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S02.E05: That's Amore


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3 hours ago, sheetmoss said:

The Talented Mr Ripley vibes

Absolutely.  I love this book and film. He thinks his proximity to Cameron will make him cool.  But alas all the money the world could not make Ethan cool. 

11 hours ago, carrps said:

Eh. I don't think Harper is attracted to Cameron. She finds him as repulsive as I do. When he tried to grope her in the restaurant, she moved his hand away and scooched over in her chair as far from him as she could go.

It’s not about attraction, it’s about power. Harper is as attracted to power as Cameron is. She likes holding him in her thrall while pushing him away.  Because if she gives in the power shifts.  

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Something just dawned on me.  Ethan's comeback to Cameron means he knew the entire time Cameron was undressing in front of Harper it meant something and still lied to Harper and told her didn't mean anything.  

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On 11/28/2022 at 10:47 AM, dmc said:

And then she slept with Albie...no mention of $$$ or expectation for him to pay.  A lot of men would have told her to eff off.

I think she is playing a longer game with Albie, that she sees him as a way to go to LA.  I'm not sure it will work, but that's what she wants.  Also, she may like having sex with someone young and less experienced who won't demand anything from her. 

I think Dom will be one of the dead bodies, and he will have killed himself.

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6 hours ago, dmc said:

Absolutely.  I love this book and film. He thinks his proximity to Cameron will make him cool.  But alas all the money the world could not make Ethan cool. 

It’s not about attraction, it’s about power. Harper is as attracted to power as Cameron is. She likes holding him in her thrall while pushing him away.  Because if she gives in the power shifts.  

While at the same time, finding him disgusting.

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19 minutes ago, MBayGal said:

I think she is playing a longer game with Albie, that she sees him as a way to go to LA.  I'm not sure it will work, but that's what she wants.  Also, she may like having sex with someone young and less experienced who won't demand anything from her. 

I think Dom will be one of the dead bodies, and he will have killed himself.

ohh that makes sense

2 minutes ago, carrps said:

While at the same time, finding him disgusting.

Yes some people are attracted to people they find disgusting...I don't get it either

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On 11/28/2022 at 8:44 AM, overtherainbow said:

Another plot twist theory - Alessio, Lucia, and Mia are all working together and Alessio's planning to stage a robbery and rough up the men they've slept with a bit, pretending to be the pimp. It's all part of the plan. Since they likely know what's valuable in the rooms from sleeping with them and scoping it out (I'm sure if nothing else Daphne has a nice jewelry box and perhaps Dominic  keeps some cash on him and has an expensive watch or two lying around).

Didn't Dom introduce an expensive piece of jewelry earlier this season, something for Albie's mother? And didn't a theft from a hotel room by a motivated local play a part in Season 1's story?

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On 11/28/2022 at 4:20 PM, Hava said:

I'm disappointed that they turned Valentina's character into a repressed, predatory lesbian who is also a misandrist. It was much more interesting when she was a no-nonsense boss who has little time for street harassment by men (not because she actually hates men (ugh) but because street harassment is actually annoying and sometimes scary), but who is genuinely moved by one of her employees giving her a compliment. 

Same. I liked her better when she was a hard-nosed and all business.

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I think Bert is going to be one of the bodies. We’ve gotten a few references to him hitting his head. I could see him having another fall or hitting his head that takes him out. Not sure how he’d end up in the water, but there’s groundwork of multiple head injuries.

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On 11/28/2022 at 4:17 PM, MrWhyt said:

see that is at least based on stuff we've seen in the show.  Contrast that to the "Greg has hired Quentin to kill Tanya" theory which presumes that:

A. Greg wants Tanya dead

2. Instead of pushing her off a cliff or arranging some other "accident" on their Vespa ride he decides to contract it out to his gay not lover from 30-40 years ago

iii. Once Quentin accepts the offer he decides the best course of action is to hang out with his target and a gaggle of witnesses. Take her out on a yacht, treat her to the opera, have her stay over and then at some point dispatch her?

Yes Greg is acting shady and may be cheating on Tanya. Obviously Quentin has kept some things hidden from her, but these do not add up to an elaborate murder plot.

Am I the only one who doesn’t care who is dead? I find the storylines in front of us interesting enough without trying to guess who is dead. Bottom line is all these people are miserable. It doesn’t matter who is dead because the ones who aren’t will go on with their miserable lives despite not being dead.

I would much rather commiserate about who dumb Albie is being or laugh about Tanya calling out Portia (FINALLY!) for her hideous clothes.

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22 hours ago, sheetmoss said:

You can't sit there barely communicating and have no personality and expect people to go for you. 

Being handsome helps. I find (sober) Harper just as dull. Drunk Harper is almost mean enough to be interesting.  Almost. 

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On 11/27/2022 at 10:37 PM, DrSpaceman73 said:

Maybe.  I hadn't considered that. 

But Greg was supposed to be gone two days and Its been more than that 

And not sure what Greg gains  by killing her since they have a prenup..  unless it's life insurance. 

Prenup would govern in case of divorce.  If she dies, it would be a will.  (It’s possible the prenup could also stipulate what happens in the event of death but usually people only want a prenup in case there’s a divorce and they don’t want their ex to get what the court would award them.  If there’s a death, presumably the parties would have still been getting along and the deceased would want their spouse to have what they leave to them in the will).  

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On 11/27/2022 at 10:43 PM, dmc said:

I knew this.  I don’t think any successful plan involves Daphne telling Harper that her husband worked with Madoff types and Cameron advocating for insider trading to Ethan. These two’s only plan to get a tan. 

This was pretty much telegraphed from the time he undressed in front of her and also the fact that she and Ethan haven’t had sex once yet.  The only question is whether it will be a threesome with Daphne.

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On 11/27/2022 at 10:33 PM, Dminches said:

That’s not how I took it.  I thought she was indicating that sometimes you just have to suck it up and in her case she has 2 kids to care for and protect. Why would Daphne think that Harper was interested in her husband? Harper has shown nothing but disdain for him.

I don’t think they’re the trainer’s kids.  She loves her husband, and there’s nothing obviously physically deficient about him that she wouldn’t want his genes for her children.  I could see some kind of accident happening, perhaps, but not more than once.  I don’t know why she showed that picture.  She could’ve picked up on a vibe from her hubby and Harper, after all, she knows he cheats.   But I’m not sure if she saw what was going on under the table. 

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12 minutes ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

This was pretty much telegraphed from the time he undressed in front of her and also the fact that she and Ethan haven’t had sex once yet.  The only question is whether it will be a threesome with Daphne.

Or if it just Harper and Cameron then Cameron would arrange the tryst so that Ethan and Daphne (feigning shock), would walk in on them.  Divide and conquer.

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On 11/27/2022 at 11:39 PM, txhorns79 said:

I think Daphne showed her the picture of the kids to let Harper know that she screws around too, and it's not a big deal to her.

Honestly, he seems kind of dumb.  He may be very educated, but does not appear very street smart.  I think Lucia sees Albie as an easy mark.  He's kind, has already assigned her a tragic backstory where she's trafficked victim of circumstances, forced to do sex work and probably is already imagining how he is going to "save" her. 

I thought Brokeback Mountain as well.  I view Queintin as a scam artist, looking at Tanya as a cash register.

Someone as wealthy as Tanya is supposed to be likely would have a will that spells out exactly what Greg would get should she die, and it's unlikely to be her entire fortune. 

I’m not sure about that- who else does she have to leave it to?  She’s pretty lonely.  Presuming she’s happily married when she dies, I see know reason she wouldn’t want him to have it.  In a divorce, no, but death, yes. 

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46 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Or if it just Harper and Cameron then Cameron would arrange the tryst so that Ethan and Daphne (feigning shock), would walk in on them.  Divide and conquer.

I think Harper is way too much work to seduce. Cameron seems kind of lazy.

I think everyone who is thinking there are cons and scams going on are on the right track. Tonya kind of screams "mark" and she has a ditzy assistant. I don't know Quentin's end game but maybe he wants to sell her the place or wants to hit her up to pay for something. 

Running out on a bill is just the kind of "edgy" adventure a bored American woman might enjoy. He can also use it as proof that he really has no money and needs help getting home or something outlandish. He may be running a smaller scam.

I kind of wonder now if we'll see Albie and Portia reunite in the end having had a European adventure with other people. They will return to the "safe" option. Albie will be a little be happier about being with her, but Portia will be grateful he is safe and behaves in a way she can manage. 

Weirdly I think Harper and Ethan will have sex and everything will be pushed down again and they will go on.

I love the Talented Mr. Ripley but Theo James is no Jude Law! Jude was at peak beauty in that film. Another Ripley film is being made BTW. There are 4 or 5 books. The divine Andrew Scott is Ripley. Yum.

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On 11/28/2022 at 9:27 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

When Jack and Portia ran from the restaurant it occurred to me that he was penniless because "uncle" Q did not give him any money.  It was then I realized that Jack's job is to keep Portia away from Tanya as much as possible so Q could work on his mark.  Jack's other job (Job #1) is to be a boy toy for Q.  I would not be shocked to find out that the house in Palermo is not even Q's...in one second I thought of Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's without the funny stuff.  Tanya knows Quinten is gay why is she so excited at him holding her hand at the opera?  

Quinten's story about a Wyoming cowboy is suspicious but Tanya is too daft to put two and two together. 

Tanya walking in on Uncle and Jack was unfortunate and if she tells Portia what she saw Portia will not believe her and think she is jealous and wants to ruin things between Jack and her.

I recognized the tall, thin man with the crazy grey hair from "Emily in Paris."

My prediction of who the bodies are in the water, one could be Portia but I have no thoughts on the others that would make sense of who would be with her.

My question about the timing is Greg left the resort two days prior to the trip to Palermo, Tanya and Portia would be there two days, Greg said he would be back in two days...did I miss Tanya telling l him to not come back?

Valentina is an HR issue waiting to be filed.  Isabella is not in to her.

I think Tania mentioned possibly having the marriage annulled when she was eating breakfast with Portia.  So maybe she told him not to bother coming back.  

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13 minutes ago, jeansheridan said:

Tonya kind of screams "mark" and she has a ditzy assistant. I don't know Quentin's end game but maybe he wants to sell her the place or wants to hit her up to pay for something. 

Let's not discount Quentin's recounting the legend of the woman who was killed for the palatial estate.😵
And, yes about the "ditzy" assistant. I would love to have an assistant, but would have to be good with finances and trustworthy, plus a people person. Portia is none of the above.


 

13 minutes ago, jeansheridan said:

Running out on a bill is just the kind of "edgy" adventure a bored American woman might enjoy.

Portia remarked about how she could have been arrested, which is pretty scary in a foreign country, and I didn't get the impression that is was "fun" scary.

19 minutes ago, jeansheridan said:

I kind of wonder now if we'll see Albie and Portia reunite in the end having had a European adventure with other people. They will return to the "safe" option. Albie will be a little be happier about being with her, but Portia will be grateful he is safe and behaves in a way she can manage. 

If this👆 happens, Mr. & Mrs. Albie-Portia will be the new equivalent of Ethan and Harper. 😶

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1 hour ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

I don’t think they’re the trainer’s kids.  She loves her husband, and there’s nothing obviously physically deficient about him that she wouldn’t want his genes for her children.  I could see some kind of accident happening, perhaps, but not more than once.  I don’t know why she showed that picture.  She could’ve picked up on a vibe from her hubby and Harper, after all, she knows he cheats.   But I’m not sure if she saw what was going on under the table. 

I agree they aren't the trainers' kids. Maybe you quoted my post instead of the one I quoted.

I think she showed her that picture to let Harper know that he focus is her kids and that's how she, in part, deals with her husbands cheating.

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1 hour ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

I think Tania mentioned possibly having three marriage annulled when she was eating breakfast with Portia.  So maybe she told him not to bother coming back.  

She did offer to Greg to look at the prenup again but he still ran out on her.

If she's not sure about Greg, even considering annulment, it's doubtful she'd hav changed her will to make him a beneficiary to a big part of it.

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2 hours ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

This was pretty much telegraphed from the time he undressed in front of her and also the fact that she and Ethan haven’t had sex once yet.  The only question is whether it will be a threesome with Daphne.

LOL 

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On 11/28/2022 at 2:59 PM, MrWhyt said:

i've noticed a trend of this in tv posters in general, not just this show.. People hearing hoofbeats and instead of thinking of horse, jumping past zebras to miniature unicorn ponies.

Agree with this.  Except I did think it was awfully quick how Tanya was adopted by these gay guys- maybe it was just lazy writing, but it should have been built up more in previous episodes, with her maybe saying hi to them or getting to know them a little.  So that’s what’s leading people to think maybe they targeted her.  People sometimes do pretend they have more money than they do, especially when scamming people.  It requires an initial investment they hope to make back.    How about:  they rented the villa and the yacht using money from Tanya that Greg gave them without her knowing!  

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On 11/28/2022 at 6:13 PM, Ireland77 said:

I think that he is somehow trying to scam her (I do not believe he is planning on killing her as a favor to Greg, his long lost hetero love from 30 years ago - that is hardly plausible).  If there was no scam, I cannot see a reason for pretending Jack is his nephew, nor can I see why Greg would allow his rent boy/boy toy/escort to fuck Portia on Greg's dime. 

Greg WAS extremely upset that Portia came along.  Perhaps it interferes with his plan.  And then maybe they brought the rent boy along to distract her.  

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Quentin have ulterior motives.  What made me suspect him was when Tanya said, as she toured the villa, something to the effect of it's nice to be with people who are rich so she didn't need to worry they were after her money.  Bells went off when I heard that.

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I just binged all of Season 1 and up to current on Season 2 over the last several days.  

I love the weird energy of this show!  At first I preferred Season 1 because the characters were a little more likable immediately and Armond was so fun to watch.  But I have to say I have become absolutely engrossed over the last 2 episodes of Season 2!  For one thing, I find Coolidge much less annoying this season, and actually am laughing at some of her acting choices.  I was really on the edge of my seat imagining what awful thing might happen to Tanya and Portia at the estate with the nefarious gays and the rent boy. 

Everything going on with the 2 couples seems a lot more serious and deep than anything that transpired in Season 1.  I really like how each episode is a good hour + because it really gives us time to kind of feel like we are spending a lot of time with these people.  

I thought Valentina was going to be a hoot but where they have taken her character is disappointing. I wish there was more of a focus on the staff like there was last season.    

I like the way the 2 local girls are sort of the energetic thread loosely tying almost everyone together.  Can't wait to see what happens next and so happy there is an extra episode this season!

I do hope we get to see some more excursions outside of the hotel before the season is over---seems like some of these people barely leave the resort!  I know if I was there I would be trying to see everything I could in the time I had in such a beautiful place.

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15 hours ago, Sailorgirl26 said:

I think Bert is going to be one of the bodies. We’ve gotten a few references to him hitting his head. I could see him having another fall or hitting his head that takes him out. Not sure how he’d end up in the water, but there’s groundwork of multiple head injuries.

Yeah, I mentioned this to my sister while we were watching. Poor Bert and his head.

4 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

I love the Talented Mr. Ripley but Theo James is no Jude Law! Jude was at peak beauty in that film. Another Ripley film is being made BTW. There are 4 or 5 books. The divine Andrew Scott is Ripley. Yum.

Patricia Highsmith is one of my favorite authors. It'd be nice if they made the entire Ripley saga. And, yeah, Theo James is no Jude Law. Sadly, even Jude Law isn't Jude Law any more. Sigh. I stopped watching The Time Traveler's Wife because he was so off-putting and unappealing.

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When Q asked Tanya if she would die for beauty I thought “ what on earth would that mean”. But now I’m thinking of the story of the woman who fell to the rocks and Tanya’s conversation with Portia saying that she called her lawyer to see about annulling her marriage and I’ve decided that one way T could die for beauty is if she changed her will to leave money for Q or the estate and then died. 

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4 hours ago, Dminches said:

I think she showed her that picture to let Harper know that he focus is her kids and that's how she, in part, deals with her husbands cheating.

I think that's what it was too. There was a certain loneliness on Daphne when she showed Harper the picture, it wasn't anything threatening at all. I think she's telling Harper to cut it off - she knew where Harper was going with her story - and that she will stay with Cameron despite his cheating ways because of those two kids.

My take on her "Get yourself a trainer too," is that Harper needs a major distraction so she's not entirely obsessed with Ethan. For Daphne, it's the kids - not that her kids are a distraction, but something that takes her mind off Cameron's cheating and gives her a reason to stay and be happy in their marriage.

1 hour ago, watch2much said:

Quentin have ulterior motives.  What made me suspect him was when Tanya said, as she toured the villa, something to the effect of it's nice to be with people who are rich so she didn't need to worry they were after her money.  Bells went off when I heard that.

Not only that - Tanya basically told him her entire life story while in the yacht. So Quentin knows she has 500M~, or at least worth that. 

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How will Tanya get her marriage annulled? They have had sex, they weren't forced to marry, they have a prenup, maybe I do not not know how annullments work but at this point wouldn't they just get a divorce if they have a prenup? It is not like Tanya is some misquided 20 year old and wants to have a church wedding if she were to get married again. 

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20 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

How will Tanya get her marriage annulled? They have had sex, they weren't forced to marry, they have a prenup, maybe I do not not know how annullments work but at this point wouldn't they just get a divorce if they have a prenup? It is not like Tanya is some misquided 20 year old and wants to have a church wedding if she were to get married again. 

It's not unheard of. There  have been couples who have been married for 20 years with multiple kids and still got their marriage annulled. It's a much longer process and more expensive than a divorce, but it can get done. With all of her money, I'm sure Tanya can get herself a good lawyer who can make the argument that their marriage is null and void from the start.

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I just want to say, five episodes in, and I'm really enjoying this season. I find the characters much more interesting and nefarious as compared to the first season. The rich family problems and the newlywed couple issues just didn't do anything for me. So far, the conflicts between the frenemy couples, the 3 generations of messed up men and the prostitutes make for much more dynamic conflicts.

And Tanya - it's fascinating that it seems like she will be the one taken advantage of this time during the vacation. Last season, because she was in the power position with the spa worker, it was easy for her to be dismissive of the worker when she called their deal off, and not worry one bit over it. This time, and also because she's in a vulnerable state, it looks like she found her match - she won't see the scam that's coming in from a mile away, even though he's dropped her hints here and there. Or maybe she will, who knows. She's so unpredictable.

Another thing - when Dominic saw Lucia circling around his son, why didn't he just cut her and Mia off with Valentina? Since he's not planning to hook up with them anymore, tell Valentina they're no longer his guests, so that she can have all the power to boot them off hotel property and cut off their key access. If Albie really wants to hang out with Lucia, he can take her in as his own guest, or find her outside the hotel.

And Dom, assuming he's not one of the dead people at the end of the week, will be in for the surprise of his life when he gets his final bill when they check out and find all those expensive dresses and other clothing, and whatever else the two charged to his room.

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Does anybody notice on Quentin’s (rented) yacht in the background in one of the earlier scene in E01?

Spoiler

They’re on the way back to the resort when Daphne found the body. Can Tanya and Portia be considered safe? 🤔

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8 hours ago, Joan van Snark said:

I do hope we get to see some more excursions outside of the hotel before the season is over---seems like some of these people barely leave the resort!  I know if I was there I would be trying to see everything I could in the time I had in such a beautiful place.

There are a few reasons I'm liking this season more than the first but I think the fact that they're going on excursions away from the resort this season might be leading the pack. IIRC, they didn't really do that in Hawaii. 

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11 hours ago, Joan van Snark said:

I do hope we get to see some more excursions outside of the hotel before the season is over---seems like some of these people barely leave the resort!  I know if I was there I would be trying to see everything I could in the time I had in such a beautiful place.

It is beautiful but iff what happened to Harper in Nono happens all the time to solo women, no thanks. I am not that tough. 

I did travel in Northern Italy alone and I was generally left alone. I had street kids circle me once but I kept moving. Solo travel is fun but has risks.

I am hoping Tonya proves to be a bit more savvy than we expect. She's weird and demanding but thus far has shown herself capable of getting what she wants. I definitely think she can say no to whatever con Quentin tries to get her to do. As someone upthread said she is not a trusting person.

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11 hours ago, Joan van Snark said:

I do hope we get to see some more excursions outside of the hotel before the season is over---seems like some of these people barely leave the resort!  I know if I was there I would be trying to see everything I could in the time I had in such a beautiful place.

The first season was probably limited due to covid restrictions, and thus they were only contained to the resort. It’s nice to see the potential of this series now that there are more stories “allowed” to write and tell.

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On 11/28/2022 at 4:19 PM, tennisgurl said:

Wow, even Tanya knows that Portia's outfits are terrible. Those sneakers on the boat made my eyes hurt, and that date outfit caused me more of a jump scare than those dead bodies we saw in the first episode

Sometimes I think the gay guys chose Tanya just to get to Portia so they could give her a make over. Her date outfit looked so tight and uncomfortable, and it was very unflattering. I'm not liking a lot of Harper's outfits either but I really liked the white mini dress with the buttons. 

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14 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

I am hoping Tonya proves to be a bit more savvy than we expect. She's weird and demanding but thus far has shown herself capable of getting what she wants. I definitely think she can say no to whatever con Quentin tries to get her to do. As someone upthread said she is not a trusting person.

Tanya is a contradiction of sorts. She seems ditzy, but knows how to take care of money. I imagine if she was really as clueless as she is portrayed to be, she has been scammed a long time ago, but so far none in her stories say so. Maybe up until this marriage, and we're all still on the fence on whether this was a scam or not.

Also, if she has an ironclad prenup (as Greg indicated), she probably also has an ironclad estate plan. So I don't believe that Greg will suddenly get a windfall if he conspires with anyone to kill her. I imagine her $500M are not all under her name - various assets have been stashed in multiple trusts, away from estate taxes. Her taxable estate is probably down to zero, or even if there is, a small pittance for someone like her. And like the other rich people Tanya fancies herself as, whatever can be given away is probably already willed to charities.

Tanya herself may be ditzy, but regarding money, all she really needs is to surround herself with good accountants and lawyers, and they will take care of the rest. 

I wonder what she will do with this new information re: Quentin and his "nephew." It seems she will warn Portia to stay away, but what will she do for herself?

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4 hours ago, Blackie said:

Sometimes I think the gay guys chose Tanya just to get to Portia so they could give her a make over.

This!!! This is the show I want to watch!
I crave comic relief.
At least an occasional Breaking Bad Pizza-On-The-Roof level of humor.
Comedies and dramas fizzle for me. Dramedy is where it's at. And this show isn't really doing it for me.
I had hopes that Jennifer Coolidge would be the comic relief, or even some of the other characters. But Mike White's plots are too damn serious.


 

14 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

Tanya is a contradiction of sorts. She seems ditzy, but knows how to take care of money. I imagine if she was really as clueless as she is portrayed to be, she has been scammed a long time ago, but so far none in her stories say so.

She even said in this episode that Belinda Of The Spa from season 1 seemed "witchy." 
Tanya who prowls around the mansion in the night to investigate is not going to let anyone take advantage of her without wishing they hadn't.

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Tanya has been a lot more calm and tolerable since she's been with the gay group, for the most part.  She's still entirely self-absorbed, but she isn't unkind.  She made me laugh when she sussed out that Portia and Jack were having sex on the boat and her reaction was just to say she was jealous. 

4 hours ago, Blackie said:

Sometimes I think the gay guys chose Tanya just to get to Portia so they could give her a make over.

If only!  I'd love to see that makeover!

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On 11/30/2022 at 9:52 AM, jeansheridan said:

I love the Talented Mr. Ripley but Theo James is no Jude Law! Jude was at peak beauty in that film. Another Ripley film is being made BTW. There are 4 or 5 books. The divine Andrew Scott is Ripley. Yum.

He's so pointy boots-sweat pants-oversized scarf now. I loved skinny scarf Jude Law. We quote Philip Seymour Hoffman to this day (you gotta hear this...did this place come furnished) and others. 

Like The White Lotus, the scenery in TMR was absolutely amazing. The only thing that's bugging me out are the head sculptures. I feel like one of those will be a murder weapon.

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I actually don't care about any murder mystery this Season since the first Season was a surprise for me.  I'll just sit back and watch everything play out.  It's like a multiple car accident waiting to happen IMHO and the victims will be revealed soon.  The mystery that is getting to me, after reading all the comments, is Tanya and her money.

Tanya's parents were abusive and Tanya is emotionally and mentally damaged.  Remember her teary speech about her parents from Season 1?  I would be absolutely floored if there isn't a Trust.  I don't think multimillionaires would do a 'Will' especially if the parents were controlling to begin with.  Lawyers for wealthy clients would push a Trust because a Will is chump change whereas the fees for a Trust can be annual income for them. Wills are fine for most people without a lot of money or businesses. My guess is that Tanya is a Trust beneficiary with spending limitations and protections put in place so she can't get scammed by husbands and other people. I would love, even salivate, to know the backstory of her inheritance. The best twist for me would be that Tanya is not as vacuous as presented and that she shines sometime soon.  She hasn't needed to thus far.  Her apparent loopiness and neediness just carries her through and people seem to accept that as her being another eccentric  and crazy rich lady.  One can hope.

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3 hours ago, ShannaB said:

I don't think multimillionaires would do a 'Will' especially if the parents were controlling to begin with.  Lawyers for wealthy clients would push a Trust because a Will is chump change whereas the fees for a Trust can be annual income for them. Wills are fine for most people without a lot of money or businesses. My guess is that Tanya is a Trust beneficiary with spending limitations and protections put in place so she can't get scammed by husbands and other people. I would love, even salivate, to know the backstory of her inheritance. The best twist for me would be that Tanya is not as vacuous as presented and that she shines sometime soon.  She hasn't needed to thus far.  Her apparent loopiness and neediness just carries her through and people seem to accept that as her being another eccentric  and crazy rich lady.  One can hope.

Trusts and wills go hand in hand. They're not mutually exclusive. While trusts handle mostly the financial aspects of the trustor, wills handle the non-financial parts - guardianship of children, etc. Even the most basic of estate planning of a person has both a trust and a will. 

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4 hours ago, slowpoked said:

Trusts and wills go hand in hand. They're not mutually exclusive. While trusts handle mostly the financial aspects of the trustor, wills handle the non-financial parts - guardianship of children, etc. Even the most basic of estate planning of a person has both a trust and a will. 

Very true.  The package would also include a Power of Attorney and Health Care Declaration.  If you have clients with a half billion dollars, then there would have to be a Trust since it covers property both personal and real  as well as possible tax consequences. A Will 'scoops' up everything not covered or missed in a Trust snd make provisions for guardianships for minors or the disabled.   If Tanya's sob story from S1 can be believed, then her parents have to have a Trust which would dictate terms for the beneficiary and for the Trustee and make provisions should Tanya pass away.  A Will keeps being mentioned in this thread and my head would literally explode if there is only a Will.  I find this part fascinating  (and horrific LOL)if it were that simple.

It was mentioned here that Tanya will be in Season 3.  Why?  Wouldn't it be funny if Tanya owns the White Lotus Resorts in some capacity.........

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A trust would be dissolved on the deaths of the parents, unless the beneficiary is a minor and the trust stipulates that he or she doesn't get the money until a certain age.

Tanya could have made her own living trust though.

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3 hours ago, aghst said:

A trust would be dissolved on the deaths of the parents, unless the beneficiary is a minor and the trust stipulates that he or she doesn't get the money until a certain age.

Tanya could have made her own living trust though.

   A Living Trust becomes irrevocable  and binding upon the death of the Settlor and then you have successive beneficiaries and trustees until there are no assets remaining.  It does not dissolve.  An irrevocable Trust is meant to be bullet proof.  A Living Trust is revocable and can be attacked in a lawsuit or divorce, hence the reason for good attorneys (expensive) to tailor language for the most protection.  A revocable trust can be amended several times during the life of a Settlor but upon death it is irrevocable and no amendments can be made.  Everything always comes down to language and the teams of attorneys as  well as the courts.  If Tanya has a Living Trust then Greg can try and get something while she is alive.  Greg can try for more even if there is a prenup but it depends on the language/provisions and loopholes.  Basically, the lawyers are the big winners.

I would just like to know how Tanya is funded.  

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5 minutes ago, ShannaB said:

I would just like to know how Tanya is funded.  

Portia has said to Albie that Tanya's father was a well-known businessman in San Francisco.

I sincerely hope her father/parents put the money in an irrevocable trust for her. Tanya doesn't seem to have the skills and level-headedness to successfully manage that kind of money, so even if she doesn't get scammed, I can see her losing the money through impulsive, risky investment decisions.

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35 minutes ago, ShannaB said:

   A Living Trust becomes irrevocable  and binding upon the death of the Settlor and then you have successive beneficiaries and trustees until there are no assets remaining.  It does not dissolve.  An irrevocable Trust is meant to be bullet proof.  A Living Trust is revocable and can be attacked in a lawsuit or divorce, hence the reason for good attorneys (expensive) to tailor language for the most protection.  A revocable trust can be amended several times during the life of a Settlor but upon death it is irrevocable and no amendments can be made.  Everything always comes down to language and the teams of attorneys as  well as the courts.  If Tanya has a Living Trust then Greg can try and get something while she is alive.  Greg can try for more even if there is a prenup but it depends on the language/provisions and loopholes.  Basically, the lawyers are the big winners.

I would just like to know how Tanya is funded.  

Ah you're right, it becomes irrevocable but presumably it provides for disbursal of all the assets.

Then a revocable trust could be set up for the beneficiary.

It seems like Tanya has access to money.  If she helped Belinda set up that spa or whatever they were talking about in Season 1, it would have been significant money, maybe a million or so, but very little for Tanya, relatively speaking.

Tanya is paying for expensive hotel rooms for herself and Portia too and she's not asking about prices.

So she may be just living lavishly off whatever income the assets generate or maybe she's even selling assets periodically to finance her lifestyle.

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5 minutes ago, aghst said:

So she may be just living lavishly off whatever income the assets generate or maybe she's even selling assets periodically to finance her lifestyle.

Even if the $500M are very conservatively invested and generate "only" a 2-3% annual return, that's still $10M - $15M worth of capital gains. She can have a very luxurious lifestyle with that kind of money without ever touching the principal.

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11 hours ago, chocolatine said:

She can have a very luxurious lifestyle with that kind of money without ever touching the principal.

Yes, that's why in old novels, especially old British novels, people living on their interest are always considered as at a higher level than just people living on a salary -- no matter how high the salary may be.

I felt a bit odd when I first retired, and I was living on my interest. 😐

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