Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[sometimesfan]

Why would Mr. Sparkle assume Marlena wished to gloat, of all things? Does he really find himself so important that random strangers are invested in calibrating their gaydar by his universal signal? There must be some reason why it's so important that Paul find Marlena so completely abrasive, no matter how contrived the reasoning. (I'm presuming the speculation about his being Spawn of Jawn must be true.) He comes to her office and tells her he's ready to talk to her, but she's not allowed to ask questions? Does he understand how therapy works? Do the writers? So, so dumb. If the point of the story is to make Paul more sympathetic, somebody's misjudged the effect of the story, or the appeal of the actor, very badly.

 

Seriously, those scenes made absolutely no sense at all.

[Apprentice79]

Nope, you did not missed anything. It was the calm before the storm. Sonny and Will were being a happy family with their daughter. Sonny is going to lose his family due to Will's recklessness. I don't see Sonny forgiving Will for this, he has put up with alot and this time Will has gone too far.. Will should know what kind of husband that he has, Sonny is going to give him hell for this..

Edited February 17, 2015 by Apprentice79

[Kitty Redstone]

She's not. The crimes Higley inflicted on OLTL were not Rappahorde related. They were Spencer Truman and 'Let's retcon history to have a legacy child of the show's matriarch and have it turn out that she was molested in bars as a five year old and had kiddie porn made of her! Because I don't shy away from the unpalatable!'

 

I fucking hate Higley.

 

Oh shit.  That's probably worse.  I stopped watching some time after Spencer Truman was murdered, when Marcie went on the run with baby Sam and Trevor St. John was phoning it in while in a jail cell.  Totally agree about Viki and Jessica -- I turned the channel when Jessica recalled being raped and filmed as a little kid.  It was so disturbing.

 

This really doesn't bode well, does it?

[Dandesun]

Oh shit.  That's probably worse.  I stopped watching some time after Spencer Truman was murdered, when Marcie went on the run with baby Sam and Trevor St. John was phoning it in while in a jail cell.  Totally agree about Viki and Jessica -- I turned the channel when Jessica recalled being raped and filmed as a little kid.  It was so disturbing.

 

This really doesn't bode well, does it?

 

The worst part of it was how proud Higley was of it all. She was delighted to do the kiddie porn story and fancied herself to be very brave and edgy for doing it.

 

Just... ugh. She troubles me. This writing team isn't great but I have absolutely zero positive thoughts about Higley's ability.

[Kitty Redstone]

Yeah, I'm questioning that now, too.  Maybe having a co-writer will help, though it sounds like he was bulldozed at Y&R? 

 

All this backstage and TIIC stuff is new to me (never paid any attention to it before) and I'm amazed at how insular and backwards the soap world is.  Given that the same few writers and producers cycle through one after another, it's sort of amazing there are soaps left at all.  There have got to be better people out there.

[Dandesun]

Yeah, I'm questioning that now, too.  Maybe having a co-writer will help, though it sounds like he was bulldozed at Y&R? 

 

All this backstage and TIIC stuff is new to me (never paid any attention to it before) and I'm amazed at how insular and backwards the soap world is.  Given that the same few writers and producers cycle through one after another, it's sort of amazing there are soaps left at all.  There have got to be better people out there.

 

There are. The problem is that soaps are not what new writers want to do. It is a back-breaking pace and it's a genre that does not get any kind of respect. And the networks don't do anything to nurture new talent anymore. Costs too much.

 

What we end up with is an incestual merry go round of the usual suspects. It's... really no wonder the genre is fading so much.

[boes]

She's not. The crimes Higley inflicted on OLTL were not Rappahorde related. They were Spencer Truman and 'Let's retcon history to have a legacy child of the show's matriarch and have it turn out that she was molested in bars as a five year old and had kiddie porn made of her! Because I don't shy away from the unpalatable!'

 

I fucking hate Higley.

 

 

Oh shit.  That's probably worse.  I stopped watching some time after Spencer Truman was murdered, when Marcie went on the run with baby Sam and Trevor St. John was phoning it in while in a jail cell.  Totally agree about Viki and Jessica -- I turned the channel when Jessica recalled being raped and filmed as a little kid.  It was so disturbing.

 

This really doesn't bode well, does it?

 

What Higley did to the show, to Jessica, haunted OLTL even after her departure right through to the very end.  She was/is horrible.  If she and that other Hack of Horror, Charles Pratt, ever mated, they'd produce a mutant not seen on this earth since My Mother the Car.  Ron C. is an idiot, but he got his ideas from her and look where that led us.....

 

On to today's delight!   

 

I'm not one of Marlena's biggest fans, but it would have been fine with me if she'd used her death ray on Sparkle today.  Or at least he "mess up his hair" ray.  The guy was such a snit.  And talk about full of himself.  Sparkle may hum I Feel Pretty to himself all day long, but dude is not all that, nor is everyone hanging on his story.  

All of this was just to add fake drama to the inevitable day when Jawn is revealed to be Sparkle's dad.  Then we can have conflict between Sparkle and his new mommy.  I only wish Endora could materialize and turn him into a chia pet when that happens.  After all, Jawn is just a chia pet all growed up and he does just fine on Show.

Did you catch the posing going on with Dr. Dan and Jawn today?  Those two are just such MAWSCULYNE GUYS, they were both doing everything but readjusting their manly bits while shifting their massive bods side to side while talking to each other in deep manly voices.  Cuz they're such MEN, just in case any of us didn't catch that.  

Oh, Show, how silly you can be sometimes.

 

Mel in detective mode, with Serena helping, might be good.  Of course, any and all feelings I have about other female characters are based initially on the fact that they are NOT Jennifer or Abigail, and that automatically makes me feel kindly towards them.  

 

Why doesn't Hope just use her COP VOICE on Aiden?  Everyone in Salem seems to think it stops criminals in their tracks back there.  

 

Sneasel is SO going to run for his cage tomorrow after Sonny goes ballistic.  I hope somebody changed the bedding in it cuz there WILL be pellets.

Edited February 17, 2015 by boes

[SanDiegoInExile]

I entirely don't understand the scene between Paul and Marlena.  What was he there for?  An "Oh, my God, you're gay!?" reaction?

 

That's exactly what he wanted. It's always all about him. That's some of the attraction <g>.  I don't think it's atypical.  For those who spend years hiding, they need the validation of The Big Announcement.  I think that behavior is pretty typical for someone who comes out in his mid-20s (or later).  They want the world to be shocked and excited and stunned (and happy for them).  It's such a life-changing personal moment to finally break free of playing a game.  But for casual acquaintances and random others, it's a big "meh".  Even moreso in an era where 75% of the country now has marriage equality and we are probably 4 months away from the Supremes making it universal.

 

I do think Marlena was a tad chilly in her entire demeanor though.  She seemed a bit cold and standoff-ish for a mental health professional.  Yet, I suppose that's part of the plan for her to dislike the cocky jock.  It will get exacerbated once his sex dates with Will are exposed and once a certain Japanese woman returns to Salem and meets up with John.

[Apprentice79]

Someone sent me this in an an email and I wanted to share this you all....It describes my feelings about the Sonny/will relationship...

 

I complain about Sonny not because I'm trying to make excuses for Will but because I'm sick of Sonny's hypocrisy. I was sick of it long before Will cheated on Sonny. Hell, I was complaining about Sonny's behavior in general long before Will cheated on him. I'm sick of him being the one who constantly demands total honesty from Will but then finds convenient excuses not to give total honesty in return. He did it with Gabi's secret about her role in Melanie's kidnapping. He did it with Gabi, Sami, and Kate's secret about what happened to Nick at the river. He did it when he went to Victor for help getting Will a job. He did it when he used Arianna to manipulate Will into returning home right away so they could visit Gabi. He did it when he cleaned out his and Will's joint bank account without talking to Will first. And he did it when an ex-lover showed up in town while Will was in Los Angeles. And that's just off the top of my head. And some of those were major secrets (I'm still waiting for Will to realize how different things would have been if Sonny had countered Nick's first blackmail attempt with one of his own instead of just staying quiet about what Gabi had done to Melanie). But every single time, Will has just taken it in stride and gotten over it right away. Meanwhile, we're treated to multiple episodes of Sonny shutting Will out every time Will isn't less than one hundred percent honest with him. And we get to see Will groveling for forgiveness, while I can count on one hand the number of times we've seen Sonny even bother to show an ounce of guilt for his lies in private, let alone in front of Will.

Just once, I want Will to be able to call Sonny out on this blatant hypocrisy, but it's like Will is never willing to let himself be upset with Sonny for long -- even when that emotion is completely justified -- because he's worried about doing anything at all to rock the boat and make Sonny abandon ship. Since August, when they argue, it often seems almost like an abusive relationship to me -- Will just cowers and takes whatever Sonny dishes out, believing that he deserves it because he is a screw-up and Sonny is this perfect little angel who can never -- and would never -- do anything wrong (except, of course, when he does -- in which case it has to be Will's fault). Even when Will dared to be upset with Sonny for a moment after learning about Sonny cleaning out their joint bank account, Sonny just defiantly threw the decision back in Will's face with his grand demonstration of who had earned the majority of the money, and Will immediately backed down and has barely said a bad thing about what Sonny did since then (Sonny hadn't even completely forgiven Will for lying about getting fired at that point -- and he immediately segued into being upset with Will for skipping a visit with Gabi). And now, when Will learns that Sonny has been lying to him since November, he's probably not even going to be allowed to be upset about that because he'll think he has no right to his completely legitimate feelings of betrayal just because he betrayed Sonny in a "worse" way. So, once again, Sonny will get away with being a hypocritical jerk.

I just really hate the imbalance in their relationship. I wish the writers -- who were obviously just determined to make one of them cheat on the other -- had chosen Sonny to be the cheater instead of Will, because I really want to see their roles reversed for a change (for more than the two minutes or so that their fight about Sonny's poor judgment with their money lasted -- that really doesn't count, as far as I'm concerned), with Sonny being the one who made a huge mistake and has to fight for Will's forgiveness instead of the other way around. Not to mention that Sonny cheating on Will, within the context of this stupid story, would have at least made a bit more sense than Will cheating on Sonny did. It still would have been contrived and out of character either way, but it would have been better than what we got instead, IMO.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Apprentice79

[LeftPhalange]

 

Why would Mr. Sparkle assume Marlena wished to gloat, of all things? Does he really find himself so important that random strangers are invested in calibrating their gaydar by his universal signal? There must be some reason why it's so important that Paul find Marlena so completely abrasive, no matter how contrived the reasoning. (I'm presuming the speculation about his being Spawn of Jawn must be true.) He comes to her office and tells her he's ready to talk to her, but she's not allowed to ask questions? Does he understand how therapy works? Do the writers? So, so dumb. If the point of the story is to make Paul more sympathetic, somebody's misjudged the effect of the story, or the appeal of the actor, very badly.

 

I'm wondering if Sparkle is a long lost sibling of Abifail.

[Princess Consuela]

I'm really not understanding what Paul was wanting out of the convo with Marlena - I'm assuming he thought she'd be outraged by his admission that he was gay & am glad he was disappointed

 

Liked the scenes with John & Brady - I do actually like the father/son rapport that they have.

 

Have no idea what happened between Dirty Dan/Eric & Serena/Melanie - they bore me to tears & I'm sure that whatever Serena does to Eric will somehow get blamed on Nicole

 

I'm still confused by the Aiden story - I really feel that he's not going to end up being the "killer" that Meredith is painting him out to be - I wouldn't be surprised if Meredith was poisoning herself to try to get Aiden arrested - hopefully they aren't going to drag this out too much longer.

 

I'm assuming when Sonny reads the article is when he'll remember everything - the thing will be if he'll divulge that info right away or make Will sweat?

[Sandman]

Sonny may keep his share of secrets, but to call their relationship abusive misrepresents almost entirely the real experience of spousal abuse. I find the comparison both  simplistic and irresponsible.

[blanchowens]

This show is a trainwreck...I can't stop watching lol

[micat]

I just re-started watching regularly about three months ago, so I didn't know all that history on Will and Sonny. I definitely agree that Sonny got off way lightly from Will for spending all their money, and then lashed out with that ugly comment about Will contributing nothing when Will brought up that it was wrong. He also blamed his own bad behavior on Will by saying he didn't tell him because Will wouldn't take his calls while in LA. It seems to me that typing out a text along the lines of: "Hey, I'm about to spend all our money btw," doesn't take all that long. So either way, Will was the loser: i.e. either it was Will's fault Sonny spent the money without telling him, or it was the right thing for Sonny to have done anyway. So what I'm saying is @Apprentice79, I can see your point that this relationship has been pretty problematic, and not all of it coming from one side.

 

The problem is, Guy Wilson is doing a really bad job in this role. So it's hard to see the faults in both of them when one half keeps swallowing with his lips pursed and making toddler expressions to express his feelings, and the other is delivering a heartfelt and nuanced performance.

[LeftPhalange]

I don't think the Wilson relationship is abusive but there is a significant power imbalance going on. Sonny takes charge and makes most of the decisions and Will just lets him. It's weird, because I don't think Will wants Sonny (and everyone else) to treat him like a toddler, but he doesn't really do much to change things. I think going to LA was supposed to be his way of taking some initiative and becoming more independent, problem is he went about it the wrong way. I think he clings to his "journalism career" because he desperately wants to prove to himself and to others that he's not a worthless loser who can't do anything for himself. Will clearly doesn't think he's good enough for Sonny and whether or not that's true is irrelevant, no one should ever feel like that when they're in a relationship.

 

Instead of Sonny just lashing out at Will and Will just standing there and meekly taking it, I would like to see Will grow a spine and finally get some things off his chest. I'm not interested in seeing him try to defend his cheating but I am interested in seeing him get the opportunity to voice his point of view. It seems like Will is always walking on egg shells afraid to say anything that will piss Sonny off because he's afraid Sonny will leave him. That's no way to have a healthy marriage and I want it to change. While nothing Sonny has done compares to Will's cheating, he's made some mistakes and I think he deserves to be called out on them. Wilson have so many unresolved and unspoken problems and they all can't be blamed on Will. Maybe if they were willing to communicate with each other they wouldn't even be in this mess.

[kitmerlot1213]

Sonny was clearly in the wrong when he took all of his and Will's money and poured it into the club and he shouldn't have thrown it back in Will's face that he barely contributed to their finances but Will has been ignoring Sonny and ignoring his marriage for quite some time and that needs to be addresses as well as the infidelity.  

 

Will's been emotionally checked out of the marriage since he's come back from LA and then to watch him throw himself into his article of Paul as if the baseball player was Will's life long best friend instead of a virtual stranger was very hard to watch.  I mean, why is Will so emotionally invested in Paul's coming out?  I can understand why Sonny would be because his and Paul's relationship suffered because of Paul's fear so helping him come out would be meaningful for Sonny, but not for Will.

[bannana]

I think Daniel Cosgrove did a great job with his scenes today but the storyline is kind of ridiculous.  He would rather have Hope suspect him than telling her the truth?

 

And I can get why he wants to protect Chase but if Chase also suspects his Dad killed his Mom, I am not sure that would be good for him either.

 

I am just glad the secret is out.

 

Speaking of secrets, some serious shit is going to come raining down on Will, so we can expect to see more of his hang dog look.

 

I am kind of sad that Victor gave in to Clyde, but I only half-watched, so maybe he really has something else up his sleeve.

 

Adrienne looked very nice today.

[LeftPhalange]

Sparkle is disgusting. He couldn't even wait for Sonny to get out of the hospital before he starts back harassing him about getting back together. He's sickening.

[lilly6]

Sonny can't be perfect ALL the time. 

 

Sparkle patting Sonny's hair was all kinds of sparkly cuteness.

 

I don't think for one second that Victor is giving into or giving up on anything. 

 

I wasn't watching super closely, but it was Chase' clothes that Aiden had hidden in the wall? Ever hear of a bonfire, dude?   Scissors? A lake? I just find that whole storyline very stupid.

[271days]

I don't think the Wilson relationship is abusive but there is a significant power imbalance going on. Sonny takes charge and makes most of the decisions and Will just lets him. It's weird, because I don't think Will wants Sonny (and everyone else) to treat him like a toddler, but he doesn't really do much to change things. I think going to LA was supposed to be his way of taking some initiative and becoming more independent, problem is he went about it the wrong way. I think he clings to his "journalism career" because he desperately wants to prove to himself and to others that he's not a worthless loser who can't do anything for himself. Will clearly doesn't think he's good enough for Sonny and whether or not that's true is irrelevant, no one should ever feel like that when they're in a relationship.

Instead of Sonny just lashing out at Will and Will just standing there and meekly taking it, I would like to see Will grow a spine and finally get some things off his chest. I'm not interested in seeing him try to defend his cheating but I am interested in seeing him get the opportunity to voice his point of view. It seems like Will is always walking on egg shells afraid to say anything that will piss Sonny off because he's afraid Sonny will leave him. That's no way to have a healthy marriage and I want it to change. While nothing Sonny has done compares to Will's cheating, he's made some mistakes and I think he deserves to be called out on them. Wilson have so many unresolved and unspoken problems and they all can't be blamed on Will. Maybe if they were willing to communicate with each other they wouldn't even be in this mess.

As an insecure person, I can see why Will was attracted to Sonny in the beginning. However,I think Sonny is not a good fit for Will right now because he seems to bring out Will's insecurities. Will's thirst to prove himself comes from comparing himself to Sonny and wanting to be good enough for Sonny. If Will and Sonny took a break, maybe Will would just relax.

I think Will has always been afraid that Sonny will leave him because he doesn't think anyone else will ever want him and his baggage. He's been told repeatedly that he's lucky to have Sonny, and while that is true, the idea that Will should be grateful to even have Sonny has created an imbalance.

I don't think Will feels like he is even allowed to have an opinion on things. With the money thing, Sonny basically told him to shut it because he hadn't contributed as much.

I'm interested to hear Will's point of view as well. Sonny has always controlled Will and the relationship to an extent, so I think he will be shocked that his husband has done something that he wasn't able to predict.

Looking at today's show, I'm on Team Justin. I need Justin to win Adrienne back in the end. I can't with Lucas and Adrienne.

I predicted that Chase killed Meredith by accident ages ago.

My Sneasel is so clueless. I guess he will be the last to know.

Too many people seem to be invested in the WilSon relationship succeeding. Ot doesn't bode well for Sparkle Paul, but it's not very healthy either.

Speaking of Sparkle, I can't even feel bad for him when his world is about to implode. Derrick talking up how Sonny allegedly feels about him is going to make it sweeter.

[Rick Kitchen]

 

Will's thirst to prove himself comes from comparing himself to Sonny and wanting to be good enough for Sonny.

 

And yet he belittles Sonny and Sonny's occupation at every opportunity.

[Sandman]

Even when Massey was in the role, Will was written as quite passive, but with Wilson we've gone from a lack of action and responsibility to a lack of even a point of view for this character. What is Will thinking? Is he unhappy in his marriage? Presumably so, but how did it happen? Why is he so invested in Sparkle Paul? Why isn't he communicating anything to Sonny? How did fear become his sole motivator? The writing doesn't really shore up any real motivation, or substantiate any change in his self-worth or feelings about his marriage. It can't be solely Guy Wilson's fault, but his inability to suggest any kind of inner life for Won't is killing whatever interest I had in the character as well as this thin, draggy storyline. Massey had faults as a performer, certainly, but his Will had an emotional core that the current version of the character just doesn't have. 

[boes]

 

 

Will's been emotionally checked out of the marriage since he's come back from LA and then to watch him throw himself into his article of Paul as if the baseball player was Will's life long best friend instead of a virtual stranger was very hard to watch.  I mean, why is Will so emotionally invested in Paul's coming out?  I can understand why Sonny would be because his and Paul's relationship suffered because of Paul's fear so helping him come out would be meaningful for Sonny, but not for Will.

 

 

I think Sonny is not a good fit for Will right now because he seems to bring out Will's insecurities. Will's thirst to prove himself comes from comparing himself to Sonny and wanting to be good enough for Sonny. If Will and Sonny took a break, maybe Will would just relax.

I think Will has always been afraid that Sonny will leave him because he doesn't think anyone else will ever want him and his baggage. He's been told repeatedly that he's lucky to have Sonny, and while that is true, the idea that Will should be grateful to even have Sonny has created an imbalance.

 

These two really have some fundamental issues to work out.  The problems might not be very sexy but they're impeding communication between the two.  Sneasel did everything but say that he was bored and unfulfilled before he left for L.A.  And I completely agree that his insecurities are the root problem.  Sneasel has Sonny on a pedestal and resents him for the very qualities he admires.  Sneasel's passivity has gradually pushed Sonny into assuming an even more dominant role.  I think Sneasel slept with Sparkle as much because he doesn't know how to say no just as much as he was attracted to that walking breath mint ad.  

No matter what happens between him and Sonny, Sneasel needs to do a whole hell of a lot of growing up - and actually working on his insecurity issues if he's going to make a go of ANY relationship.  

I don't see Sonny as being in any way abusive.  And I don't see Sneasel as evil, just as stupid and immature.

 

I am kind of sad that Victor gave in to Clyde, but I only half-watched, so maybe he really has something else up his sleeve.

 

I don't think for one second that Victor is giving into or giving up on anything. 

 

I don't think Victor is giving up.  I bet he's just pulling back before he comes down on him like a ton of bricks.  Clyde isn't half as smart as he thinks he is.

 

Sparkle is disgusting. He couldn't even wait for Sonny to get out of the hospital before he starts back harassing him about getting back together. He's sickening.

 

I do not like

Sparkle Pretty.

 

Would you like him

Here or there?

I would not like him

Here or there.

I would not like him

Anywhere.

I do not like

Sparkle Pretty.

I do not like him,

Sam-I-am

Would you like him

In a house?

Would you like him

With a mouse?

I do not like him

In a house.

I do not like him

With a mouse.

I do not like him

Here or there.

I do not like him

Anywhere.

I do not like Sparkle Pretty.

I do not like him cuz he's so shitty.

 

With apologies to all Dr. Suess fans.....I do detest our Sparkle Pretty.

Edited February 17, 2015 by boes

[Apprentice79]

In some ways, Sonny and Will remind me of Bette and Tina from the L word..Tina was very passive and Bette was more dominant and successful. Eventually, that relationship imploded due to their differences and infidelity. Sparkle is just so thirsty, it is very pitiful. Sonny needs to take out a restraining order on him. The man is recuperating from the hospital, here comes Sparkle...It is sickening to watch...I bet you he will use Will's betrayal to make inroads with Sonny. It is too bad Sami is not in town, I would love to see her reaction to Will's infidelity and Sonny's reaction to that....

[271days]

And yet he belittles Sonny and Sonny's occupation at every opportunity.

I wouldn't call three times (in anger) 'every opportunity'.

The time Guy's Will called Sonny a 'glorified barista', he apologised and Sonny apologised for the things he said too.

In the same episode, they discussed Will's frustration at his lack of success as compared to his perception that everything ran smoothly for Sonny, so I think my original point still stands.

Will apologised for saying that Sonny 'got lucky with TBD'. He proceeded to drop the money issue and said that he believes in Sonny and even said Sonny knows his business better than Victor does.

Will knows that Sonny and Sonny's club is responsible for the life that they have. He mentioned that when he spoke about being glad that he can finally contribute.

Edited February 17, 2015 by 271days

[LeftPhalange]

 

I think Sneasel slept with Sparkle as much because he doesn't know how to say no just as much as he was attracted to that walking breath mint ad.

 

Maybe I'm grasping at straws trying to come up with some motivation, but I think maybe Will played baseball with Sparkle because he was flattered and grateful that someone other than Sonny was interested in him. The fact that someone besides his husband found him desirable made him feel like maybe he isn't such a loser. 

[Sandman]

Okay, the baseball metaphor here is making me think inappropriately of James Earl Jones's big speech in Field of Dreams: "Base. Ball. ... People will come, Ray." 

 

I'll see myself out now.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Sandman

[Apprentice79]

I don't think that you are grasping at straws at all..I think Will likes strong and aggressive men. Sonny is a very dominant man. Sparkle kept on flirting with Will and he came on pretty strong. Will should have resisted his advances because he should have known better after witnessing his mother get roasted for her  many schemes and lies over the years. He should have known that his affair with sparkle sooner or later would have come to light and that Sonny would go ballistic. Poor Sneasel, he is going to get a rude awakening from Sonny. Perhaps, Sonny is the one that is going to teach him a lesson about cause and effect. That was the excuse that he used when he wrote that scathing article about his mother.  He just wanted to teach her a lesson and protect Abifail and that blew up in his face....

Edited February 17, 2015 by Apprentice79

[TeeVee329]

I still don't understand how Will being passive excuses him from cheating on his husband.

Edited February 17, 2015 by TeeVee329

[bantering]

She said in SOD a couple months ago what brand and make she uses. Give a a day of two and I'll try to find the old issue. I recall its inexpensive but comes in a box-like case as though its a pen.

 

Thanks very much! 

[Rick Kitchen]

I loved Sonny snarking on his father.

Please, Victor, be faking this surrender to Clyde.  Please?  Gotta agree with Victor's love for Myrna Loy.

Damn, I was hoping Meredith's body was in the wall.  :D

[sometimesfan]

I loved Sonny snarking on his father.

Please, Victor, be faking this surrender to Clyde.  Please?  Gotta agree with Victor's love for Myrna Loy.

Damn, I was hoping Meredith's body was in the wall.  :D

 

How could Victor not love Myrna Loy? I mean, it's Myrna Loy!

[boes]

I still don't understand how Will being passive excuses him from cheating on his husband.

 

IMO it doesn't.  Explains a bit about how it might have happened, but that's not excusing it.

[LeftPhalange]

 

I still don't understand how Will being passive excuses him from cheating on his husband.

 

I haven't seen anyone say Will should be given a free pass for cheating. People (including myself) have been trying to make sense of this poorly written story and come up with an explanation of how this might have happened, but that doesn't mean we think he should be immune from suffering repercussions.

[shesajar]

Sonny, as far as soap-men are concerned, is pretty perfect, though. 

As far as their relationship dynamics, I think it's far less about Sonny being controlling than it is Will being so passive. I think that, if at any point in the past, Will demonstrated an ability to make his own decisions, Sonny would have welcomed it. Sonny had to be the one to make them by default.. Sonny's very practical without being a douchebag or painfully boring, which is oh so rare in Salem.

[blanchowens]

Aiden is too good for Fancy Face.  Glad they didn't make him into a bad guy, but I can see him moving on from "the cop."  Sonny is too good for Will, well anyone is too good for Will at this point.  Personally I would love to see Sonny back with Paul.  Glad to see Justin back.  I have a feeling Victor is far from bowing out.  I'm still trying to figure out Clyde's end game with Marlena. 

[serenitynow]

So Meredith filmed that stuff why?

I mean, I knew it was a red herring but can it at least be addressed?

[kitmerlot1213]

Sonny, as far as soap-men are concerned, is pretty perfect, though. 

As far as their relationship dynamics, I think it's far less about Sonny being controlling than it is Will being so passive. I think that, if at any point in the past, Will demonstrated an ability to make his own decisions, Sonny would have welcomed it. Sonny had to be the one to make them by default.. Sonny's very practical without being a douchebag or painfully boring, which is oh so rare in Salem.

 

This is a great description of Sonny and WIll's dynamic and while that shows that Sonny wants to help Will and make his life easier, it also stops Will from actually becoming an adult and making his own choices because he knows Sonny's there to fix everything.

 

I loved FS's facial expressions when he remembered about Paul and Will--the pained look on SOnny's face was well done and while I have no doubt that FS is going to bring it, I'm not too sure about the actors playing Sneasel and Sparkle.  On the other hand, the Justin/Adrienne/Lucas scenes were extremely well played and I look forward to more.

 

The Hope/Aidan reveal was wonderfully soapy as well and I loved that he had tears in his eyes when he told Hope that Chase doesn't remember accidently killing his mom--fabulous!

[Petunia13]

Sonny knows the truth about that lying snake trash husband! Will is fucked hahaha.

The existence of Mr Rapey on this show is starting to legitimately piss me off. I mean he's a kiddie rapist, drug pusher, lying user of Kate, responsible for the death of one cute guy and stabbing of another, created BoOllie. I just hate him and his family.

Well several posters totally saw from the jump the conclusion of the Aiden mystery that Chase killed his mom. The twist might be that he's lying.

Lucas is cute as a button but this Adrienne stuff is the pits. I'm also tired of her whining.

Kate's always been slender but she looks like she lost weight. Te actress mentioned she forgets to eat when she's working and gets headaches late afternoon.

[Donny Ketchum]

Sonny, as far as soap-men are concerned, is pretty perfect, though.

Hypocrisy is not a pretty color on anyone.  Not even Sonny.  Therefore, he's a long, long, long, long, long way from perfect.

[bantering]

I don't get how Sonny is hypocritical in this instance. He didn't stupidly conduct an interview as a journalist in a hotel room that happens to have a bed in it and then wind up in bed with his interview subject. 

 

I can see how his not telling Will about Paul could be cited as a mistake Sonny made, and potentially used against him as evidence of human weakness, but who really thinks their husband is going to jump into bed with their ex-lover simply because you didn't tell them the ex-lover is in town? How often does that happen? This show is the first time I've ever seen it happen.  

Edited February 18, 2015 by bantering

[Tiger]

I loved the Jackson/Victor phone call because it was a signal flare that Jackson is going to embrace his inner Kiriakis and annihilate his enemies. I really hope he moves into the Kiriakis Mansion and becomes Pop-up Victor's heir. Freddie is going to kill it!

I don't understand why the Aiden story spun its wheels for months, and now they are burning through a week worths of plot per day.

[LeftPhalange]

Sparkle reminds me of a roach. I hope Sonny sprays him with a can of Raid.

[boes]

If Clyde bought that "all I want to do at this point in my life is take a walk in the garden with my wife" crap from Victor, then he might want to clean the cornpone out of his ears.  Victor is no more admitting defeat than Maggie is admitting she's not still living in the 80's.  Clyde Kadiddlehopper is in for a big surprise, and it's NOT a Petticoat Junction marathon courtesy of Victor Kiriakis.

 

And speaking of the Kiriakis clan, with Victor building up steam, Sonny ready to explode, and Justin home and simmering, things should get even more interesting.  After what went on at the hospital today, I'm not at all sure that Justin has cheated on Adrienne - at least not all the way.  There's certainly a distance between the two of them but it didn't sound to me like Justin was ready to call anything quits.  Lucas - who I love - might just be making trouble where there might not have been much with him telling Justin off.   Lucas does that, though - not his best character trait.  He better be careful or he might just end up with more of Adrienne than he might have bargained for.  If that happens, I can't wait to see how Kate reacts to her son's new lady in his life.

 

Does Sneasel believe in unicorns, and think clouds are made of candy cane in the fantasy world he lives in?  How on earth could this guy life his whole life in SALEM and think he can keep his sleeping with Sparkle a secret??  I mean, he has MET his mother, right??  SEEN what happened with her?  I pity the day Sneasel finds out that there isn't a Santa Claus, or that the Easter Bunny doesn't hibernate in Jawn's butt.  Real life is gonna tough.

 

Sparkle's thong must have shrunk in the wash, since it seems to be squeezing all the oxygen out of his brain.  I can't think of any other reason for him to think that NOW is a good time to go bother Sonny with declarations of his undying love.  What a self-centered doofus he is.  

It would be the best if the world gives a collective YAWN about his coming out.  Maybe Derrick can get him some work as a bellhop.

Edited February 18, 2015 by boes

[Apprentice79]

Will is being extremely naive and he is about to fall hard..However,I am conflicted about his impending doom.. On one hand, I want him to pay for his infidelity for the way he treated Sami so horribly and sided with his Stepdad's side piece. On the other hand, I feel sorry for him because Sonny is truly his rock...Without him, he will be truly be lost..Will has opened Pandora's box, he will be seeing a side of Sonny that he has never seen before...What will happen to Arianna now without her 2 daddies...We all speculate that Sonny will move out and go to the Kiriakis mansion. What if he decides to stay with Will, just to make his life hell behind closed doors, while planning his exit strategy from their marriage. He could also stay to have access to their daughter.  Will is going to do everything to please Sonny and earn his forgiveness. If Sonny had an upper hand in the marriage before, he will be even more  powerful now..He will have Will by the balls now...lol

Edited February 18, 2015 by Apprentice79

[Steff]

I haven't seen anyone else suggest it yet, but I wonder if Tammie Sue's  exit is going to be tied to Victor's revenge for what Clyde did to Sonny. 

Edited February 18, 2015 by Steff

[Chanandler]

If Clyde bought that "all I want to do at this point in my life is take a walk in the garden with my wife" crap from Victor, then he might want to clean the cornpone out of his ears. Victor is no more admitting defeat than Maggie is admitting she's not still living in the 80's. Clyde Kadiddlehopper is in for a big surprise, and it's NOT a Petticoat Junction marathon courtesy of Victor Kiriakis.

Hee! I certainly hope Victor's got big, destruction-y plans for Clyde. I hope part of that plan is dumping Naggie and stealing Kate back, because her slobbering all over that slime is gross.

I laughed when Kate came out of Ari G's nursery and Marlena and Roman had totally ditched her. I know they're not close and I think Marlena said she had a meeting or something, but they couldn't even be bothered to say goodbye? Nice one, Doc and Roman.

Also once again this show has people way too involved in their children's (well, grandchildren's, in this case, eek) sex lives with Kate blabbing to Marlena about Will's cheating. I expect better from you, Kate.

After what went on at the hospital today, I'm not at all sure that Justin has cheated on Adrienne - at least not all the way. There's certainly a distance between the two of them but it didn't sound to me like Justin was ready to call anything quits. Lucas - who I love - might just be making trouble where there might not have been much with him telling Justin off. Lucas does that, though - not his best character trait. He better be careful or he might just end up with more of Adrienne than he might have bargained for.

I love Lucas, too, so it pained me that my recurring thought during his scenes was "Shut up, Lucas." His staying in the room while Adrienne and Justin were talking to Sonny really aggravated me- like, give the parents a minute alone with their kid, Lurky McLurkerson. This Lucas/Adrienne thing they're trying is just not working for me at all.

Sparkle's thong must have shrunk in the wash, since it seems to be squeezing all the oxygen out of his brain. I can't think of any other reason for him to think that NOW is a good time to go bother Sonny with declarations of his undying love. What a self-centered doofus he is.

SERIOUSLY. I cannot stand this freaking guy. I mean, it's seriously dumb that Will thinks that the mystery dude that Sparkle loved and lost years ago has just been sitting around all this time waiting for Sparkle to come out and now that he has, yay, happy ending! Nothing could possibly stand in their way! Maybe spinning that fairy tale helps Will justify his own actions somehow, I don't know. "Sure, I got over-invested and went too far, but it's worth it because Sparkle can be who he is and get his true love!" Whatever helps you sleep at night, Sneasel.

But Sparkle KNOWS that's not true. Sonny has told him repeatedly that he is married now, he loves his husband and he's not a rebound and he's not interested in rekindling their relationship. And acting friendly towards Sparkle and even misting up at memories of their past is just not enough to get me to buy that Sonny doesn't mean what he says. Most mature adults eventually reach the point where they can be friendly with their exes, so Sonny should be able to be nice to Sparkle and even supportive of his coming out without Sparkle interpreting it as some sort of a secret love confession. Yet Sparkle just doesn't want to hear rejection. So he doesn't. It's the "your lips say no, but your eyes say yes," sort of thing that is gross and disrespectful when a man says it to a woman and just as gross and disrespectful when a man says it to a man. It's "you don't know/won't admit what you really want, but I do." It is not charming. (Disclaimer: I don't think Sparkle has actually been artless enough to say either of these things yet, but it practically oozes from his pores when he's with Sonny, IMO.) Stop it, Sparkle. Respect Sonny's goddamn decisions, even if they don't line up with what you personally want. Then maybe I'll buy that you really love him.

And he's still fucking doing it, busting into his hospital room (which apparently has zero security) expecting Sonny to... What? Leap out of his hospital bed and into his arms because now they can be together because it's convenient for him? HE'S STILL MARRIED. Take a stadium full of seats, Sparkle. Haaate.

Of course, all this is about to fall apart now that Sonny knows about Will's cheating and realizes the guy he slept with is Paul, but even if Paul and Will had never had sex I'd still have ended the episode rooting for Sonny to whack Paul in the head with the stupid iPad for being such a self-centered insensitive jackass.

(And yes, I'm aware that Sparkle didn't know he was sleeping with Sonny's husband and he's innocent in that regard, even if Sonny doesn't realize that yet. I still hate him. And I also hate Sneasel and am not excusing his role in this mess in any way, but this post is too long already; besides, it's probably best for my blood pressure if I stop now.)

(Whew. I apparently had a lot of feelings on this topic. Sorry for the tl;dr.)

[ShadowSixx]

Okay finally caught up with Monday's show and if Toothy don't get that belt from under her tits, I don't know what to do. I really hate how writers are going to make her Toothy the 3rd Coming just like Dingy is the 2nd Coming.

 

That's right Theresa, that's what Dumbass Brady likes to do a lot, threaten women. Brady is such a pill. He may not abuse women physically but he sure as hell does abuse them verbally. She should be thankful that that ugly ass Clint left. I'm just chalk up her drinking out of the bottle as a form of celebration more than anything.

 

You don't know how much I hate Hope's tights, she always wears tights that are reserved for a high school girl. Days budget must be really bad because most of the outfits are just hideously fuckly. For a cop, Hope sure as hell has lousy self defense skills. A man puts his arms around her waist and she can't shake him off of her. He so easily got the knife out of her hands.

 

Yawn is still giving those "award winning" performaces, "Best Actor that Sleeps Through his Performances". Does DH take benadryl or something before he walks on set? Yeesh.

 

Derrick is really a shit stirrer and just read Sonny's reaction all wrong. Usually I don't like a character like that but for some reason I can't get mad at Derrick, for right now. 

Edited February 18, 2015 by ShadowSixx

[Princess Consuela]

Ah so it was Chase who killed Meredith - who didn't see that coming from a mile away?     Not sure what the purpose of the video was though except to throw more suspicion on Aiden?   I still think Meredith was poisoning herself.

 

Loved the scenes with Justin/Sonny & Adrienne/Justin - i still wish we'd see the rest of Sonny's brothers

 

Loved the phone call between Sonny & Victor - I do hope Sonny finding out about Will/Paul brings out his inner Kiriakis - I'm ready to see him go to the dark side (if for just a little bit)

 

I hope Victor is playing Clyde - I just can't see him rolling over & giving everything to Clyde - he has to have some kind of an agenda.

[boes]

Hee! I certainly hope Victor's got big, destruction-y plans for Clyde. I hope part of that plan is dumping Naggie and stealing Kate back, because her slobbering all over that slime is gross.

I laughed when Kate came out of Ari G's nursery and Marlena and Roman had totally ditched her. I know they're not close and I think Marlena said she had a meeting or something, but they couldn't even be bothered to say goodbye? Nice one, Doc and Roman.

Also once again this show has people way too involved in their children's (well, grandchildren's, in this case, eek) sex lives with Kate blabbing to Marlena about Will's cheating. I expect better from you, Kate.

I love Lucas, too, so it pained me that my recurring thought during his scenes was "Shut up, Lucas." His staying in the room while Adrienne and Justin were talking to Sonny really aggravated me- like, give the parents a minute alone with their kid, Lurky McLurkerson. This Lucas/Adrienne thing they're trying is just not working for me at all.

SERIOUSLY. I cannot stand this freaking guy. I mean, it's seriously dumb that Will thinks that the mystery dude that Sparkle loved and lost years ago has just been sitting around all this time waiting for Sparkle to come out and now that he has, yay, happy ending! Nothing could possibly stand in their way! Maybe spinning that fairy tale helps Will justify his own actions somehow, I don't know. "Sure, I got over-invested and went too far, but it's worth it because Sparkle can be who he is and get his true love!" Whatever helps you sleep at night, Sneasel.

But Sparkle KNOWS that's not true. Sonny has told him repeatedly that he is married now, he loves his husband and he's not a rebound and he's not interested in rekindling their relationship. And acting friendly towards Sparkle and even misting up at memories of their past is just not enough to get me to buy that Sonny doesn't mean what he says. Most mature adults eventually reach the point where they can be friendly with their exes, so Sonny should be able to be nice to Sparkle and even supportive of his coming out without Sparkle interpreting it as some sort of a secret love confession. Yet Sparkle just doesn't want to hear rejection. So he doesn't. It's the "your lips say no, but your eyes say yes," sort of thing that is gross and disrespectful when a man says it to a woman and just as gross and disrespectful when a man says it to a man. It's "you don't know/won't admit what you really want, but I do." It is not charming. (Disclaimer: I don't think Sparkle has actually been artless enough to say either of these things yet, but it practically oozes from his pores when he's with Sonny, IMO.) Stop it, Sparkle. Respect Sonny's goddamn decisions, even if they don't line up with what you personally want. Then maybe I'll buy that you really love him.

And he's still fucking doing it, busting into his hospital room (which apparently has zero security) expecting Sonny to... What? Leap out of his hospital bed and into his arms because now they can be together because it's convenient for him? HE'S STILL MARRIED. Take a stadium full of seats, Sparkle. Haaate.

Of course, all this is about to fall apart now that Sonny knows about Will's cheating and realizes the guy he slept with is Paul, but even if Paul and Will had never had sex I'd still have ended the episode rooting for Sonny to whack Paul in the head with the stupid iPad for being such a self-centered insensitive jackass.

(And yes, I'm aware that Sparkle didn't know he was sleeping with Sonny's husband and he's innocent in that regard, even if Sonny doesn't realize that yet. I still hate him. And I also hate Sneasel and am not excusing his role in this mess in any way, but this post is too long already; besides, it's probably best for my blood pressure if I stop now.)

(Whew. I apparently had a lot of feelings on this topic. Sorry for the tl;dr.)

Absolutely marvelous post and a delight to read.  I agree with everything you say and you say it well.