Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[zoeysmom]

4 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

The idea of the housewives using their minions to manipulate the polls on Watch What Happens Live is hardly a new concept. 

All this says to me is that Luann is not on top of her PR as well as Bethenny is.  That's probably why Beth is a self-made millionaire and Luann has always had to depend upon the men in her life for money.  

Bethenny has three people on her social media staff.  Not a new concept at all that friends and supporters vote on polls.  Bethenny success came from hiring the right agency and an introduction to David Kanbar who steered the Skinnygirl ship towards the Jim Beam deal.

Luann worked before she got married, had a career and for the last eight seasons she derived an income from RHONY.  She divorced the Count seven years ago and as been making her own way ever since.  So Luann was married and Bethenny hired a partner.

[ElDosEquis]

6 hours ago, film noire said:

I think she looks good (a nice, natural pair of breasts instead of hideous bolt-ons  favored today) it's just that she's one of the worst hypocrites ever. There she is, ass to the camera like a howler monkey in heat,  faux-humping away -- TIME STAMP! -- years later, she's harassing another woman for having an active, private sex life.  Without any explanation, Porn Bethenny has turned into Sister Mary Ignatius Slut Shamer herself -- as if Frankel spent those years in the Peace Corp building potable water systems, instead of fake-fucking on screen -- yeah, you're The One True Morally Superior Housewife,  Bethenny, you keep telling yourself that.

I'm going to hell anyway, so thanks for a good Monday morning laugh!

Didn't Beffy try to sell cookies at a store and a book at Costco and hardly anyone showed? (Costco is probably where the nannies/personal chefs and drivers shop, not any of her 'fans'.....)

But she gives away some Skinny Skank stuff and people line up?

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How much business acumen do you need to walk into a meeting and give your blessing to a new flavor of swill?

[ScoobieDoobs]

Anyone surprised that the Frankelstein monster has now turned on Satan Andy?

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bethenny-frankel-andy-cohen-fight-after-real-housewives-new-york-city-reunion/

Now the question is -- has she overplayed her hand, and her importance to Bravo?  This a powerplay she is likely to lose.  It's not at all about Satan Andy now.  It's not even about Bravo.  NBC/Universal, which owns Bravo, will NEVER put up with kinda bullshit she's trying.  She's fucking up big time.  And Satan Andy really didn't do anything wrong here.  He just "dared" to expect of her what he expects from anyone else on Housewives shows.  But the Frankelstein monster thinks she's above these expectations.  The fact is she's getting paid over a million bucks & she has to do what they (Satan Andy & Bravo) ask & expect.

Edited September 19, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[Celia Rubenstein]

14 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

Self-made my ass. 

Lil' Orphan Bethenny has spent her life surrounded by heavy hitters with long and deep connections; thanks to her family. She threw so much shit against the wall for so many years until finally something stuck that her advisors could run with and parlay a deal. Left to her own devices, Bethenny has proved herself to be creatively inept and years behind fads/trends. She spouts tired old bon mots as though she just thought them up. Her "zero fucks" that she proudly proclaims her own and markets has been a catchphrase for decades. 

She is the luckiest person in the world for what happened with Jim Beam. Financially. She is the unluckiest person in the world for what happened with Jim Beam because it meant she could stop trying; stop trying to be nice, to get along with others, to be decent, to face her demons, and grow up. Now she has money to buy syncophants and that's all she needs. 

Wow the hostility, lol.  Why can't people just accept that Bethenny is a success?  She made her own money the same as every other MALE  millionaire has, by using connections and partners and advisors.  Big deal.  That's how it's done.  Few people who reach that level do it all alone in their basement inventing shit like some mad scientist. Having some help doesn't completely negate her accomplishments.

Really, what does a woman have to do to be entitled to the same credit a man gets for networking and using connections to make a fortune?  It just seems like chalking up her success to the men around her is incredibly sexist.

 

10 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

... Bethenny success came from hiring the right agency and an introduction to David Kanbar who steered the Skinnygirl ship towards the Jim Beam deal.

I wonder how many people had a great idea and their business was sailing along, only to be completely destroyed by becoming involved with the wrong advisors?  So if nothing else can we at least give Bethenny credit for getting help from the right people, lol?!?! 

Yeah, I didn't think so.  Sigh.

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Luann worked before she got married, had a career and for the last eight seasons she derived an income from RHONY.  She divorced the Count seven years ago and as been making her own way ever since.  So Luann was married and Bethenny hired a partner.

Luann was hardly rich from hosting that Italian TV show, and while she has made a nice chunk of money from the RHoNYC, it wouldn't begin to pay for her lifestyle.  That is all courtesy of her divorce settlement from the count.  That is not to say that I don't think a woman who ... well, sort of  in the case of Luann... stayed home to raise her children does not deserve credit for what she did and is entitled to her share of the marital assets.  But let's not pretend Luann lives the way she does because she stashed away a pile of lira and that is what she is living off of.  

I hardly think the fact that Bethenny happened to become involved with a male business advisor is comparable to Luann relying upon her husband's fortune to keep a roof over her head. 

[WireWrap]

17 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Anyone surprised that the Frankelsetin monster has now turned on Satan Andy?

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bethenny-frankel-andy-cohen-fight-after-real-housewives-new-york-city-reunion/

Now the question is -- has she overplayed her hand, and her importance to Bravo?  This a powerplay she is likely to lose.  It's not at all about Satan Andy now.  It's not even about Bravo.  NBC/Universal, which owns Bravo, will NEVER put up with kinda bullshit she's trying.  She's fucking up big time.  And Satan Andy really didn't do anything wrong here.  He just "dared" to expect of her what he expects from anyone else on Housewives shows.  But the Frankelstein monster thinks she's above these expectations.  The fact is she's getting paid over a million bucks & she has to do what they (Satan Andy & Bravo) ask & expect.

I'm not so sure I buy into this "fight" story. LOL She still has her radio show which is through Andy, so maybe this is to keep viewers talking or just something ROL made up out of thin air. LOL

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Wow the hostility, lol.  Why can't people just accept that Bethenny is a success?  She made her own money the same as every other MALE  millionaire has, by using connections and partners and advisors.  Big deal.  That's how it's done.  Few people who reach that level do it all alone in their basement inventing shit like some mad scientist. Having some help doesn't completely negate her accomplishments.

Really, what does a woman have to do to be entitled to the same credit a man gets for networking and using connections to make a fortune?  It just seems like chalking up her success to the men around her is incredibly sexist.

 

I wonder how many people had a great idea and their business was sailing along, only to be completely destroyed by becoming involved with the wrong advisors?  So if nothing else can we at least give Bethenny credit for getting help from the right people, lol?!?! 

Yeah, I didn't think so.  Sigh.

Luann was hardly rich from hosting that Italian TV show, and while she has made a nice chunk of money from the RHoNYC, it wouldn't begin to pay for her lifestyle.  That is all courtesy of her divorce settlement from the count.  That is not to say that I don't think a woman who ... well, sort of  in the case of Luann... stayed home to raise her children does not deserve credit for what she did and is entitled to her share of the marital assets.  But let's not pretend Luann lives the way she does because she stashed away a pile of lira and that is what she is living off of.  

I hardly think the fact that Bethenny happened to become involved with a male business advisor is comparable to Luann relying upon her husband's fortune to keep a roof over her head. 

Bethenny would not have her millions had it not been for this show and she acknowledges that. Yes, she did keep chugging along, throwing anything/everything until something stuck to the wall and good for her. She does not quit, a admirable quality in business but not so much in private. I wish she would learn to separate the 2, learn how to enjoy the wonderful life she has or could have if she just stopped to smell the roses once in a while but that isn't going to happen. Sadly, Bethenny is a "fame" junkie and has to have the spotlight on her 24/7 and it will be her undoing if she doesn't realize that.

[Celia Rubenstein]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny would not have her millions had it not been for this show and she acknowledges that. Yes, she did keep chugging along, throwing anything/everything until something stuck to the wall and good for her. She does not quit, a admirable quality in business but not so much in private.

So true.  But she wouldn't be the first person who had a sucky private life because of the very qualities that made them a success in business.  That kind of personal ineptitude is probably more common among business tycoons of the world than we know because they don't have the scrutiny on their private lives and relationships that Beth does. 

Far from holding it against her, I, too, give Beth a lot of credit for throwing things against the wall until something stuck.  Lord knows the rest of these women have hurled jewelry and clothing lines and imaginary toaster ovens against the walls only to watch them bounce off the wall and hit the floor with a dull THUD.  But Beth made it work.  Not alone, as you noted.  She had this show and she had advisors. But like you said, she at least acknowledges it.  Which is a lot more than many other successful people are willing to do. 

Now if we could just put her in touch with a decent therapist ... lol

[ScoobieDoobs]

37 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I'm not so sure I buy into this "fight" story. LOL She still has her radio show which is through Andy, so maybe this is to keep viewers talking or just something ROL made up out of thin air. LOL

 I know, but even if it's a teeny weeny weeny glimmer of hope toward the takedown & destruction of the Frankelstein monster, I'll go with it.

Edited September 19, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[ScoobieDoobs]

Remember when she drove around in this thing & Lu was looking down on her & laughin'?

[WireWrap]

45 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

So true.  But she wouldn't be the first person who had a sucky private life because of the very qualities that made them a success in business.  That kind of personal ineptitude is probably more common among business tycoons of the world than we know because they don't have the scrutiny on their private lives and relationships that Beth does. 

Far from holding it against her, I, too, give Beth a lot of credit for throwing things against the wall until something stuck.  Lord knows the rest of these women have hurled jewelry and clothing lines and imaginary toaster ovens against the walls only to watch them bounce off the wall and hit the floor with a dull THUD.  But Beth made it work.  Not alone, as you noted.  She had this show and she had advisors. But like you said, she at least acknowledges it.  Which is a lot more than many other successful people are willing to do. 

Now if we could just put her in touch with a decent therapist ... lol

IMO, she doesn't want to change, she loves the way she is. Something is wrong with her, far past anything lousy childhood could/would explain. She has to be right, even when she knows she is wrong, she digs her heels in to her own detriment and then sets out to destroy whoever is in the vicinity.

Yes, I am sure narcissist are a dime a dozen in the business world but most don't try to showcase it on national TV like Bethenny has. LOL

2 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Remember when she drove around in this thing & Lu was looking down on her & laughin'?

43 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

 I know, but even if it's a teeny weeny weeny glimmer of hope toward the takedown & destruction of the Frankelstein monster, I'll go with it.

I liked the SKG bug, thought it was cute. And Yes, Luann was a snob about it.

As much as I want Bethenny to get a dose of her own medicine, I will admit, I don't want her "destroyed", I can't wish that on anyone, even her.

[ScoobieDoobs]

22 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

As much as I want Bethenny to get a dose of her own medicine, I will admit, I don't want her "destroyed", I can't wish that on anyone, even her.

Not referring to Bethenny herself being destroyed, but the monster she plays & reign of terror she has created on the show now.

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny would not have her millions had it not been for this show and she acknowledges that. Yes, she did keep chugging along, throwing anything/everything until something stuck to the wall and good for her. She does not quit, a admirable quality in business but not so much in private. I wish she would learn to separate the 2, learn how to enjoy the wonderful life she has or could have if she just stopped to smell the roses once in a while but that isn't going to happen. Sadly, Bethenny is a "fame" junkie and has to have the spotlight on her 24/7 and it will be her undoing if she doesn't realize that.

This is what is interesting to me. No doubt about it, Beth is a major famewhore. She seems to be addicted to the small time fame, even when she has all the success she could have ever imagined when it all began. She cannot live without it. Why? She is not the first, and I have realized that for whatever reason, these are sometimes the HW's that I am attracted to. Kyle is another one, and I love Kyle. I go back and forth on LVP, but respect her in many ways. Like Beth, neither of them need this show. They have more money than they can spend. LVP in particular always seems irritated by her very involvement in the show. Heather Dubrow - who I also love - is another one. Why do they do it? Why put themselves and their families through it all when they don't need any of it? I think because they are all like Beth, and once they get a taste of it, they cannot step away from it. Nothing seems exciting any longer after they have had photographers snapping their pictures on some meaningless red carpet somewhere asking them for their opinion on whatever is going on. They become addicted and their very identity is tied to being on this show. For whatever reason, I always kind of like these gals the best, when I should probably like the gals who actually need this gig for their financial survival, but I don't. Might also just be that I tend to gravitate towards the smarter gals, and the ones who seem to be successful away from the show tend to be smarter for the most part. 

[AuntieDiane6]

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I'm not so sure I buy into this "fight" story. LOL She still has her radio show which is through Andy, so maybe this is to keep viewers talking or just something ROL made up out of thin air. LOL

Exactly.  Just before EVERY season she comes up with some "news."  Remember her alleged miscarriage??  I doubted it then and I certainly doubt it now. You'd think with all the talk of her fibroids, her alleged miscarriage would have come up.  ,

[motorcitymom65]

8 minutes ago, AuntieDiane6 said:

Exactly.  Just before EVERY season she comes up with some "news."  Remember her alleged miscarriage??  I doubted it then and I certainly doubt it now. You'd think with all the talk of her fibroids, her alleged miscarriage would have come up.  ,

It did. She talked about a miscarriage when interviewed about her fibroids and health history. I think maybe for People magazine. 

[jinjer]

18 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

This is what is interesting to me. No doubt about it, Beth is a major famewhore. She seems to be addicted to the small time fame, even when she has all the success she could have ever imagined when it all began. She cannot live without it. Why? She is not the first, and I have realized that for whatever reason, these are sometimes the HW's that I am attracted to. Kyle is another one, and I love Kyle. I go back and forth on LVP, but respect her in many ways. Like Beth, neither of them need this show. They have more money than they can spend. LVP in particular always seems irritated by her very involvement in the show. Heather Dubrow - who I also love - is another one. Why do they do it? Why put themselves and their families through it all when they don't need any of it? I think because they are all like Beth, and once they get a taste of it, they cannot step away from it. Nothing seems exciting any longer after they have had photographers snapping their pictures on some meaningless red carpet somewhere asking them for their opinion on whatever is going on. They become addicted and their very identity is tied to being on this show. For whatever reason, I always kind of like these gals the best, when I should probably like the gals who actually need this gig for their financial survival, but I don't. Might also just be that I tend to gravitate towards the smarter gals, and the ones who seem to be successful away from the show tend to be smarter for the most part. 

Heather has said that Terry actually signed the contract for her to do the HWs without her knowing it and she was pissed.  Why she keeps going?  I don't know. But he really is the famewhore there.

[WireWrap]

16 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

This is what is interesting to me. No doubt about it, Beth is a major famewhore. She seems to be addicted to the small time fame, even when she has all the success she could have ever imagined when it all began. She cannot live without it. Why? She is not the first, and I have realized that for whatever reason, these are sometimes the HW's that I am attracted to. Kyle is another one, and I love Kyle. I go back and forth on LVP, but respect her in many ways. Like Beth, neither of them need this show. They have more money than they can spend. LVP in particular always seems irritated by her very involvement in the show. Heather Dubrow - who I also love - is another one. Why do they do it? Why put themselves and their families through it all when they don't need any of it? I think because they are all like Beth, and once they get a taste of it, they cannot step away from it. Nothing seems exciting any longer after they have had photographers snapping their pictures on some meaningless red carpet somewhere asking them for their opinion on whatever is going on. They become addicted and their very identity is tied to being on this show. For whatever reason, I always kind of like these gals the best, when I should probably like the gals who actually need this gig for their financial survival, but I don't. Might also just be that I tend to gravitate towards the smarter gals, and the ones who seem to be successful away from the show tend to be smarter for the most part. 

IMO, there is a big, BIG, difference between Bethenny and LisaV/HeatherD. LVP/HD know how to control themselves, realize that their reputations are important whereas Bethenny is missing that knowledge/ability. In all honesty, Bethenny reminds me so much of a rich Brandi, vulgar, cheap and will do/say anything for a cheap laugh and for camera time.

7 minutes ago, AuntieDiane6 said:

Exactly.  Just before EVERY season she comes up with some "news."  Remember her alleged miscarriage??  I doubted it then and I certainly doubt it now. You'd think with all the talk of her fibroids, her alleged miscarriage would have come up.  ,

She did speak about her miscarriage shorty after it happened, she just didn't go into detail. IMO, this is when Bethenny decided she wanted out of the marriage. She is a cut and run person, she pushes others away before they can her, even if that is not something they want to do. She blamed herself for the loss and pushed Jason away before he blamed her and/or asked for a divorce himself.

[AuntieDiane6]

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She did speak about her miscarriage shorty after it happened, she just didn't go into detail.

If nobody knew she was pregnant, why advertise the miscarriage?  Nobody knew, nobody cared ... EXCEPT THAT HER TALK SHOW WAS BEING ANNOUNCED.

[motorcitymom65]

49 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

IMO, there is a big, BIG, difference between Bethenny and LisaV/HeatherD. LVP/HD know how to control themselves, realize that their reputations are important whereas Bethenny is missing that knowledge/ability. In all honesty, Bethenny reminds me so much of a rich Brandi, vulgar, cheap and will do/say anything for a cheap laugh and for camera time.

No doubt, their personalities are different in many ways. But they are still people who have achieved success in ways most people cannot imagine, yet continue to put themselves out there in ways that they say often makes them uncomfortable. They have said that some of it makes them miserable. And they don't need to. They are all famewhores. Not that I have a problem with this. I clearly love famewhores.  

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, motorcitymom65 said:

No doubt, their personalities are different in many ways. But they are still people who have achieved success in ways most people cannot imagine, yet continue to put themselves out there in ways that they say often makes them uncomfortable. They have said that some of it makes them miserable. And they don't need to. They are all famewhores. Not that I have a problem with this. I clearly love famewhores.  

In all honesty, they are all "famewhores", every single HW in the history of the franchise but some handle it better than others. IMO, Bethenny does herself/brand a disservice, she needs Psych help ASAP before she crashes and burns herself up/destroys for good.

[Juneau Gal]

5 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Wow the hostility, lol.  Why can't people just accept that Bethenny is a success?  She made her own money the same as every other MALE  millionaire has, by using connections and partners and advisors.  Big deal.  That's how it's done.  Few people who reach that level do it all alone in their basement inventing shit like some mad scientist. Having some help doesn't completely negate her accomplishments.

Really, what does a woman have to do to be entitled to the same credit a man gets for networking and using connections to make a fortune?  It just seems like chalking up her success to the men around her is incredibly sexist.

 

I wonder how many people had a great idea and their business was sailing along, only to be completely destroyed by becoming involved with the wrong advisors?  So if nothing else can we at least give Bethenny credit for getting help from the right people, lol?!?! 

Yeah, I didn't think so.  Sigh.

Luann was hardly rich from hosting that Italian TV show, and while she has made a nice chunk of money from the RHoNYC, it wouldn't begin to pay for her lifestyle.  That is all courtesy of her divorce settlement from the count.  That is not to say that I don't think a woman who ... well, sort of  in the case of Luann... stayed home to raise her children does not deserve credit for what she did and is entitled to her share of the marital assets.  But let's not pretend Luann lives the way she does because she stashed away a pile of lira and that is what she is living off of.  

I hardly think the fact that Bethenny happened to become involved with a male business advisor is comparable to Luann relying upon her husband's fortune to keep a roof over her head. 

This is not a sexist or feminist issue and I resent like hell you trying to make it one. 

No hostility; just keeping it real like your girl. If you can't handle the truth, you can't handle me. 

[breezy424]

I just can't put Lisa V or Kyle and even Heather into the same category as Beth.  I've always liked Kyle and not so crazy about Lisa or Heather.  But Bettheny Frankel is in a whole different category by herself.  She will go to places that I think Kyle, Lisa and Heather will not go to about themselves or the other housewives.  Yep, Beth is a whole lot more similar to Brandi.

[zoeysmom]

I was watching "A Good Place" and I could swear Kristen Bell's character was killed when she bent over to pick up a bottle of Lonely Lady Margarita Diet Margarita Mix.  She was subsequently hit by shopping carts which propelled her into the way of a truck advertising erectile dysfunction.   When reeling off her favorite show they said, "Real Housewives of Atlanta" not in a good way. Did anyone else see the show?

[ryebread]

11 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Yep, Beth is a whole lot more similar to Brandi.

If Brandi and Holla had a baby...

Heather Thomson's business acumen and loud, bossy, gangsta mouth + Brandi's vulgar, look-at-me-I'm-in-a-bikini, 'truth cannon'.

[AuntieDiane6]

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I was watching "A Good Place" and I could swear Kristen Bell's character was killed when she bent over to pick up a bottle of Lonely Lady Margarita Diet Margarita Mix.  She was subsequently hit by shopping carts which propelled her into the way of a truck advertising erectile dysfunction.   When reeling off her favorite show they said, "Real Housewives of Atlanta" not in a good way. Did anyone else see the show?

It's so funny that you write this because over on the Emmys message board, people were lamenting that nobody watches the same shows anymore.

I didn't see it, but that's pretty funny ...

[SCS]

19 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Wow the hostility, lol.  Why can't people just accept that Bethenny is a success?  She made her own money the same as every other MALE  millionaire has, by using connections and partners and advisors.  Big deal.  That's how it's done.  Few people who reach that level do it all alone in their basement inventing shit like some mad scientist. Having some help doesn't completely negate her accomplishments.

Really, what does a woman have to do to be entitled to the same credit a man gets for networking and using connections to make a fortune?  It just seems like chalking up her success to the men around her is incredibly sexist.

 

I wonder how many people had a great idea and their business was sailing along, only to be completely destroyed by becoming involved with the wrong advisors?  So if nothing else can we at least give Bethenny credit for getting help from the right people, lol?!?! 

Yeah, I didn't think so.  Sigh.

Luann was hardly rich from hosting that Italian TV show, and while she has made a nice chunk of money from the RHoNYC, it wouldn't begin to pay for her lifestyle.  That is all courtesy of her divorce settlement from the count.  That is not to say that I don't think a woman who ... well, sort of  in the case of Luann... stayed home to raise her children does not deserve credit for what she did and is entitled to her share of the marital assets.  But let's not pretend Luann lives the way she does because she stashed away a pile of lira and that is what she is living off of.  

I hardly think the fact that Bethenny happened to become involved with a male business advisor is comparable to Luann relying upon her husband's fortune to keep a roof over her head. 

 

I'm not a fan of either Beth or Lu but you make some great points, which I've bolded for universal enjoyment (or in Lu-speak All's enjoyment).

[zoeysmom]

15 hours ago, AuntieDiane6 said:

Exactly.  Just before EVERY season she comes up with some "news."  Remember her alleged miscarriage??  I doubted it then and I certainly doubt it now. You'd think with all the talk of her fibroids, her alleged miscarriage would have come up.  ,

I believe Bethenny wanted to raise awareness about miscarriages.  I am at the point that I won't be looking to Bethenny to raise awareness about much of anything.  She just wants to talk about herself.  She told some bizarre story about having to tell the interior designer to nix Jason's man cave and make it into a nursery. Then she miscarried and it became her deluxe closet.  I guess that is how one deal's with a miscarriage. 

It is the same thing with her getting the info about Tom and the ludicrous, "Would you want to know?".  It really isn't a realistic platform when she put it on camera four days before she told Luann.  Dorinda nailed it, it was not about Bethenny, but she sure wanted to make it be.  Someone else's pain and hurt is secondary to her.  Bethenny acted as if there was no other way.  How about texting Tom?  How about telling Luann instead of asking about monogamy?  That was just another cheap shot and a guarantee Luann would be talking about Bethenny.  Bethenny keeps saying she did nothing wrong.  She did everything for her benefit and the public and Dorinda and Jules didn't buy it.

[jaync]

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Really, what does a woman have to do to be entitled to the same credit a man gets for networking and using connections to make a fortune?

According to Frankel, a woman should sleep her way to the top if conventional methods aren't doing the trick, and if you're a black female business owner, you should get a white male to be the face of your company. (But, I assume she thinks her sexist and racist views are fine, since she claims to have a scrotum, and is a fellow sista because she's "loud".)

[Celia Rubenstein]

17 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

This is not a sexist or feminist issue and I resent like hell you trying to make it one. 

No hostility; just keeping it real like your girl. If you can't handle the truth, you can't handle me. 

I guess that is supposed to be a play on Bethenny's tag line, but unfortunately it's not relevant in this situation.  Because what I had problem with was not some "truth" you stated.  What I disagree with was your opinion.  That is something very different.

You don't think Bethenny deserves the credit for her business success and instead it should go to the men she was working with. I happen to think that when a someone refuses to give a woman the credit for being a success in business and instead bestow that credit upon the men in her company and imply she would be nothing without them, it smacks of sexism.  

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

1 hour ago, jaync said:

According to Frankel, a woman should sleep her way to the top if conventional methods aren't doing the trick, and if you're a black female business owner, you should get a white male to be the face of your company. 

This is a gross mischaracterization of her comments.  It was debunked a long time age.  I suggest you find the audio of her comments which are available online so you can hear what she actually said. 

 

4 hours ago, steelcitysister said:

 

I'm not a fan of either Beth or Lu but you make some great points, which I've bolded for universal enjoyment (or in Lu-speak All's enjoyment).

I am like you ... I don't care much for either Beth or Lu.  I don't play the "team (insert name)" game, which I would think would be obvious from my comments criticizing Bethenny's attacks on Jules, her referring to her boyfriend's current wife as his "ex" and my complete disgust with her phone call to the daughter.  But say the slightest thing in Bethenny's defense and people call her "your girl," lol.  Go figure.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Celia Rubenstein

[jaync]

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It was debunked a long time age.

By whom, Bethany?

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But say the slightest thing in Bethenny's defense and people call her "your girl," lol.  Go figure.

Well, it's not like being called a "fuckdoll".

[zoeysmom]

Bethenny's strength is/was she saw the opportunity to build a brand based on her national exposure on TV shows.  She didn't hit gold with the first few products but once she got an agency and had a really, really good solid idea, doors opened for her.  Her partnering with Kanbar was genius.  During the first season she mentioned, while networking and talking to her dad's friends, her dad knew Sidney Frank, who engineered the $2 BILLION dollar sale of Grey Goose. So Bethenny was always very aware of the importance of brand building.  Kyle even mentioned Bethenny's days of hustle from being a restaurant hostess/tanny (teen nanny) to Paris and Nicki, to expanding to her pashmina business.

What I respected Bethenny for, and she was far kinder than Josh, is when she took Sonja inside her world (don't call it mentoring) and showed her how she had partners and it wasn't just lunch at Cipriani's, waving to the random passerby and checking out the wait staff's butts, all while wearing a swell hat.  She tried before she was successful with Ramona, and Ramona blew her off as well.

I did agree when she wrote her blog about it is just not about being on a TV show and sorting through dubious offers, Ramona and Sonja style, there is  more to it.  I give lots of praise to the women who are able to run with a product with the Real Housewife fame, but damn sometime it would be nice to give a nod to the fact it is an ensemble cast not just Bravo and Andy.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

I recorded it! Hope it is good!

Let me know-it was a pretty funny scene.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

Hmmm, that kind of irritates me in a rewrite history way in the interview. Did she really say that? Because I watched the show and from the get go it was a debate about man cave vs closet, if I remember correctly. And even complete with letting the poor guy think he really was getting a guy space but nope, closet the whole time.

She really said it.  It was about not really wanting to tell anyone they were pregnant but because they would have to make a decision regarding the room she confided in the designer.  http://www.glamour.com/story/bethenny-frankel-im-ready-to-talk-about-my-miscarriage-glamour-july-2012  Note the date June 2012.

She also had this ridiculous series of interviews about how woman don't talk about women's health issues:  http://www.etonline.com/news/191665_bethenny_frankel_gets_emotional_talking_about_miscarriage_i_went_through_that_alone/

What I don't get is this I had to go through it alone because people don't discuss miscarriages.  Jason didn't ask enough how she was doing and she wanted to discuss it. 

[NewDigs]

24 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

She really said it.  It was about not really wanting to tell anyone they were pregnant but because they would have to make a decision regarding the room she confided in the designer.  http://www.glamour.com/story/bethenny-frankel-im-ready-to-talk-about-my-miscarriage-glamour-july-2012  Note the date June 2012.

She also had this ridiculous series of interviews about how woman don't talk about women's health issues:  http://www.etonline.com/news/191665_bethenny_frankel_gets_emotional_talking_about_miscarriage_i_went_through_that_alone/

What I don't get is this I had to go through it alone because people don't discuss miscarriages.  Jason didn't ask enough how she was doing and she wanted to discuss it. 

The 45-year-old reality star says at the time of her miscarriage, she didn't want anyone to know what had happened. "Based on things that were going on in my personal life and my marriage, I think that later, I sort of just marketed to myself as that was not meant to be," the Bravo star admits. "Because it would have made things even more difficult than they already were. ...It just wasn't, it wasn't the time."

She "marketed" to herself? What does that mean? She told herself?

I think she's saying that she didn't have anyone to talk to because she's a know-it-all. 

Once again, Bethy finds herself alone. I'm pretty sure I see a pattern. 

[ElDosEquis]

I have seen women with two nickels to rub together act with more tact, elan and manners than this bunch of women.

The lowest on the totem pole is beffy frankelstein (Schteen, Frankelschteen!).

There is a lack of common sense, grace and just plain being a human being in this one.

I'll never get the attraction of a vapid, rude and vacuous person that that bitch has with anyone.

Edited September 21, 2016 by ElDosEquis
i dunno

[breezy424]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

She really said it.  It was about not really wanting to tell anyone they were pregnant but because they would have to make a decision regarding the room she confided in the designer.  http://www.glamour.com/story/bethenny-frankel-im-ready-to-talk-about-my-miscarriage-glamour-july-2012  Note the date June 2012.

She also had this ridiculous series of interviews about how woman don't talk about women's health issues:  http://www.etonline.com/news/191665_bethenny_frankel_gets_emotional_talking_about_miscarriage_i_went_through_that_alone/

What I don't get is this I had to go through it alone because people don't discuss miscarriages.  Jason didn't ask enough how she was doing and she wanted to discuss it. 

From the ET interview on women discussing 'female' issues:

"Women sort of are shameful, or hide things. ...People don't talk about female medical issues to each other a lot."

"I know a lot of people, and I've been through a lot, and it's wild that I really don't know anybody who'd gone through this," she adds.

Special snowflake syndrome.  Maybe the 'lot of people she knows' don't care to open up to her. 

[Juneau Gal]

8 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I guess that is supposed to be a play on Bethenny's tag line, but unfortunately it's not relevant in this situation.  Because what I had problem with was not some "truth" you stated.  What I disagree with was your opinion.  That is something very different.

You don't think Bethenny deserves the credit for her business success and instead it should go to the men she was working with. I happen to think that when a someone refuses to give a woman the credit for being a success in business and instead bestow that credit upon the men in her company and imply she would be nothing without them, it smacks of sexism.  

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

 

What I posted is below. Where in any of it is gender even mentioned,  except to refer to Bethenny as a her or she. For all I know, she had advisors of both genders. You can disagree with my opinion all that you want, but don't make up sexism where it doesn't occur. And for sure, don't tag me with that label. 

"Self-made my ass. 

Lil' Orphan Bethenny has spent her life surrounded by heavy hitters with long and deep connections; thanks to her family. She threw so much shit against the wall for so many years until finally something stuck that her advisors could run with and parlay a deal. Left to her own devices, Bethenny has proved herself to be creatively inept and years behind fads/trends. She spouts tired old bon mots as though she just thought them up. Her "zero fucks" that she proudly proclaims her own and markets has been a catchphrase for decades. 

She is the luckiest person in the world for what happened with Jim Beam. Financially. She is the unluckiest person in the world for what happened with Jim Beam because it meant she could stop trying; stop trying to be nice, to get along with others, to be decent, to face her demons, and grow up. Now she has money to buy syncophants and that's all she needs." 

[Nanny pants]

"People don't talk about female medical issues to each other a lot, so I'm going to devote an entire season of RHONYC to my bleeding fibroids," says Bethenny.

[Baltimore Betty]

My daughter met Bethenny last night in Philadelphia, there was a meet and greet at a liquor store and she got a signed bottle and a photo with Beth...daughter and some friends are heading to Atlantic City this weekend and they needed some adult beverages, I warned her to have back up booze in case the Skinny Girl sucks. 

[zoeysmom]

Bethenny just doesn't stop:  http://www.allabouttrh.com/2016/09/21/bethenny-frankel-offers-skinnygirl-sponsor-luann-de-lesseps-wedding-says-will-attend-appearance-fee/  Why is she so hell bent on inserting herself in Luann's wedding?  I would attend for a large appearance fee-it is a wedding not some convention of entrepreneurs.  Tom and Luann have said they aren't going to have the wedding filmed-so back off Bethenny, let them get married.  This is what irritates me, this is Luann's real life, she and Tom have invited family and friends to share their wedding, it isn't some freaking spin-off with a question mark if they will tie the knot. 

Just pathetic.  Bethenny needs to stop obsessing on Luann and Tom.  They will do just fine without her Skinnygirl swill at the wedding.  Kind of sad Bethenny would give up a holiday for an appearance fee. 

[zoeysmom]

Interesting-not because the Shields were involved in lawsuits-http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bethenny-frankel-new-boyfriend-dennis-shields-past-million-dollar-lawsuits/  but more to do with the value of the home.  With Bethenny and Dennis captured by paparazzi looking at $15-30 million dollar abodes I was expecting the Shields to be living like this in Long Island: 

[Celia Rubenstein]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny just doesn't stop:  http://www.allabouttrh.com/2016/09/21/bethenny-frankel-offers-skinnygirl-sponsor-luann-de-lesseps-wedding-says-will-attend-appearance-fee/  Why is she so hell bent on inserting herself in Luann's wedding?  I would attend for a large appearance fee-it is a wedding not some convention of entrepreneurs.  Tom and Luann have said they aren't going to have the wedding filmed-so back off Bethenny, let them get married.  This is what irritates me, this is Luann's real life, she and Tom have invited family and friends to share their wedding, it isn't some freaking spin-off with a question mark if they will tie the knot. 

Just pathetic.  Bethenny needs to stop obsessing on Luann and Tom.  They will do just fine without her Skinnygirl swill at the wedding.  Kind of sad Bethenny would give up a holiday for an appearance fee. 

Bethenny is obviously just being facetious.  It's a JOKE.  She is not serious about sponsoring or collecting a fee for attending Luann's three ring circus dress event.  

I don't think she would go if Luann DID offer to pay her!

 

11 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

For all I know, she had advisors of both genders. 

So it turns out you don't even know who the people who deserve all the credit were, but you are just sure that Bethenny herself deserves none?  

Interesting.

 

54 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Interesting-not because the Shields were involved in lawsuits-http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bethenny-frankel-new-boyfriend-dennis-shields-past-million-dollar-lawsuits/  but more to do with the value of the home.  With Bethenny and Dennis captured by paparazzi looking at $15-30 million dollar abodes I was expecting the Shields to be living like this in Long Island: 

At first glance I thought you were suggesting Dennis and Bethenny were looking at buying this^^^ place, lol. I thought, damn Skinny Girl is doing better than we all thought. 

But onto more serious matters ... what the hell is she doing apartment hunting with this guy?  She can't be moving in with him already, not with her daughter in the picture.  I loathe Radar Online and I know 90% of what they print is garbage, so I can only hope this story will end up on the big pile of trash with most of their other stories. 

[QuinnM]

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My daughter met Bethenny last night in Philadelphia, there was a meet and greet at a liquor store and she got a signed bottle and a photo with Beth...daughter and some friends are heading to Atlantic City this weekend and they needed some adult beverages, I warned her to have back up booze in case the Skinny Girl sucks. 

I'm not sure what they bought but it was a Watermelon Lime margarita promotion and that one is pretty good.  I would say my favorite of the cocktails.  And a party bus is exactly the kind of thing a bottled cocktail is good for. 

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But onto more serious matters ... what the hell is she doing apartment hunting with this guy?

There are a dozen pap shots of her apartment hunting and 100 snaps of she and that real estate guy apartment hunting.  There appears to be one day that Dennis was with her.  I suggest that Bethenny is apartment hunting and Dennis came with her one day.  But that doesn't make near as good a radar headline.

[HunterHunted]

12 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

"Self-made my ass. 

Lil' Orphan Bethenny has spent her life surrounded by heavy hitters with long and deep connections; thanks to her family. She threw so much shit against the wall for so many years until finally something stuck that her advisors could run with and parlay a deal. Left to her own devices, Bethenny has proved herself to be creatively inept and years behind fads/trends. She spouts tired old bon mots as though she just thought them up. Her "zero fucks" that she proudly proclaims her own and markets has been a catchphrase for decades. 

She is the luckiest person in the world for what happened with Jim Beam. Financially. She is the unluckiest person in the world for what happened with Jim Beam because it meant she could stop trying; stop trying to be nice, to get along with others, to be decent, to face her demons, and grow up. Now she has money to buy syncophants and that's all she needs." 

Yes, she had connections, but there are so many people with more money and better connections who manage to do jack shit with their lives. Stephanie Seymour's kids with Peter Brant appear to be on a path to being permanently worthless. All of those Davis grandchildren don't appear to be doing anything worthwhile. The Getty heirs are also a little bit hit or miss. Heck, Carole's mother in law has been regarded by many people as a very stylish obnoxious lazy dilettante. Bethenny is connected and was lucky, but she was also willing to put in the work whatever that entailed to get where she has. Has her self satisfaction encouraged her to down play the breaks she had? Yeah, probably. But even the shit that Kim K does takes work.

And I would agree that success has gone to her head and that she is far more obnoxious than she used to be. Unfortunately that happens with a lot of people with fame or wealth. Teresa on RHoNJ had until her incarceration been increasingly more of a snob about what types of designer goods and services were up to her standards.

[Celia Rubenstein]

4 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

There are a dozen pap shots of her apartment hunting and 100 snaps of she and that real estate guy apartment hunting.  There appears to be one day that Dennis was with her.  I suggest that Bethenny is apartment hunting and Dennis came with her one day.  But that doesn't make near as good a radar headline.

Didn't she just move into a place she completely renovated, though?  One she had to buy because she was tired of living in hotels while she waited for Jason to be kicked out of the one they had shared?  The place she was shown living this season, with those huge brightly colored paintings. 

Hmm, maybe she just decided she hated it, lol.  I know I did.  

[QuinnM]

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Hmm, maybe she just decided she hated it, lol.  I know I did.

I agree.  It had no light but the front windows, small closet, small kitchen.  But she's owned it two years and lived there for a year and a half.  And that my friends is NYC real estate.  I'm sure she wants a nicer place but couldn't carry the mortgage on the place Jason lived in and the place she lived in.  Now that the more expensive one is on the market I see her selling both and finding a nicer place and of course renovating the whole thing.  Cuz that's the game in NYC.

[WireWrap]

56 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Bethenny is obviously just being facetious.  It's a JOKE.  She is not serious about sponsoring or collecting a fee for attending Luann's three ring circus dress event.  

I don't think she would go if Luann DID offer to pay her!

 

 

I could be wrong but I think ZMs point was that Bethenny will not stop talking about Luann/Tom/wedding. At this point, it should be "I wish them well but No, I am not going to their wedding" when asked about it, instead, she still has to get these nasty digs in and they are reflecting badly, IMO, on her.

[jinjer]

27 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I'm not sure what they bought but it was a Watermelon Lime margarita promotion and that one is pretty good.  I would say my favorite of the cocktails.  And a party bus is exactly the kind of thing a bottled cocktail is good for. 

There are a dozen pap shots of her apartment hunting and 100 snaps of she and that real estate guy apartment hunting.  There appears to be one day that Dennis was with her.  I suggest that Bethenny is apartment hunting and Dennis came with her one day.  But that doesn't make near as good a radar headline.

 

17 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Didn't she just move into a place she completely renovated, though?  One she had to buy because she was tired of living in hotels while she waited for Jason to be kicked out of the one they had shared?  The place she was shown living this season, with those huge brightly colored paintings. 

Hmm, maybe she just decided she hated it, lol.  I know I did.  

Why wouldn't she just sell the new one and move into the old one and buy Jason out if the court decided it was marital property?  Bethenny doesn't strike me as the sentimental type.  She certainly isn't a hoarder. She is lucky to have the $ to buy.  Does Dennis have a place in the city?  I think her apt. hunting with Dennis and all those bedroom shots with the back of his bald head or just a glimpse of him in the shot or the engagement ring are digs at his wife. Have the two of them filed anything yet with the courts to get the ball rolling on a divorce?

[Mrs peel]

1 hour ago, jinjer said:

 

Why wouldn't she just sell the new one and move into the old one and buy Jason out if the court decided it was marital property?  Bethenny doesn't strike me as the sentimental type.  She certainly isn't a hoarder. She is lucky to have the $ to buy.  Does Dennis have a place in the city?  I think her apt. hunting with Dennis and all those bedroom shots with the back of his bald head or just a glimpse of him in the shot or the engagement ring are digs at his wife. Have the two of them filed anything yet with the courts to get the ball rolling on a divorce?

I think the apt hunting is for publicity, since B seems to think all publicity is good publicity.  I am sure she would say she's too emotionally devastated to move back into the pay she once said was her dream (the apt with Jason and her closet).  But really - it would probably be better for Brynn for her to stay where she is.  Her father has moved, so she has new space with him, it would be better if not everything is turned upside down at the same time.

[Mrs peel]

2 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Bethenny is obviously just being facetious.  It's a JOKE.  She is not serious about sponsoring or collecting a fee for attending Luann's three ring circus dress event.  

I don't think she would go if Luann DID offer to pay her!

 

So it turns out you don't even know who the people who deserve all the credit were, but you are just sure that Bethenny herself deserves none?  

Interesting.

 

At first glance I thought you were suggesting Dennis and Bethenny were looking at buying this^^^ place, lol. I thought, damn Skinny Girl is doing better than we all thought. 

But onto more serious matters ... what the hell is she doing apartment hunting with this guy?  She can't be moving in with him already, not with her daughter in the picture.  I loathe Radar Online and I know 90% of what they print is garbage, so I can only hope this story will end up on the big pile of trash with most of their other stories. 

But here's the thing, if B doesn't care about Lu?  There is no need to say anything about the wedding.  Sure she wasn't serious, but again it's the inability to ever keep her mouth shut!  Plus, she wouldn't get an appearance if she was sponsoring an event, that's not typical.

on the article about Shields' lawsuits, that is pretty meager evidence.  The return of the escrow case must have had something else going on, because the failure to obtain a mortgage in 45 days usually results in the seller giving the buyer more time.  It looks to me like someone wanted out of the deal for other reasons.  The tax assessment - lots of people challenge their real estate taxes, it's not unusual at all.  Heck, I've done it multiple times (though where I live most people do it administratively)?

[chick binewski]

Of course I watched Wendy Williams today and was a little surprised because Wendy was giving Bethenny all kinds of love (Wendy is not hard-hitting journalism but she usually likes to throw 1 or 2 hardballs and I was also under the impression Wendy had a personal issue with B). Essentially, Wendy: dislikes Jason and called him a douche, asked why Bethenny didn't just hand over half her $$$ and get the divorce over with, asked why Bethenny doesn't just quit the show and be a business mogul which brings the real bucks. Bethenny: 'hard time getting out of the worst situation of my life', 'dress for success', 'women need to understand they can't get caught up with the wedding dress stuff'. Me: nine thousand eye-rolls.

I seriously need an RH intervention. I originally got a little too caught up with NJ & NY because I'm from the area, but now that the series is so far along the women who participate are too conscious of what they will or will not show. All that's left is for them to pick on each other or people who do not actually appear on the show.