S02.E05: That's Amore

[peachmangosteen]

Airs November 27th.

[Armchair Critic]

I enjoy it but this show makes me cringe a lot from the awkward stuff like "do you have my money?". Poor Albie thought she just liked him.

[RedDelicious]

I’m cringing at shoes on the yacht. Fitting for Portia and the Chav. 

[dmc]

Nooo to Ethan’s “considering you should be happy”.  I mean I don’t think a kiss is a big deal but lying about it all day and just to be loyal to Cameron is effed…and then his you should be happy is a NO…

Daphne definitely showed Harper her kids on purpose.  The kids flash is the universal “stay away from my man”.  Get a trainer, in other words, stay away from my husband and find a boy toy.  Also those are her trainer’s kids…

Harper is spiraling.  

Ethan is the flattest character on record.

Glad Albie is having fun and Portia’s love interest has a side piece.

33 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I’m cringing at shoes on the yacht. Fitting for Portia and the Chav. 

I did too, too much Succession I guess…

Edited November 28, 2022 by dmc

[DrSpaceman73]

Did she purposely take albie near her pimp so she would be 'caught' like that?

Harper acting out is so difficult to watch.  But Ethan and his 'you should be happy' speech......deserved to be slapped. 

In retrospect not a surprise that's not his 'uncle'  at least I hope not. 

[MerBearStare]

Lucia is so bad at her job. She doesn't get the money up front and she doesn't even tell Albie how much it'll cost until the morning.

I'm surprised Harper didn't realize what Daphne was actually telling her when Daphne showed her a picture of her kids. But I guess she did drink a lot that day.

This was the first episode Tanya was somewhat likable. Especially her "Do you have nice clothes?" to Portia. I thought Portia looked nice in the halter dress, but good lord what was she wearing when they went out at night? I've seen a lot of talk about her clothing, but honestly, Gen Z dresses terribly (they're bringing back all the worst trends from the 90s and early aughts!), so I think the wardrobe department did an excellent job with her character.

[AzureOwl]

Am I the only one reading too much into the hetero cowboy story? I'm overthinking things and wondering if it isn't Greg, and the thing Quentin would do for him even after 30 years is killing Tanya while Greg has a cast iron alibi.

[Dminches]

32 minutes ago, dmc said:

Daphne definitely showed Harper her kids on purpose.  The kids flash is the universal “stay away from my man”.  Get a trainer, in other words, stay away from my husband and find a boy toy.  Also those are her trainer’s kids…

That’s not how I took it.  I thought she was indicating that sometimes you just have to suck it up and in her case she has 2 kids to care for and protect. Why would Daphne think that Harper was interested in her husband? Harper has shown nothing but disdain for him.

[DrSpaceman73]

2 minutes ago, AzureOwl said:

Am I the only one reading too much into the hetero cowboy story? I'm overthinking things and wondering if it isn't Greg, and the thing Quentin would do for him even after 30 years is killing Tanya while Greg has a cast iron alibi.

Maybe.  I hadn't considered that. 

But Greg was supposed to be gone two days and Its been more than that 

And not sure what Greg gains  by killing her since they have a prenup..  unless it's life insurance. 

[dmc]

5 minutes ago, Dminches said:

That’s not how I took it.  I thought she was indicating that sometimes you just have to suck it up and in her case she has 2 kids to care for and protect. Why would Daphne think that Harper was interested in her husband? Harper has shown nothing but disdain for him.

Because they were obviously flirting and groping each other at the same table she was at.  Also, anytime you’re watching television and they tell you their love interest has blue eyes and blonde hair and then they show you a picture with the kid with the same stuff. That’s usually what they’re going with.  That kid belongs to her trainer.  It’s the old Lannister callback 

Edited November 28, 2022 by dmc

[One Imaginary Girl]

After reading talk online about Portia's unattractive wardrobe, I had to laugh when Tanya double-checked whether she had cute things to take to Palermo: "Are you sure?"

[MCMLXXVII]

See, I told y’all Cameron was trying to swing or I guess just “conquer” Harper 😂. So far dude is no criminal mastermind, just a horny entitled bro. 

Portia finally put together a cute outfit for her date, yay! I’m not too surprised at Jack being trade, but I’m sure she will be. I think Quentin is definitely trying to marry Tanya for palazzo upkeep money, but I don’t know if he’s necessarily nefarious. 

Albie certainly found his “wounded bird” to rescue, nothing good will come of this. Lucia’s pimp was kind of hot though. 

Yikes, Valentina needs to learn to read the room re: Isabella.  

The Dom/Bert convo was interesting, but I wonder if he’ll really change his ways.
 

Edited November 28, 2022 by MCMLXXVII

[dmc]

3 minutes ago, MCMLXXVII said:

See, I told y’all Cameron was trying to swing or I guess just “conquer” Harper 😂. So far dude is no criminal mastermind, just a horny entitled bro. 

I knew this.  I don’t think any successful plan involves Daphne telling Harper that her husband worked with Madoff types and Cameron advocating for insider trading to Ethan. These two’s only plan to get a tan. 

[Samsnee]

I’ve seen enough movies to know hookers always ask for money up front. 

[AzureOwl]

17 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

And not sure what Greg gains  by killing her since they have a prenup..  unless it's life insurance. 

Prenups cover divorce.

But I would assume in the event of her predeceasing him, Greg gets all of her money. 

[ahpny]

8 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Did she purposely take albie near her pimp so she would be 'caught' like that?

I'd like to think her emotions are real and she's not leading Albie on. But her profession - at which she apparently excels to some degree despite not getting money upfront - frequently requires a significant level of feigned emotion to give the client what he wants. How naïve can Albie really be? He's bright and earnest, but not dumb and blind. 

Jack seems to be a more nefarious type of sex-worker than Lucia. That, plus the "wouldn't you rather die than live without art" comment, were particularly foreboding. 

The couples dynamic poses interesting questions about monogamy. Clearly, the Sullivans have at least an implicit understanding that allows them to stay together, seemingly happily and lovingly, while raising two children. Harper is wrong. It's not just an act. They do care for each other, but they're just not exclusive. Why does fidelity necessarily need to be part of that if everything else works? In contrast, the Spillers are scrupulously faithful to one another and honest (eventually), but miserable and childless. By many metrics, the Sullivan's marriage seems more successful despite the infidelity of both parties. Indeed, the Spiller's marriage seems likely to end first. The core of the Sullivan marriage may not be based on monogamy, but there does seem to be real love there. Not so much with the Spillers. It's not even clear they like each other, let alone love each other. They're the couple maintaining the façade. The core of their marriage is empty.

[SoWindsor]

47 minutes ago, AzureOwl said:

Am I the only one reading too much into the hetero cowboy story? I'm overthinking things and wondering if it isn't Greg, and the thing Quentin would do for him even after 30 years is killing Tanya while Greg has a cast iron alibi.

I thought that, too! I’m confused why they’re pretending that Jack is the old dudes nephew. It was also weird that he didn’t have any money and I was wondering if the whole thing is just a big scam. I got nervous when Jack told Portia to leave the door unlocked because I figured something nefarious was going to happen.

[Sailorgirl26]

42 minutes ago, AzureOwl said:

Am I the only one reading too much into the hetero cowboy story? I'm overthinking things and wondering if it isn't Greg, and the thing Quentin would do for him even after 30 years is killing Tanya while Greg has a cast iron alibi.

FWIW, I wondered if he was playing off Brokeback Mountain. I've never seen the movie and only know peripherally what its about, so I could be completely off base. But isn't the saying that the best lies vary only slightly from the truth. . .  so theoretically building a backstory based on a movie would be fairly easy to remember. 

I like your speculation, though -- it would certainly be unexpected!  But wasn't Tanya the one who picked the location for the trip? And why would Greg say "I love you" on the phone? Quentin made it clear the feelings were not reciprocated by the cowboy -- did the cowboy even know about Quentin's feelings? It would be quite a convenient coincidence that Quentin happens to own a property there and Greg is the cowboy. 

My $0.02 is that Quentin and co. are just trying to scam Tanya for her money to maintain their lifestyle and something else is going on with Greg. 

 

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, dmc said:

Glad Albie is having fun and Portia’s love interest has a side piece.

He's clearly a rent boy who doesn't have much money on his own considering how he ran from that restaurant.  "Forgot my wallet"...sure.

42 minutes ago, MerBearStare said:

Lucia is so bad at her job. She doesn't get the money up front and she doesn't even tell Albie how much it'll cost until the morning.

She's good as a hustler managing to score a client every night but her money management isn't the best. She should have asked Cameron for the money up front because she would have discovered his money issues earlier.  But I think she played Albie pretty wisely.  I do not think he would have hired her had she told him she was an escort the night before but he does seem like the type to feel compelled to pay for it out of guilt. 

34 minutes ago, MCMLXXVII said:

See, I told y’all Cameron was trying to swing or I guess just “conquer” Harper 😂. So far dude is no criminal mastermind, just a horny entitled bro.

I still think the fact that he hasn't paid his escort bill in full indicates there might be some money issues on his end.

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Yikes, Valentina needs to learn to read the room re: Isabella. 

I truly have an issue with Valentina.  I'm just waiting until the day she walks in on her crush having sex with the guy she banished to the pool.  She's equally in appropriate as Armand in the first season.

16 minutes ago, AzureOwl said:

But I would assume in the event of her predeceasing him, Greg gets all of her money. 

I doubt he'd get all of her money unless she dies intestate.  But he'd probably get more than he'd get in the event of a divorce.

[txhorns79]

1 hour ago, dmc said:

Daphne definitely showed Harper her kids on purpose.  The kids flash is the universal “stay away from my man”.  Get a trainer, in other words, stay away from my husband and find a boy toy.  Also those are her trainer’s kids…

I think Daphne showed her the picture of the kids to let Harper know that she screws around too, and it's not a big deal to her.

18 minutes ago, ahpny said:

I'd like to think her emotions are real and she's not leading Albie on. But her profession - at which she apparently excels to some degree despite not getting money upfront - frequently requires a significant level of feigned emotion to give the client what he wants. How naïve can Albie really be? He's bright and earnest, but not dumb and blind. 

Honestly, he seems kind of dumb.  He may be very educated, but does not appear very street smart.  I think Lucia sees Albie as an easy mark.  He's kind, has already assigned her a tragic backstory where she's trafficked victim of circumstances, forced to do sex work and probably is already imagining how he is going to "save" her. 

Just now, Sailorgirl26 said:

FWIW, I wondered if he was playing off Brokeback Mountain. I've never seen the movie and only know peripherally what its about, so I could be completely off base. But isn't the saying that the best lies vary only slightly from the truth. . .  so theoretically building a backstory based on a movie would be fairly easy to remember. 

I thought Brokeback Mountain as well.  I view Queintin as a scam artist, looking at Tanya as a cash register.

40 minutes ago, AzureOwl said:

But I would assume in the event of her predeceasing him, Greg gets all of her money. 

Someone as wealthy as Tanya is supposed to be likely would have a will that spells out exactly what Greg would get should she die, and it's unlikely to be her entire fortune. 

[Armchair Critic]

He sure is a loving nephew. HA

[aghst]

Yeah I thought about Greg when Quentin describe the Wyoming cowboy.  But Quentin committing murder?

Seems like he has plenty to lose if he did that.  May not be as rich as Tanya but he has plenty of his own.

Harper doesn't have any respect for Cameran.  Why would she play along with him asking her about her sexual past?  I don't think Ethan would want to hear it in front of others or for her to talk about it at all.

What exactly does the pimp do for Lucia?  He should handle collections if Cameran isn't going to pay.  But it's strange they didn't even mention the pimp before this episode.  Seems like she was spending the money as soon as she earned it not putting aside someone else's cut.

How is Albie suppose to know he's hiring her for sex?  She didn't ask for the money upfront nor say what it would cost.  Maybe escorts with rich clients don't need to talk price ahead of time because the johns don't care how much it costs?

Harper could have just said that she's not feeling well and blow off spending time with the other couple.  She's suspicious about what happened so she'd hardly be in a mood to spend time with the guy who's a bad influence on her husband.  So she'd going to just get drunk with them?

[MCMLXXVII]

I’m going to speculate that one or more of the guests will get roughed up by Lucia’s pimp (and whatever associates he may have) and perhaps that results in a body. Like in season 1 where Kai stole the jewelry intending to hire a lawyer to get his family’s stolen land back, it was the Native Hawaiian’s revenge against forces of colonialism- the hotel itself and rich white Americans. In season 2 we have rich white American men who worship Godfather movies- what if they have to tangle with the real mafia and it’s more like “Gomorra” than “The Sopranos”? You’ve got F. Murray Abraham who was in Scarface, plus Christopher, it would be very meta .

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Edited November 28, 2022 by MCMLXXVII

[Mr. R0b0t]

I feel like this show has compelled people to profess outlandish theories instead of evaluating the episodes as presented. I guess for the "I told you so's"? 

It does feel lazy to introduce the pimp this late in the game and have him become integral to the bodies plot.  

[shapeshifter]

Quentin's home is ornate, but also hideous, IMO. 
And, as even Tanya now realizes, Jack is not his nephew. 
 

1 hour ago, dmc said:

anytime you’re watching television and they tell you their love interest has blue eyes and blonde hair and then they show you a picture with the kid with the same stuff. That’s usually what they’re going with.  That kid belongs to her trainer.

Cameron/Theo James does have brown eyes, but Daphne/Meghann Fahy has blue eyes, so Cameron could have contributed a recessive blue-eye gene, but TV writers screw up the science of eye color more often than not.
But, yeah, Daphne telling Harper that her trainer has blue eyes, and then offering to show Harper a picture of the trainer, but then showing Harper the blue-eyed son seems to be Daphne telling Harper that Cameron is willing to be father to Daphne's lover's child. 
But Cameron not paying the hookers implies he has no money.

 

3 minutes ago, aghst said:

Harper could have just said that she's not feeling well and blow off spending time with the other couple.  She's suspicious about what happened so she'd hardly be in a mood to spend time with the guy who's a bad influence on her husband.  So she'd going to just get drunk with them?

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."


 

1 minute ago, aghst said:

Yeah I thought about Greg when Quentin describe the Wyoming cowboy.  But Quentin committing murder?

Is Greg from Wyoming?


Not sure what to think of the pimp. 

Portia: Lock the f'in' door!

[Armchair Critic]

9 minutes ago, aghst said:

She's suspicious about what happened so she'd hardly be in a mood to spend time with the guy who's a bad influence on her husband.  So she'd going to just get drunk with them?

Revenge against her husband and Cameron, also she wants to out Cameron to his wife but didn't realize that Daphne already knows what he does?

[chocolatine]

Funny how Albie and Portia both unknowingly ended up with prostitutes. I hope they're all practicing safe sex.

I think Lucia made up the pimp and is playing Albie. It was a little too convenient that she and Albie "accidentally" ran into him while getting gelato. Seems like Lucia hired someone to be in the right place at the right time. Plus, if there had been a pimp, surely he would have been a topic of conversation between her and Mia at some point.

I kind of enjoyed Harper cutting loose and getting drunk after all of her passive aggressiveness so far. I think she's encouraging Cameron's groping as payback to Ethan. He was so infuriating with his condescending "you should feel good about this." 

It's interesting that Daphne's older child seems to be the trainer's. I would think that she would have been faithful in the first few years of the marriage, and only started sleeping with the trainer after she realized that Cameron would never stop cheating on her. At least she's not crying herself to sleep every night like Bert's late wife.

I nearly died laughing at Quentin's expression when Tanya asked him whether the woman on the balcony next to them was "the queen of Sicily."

[Sailorgirl26]

My take on Lucia's pimp -- he's not actually a pimp -- he's an ex-boyfriend she broke up with because of jealousy issues, him holding her back, etc., so she decided to prostitute herself to earn money in order to change her situation. The ex is jealous, possibly physically abusive, and she walked away. But in a small town, they will run into each other, and jealous exes will lash out when they see "their" woman with another man. 

Her rates are inconsistent -- she was $2K for one client, $1,300 for another. I would think if she had a pimp she had to cash up to, the rate would be consistent. Plus, there was no mention of a pimp until she couldn't/was having a hard time getting payment. It seemed a bit too convenient to me.  And she was out in the town spending money on dresses, which a pimp wouldn't "allow." 

Its an easy way to get men who might otherwise refuse to pay to pay up. They wouldn't be scared of her threats, but throw in an angry pimp, and they would be more likely to pay up. 

11 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

I nearly died laughing at Quentin's expression when Tanya asked him whether the woman on the balcony next to them was "the queen of Sicily."

That was hysterical and I do think that was likely a Jennifer Coolidge ad lib. 

[chocolatine]

2 minutes ago, Sailorgirl26 said:

Her rates are inconsistent -- she was $2K for one client, $1,300 for another. I would think if she had a pimp she had to cash up to, the rate would be consistent.

Cameron had already paid her 1800 euros, all the cash he'd claimed to have on him at the time, so the 1300 was the balance he owed her. She and Mia got 3000 from Dominic for the night they had spent together. So maybe her solo rate is 2k, and together with Mia it's 3k. The extra 100 euros she was demanding from Cameron could have been for the Molly (I have no idea how much Molly costs though).

[Traveller519]

4 minutes ago, Sailorgirl26 said:

My take on Lucia's pimp -- he's not actually a pimp -- he's an ex-boyfriend she broke up with because of jealousy issues, him holding her back, etc., so she decided to prostitute herself to earn money in order to change her situation. The ex is jealous, possibly physically abusive, and she walked away. But in a small town, they will run into each other, and jealous exes will lash out when they see "their" woman with another man. 
 

I agree. The way Lucia referred to "this guy" definitely feels like a rehearsed line to enforce guys to collect. She's made no reference to any pimp to Mia, which would seem like critical info. The guy in the street seemed like a former client or lover.

I get the feeling she can't decide if she wants to work Albie or just enjoy her time with him. I do think she genuinely likes him and her epiphany was sooner authentic, but old habits are hard to break. Or maybe I'm just as gullible as Albie.

On three notes:

I definitely took Daphne's phone picture stunt as her way of saying "I get mine too, and that's fine", I didn't sense much warning in her tone.

Haley Lu Richardson's no nudity clause has to be pretty good for her character to wake up in shorts and a t-shirt after a drunken hook-up.

The White Lotus' Sexual Harrassment Policy needs some work.

[thuganomics85]

After mainly keeping the female nudity to fleeting in the past, I'm choosing to believe Lucia's extensive topless sex scene was because some HBO executive finally kicked Mike White's door down and was like "Listen here, Mike!  We're already over halfway into this season and we still haven't had any major female nudity here!  Gets some breasts in there, stat!" to him.  Of course, he made sure to counter all of that with lots and lots of male butts, naturally!

I figured something was going down with Quentin and that Portia hooking up with Jack wasn't going to end well, but I wasn't predicting all of that!  So, is Jack actually Quentin's nephew or is he just simply his boy-toy?  Either way, I can only imagine how Tanya is going to handle this little revelation.  And I still think Quentin is up to something.  His big speech about his one-sided crush on the cowboy in Wyoming is clearly going to be a factor going forward.

Right now, I think Lucia is both playing Albie but does actually kind of like him in a weird way.  I do think she sincerely enjoys his company over the normal clients she deals with, but when it all comes down to it, she's going to make sure she gets paid.  The whole pimp reveal seems a bit random and late in the game, so I'm wondering if that guy is actually that or part of her scheme.

Whelp, once the wine begins to flow, Harper has no qualms throwing down!  Granted, Ethan handled the initial confrontation in almost the worst way possible, so it's not surprising that she's going to stir the pot now.  If looks could kill, both Harper and Cameron would have taken each other out by now.  But Daphne is the one that I'm most curious about.  Not only admits she has her own side piece, but even seems to state that at least one of their kids is actually not Cameron's.  She might play up the happy, go-lucky wife and maybe she really does love Cameron still, but she clearly is someone who knows about everything that is going on around her.

Dammit, Valentina!  I like you, but you are clearly letting your feelings for Isabella effect your worth ethic, play favorites, and are probably walking into a harassment complaint or two at the rate you are going.  The White Lotus HR Department really needs to get all of their branches some new training.

Did like seeing some normally meek characters finally step up like Ethan calling out Cameron about how he treats him (the "I'm more successful then you now" bit clearly landed) and Dominic pointing out how Bert failed him as a parent.

[ZeeEnnui]

20 minutes ago, Sailorgirl26 said:

My take on Lucia's pimp -- he's not actually a pimp -- he's an ex-boyfriend she broke up with because of jealousy issues, him holding her back, etc., so she decided to prostitute herself to earn money in order to change her situation. The ex is jealous, possibly physically abusive, and she walked away. But in a small town, they will run into each other, and jealous exes will lash out when they see "their" woman with another man. 

Her rates are inconsistent -- she was $2K for one client, $1,300 for another. I would think if she had a pimp she had to cash up to, the rate would be consistent. Plus, there was no mention of a pimp until she couldn't/was having a hard time getting payment. It seemed a bit too convenient to me.  And she was out in the town spending money on dresses, which a pimp wouldn't "allow." 

Its an easy way to get men who might otherwise refuse to pay to pay up. They wouldn't be scared of her threats, but throw in an angry pimp, and they would be more likely to pay up. 

I vaguely remember in the first episode Lucia and Mia discussing someone named Alessio. I got the impression it was an ex-boyfriend as well. Lucia is not a good hooker. No set rates, no money upfront, and targeting the son of the man who booked her for the week and is allowing her and Mia to charge to his room and hang around the hotel. If I were Albie's dad, I would have told Valentina that Lucia and Mia were no longer his guests and to ban them from the hotel. 

Albie, Albie, Albie. Sweet summer child. He's no gone from nice guy to nice guy that is going to save the hooker with a heart of gold. [eye roll]. Stanford clearly is not sending their brightest students out into the world. 

Cameron is such a sleaze. It was good to finally see some fear. I don't love passive aggressive bullshit but can't blame Harper for making everyone squirm. Ethan is so cute, and so dull. At least, he got off a few good zingers at dinner with Cameron. It was that moment where you can see that he and Harper probably connected over a shared edge that has dulled over the years. 

The Valentina storyline is so cringe. I wish it wasn't a redux of the Armand plot line from season one. Maybe have Valentina fixate on this character for another reason that isn't a crush. The White Lotus hotel chain is seriously a five star HR headache starting with the front desk. 

Well, I didn't think that the hot Brit was Quentin's nephew (unless they have some Lannister/Targaryen blood in the family tree) but didn't expect that. Tanya, this is why we knock. 

I find it very hard to believe that a resort as exclusive at The White Lotus does not have a backup lounge lizard. It's not like Mia's piano fling worked seven days a week. Most good hotels have different entertainers to keep people from falling asleep before their gnocchi is served. 

Theory - the bodies found at the hotel are that of Cameron, Albie, Dom, and Lucia. All slept with Lucia, and were all killed out of jealousy by Alessio. Lucia did worry something bad would happen because of her sex work. 

[chocolatine]

41 minutes ago, ZeeEnnui said:

Tanya, this is why we knock. 

Only Tanya would, as a guest in someone else's home, upon hearing sex noises from her host's bedroom, decide to walk over there and open the door.

[LEILANI2]

So much to unpack but the one thing that came to mind for me: what if Tanya's husband isn't back because he's one of the three bodies in the water.

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

Only Tanya would, as a guest in someone else's home, upon hearing sex noises from her host's bedroom, decide to walk over there and open the door.

Yes if you're the guest in a house full of gay men and here grunting late at night, just put on some headphones.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Theme of this episode - knowledge is power!

Ethan mansplaining to Harper to avoid accountability, it's so pathetic.

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“Honestly, I kind of think you should feel good about this. I mean I didn’t do anything. All of that was going…like under those circumstances, and then I didn’t do anything?”

Ethan talking about mimetic desire, this is his mic drop. Cameron's reaction is priceless.

A classic manoeuvre by Quentin and Jack - splitting up Tanya and Portia, they divide and conquer.

Alessio is not Lucia's pimp. We caught a glimpse of him in episode 1. While walking to the boat with Mia, Lucia bumped into him on the street and she greeted him in a friendly manner. She is playing a long game.

Edited November 28, 2022 by SnazzyDaisy

[Hava]

I don't know why I'm hoping for a happy ending for Lucia and Albie. It's The White Lotus--no one ends up happy. 

[One Imaginary Girl]

Alessio could even be Lucia's brother. There's a reason we didn't get a translation of their exchange.

[rhygirl720]

7 hours ago, AzureOwl said:

Am I the only one reading too much into the hetero cowboy story? I'm overthinking things and wondering if it isn't Greg, and the thing Quentin would do for him even after 30 years is killing Tanya while Greg has a cast iron alibi.

no! 100% what I thought.

[dmc]

7 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Cameron/Theo James does have brown eyes, but Daphne/Meghann Fahy has blue eyes, so Cameron could have contributed a recessive blue-eye gene, but TV writers screw up the science of eye color more often than not

Eye color is complicated.  I have parents that both have brown eyes, my sister has brown too.  My brother has green and I have blue.  But tv science this is a closed case.  Daphne said the trainer has blonde hair and big blue eyes and that kid had white blonde hair and big blue eyes.  In real life, this could easily be Cameron’s kid.  But Daphne looks at the picture before she shows Harper, it’s not accident. 

1 hour ago, rhygirl720 said:

Am I the only one reading too much into the hetero cowboy story? I'm overthinking things and wondering if it isn't Greg, and the thing Quentin would do for him even after 30 years is killing Tanya while Greg has a cast iron alibi.

I read into it that’s the its sort of the plot of the movie/book Power of the Dog only he made the cowboy heterosexual. The whole time I was like did this happen or did this guy make this up based on this movie. 
 

also I would die for beauty. I could listen to him talk about life/opera forever and maybe made up love stories.

Harper in a resort full of men, why hit on the married one? 

Edited November 28, 2022 by dmc

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, ZeeEnnui said:

vaguely remember in the first episode Lucia and Mia discussing someone named Alessio.

Oh! Wasn’t “Alessio” the name of Mia’s boyfriend who dumped her that she and Lucia mentioned in the first episode? Mia was depressed about her boyfriend finding a new girlfriend?

 
 
Quentin telling Tanya that he loves no person is kind of like confessing to her that he’s a heartless sociopath. 
And then he tells her she’d rather be dead than live without beauty. 
But there don’t seem to be enough episodes left for Quentin to convince Tanya to kill herself and leave her money to him. 
Anyway, those huge old oil paintings looked like they may or may not be worth millions.

[AzureOwl]

8 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

Someone as wealthy as Tanya is supposed to be likely would have a will that spells out exactly what Greg would get should she die, and it's unlikely to be her entire fortune. 

Why not? Who else would get it?

Tanya doesn't appear to have any kids or close family, and she certainly isn't the type to leave it all to charities. 

And even if the prenup only assigns him say 10%, that's still 50 million dollars.

7 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Is Greg from Wyoming?

Don't recall. But he does work for the Bureau of Land Management, which is a cowboy adjacent occupation if I ever heard one. 

6 hours ago, chocolatine said:

I think Lucia made up the pimp and is playing Albie. It was a little too convenient that she and Albie "accidentally" ran into him while getting gelato. Seems like Lucia hired someone to be in the right place at the right time. Plus, if there had been a pimp, surely he would have been a topic of conversation between her and Mia at some point.

I definitively think she made him up. She only started mentioning him when she started dealing with the infatuated dumbass with delusions of being a white knight.  

6 hours ago, Sailorgirl26 said:

My take on Lucia's pimp -- he's not actually a pimp -- he's an ex-boyfriend she broke up with because of jealousy issues, him holding her back, etc., so she decided to prostitute herself to earn money in order to change her situation. The ex is jealous, possibly physically abusive, and she walked away. But in a small town, they will run into each other, and jealous exes will lash out when they see "their" woman with another man. 

That doesn't fit with the friendly manner she greeted him in her very first scene.

6 hours ago, ZeeEnnui said:

I vaguely remember in the first episode Lucia and Mia discussing someone named Alessio. 

I just went back and checked. When Lucia catches up with Mia, Mia is moping about someone named Massimo, Lucia drags her to see the boat come in and along the way Lucia greets Alessio in passing.

ETA: One additional point I just thought off that makes it unlikely that Alessio is Lucia's pimp is that by this point he would be the one trying to collected the money owed from Cameron, not Lucia.   

Edited November 28, 2022 by AzureOwl

[overtherainbow]

Another plot twist theory - Alessio, Lucia, and Mia are all working together and Alessio's planning to stage a robbery and rough up the men they've slept with a bit, pretending to be the pimp. It's all part of the plan. Since they likely know what's valuable in the rooms from sleeping with them and scoping it out (I'm sure if nothing else Daphne has a nice jewelry box and perhaps Dominic  keeps some cash on him and has an expensive watch or two lying around).

They'd then have an alibi, and Alessio can lie low for a while with the valuables while the investigations happen. But because they're not that intelligent it gets botched similarly to how the 'robbery' went in the first season and a bunch of them end up dead. 

[Baltimore Betty]

When Jack and Portia ran from the restaurant it occurred to me that he was penniless because "uncle" Q did not give him any money.  It was then I realized that Jack's job is to keep Portia away from Tanya as much as possible so Q could work on his mark.  Jack's other job (Job #1) is to be a boy toy for Q.  I would not be shocked to find out that the house in Palermo is not even Q's...in one second I thought of Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's without the funny stuff.  Tanya knows Quinten is gay why is she so excited at him holding her hand at the opera?  

Quinten's story about a Wyoming cowboy is suspicious but Tanya is too daft to put two and two together. 

Tanya walking in on Uncle and Jack was unfortunate and if she tells Portia what she saw Portia will not believe her and think she is jealous and wants to ruin things between Jack and her.

I recognized the tall, thin man with the crazy grey hair from "Emily in Paris."

My prediction of who the bodies are in the water, one could be Portia but I have no thoughts on the others that would make sense of who would be with her.

My question about the timing is Greg left the resort two days prior to the trip to Palermo, Tanya and Portia would be there two days, Greg said he would be back in two days...did I miss Tanya telling l him to not come back?

Valentina is an HR issue waiting to be filed.  Isabella is not in to her.

[janiema]

I wonder whether Mt. Etna erupts at some point in the series?

[catsitter]

57 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

When Jack and Portia ran from the restaurant it occurred to me that he was penniless because "uncle" Q did not give him any money.  It was then I realized that Jack's job is to keep Portia away from Tanya as much as possible so Q could work on his mark.  Jack's other job (Job #1) is to be a boy toy for Q.  I would not be shocked to find out that the house in Palermo is not even Q's...in one second I thought of Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's without the funny stuff.  Tanya knows Quinten is gay why is she so excited at him holding her hand at the opera?  

Quinten's story about a Wyoming cowboy is suspicious but Tanya is too daft to put two and two together. 

Tanya walking in on Uncle and Jack was unfortunate and if she tells Portia what she saw Portia will not believe her and think she is jealous and wants to ruin things between Jack and her.

I recognized the tall, thin man with the crazy grey hair from "Emily in Paris."

My prediction of who the bodies are in the water, one could be Portia but I have no thoughts on the others that would make sense of who would be with her.

My question about the timing is Greg left the resort two days prior to the trip to Palermo, Tanya and Portia would be there two days, Greg said he would be back in two days...did I miss Tanya telling l him to not come back?

Valentina is an HR issue waiting to be filed.  Isabella is not in to her.

I was also thinking the house might not really belong to Quentin. We saw in a previous episode that you can rent those places by the night!

[Irlandesa]

I do think it's possible Quentin is trying to scam Tanya.  I do not think his plan is to try to kill Tanya for Greg.  If the plan is to kill Tanya, it might certainly be taking suspicion off of Greg considering he's in the US, but the time they're spending with her would put a lot of suspicion on them.

As for Greg, I believe he said he is from all over.  He moved around a lot with the BLM.

[CarpeFelis]

9 hours ago, ZeeEnnui said:

Cameron is such a sleaze. It was good to finally see some fear. I don't love passive aggressive bullshit but can't blame Harper for making everyone squirm. Ethan is so cute, and so dull. At least, he got off a few good zingers at dinner with Cameron. It was that moment where you can see that he and Harper probably connected over a shared edge that has dulled over the years.

Some of the comments have said Harper is flirting with Cameron and groping him back, but it didn’t come across that way to me. She moved away when he put his hand on her leg. I can see where Cameron would think her comments are a come-on, but she’s really just trying to make him and Ethan squirm.

Ethan reminds me of a guy I had a huge crush on in my twenties. Very cute but once I got to know him he turned out to be pretty boring, not at all like I’d thought he’d be.

[DoubleUTeeEff]

12 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

I’m cringing at shoes on the yacht. Fitting for Portia and the Chav. 

Sails out, Nails out!

12 hours ago, MerBearStare said:

This was the first episode Tanya was somewhat likable. Especially her "Do you have nice clothes?" to Portia.

Interesting, I took it completely differently. I thought Tanya wanted to make sure Portia didn't embarrass her in front of "the gays."

11 hours ago, ahpny said:

The couples dynamic poses interesting questions about monogamy. Clearly, the Sullivans have at least an implicit understanding that allows them to stay together, seemingly happily and lovingly, while raising two children. Harper is wrong. It's not just an act. They do care for each other, but they're just not exclusive. Why does fidelity necessarily need to be part of that if everything else works? In contrast, the Spillers are scrupulously faithful to one another and honest (eventually), but miserable and childless. By many metrics, the Sullivan's marriage seems more successful despite the infidelity of both parties.

I do think Daphne and Cameron truly love each other but I think Daphne would much rather be monogamous. Her comments about "making yourself okay with it" and "I feel like you sow your wild oats when you're young and then are done with it" seem to indicate to me that she has compromised in this marriage, not that she is totally cool with an open marriage. She's chosen to go along with it but I think she would choose otherwise if she could. As for Harper and Ethan, I think that they do actually love each other as well but as friends rather than romantic partners. As to one couple raising kids and the other child-free, I've got to violently disagree that is a metric for a successful relationship. Some people want kids and some people don't. Either is fine. Plus, Daphne seems way more into the kids than Cameron does. In the earlier episodes, she was concerned with checking in with them and Cameron didn't seem concerned about it at all. Maybe Cameron financially provides for his kids, but I get the feeling Daphne does most of the raising and caring of and for them.

9 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

So, is Jack actually Quentin's nephew or is he just simply his boy-toy? 

"Nephew" is just a euphemism for rent boy.

3 hours ago, dmc said:

Harper in a resort full of men, why hit on the married one? 

I think she is trying to cause maximum pain to Ethan. Who better to fool around with than the guy who has been an asshole to your husband all his life?

I can't believe Ethan told Harper that "she should be happy" that he didn't cheat on her even though he had the means and opportunity. He is the worst.

9 hours ago, Traveller519 said:

I get the feeling she can't decide if she wants to work Albie or just enjoy her time with him. I do think she genuinely likes him and her epiphany was sooner authentic, but old habits are hard to break. Or maybe I'm just as gullible as Albie.

I think she is using Albie to get to L.A. Didn't she say something about wishing she lived in L.A.? Or was that Mia?

[CarpeFelis]

4 minutes ago, DoubleUTeeEff said:

I think she is using Albie to get to L.A. Didn't she say something about wishing she lived in L.A.? Or was that Mia?

Yes, that was Lucia. She said it to both Dominic and Albie.

[iMonrey]

Uncle Fucker!