I'd expect not, really. Since if something happens to the house, it's your problem. But I actually have no idea.

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bigskygirl

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$7796.00 in taxes. *thud hitting the floor* We got our property tax bill two weeks ago, and I ended up calling the state to make sure it was correct. I had forgotten about the extra school and jail bond levy taxes were thrown in.

How the heck could someone pay that much in one year for taxes.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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11 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

That begs the question: What is the actual assessed value of the place? 

I fiddled with a property-tax calculator for Arkansas, and it would appear that a tax of around $7796 means an assessment of around $1.1 million.....

So....JB's asking $700,000 more than the assessed value. ha. About 64 percent more than the house's assessed value. 

Yeah. That'll fly with buyers. 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

14 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I fiddled with a property-tax calculator for Arkansas, and it would appear that a tax of around $7796 means an assessment of around $1.1 million.....

So....JB's asking $700,000 more than the assessed value. ha. About 64 percent more than the house's assessed value. 

Yeah. That'll fly with buyers. 

 I KNEW someone would come through with reverse calculations! 1.1MM still seems pretty high.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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10 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

 I KNEW someone would come through with reverse calculations! 1.1MM still seems pretty high.

I don't know about you, but my tax assessments are always way higher than any price I could actually get for the house in question! 

I mean, the tax assessors don't care if the place has a weird shape and a silly floor plan. And it seems as if the original builder was envisioning the place withstanding disasters. So it seems likely that it's pretty well built. And it has a very large living area....and that big ugly patio thing back there. Lots of space. Bulit like a brick shithouse. I can see a million for it, if you didn't mind that it's silly looking. 

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bigskygirl

bigskygirl

4 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

See, I like the house. Just if it were 90% smaller. One kitchen is plenty. And on my current lot. And as long as no Duggar touched it. 

Right now my hubby and I are pleased with our house after all the weatherization work done on it. I am also grateful for the men who did the work, and they would put the Duggar men to shame because the men who did the work because they want to help others be happy, healthy, and more comfortable in their own homes (not to be greedy in trying to make the big bucks like *cough JB cough*)

JoanArc

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1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

I can picture Jessa taking over and running the house.

 If I were married to Josh I would want to house like that. You wouldnt have to see him for days. 

 Could Jim Bobby intentionally taking a loss on this property for tax reasons or some other accounting BS?  I wouldn’t put that past him. 

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louannems

louannems

8 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

The good:

1. I actually like the master bedroom and the en suite bath. I like that there are really large windows that open up to nature. I can see a lot of people wanting to wake up to that each morning.

2. Other than that one half bath they showed, I like most of the finishes they used. Generally pretty clean and neutral. 

3. Whoever took the pictures of the home did a nice job.

The bad:

1. That one half bath in the slide show was super busy. It's not bad, but it's not neutral. Some buyers may go for it, while it would not suit the tastes of other buyers and they would want to redo - on top of a $1.8M price point. 

2. I don't really object to there being more bathrooms than bedrooms in a house this size, especially considering that there are 5 full baths and 4 half baths. We're not talking about nine showers here. It's not unusual that very large homes have more baths than bedrooms. Still, I think four bedrooms is way too few for this size home. There should be more like six or seven bedrooms. 

3. My biggest issue is the four kitchens. I can see having two - the main one plus a bar or an in-law kitchen. I don't get the purpose of four. 

4. Also, where's the garage? If there isn't one then that's a huge issue, especially for this price point.

I live in a neighborhood with lots of immigrants.  In fact, I live in the only legislative district in all of King County (Seattle) that is minority majority.

When I'm out walking, I see so many houses with lots of cars parked in the driveway, garage, and out front on the street.  Truly, so many homes appear to be inhabited by multiple families.  I'm guessing extended family.

I could see JB's house with four kitchens being useful for those multiple families that live together.

But, there is still the huge issue of a severe lack of bedrooms!

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louannems

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4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I fiddled with a property-tax calculator for Arkansas, and it would appear that a tax of around $7796 means an assessment of around $1.1 million.....

So....JB's asking $700,000 more than the assessed value. ha. About 64 percent more than the house's assessed value. 

Yeah. That'll fly with buyers. 

Here in King County (Seattle metro), homes are always appraised for quite a bit more than the tax assessment value.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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25 minutes ago, louannems said:

Here in King County (Seattle metro), homes are always appraised for quite a bit more than the tax assessment value.

In Ohio, my house and everybody else's that I knew of was assessed considerably higher than the appraised value. People in my neighborhood there kept appealing but they never won!

Same thing often appears to be true in DC. So it must vary by jurisdiction ... guess there's no reason why it wouldn't!...... I've been living in the wrong places, though! 

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cdp73

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Taxes are based on the assessed value.  In NC, statute requires jurisdictions to revalue once every 8 years at a minimum.  Most do them in 4 year intervals.  At the beginning of the reval period, houses are assessed higher than actual value but by the end of the period, it is below.  It evens out the valuation over the period of time between revals.

Topic, this house should have had at least two kitchens taken out and converted to bedrooms or additional family areas.  You can see the Duggar handiwork throughout.  And...is that supposed to be a water feature in the picture of the staircase (there's a pit in the floor next to the bottom of the stairs)?

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Zella

Zella

2 minutes ago, cdp73 said:

Topic, this house should have had at least two kitchens taken out and converted to bedrooms or additional family areas.

I think that would be one of the most reasonable ways to make it a more desirable residence,

Question for those of you with renovation experience: how much of a pain in the ass is it to turn a kitchen into a different room? I have tons of relatives in construction but am quite innocent of all things about the business. 🙂 

Like, I assume it would be a nightmare? 

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Oldernowiser

Oldernowiser

It would involve a bunch of demo to get stuff out...cabinets, counters, sinks, appliances...although if it’s done reasonably carefully most of it could be sold or donated. A tile backsplash would have to be pulled off or the drywall behind removed with it.

Then you would probably want to strip whatever’s on the floor down to the subfloor for either carpet or hardwood, frame out a closet, cap off water lines and any gas lines, potentially move electrical outlets down, change out lighting and light switch placement, and replace any damaged drywall. Then painting and adding baseboard and any additional trim required. Plus any permits and inspections.

So my guess is that it’s much cheaper than creating a kitchen but a whole lot more expensive than building a bedroom to start with. 

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Zella

Zella

4 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

It would involve a bunch of demo to get stuff out...cabinets, counters, sinks, appliances...although if it’s done reasonably carefully most of it could be sold or donated. A tile backsplash would have to be pulled off or the drywall behind removed with it.

Then you would probably want to strip whatever’s on the floor down to the subfloor for either carpet or hardwood, frame out a closet, cap off water lines and any gas lines, potentially move electrical outlets down, change out lighting and light switch placement, and replace any damaged drywall. Then painting and adding baseboard and any additional trim required. Plus any permits and inspections.

So my guess is that it’s much cheaper than creating a kitchen but a whole lot more expensive than building a bedroom to start with. 

Thanks! I was thinking the plumbing would definitely be a pain to pull out. 

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

6 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

$7796.00 in taxes. *thud hitting the floor* We got our property tax bill two weeks ago, and I ended up calling the state to make sure it was correct. I had forgotten about the extra school and jail bond levy taxes were thrown in.

How the heck could someone pay that much in one year for taxes.

Our taxes in CT are higher than that, and out house is not extravagant by any stretch of the imagination...The taxes are the major part of our monthly mortgage payment. CT taxes are among the highest in the nation in any case, but our town raised taxes the year after we bought the house from a mill rate of 27 to 41!!

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Minivanessa

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I finally clicked a link above and looked at the listing page for the property. Just a minor point: it seems that the house has central air conditioning. The reference to 'two air conditioners' IMO doesn't mean two little window units, although it was fun to read the snarky comments here about that.

Such a large building needs a substantial central air conditioning system. There may be two separate central air systems, each with its own air conditioning unit. Maybe one for the house and one for the garage, or two different zones. But the listing specifies central air conditioning, and I can't imagine that any custom home would have been built in Arkansas after about 1960 without central air.

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Zella

Zella

4 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I finally clicked a link above and looked at the listing page for the property. Just a minor point: it seems that the house has central air conditioning. The reference to 'two air conditioners' IMO doesn't mean two little window units, although it was fun to read the snarky comments here about that.

Such a large building needs a substantial central air conditioning system. There may be two separate central air systems, each with its own air conditioning unit. Maybe one for the house and one for the garage, or two different zones. But the listing specifies central air conditioning, and I can't imagine that any custom home would have been built in Arkansas after about 1960 without central air.

That makes a lot more sense--thank you! 

It's funny about the A/C. My family is originally from North Carolina in the mountains and never used AC back home because it was nowhere near as humid and the summers are pleasant. As soon as they moved to Arkansas, they had no intention of using it out here, either.

And everyone warned them that was a bad idea.

First week of an Arkansas summer, they were scrambling to get the A/C on full blast. 😂

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3 is enough

3 is enough

6 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I finally clicked a link above and looked at the listing page for the property. Just a minor point: it seems that the house has central air conditioning. The reference to 'two air conditioners' IMO doesn't mean two little window units, although it was fun to read the snarky comments here about that.

Such a large building needs a substantial central air conditioning system. There may be two separate central air systems, each with its own air conditioning unit. Maybe one for the house and one for the garage, or two different zones. But the listing specifies central air conditioning, and I can't imagine that any custom home would have been built in Arkansas after about 1960 without central air.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. 😉

I assumed the house had central air, but I still think that a house that size needs more than two condenser units.  Here in Southern Nevada it isn't uncommon for  3000-5000 sq ft homes to have 3 or 4 units.  So 2 for 10,000 sq ft seems inadequate. The problem with fewer units is that the duct runs are very long, and typically run through a hot attic, so the cool air will heat up a bit by the time it gets to the vents.  The rooms closer to the units will be coolest. That is assuming the house has no basement, and the ductwork runs through the ceiling.  If there is a basement, and the vents are on the floor it *might* be ok.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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I thank Sweet Babby Jeebus every day that we don't need a/c. The windows are open here almost year 'round, save the coldest  days ( for us, it's all relative 😁). Then again,  Oakland has been deemed the best climate in the US. Rarely above 90,and it's dry heat. Rarely below freezing. I last saw snow here 25 years ago. I'm glad I was born here and didn't have to face the sticker shock. I'm glad to travel to cheaper places!

Topic? I wonder what kind of insulator all that concrete is? 

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Oldernowiser

Oldernowiser

39 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Topic? I wonder what kind of insulator all that concrete is? 

Once it’s warmed up, it will hold heat pretty well and release it slowly. Same with AC...one it’s cooled, it will help the house stay cool. The downside is when you have fluctuations in weather, as it doesn’t respond quickly. 

But I wouldn’t want those heating and cooling bills, regardless. And a heated/cooled garage is just silly in that climate.

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