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iMonrey

iMonrey

I've watched three episodes so far. It's really good - it gets a little funnier after the first episode, which had a lot of set-up to do. 

I have to say, though, it was a real Uncanny Valley effect with the digital de-aging of Ted Danson for the "video" at his wedding reception. I mean, we all know what Ted Danson looked like when he was young, because Cheers reruns are still airing somewhere. The computer didn't get it quite right. Kind of eerie. 

This show has a great cast! I had to keep looking up where I knew them from.

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General Days

General Days

On 11/22/2024 at 12:31 PM, iMonrey said:

I have to say, though, it was a real Uncanny Valley effect with the digital de-aging of Ted Danson for the "video" at his wedding reception. I mean, we all know what Ted Danson looked like when he was young, because Cheers reruns are still airing somewhere. The computer didn't get it quite right. Kind of eerie. 

 

It did kind of look like pre-Cheers Ted, but yeah, the whole Uncanny Valley effect was very unfortunate. I rewatched the pilot, because I dozed off the first time I watched it (because I was tired, not because of the show itself). The second time, I fast-forwarded through de-aged scene. It creeped me out.

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SomeTameGazelle

SomeTameGazelle

I have heard a lot of good things about this series and have started watching. I don't think that I have figured out the tone quite yet. For one thing I was bewildered by the fact that Julie hired Charles even though after a promising cell phone intro he seemed to be completely incompetent at the other test assignments she gave him. For another I can't believe Ted Danson as the father Emily described, too shut off and uncommunicative -- he comes across as so loose and emotionally available to me from the start.

I hope we will get to see Charles and Emily interacting more as we go.

On 11/28/2024 at 4:15 PM, Valny said:

If it's not her

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than it may be Danson's sexual rival! :

) 

Is this a spoiler? I have not yet seen a character who might be in this category.

giovannif7

giovannif7

On 11/22/2024 at 9:31 AM, iMonrey said:

I've watched three episodes so far. It's really good - it gets a little funnier after the first episode, which had a lot of set-up to do. 

I have to say, though, it was a real Uncanny Valley effect with the digital de-aging of Ted Danson for the "video" at his wedding reception. I mean, we all know what Ted Danson looked like when he was young, because Cheers reruns are still airing somewhere. The computer didn't get it quite right. Kind of eerie. 

This show has a great cast! I had to keep looking up where I knew them from.

I'm half way through, and am really enjoying the show, from the actors to the writing to the actual San Francisco location shots. Given where the technology is currently, I was surprised how close the de-aging software got to Danson's pre-Cheers look, as seen in these stills from the 1981 film Body Heat...

Ted Danson Body Heat.jpg

Ted Danson Body Heat 2.jpg

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Corgi-ears

Corgi-ears

On 11/23/2024 at 1:31 AM, iMonrey said:

I have to say, though, it was a real Uncanny Valley effect with the digital de-aging of Ted Danson for the "video" at his wedding reception.

For a split second, I was terrified that they would be using manipulated historical footage of Danson at the infamous Friars Club roast of Whoopi Goldberg. 

On 11/23/2024 at 2:43 AM, Haleth said:

Ted is always charming. 

...so, not always.

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Madding crowd

Madding crowd

I like Ted Danson and this looks to be good. The only thing I thought of was that it takes a lot of money to move into a retirement community like that; would her client front that much? I looked at assisted living and retirement places with my MIL and they all required a substantial payment up front. She actually decided to just stay in her condo because she didn’t want to give them thousands of dollars and then find out she didn’t like it.

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possibilities

possibilities

Yeah, I liked the show well enough, but the whole way through I was thinking about how most places are nothing like that, and everyone I know who was in a place other than their pre-aging/disabled home was in a world of hell. The money thing is huge. I'm sure nice places like this exist, but they're not what anybody I know can afford.

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Bastet

Bastet

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On 11/22/2024 at 9:31 AM, iMonrey said:

This show has a great cast! I had to keep looking up where I knew them from.

Even though most of them I recognized from one-off guest appearances on old shows, I didn't have to look any of them up.  I immediately recognized the actor playing the client from The Good Place and Dead to Me. The PI was in an episode of Grace & Frankie, as was the son-in-law (who, I just realized, was also in The Good Place -- Pillboi!).  The PI's assistant was in an episode of Major Crimes.  Emily was in an episode of Cold Case.  The woman who runs the home was Pilar on the One Day at a Time reboot.  I spent pretty much this entire first episode having "I know her/him!" moments.

 

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Milburn Stone

Milburn Stone

On 11/22/2024 at 11:31 AM, iMonrey said:

I have to say, though, it was a real Uncanny Valley effect with the digital de-aging of Ted Danson for the "video" at his wedding reception.

I wasn't sure that was all digital de-aging. It looked to me like some of it was done in-camera, because his hair literally looked like a plastic helmet. (Leaving only the removing of wrinkles to be done digitally.)

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chediavolo

chediavolo

On 12/1/2024 at 12:39 AM, Corgi-ears said:

For a split second, I was terrified that they would be using manipulated historical footage of Danson at the infamous Friars Club roast of Whoopi Goldberg. 

...so, not always.

This was all Whoopi. She admitted she wrote most of it. She defended it and stood by him . So both of them  were “accountable”. I found it tasteless in my opinion but of course she knew about it and should have known better. 

On 12/1/2024 at 7:27 PM, possibilities said:

Yeah, I liked the show well enough, but the whole way through I was thinking about how most places are nothing like that, and everyone I know who was in a place other than their pre-aging/disabled home was in a world of hell. The money thing is huge. I'm sure nice places like this exist, but they're not what anybody I know can afford.

These types of homes are glorified nursing homes in a way. You age in place. Once you get to a certain stage I would guess it’s no different from a nursing home. But in the meantime it is outrageously expensive . I wish I could afford it because it does look to be comforting to have everything in one place. I’ve heard good things about some of them but like I said. White collar and lower middle class people will not be able to afford this type of arrangement unfortunately. 

shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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1 hour ago, chediavolo said:

These types of homes are glorified nursing homes in a way. You age in place. Once you get to a certain stage I would guess it’s no different from a nursing home. But in the meantime it is outrageously expensive . I wish I could afford it because it does look to be comforting to have everything in one place. I’ve heard good things about some of them but like I said. White collar and lower middle class people will not be able to afford this type of arrangement unfortunately. 

Even the one gentleman I knew (a Professor) who chose to leave his home and move to an even nicer, more expensive place regretted it. 

Over 10 years my sister argued relentlessly with our mother that Mom and Dad should move to a place with independent living—> assisted living —> memory care. Mom and Dad finally agreed to visit a place and hated it.
But while Dad was in the hospital, my sister got her way. My sister didn’t make money off of selling their home to put them/Mom in the facility, she was just sure it was better. I am still haunted by the counselor who told me my withdrawn mother “misses her home.” (Mom passed 4 years ago.)

Both Mom and the Professor would have been happier paying for help at home.

I think this show could have at least touched on this aspect, but the writers were coming at it from their own experiences with Alzheimer’s.
Sometimes it’s just that the body’s mechanics don’t work as well as the mind.

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dleighg

dleighg

My dad moved to a continuing care place after my mother died. Hated it, moved to a one floor condo a year later and was very happy there, where he could cook for himself and so on. Had to give up his car after two accidents, but paid someone to take him shopping. All was good until he broke his hip. The cost of 24 hour care would have been exorbitant, so he had to move to an AL place. He hated it, and died 6 months later. Getting old is not for the faint of heart. For people, unlike my father, with out a million in the bank, the choices are even worse.

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EtheltoTillie

EtheltoTillie

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On 12/8/2024 at 9:35 PM, possibilities said:

She was also Rosa on Brooklyn 9-9! A shockingly different character.

Sheesh—totally did not recognize Stephanie Beatriz!  

On 12/1/2024 at 6:57 PM, Madding crowd said:

I like Ted Danson and this looks to be good. The only thing I thought of was that it takes a lot of money to move into a retirement community like that; would her client front that much? I looked at assisted living and retirement places with my MIL and they all required a substantial payment up front. She actually decided to just stay in her condo because she didn’t want to give them thousands of dollars and then find out she didn’t like it.

Even without the upfront deposits, the monthly charges are high.  But the PI thought they could finish within a month.  That must be some valuable necklace!  

 

On 11/30/2024 at 8:41 AM, SomeTameGazelle said:

I have heard a lot of good things about this series and have started watching. I don't think that I have figured out the tone quite yet. For one thing I was bewildered by the fact that Julie hired Charles even though after a promising cell phone intro he seemed to be completely incompetent at the other test assignments she gave him. For another I can't believe Ted Danson as the father Emily described, too shut off and uncommunicative -- he comes across as so loose and emotionally available to me from the start.

I hope we will get to see Charles and Emily interacting more as we go.

Is this a spoiler? I have not yet seen a character who might be in this category.

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Could be episode 2.  John Getz?  I’m only a little through episode 2. 

 

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lark37

lark37

On 12/5/2024 at 5:02 PM, Bastet said:

Even though most of them I recognized from one-off guest appearances on old shows, I didn't have to look any of them up.  I immediately recognized the actor playing the client from The Good Place and Dead to Me. The PI was in an episode of Grace & Frankie, as was the son-in-law (who, I just realized, was also in The Good Place -- Pillboi!).  The PI's assistant was in an episode of Major Crimes.  Emily was in an episode of Cold Case.  The woman who runs the home was Pilar on the One Day at a Time reboot.  I spent pretty much this entire first episode having "I know her/him!" moments.

 

Emily is Mary Elizabeth Ellis known to me from Always Sunny in Philadelphia as the Waitress. She's married to "always sunny" fellow actor Charlie Day. I recognized Stephanie Beatriz right away but was thrown by her real speaking voice as its so different from her Rosa voice!

My 94 yr old MIL is in a memory care unit inside an assisted living facility. She is on Medicaid. But many folks have lived in the non memory care unit there for years. They have activities and come and go as they please. They are expensive without aid, but they aren't all terrible with residents hating them. 

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chediavolo

chediavolo

On 12/11/2024 at 7:39 AM, shapeshifter said:

Even the one gentleman I knew (a Professor) who chose to leave his home and move to an even nicer, more expensive place regretted it. 

Over 10 years my sister argued relentlessly with our mother that Mom and Dad should move to a place with independent living—> assisted living —> memory care. Mom and Dad finally agreed to visit a place and hated it.
But while Dad was in the hospital, my sister got her way. My sister didn’t make money off of selling their home to put them/Mom in the facility, she was just sure it was better. I am still haunted by the counselor who told me my withdrawn mother “misses her home.” (Mom passed 4 years ago.)

Both Mom and the Professor would have been happier paying for help at home.

I think this show could have at least touched on this aspect, but the writers were coming at it from their own experiences with Alzheimer’s.
Sometimes it’s just that the body’s mechanics don’t work as well as the mind.

Yes. It seems if you can afford one of these places you can afford round the clock care maybe.  But it all depends on the caregiver. How close your home is to shopping etc.. a home in the country, especially a 2 story will be a burden. 

Shermie

Shermie

Lots of talk about retirement homes. The place in this show was where I’d like to live as a senior! But it wasn’t realistic because all the residents were very capable, no walkers or canes in sight, much less wheelchairs. If you’re that capable, you probably won’t move to an expensive retirement home.

My mother and mother-in-law both lived in retirement homes that also had a nursing home side for them to move to if needed. They only had a bedroom with a small corner for a chair and tv, with a private bathroom - basically a permanent hotel room. It was okay because it served their needs for medical care on site and meals for them. These places cost about $3000/month. There are nicer (and I assume more expensive) options in my area. Once they go to the nursing home side, there’s no cost because it’s considered health care (this is Canada).

The place shown in this show looked expensive with the menus and servers at meals, the bar and everything looked very high end. That’s okay; it’s tv. 

Ted Danson was awesome, as usual.

SoMuchTV

SoMuchTV

43 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Whereas in the States, when Mom was moved from Independent Living to Assisted Living the price went up.

It seems like we’re talking apples and oranges and bananas here. Of course when you go from independent living to assisted living, the price would go up. And when you go from assisted living to nursing care, the price would go up again. Now, whether there should be programs in place to cover or assist with those expenses is a separate question. In my experience (US), when my mother needed a lot of assistance, nothing was  covered (other than medical expenses), but when she reached the stage of needing hospice, Medicare covered everything. 

I realize now we’re in the episode thread. Maybe we need a separate chitchat thread to compare and contrast senior living options. 

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