S02.E07: Arrivederci

[ahpny]

1 minute ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Did Daphne fuck Ethan and turn him back into a real boy again?

Whatever she did do - and I was wondering what that was as well - it seemed to afford the Spillers the singular distinction as being the only guests to leave their vacation happier and better than when they arrived. 

I'm still a bit hazy on the "murder plot." And as the episode ticked down to its last few minutes, expected to see some sort of twist that that "plot" really wasn't at all what Tanya - and we - thought.  Niccolo normally carries a gun, so that wasn't conclusively incriminating. Not sure what to make about the black rope. That would be pretty incriminating. What caused me to suspect, apparently wrongly, that something else, or something different was going on was the calm and non-suspecting demeanor of all of the "high end gays." Yes, Quinten was subtly threatening, but if murder was the plan all along, what was the point of subtlety at this point ? I guess they still had to get her on the small boat willingly? 

I don't know if we'll ever be told whether Greg got the money, but in real life with this amount of money, and presumably many competing heirs, that money would be tied up in court for many years. Oh, and spouses don't get the money of spouses they murder, regardless of what a will might say. This is colloquially called the "slayer's rule."

[Jaundiced Eye]

9 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

Cameron acted like he did not want to talk to his kids. If he is faking his life eventually his marriage is going to implode.

I wonder if he knows or suspects those kids aren't his.

[slowpoked]

4 minutes ago, aghst said:

It wouldn't be the prenup, it would be a will.

Why would she put him as the beneficiary in her will if she had doubts about Greg?

Maybe this is part of the legalese that Mike White didn't really investigate.

Yes I know it wouldn’t be in a prenup, but that’s what Tanya said. It’s highly possible that her prenup would reference her will when it comes to issues of death. But like you said, it’s those tiny details that Mike White deem not too important to get right.

While walking to the cove, I was waiting for Ethan to tell Daphne that Cameron hooked up with the hookers when they were gone. Daphne has been putting a brave face saying his cheating doesn’t matter to her, but it would be interesting to see her actual reaction when told of a real cheating incident that someone witnessed.

[aghst]

1 minute ago, slowpoked said:

Yes I know it wouldn’t be in a prenup, but that’s what Tanya said. It’s highly possible that her prenup would reference her will when it comes to issues of death. But like you said, it’s those tiny details that Mike White deem not too important to get right.

While walking to the cove, I was waiting for Ethan to tell Daphne that Cameron hooked up with the hookers when they were gone. Daphne has been putting a brave face saying his cheating doesn’t matter to her, but it would be interesting to see her actual reaction when told of a real cheating incident that someone witnessed.

Well Daphne has been hinting that she cheats herself.

She does whatever it takes to make herself better in the face of Cameron cheating on her.

[40Love]

14 minutes ago, luna1122again said:

I'm not sorry to see Tanya go, honestly. I can love Jennifer Coolidge, but Tanya is a train wreck, and not fun to watch. 

Me too. That shooting scene at end was especially grating. Then she stupidly tries to jump from the boat in heels. Why even jump from the boat? What was her plan: Drive a boat, she probably couldn't even operate,  back to shore and pretend she was never on board? Duh!!

[luna1122again]

Daphne knows he cheats. So she cheats too. I think she and Ethan hooked up. And apparently it revved Ethan up enuf that he could do it twice in a day. 

I think Cam also knows the kids might not be his. But this is a couple who is all about putting on a show, even for each other. 

[Mr. R0b0t]

That was a bit of a mess.  In hindsight I appreciate the characters MW comes up with and their interpersonal connections more than the mystery box plot he devises.  

[AzureOwl]

6 minutes ago, ahpny said:

Yes, Quinten was subtly threatening, but if murder was the plan all along, what was the point of subtlety at this point ? I guess they still had to get her on the small boat willingly? 

My guess is that plan A was to get her drunk and drown her near the hotel, to make it look like an accident. 

Niccolo's bag was probably plan B in case the "make it look like an accident route" became inviable.  

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I don't know if we'll ever be told whether Greg got the money, but in real life with this amount of money, and presumably many competing heirs, that money would be tied up in court for many years. Oh, and spouses don't get the money of spouses they murder, regardless of what a will might say. This is colloquially called the "slayer's rule."

You're assuming Tanya has any other heirs. If she has no children or sibling/nephews/nieces, what competing heirs would there be?

Also, the "slayer's rule" only applies if the murdering spouse is found out. We don't know how much of a communications trail Quentin and Greg left that the Italian police can discover.

[susannot]

Wish I knew how to delete a post.  I meant to reply to aghst.  Tanya's end was operatic and tragicomic and was foreshadowed by Madame Butterfly.  She did not die for love or beauty but she died to stop others from taking beauty away from her.  Maybe.  Or maybe that is an overwrought interpretation.

[SeanC]

13 minutes ago, ahpny said:

I don't know if we'll ever be told whether Greg got the money, but in real life with this amount of money, and presumably many competing heirs, that money would be tied up in court for many years. Oh, and spouses don't get the money of spouses they murder, regardless of what a will might say. This is colloquially called the "slayer's rule."

Why would you presume there are competing heirs? We're not told of any.

As Tanya's husband, Greg stands to inherit per Tanya herself. The slayer's rule would only apply if Greg's involvement was discovered, and it doesn't really look like Portia plans to say anything.

[slowpoked]

8 minutes ago, ahpny said:

Oh, and spouses don't get the money of spouses they murder, regardless of what a will might say. This is colloquially called the "slayer's rule."

Yeah, but like Tanya said, all that needs to happen is she “dies”. But I don’t think Greg is going to cakewalk into money that easily, just like you said. An investigation would take time, especially as other people died too.

4 minutes ago, 40Love said:

Me too. That shooting scene at end was especially grating. Then she stupidly tries to jump from the boat in heels. Why even jump from the boat? What was her plan: Drive a boat, she probably couldn't even operate,  back to shore and pretend she was never on board? Duh!!

I was thinking why couldn’t she make the captain start driving the boat? He didn’t jump, correct? And that other friend who jumped off the boat, assuming he makes it alive to shore, is another possible wrinkle. Unless he decides to disappear off the face of the earth.

[sainte-chapelle]

1 hour ago, JennyMominFL said:

I would think the police would talk to Portia who will tell them what she knows. You would assume with a boat full of dead bodys they will question Tonya's death

Some police  in  parts of Italy are very corrupt and might be on the take. I think the Brit was supposed to distract Portia, take her phone and just get her back to the resort. She tipped her hand to Jack but no one else knows she was onto them, anyone who might have suspected is now dead. I think in Greg’s mind Portia knows nothing so she is likely in the clear.
Speaking of Greg I wish we got more clarity there…who was he calling? Where is he now? 
I assume Lucia’s male friend was in on it rather than being tricked into playing pimp and will likely be paid for his efforts. I do think Mia’s relationship with Valentina will be mutually beneficial ( unlike Albie). She will probably take her out to bars and introduce her to people so she isn’t lonely. She does work for Valentina and seemed to like her so why not? Val seemed much happier, I am glad for her. 
Those two couples are toxic as hell. Both their marriages are screwed up but it was nice to see Harper knocked down a couple pegs. She was insufferable. She judged others so harshly so she wouldn’t have to deal with her own shit.

i had mixed feelings about Tanya but will miss Jennifer Coolidge next season. I didn’t care much for the other characters this time around.

Edited December 12, 2022 by sainte-chapelle

[40Love]

11 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

Yes I know it wouldn’t be in a prenup, but that’s what Tanya said. It’s highly possible that her prenup would reference her will when it comes to issues of death. But like you said, it’s those tiny details that Mike White deem not too important to get right.

I got the impression that Tanya brought up the pre-nup just to reference that Greg spoke about getting nothing if they divorced. It was just a remembrance of their conversation.

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, Armchair Critic said:

Had me going because I thought first Ethan was going to kill Cameron.

I thought the jellyfish they kept focusing on was going to bite Cameron after Ethan left him.

52 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Will he go after her now?

I doubt Greg will go after Portia unless she goes after him.  Greg doesn't know what Portia knows. All of his co-conspirators are dead. He was out of the country.  He doesn't know that Tanya saw the picture.  Or that Tanya saw Jack fucking Quentin. 

51 minutes ago, Samsnee said:

I wish Albie had died. What a spoiled little shit. Blackmailing your dad for $50k because you fell in love with a hooker.

He didn't blackmail him; he made a bargain.  I kind of respected him in that moment.

48 minutes ago, gail56 said:

Wait, I thought Tanya was confirmed for next season? Was that said in the press to throw us off?

Mike did mention bringing Tanya back in interviews.  And really, he probably still could.  There's no guarantee that these trips go in chronological order. 

46 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

  After all the porn Ethan has watched he is likely pretty good at sex.

.Most porn is not usually a training manual for good sex. 

33 minutes ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Did Daphne fuck Ethan and turn him back into a real boy again?

That's the vibe I got.

21 minutes ago, susannot said:

Albie deserved what he got but he seemed good-natured about it.  "I got played."  A more mature realization than many men would have.  It is probably an experience he will look back upon with sentimentality.

Yep.  I think part of him knew he was being played but it was worth the gamble, especially since it was his dad's money.

12 minutes ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Tanya just shot (four?) people, Quentin is bleeding out from the chest and mouth, and she grills him about whether Greg is cheating on her.

That was so Tanya. 

10 minutes ago, aghst said:

Dominic accused Albie of being an easy mark but so was he, because he wanted his family back so much.

Except Dominic got exactly what he paid for. 

[susannot]

I'm kind of sad that Tom Hollander will not be back next season.  Or will he?

[maggiemae]

When did we ever think Tanya was wise, smart, able to take care of herself?

[aghst]

5 minutes ago, maggiemae said:

When did we ever think Tanya was wise, smart, able to take care of herself?

She should have a staff of assistants and maybe even security.

She was already wary of people approaching her because they were after money.  She thought they were high-end gays so not after her money.  Security staff would vet these people, who just come out of the blue, being all friendly.

Should have paid Portia better or get someone real good even if she had to pay really well.  Portia was trapped with Albie.  She didn't have the money to take a taxi back to Taormina or to Palermo for that matter.  No credit card so that Portia could do errands for Tanya?

They made Portia too helpless.

Or Tanya was unwilling to pay for someone more savvy.

[Corgi-ears]

Tanya, to herself: "You've got this."

*Thud*

Meanwhile, somewhere in Hawaii:

https://tenor.com/view/growth-you-know-what-that-is-gif-9771762

Edited December 12, 2022 by Corgi-ears

[MCMLXXVII]

27 minutes ago, luna1122again said:

Daphne knows he cheats. So she cheats too. I think she and Ethan hooked up. And apparently it revved Ethan up enuf that he could do it twice in a day. 

I think Cam also knows the kids might not be his. But this is a couple who is all about putting on a show, even for each other. 

They also made a point to show that the porn star Ethan was watching very much resembled Daphne.

[LEILANI2]

6 hours ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Tanya just shot (four?) people, Quentin is bleeding out from the chest and mouth, and she grills him about whether Greg is cheating on her. That was pretty wild.

Tanya died as she lived, totally self absorbed and clueless.   Still I kind of wanted her to survive and to see her next season.

Edited December 12, 2022 by LEILANI2

[susannot]

14 minutes ago, maggiemae said:

When did we ever think Tanya was wise, smart, able to take care of herself?

We always knew that Tanya was a ditz and was oblivious to "lesser" people around her.  What we did not realize is that she was oblivious to a fatal degree.  Would not any mega rich woman have realized that the "high-end" gays were up to something?  They were talking about her, snickering about her behind her back. In the end, I regard Tanya as pathetic.   She was filthy rich, but she was a fatally stupid and vulnerable woman.

[Irlandesa]

5 minutes ago, LEILANI2 said:

Tanya died as she lived, totally clueless.  Yes Tanya he was cheating with Quentin you idiot.  Still I kind of wanted her to survive and to see her next season.

Oh wait.  So is Mike White implying that Tanya was victim of the gay mafia?  Because they were gay.  And they had mafia ties. 

But I don't think Greg was Quentin's lover or he would have mentioned that when talking about Steve.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Irlandesa

[Armchair Critic]

"Was Greg cheating on me?" [/facepalm] hahahaaa

[susannot]

2 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Oh wait.  So is Mike White implying that Tanya was victim of the gay mafia?  

I thought it was the mafia mafia, not the gay mafia.  Why should the real mafia care whether someone is gay, if half a billion dollars is in play.

[coconutcookie]

Wonder if Jon Gries will be back next season now that he has Tanya's money, or will he be found out before he can squander some of it at a White Lotus?  He said I love you to someone on the phone. Was that a woman or is he one of "the gays?"

Edited December 12, 2022 by coconutcookie

[susannot]

We don't know that he has Tanya's money.  An interesting set-up for Season 3.  And despite everyone disagreeing with me, I have a sneaking suspicion that Tom Hollander will be back as Quentin, because he was just too good to waste for only one season.

[Irlandesa]

2 minutes ago, susannot said:

I thought it was the mafia mafia, not the gay mafia.  Why should the real mafia care whether someone is gay, if half a billion dollars is in play.

Sorry, that was meant as a joke.  I don't recall how the term "gay mafia" came to be but there were people who wanted to scare the world that gay men and women were trying to recruit kids and straight people into being gay.  I don't know if those people used the term "gay mafia" or if men and women in the community started using it jokingly about themselves.

But since the group trying to kill Tanya were gay.  I thought it was the writer's little joke.

[slowpoked]

48 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I doubt Greg will go after Portia unless she goes after him.  Greg doesn't know what Portia knows. All of his co-conspirators are dead. He was out of the country.  He doesn't know that Tanya saw the picture.  Or that Tanya saw Jack fucking Quentin. 

The entire thing seems like a small-time, straightforward scam - Husband has rich wife, he gets all her money if she dies, and husband can be with his true love afterwards.

So when Jack told Portia to get lost because these people are so powerful that she would not know who she’ll be facing off - was he just scaring her off so she wouldn’t look into things, or are there other players in this whole thing, and Tanya wasn’t the last target?

Also, Portia was lucky to be alive. Everything she did in this episode would usually lead to her murder if she were her own true crime episode.  Getting into the car with him even after what Tanya just told her? Confronting him alone in the car, in a remote area, about him fucking his so-called uncle? Meekly just saying “I’ll just get a cab..” and not actually hightailing out of there after he’s already given you the heebie jeebies?! At least Tanya fought her kidnappers to the end.

Edited December 12, 2022 by slowpoked

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:

Was Jack supposed to kill Portia? He did her a favor letting her go. 

Not sure if Portia was supposed to die, but Jack seemed to let go of the kidnapping assignment once Portia confronted him about his abusive past and demanded the truth. 
In order of number of lines of dialog: Harper, Ethan, Portia, Tanya, and other characters all had speeches demanding the truth.
I guess what drove Mike White this season was truth vs. sham/scam.
Given social media etc. in real life, What Is The Truth? seems like a worthy subject to examine. 
Kudos to Mike White for exploring the subject of truth vs. gaslighting without getting into any politics--just sticking to the characters and their personal relationships to truth. 

 

2 hours ago, susannot said:

Could Quentin have survived?

When a character is shown with blood coming out of their mouth, they're dying.
Granted, we didn't see Quentin staring blank-eyed.




 

2 hours ago, aghst said:

Lucia and Mia are the big winners, they get money, a dream job for Mia, a fat bank account for Lucia.  She's not going to LA or anywhere.

No. I don't think Lucia and Mia actually are "big winners" for more than a moment. They will spend all the money before someone can take it away or before the money makes them targets.
Maybe Mia will meet an Albie-type and go to L.A. now that she is a professional musician, but more likely she'll be lucky if fickle Valentina keeps her on at the hotel until she is not so young and pretty, and then some hot young guy who looks better playing the piano and singing will take middle-aged Mia's place.

No wonder the Di Grasso crones chased the men away.




 

1 hour ago, sainte-chapelle said:

2 hours ago, JennyMominFL said:

I would think the police would talk to Portia who will tell them what she knows. 

Some police  in  parts of Italy are very corrupt and might be on the take.

We all read about that American college girl who spent years in an Italian prison after being framed for murder by her roommates. Maybe Portia saw the Lifetime movie version of the story.




I really wanted Tanya to use Niccolò's  rope to get down to the smaller boat, and then figure out how to start it. But when she didn't take off the shoes, it was pretty much all over.

Edited December 12, 2022 by shapeshifter

[MrWhyt]

1 hour ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Did Daphne fuck Ethan and turn him back into a real boy again? Psycho Ethan was really disturbing.

I'm pretty sure they did the deed, and Harper was crying at dinner because good old honest Ethan told her about it.

[ZeeEnnui]

2 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

After all the porn Ethan has watched he is likely pretty good at sex.  But I am glad that Ethan and Harper made it.  But they will have to pay for that vase falling.

That sculpture was a ceramic cockblock. They did the room a favor but breaking that hideous thing. 

1 hour ago, Accidental Martyr said:

Yeah, Mike White hinted that she would return. I guess he was throwing us a curve.

I watched the interview with Mike White after the episode. The way he talked about Tanya's storyline, I sort of got the sense that we're not finished with it. Maybe Greg will visit the next White Lotus as the "grieving" widower. Let's hope that once Portia realizes that Tanya died she'll alert the authorities. I mean, seriously! I would have gone right to the police (or the U.S. Embassy). But I guess buying a terrible hat and glasses to disguise Portia's obvious guilt about her inaction was way more important. 

And it looks like our dumb ass white knight got knocked off his horse. I'll give Albie the tiniest bit of credit for handling getting played with some maturity. But that scene with Dom where Albie's rich boy entitlement rears its ugly head was not a good look. His mom certainly deserves better than to have her son put in a good word for Dom just so he can get scammed by the worst hooker in Sicily.

Who needs therapy when its Daphne's magic vagina that will cure your pathological jealousy. Is she available to solve world peace?

[buttersister]

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I would think the police would talk to Portia who will tell them what she knows. You would assume with a boat full of dead bodys they will question Tonya's death

She'll be back in the US by that time, so we'll see if the Italian authorities want to track her down from the White Lotus guest registry, considering no one had seen her for days. Here's hoping Greg doesn't want to.

[thuganomics85]

"You fuck your UNCLE?!!!!!:

Rhaenyra Targaryen: "Wow, judgmental much, Portia?!  Don't knock it until you try it!!"

Once again, it all ended in a way that I kind of saw coming but the way it all came together was unexpected, fascinating, and darkly hilarious at times.  I figured Tanya was a prime suspect to be the potential victim and even though a part of me was questioning it with the way they were making Quentin and his gang so obviously shady at the end, I still wasn't too surprised that it ended up not being a misdirect.  But I did not predict how it would all come about!  Her managing to get that gun (stupid of them to make it that easy to get to but, hey, I can roll with them being that arrogant) and kill most of them, only for her to trip off the boat, bang her head, and drown.  Yeah, arguably anticlimactic on paper, but it kind of is a fitting end for her.  Part of me pities her because she clearly was lonely, possibly mentally unstable and never got the help she probably needed, but she could have taken a lot of measures to avoid this eventual fate, and paid for it.  At least she took Quentin with her.  But if Greg really was behind it all, it's kind of nuts if he got away with it.

Definitely wondering if Daphne hooked up with Ethan on that island and that somehow ended up being what snapped him out of his funk and get sexually active with Harper again.  Also still wondering if Harper claiming that she and Cameron "just kissed" or if it really did go further than that.  Either way, it ends with both couples seeming to be at a happy place, surprisingly.  At least on the surface.  Who knows if these four can stand the test of time, but despite their massive, massive issues, both duos seem to have their own things going that can kind of work for them.  At times.  It's weird.  I did notice Cameron clearly trying to avoid talking to his kids.  I wonder if he suspects they might not really be his?

Part of me has to believe that Albie knew he was probably being played, but just couldn't help himself but to try.  But another part of me thinks he really is that much of a chump.  Granted, since he was using dad's money, he probably didn't care all that much either way.  Always good to have that safety net, huh?  While it was totally on the nose, I did crack up when you see all of the Di Grasso men checking out that one woman at the same time.  They might act very differently on the surface but those three really are a lot alike when it comes to how they view women.

Not only did Lucia pull off her con but Mia now has a permanent job thanks to earning Valentina's loyalty.  Those two really did come out ahead!

Albie and Portia exchanging numbers was hilarious and awesome.  A perfect romcom right there!  Found true love after one got scammed by a sex worker and the other more or less got kidnapped by another one.  They are perfect for each other!

Like with the first season, I can see why some stuff might not work for everyone and it does have some flaws I can nitpick, but I can't help but love this crazy show and the insane stuff Mike White cooks up for it.  I guess I just find it fascinating seeing these characters who seem to be having everything handed to them on a silver platter, but keep fucking it up or making themselves miserable over things others would probably envy.  Great casting again as well, with my highlights probably being Aubrey Plaza, F. Murray Abraham, Meghann Fay, Adam DiMarco, Tom Hollander, Sabrina Impacciatore, and Simona Tabasco (Michael Imperioli is right behind them, but I felt was underused somewhat.  Also, this is probably the most I've ever liked Theo James.)  That said, I'm still giving the MVP spot to Sicily.  Beautiful place that I want to visit.  Just won't let these crazy rich assholes ruin the fun!

Can't wait to see what the next season will bring!

Edited December 12, 2022 by thuganomics85

[slowpoked]

Also, I wished Harper didn’t give in to Ethan’s questioning, or that nothing really happened between Harper and Cameron. I know he’s supposed to be the “good guy,” but it was really rich for Ethan to say he told the truth about the condom, when he never told Harper about it until confronted with the actual wrapper, and this after despite Harper giving him lots of chances to tell her the truth. 
 

So according to Ethan, he told the “truth” about the condom and hookers just because he said so, and that his word should be good enough for Harper, when he acted all weasely the entire day and didn’t tell her the truth. But when confronting Harper in a similar situation, her word was not good enough for him and she’s not telling the truth just because he feels it. I wished Harper just told him to fuck all the way off to the US. If his word should be good enough for her, then hers should be for him as well. Cameron may be the bottom of the barrel, but sanctimonious shit like Ethan are way worse.

[chocolatine]

One of the reasons I really expected Tanya to survive was her exchange with the yacht captain that was played for comic effect. She told him the entire story of Greg hiring the gays in order to kill her, but all he understood was "gay" and was happy to inform her that he, too, was gay. Usually this is the kind of thing that would happen to the hero of an action movie before they triumph over the bad guys. I guess Tanya did briefly triumph, but then made the terrible decision to jump off of the yacht in high heels.

[Cheezwiz]

2 hours ago, chocolatine said:

I used to root for Albie, but he's just so, so stupid. I wish Dominic had stood his ground and refused to wire the money. Albie should put up his own money if he's so serious about "helping" a prostitute.

I was also hoping Dominic would stand his ground. I suspect he caved, because behind Albie's offering to talk Dominic up favourably to wife/Mom stewing at home, was also a veiled threat to reveal Dominic's dabbling with the hookers if he didn't transfer the funds.

This was actually a great concluding episode to a series that often felt meandering to me. Lots of edge of the seat tension - every other scene I thought someone was going to be killed!

RIP Tanya. Her departure was unexpected, but hilariously in-character.

The active volcano shots were super-cool - was that CGI?

I've always wanted to go to central Italy (Tuscany, Florence) but now I think I'd also love to visit Sicily!

[SHD]

2 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Mike did mention bringing Tanya back in interviews.  And really, he probably still could.  There's no guarantee that these trips go in chronological order. 

Even if the trips are in chronological order, if Greg comes back, Tanya could be part of flashback scenes. A good way for Mike White to both throw us off and not lie!

[Racj82]

"I totally fell for the misdirect that Jennifer Coolidge would be back next season. I'll never believe anything Mike White says ever again."

I don't like that people feel entitled to answers from actors and the creators. They are trying to tell the story. They do not want to ruin the story. They have to lie because people insist spoiling things for themselves all the time. I don't blame showrunners, actors, trailer editors or anyone for trying preserve their plot as much as they can.

Tanya can kick rocks. You can't keep that character around over and over. Start completely fresh next time.

Albie is such an idiot. At least got great sex for the better part of week. Not worth 50k bit his father was right. It's not his money so it's easy for him to throw it away.

[chocolatine]

15 minutes ago, Cheezwiz said:

I was also hoping Dominic would stand his ground. I suspect he caved, because behind Albie's offering to talk Dominic up favourably to wife/Mom stewing at home, was also a veiled threat to reveal Dominic's dabbling with the hookers if he didn't transfer the funds.

Now that I think about it, maybe Dominic agreed to give the money because he wanted Albie to be played so that he would learn the lesson early in life to stay away from hookers. In Dominic's eyes, the 50k euros is nothing compared to what his own missteps cost him - his marriage and happy family life.

Another thing that just occurred to me, if Daphne and Ethan did have sex on Isola Bella, they must have done so without a condom since it was highly unlikely either of them had any on them. I think it would be hilarious if Daphne had a third kid nine months after that trip, and the kid was part-Asian. That would be the ultimate triumph for Ethan over Cameron, and much less easy to explain away than the blond and blue-eyed older kid sired by Daphne's trainer. But Ethan and Harper's marriage definitely wouldn't survive that.

15 minutes ago, Cheezwiz said:

I've always wanted to go to central Italy (Tuscany, Florence) but now I think I'd also love to visit Sicily!

I've never been to Sicily, but Tuscany is gorgeous and has amazing food and wine (Brunello di Montalcino). You should definitely visit if you have the opportunity.

Edited December 12, 2022 by chocolatine

[Racj82]

7 minutes ago, SHD said:

Even if the trips are in chronological order, if Greg comes back, Tanya could be part of flashback scenes. A good way for Mike White to both throw us off and not lie!

Let the story die. It's over. No reason to bring this plot thread back at all. Greg has never been a major character and there is nothing to gain at this point. Tanya is gone. The story is dead.

[shapeshifter]

26 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

One of the reasons I really expected Tanya to survive was her exchange with the yacht captain that was played for comic effect. She told him the entire story of Greg hiring the gays in order to kill her, but all he understood was "gay" and was happy to inform her that he, too, was gay

I had the opposite reaction to the boat captain cheerily saying he was gay: I thought it revealed that he was part of the conspiracy to murder Tanya.

[Cheezwiz]

4 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I had the opposite reaction to the boat captain cheerily saying he was gay: I thought it revealed that he was part of the conspiracy to murder Tanya.

I had the same reaction - although it was a comedic exchange, I think that's where it dawned on Tanya that her situation was completely hopeless.

[slowpoked]

Kudos to @shapeshifter for smartly picking up on the first episode convo between Valentina and Rocco, that the other dead bodies were not necessarily in the hotel property, and therefore, not necessarily guests of the hotel.

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, Cheezwiz said:

I was also hoping Dominic would stand his ground. I suspect he caved, because behind Albie's offering to talk Dominic up favourably to wife/Mom stewing at home, was also a veiled threat to reveal Dominic's dabbling with the hookers if he didn't transfer the funds.

I don't think Albie knew that Dominic was the first person to hire them for their services. 

[Snazzy Daisy]

Meghann Fahy is really good in this scene. Her micro expressions are on point. ❤️

Is she cunning? Or is she drowning in self-deception and there's no turning back?

Edited December 12, 2022 by SnazzyDaisy

[Traveller519]

So Shane (season 1) is a psychopath, Cameron is a sociopath. Here's to watching them drive each other off a cliff while skiing at The White Lotus Kitzbühel in Season 3.

[Johnny Dollar]

I absolutely hated the ending, and it ruined the whole season for me. You don’t take a character who has been developed as a gullible clown over two seasons, the comic relief, and put them in a literal life threatening situation, then finally turn them into the hero of their own story, only to return them back to the clown and die in such a slapstick-y way. I always thought that crew reminded me of an Italian Three Stooges, so there’s that.  Hopefully Portia and Leo testify to the police about the plot so Greg gets his due. 

[JD5166]

3 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Meghann Fahy is really good in this scene. Her micro expressions are on point. ❤️

Is she cunning? Or is she drowning in self-deception and there's no turning back?

Daphne ended up being my favorite. And they definitely did it out there, she and Ethan. 

I sure didn’t s sleep very well as predicted. Poor Tanya. Hopefully Porche stops feeling so sorry for herself and realizes that at least she’s not dead. What a horrible lesson to have to learn for a fun fling in Italy. Also, I am going to start studying Italian, I won’t  go there without knowing the language after this. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by JD5166

[Pike Ludwell]

On 12/12/2022 at 2:04 AM, Racj82 said:

Let the story die. It's over. No reason to bring this plot thread back at all. Greg has never been a major character and there is nothing to gain at this point. Tanya is gone. The story is dead.

As to any Greg conspiracy, in the post-show interview Mike White said something like "we'll have to wait and see what happens", implying it could be addressed in Season 3. But that doesn't mean it really will be brought back.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Pike Ludwell

[EtheltoTillie]

7 hours ago, aghst said:

It wouldn't be the prenup, it would be a will.

Why would she put him as the beneficiary in her will if she had doubts about Greg?

Maybe this is part of the legalese that Mike White didn't really investigate.

Also if they were going to murder her, do it in front of Taormina?  Yes their plan was to do it at night.  There was rope and duct tape so maybe the plan was to take her to some remote place and then kill her.

Jack made a mistake letting Portia go.  Though he advised her to get on the plane and go away, so maybe she was spooked enough.  First thing she should have done when she got her phone back was call the police or the hotel since she didn't speak Italian.

But she didn't care enough about Tanya's life?  Maybe she felt underpaid and mistreated, otherwise, you'd think she would want to protect her employer.

So Tanya shut her eyes and just kept shooting until the gun was empty and she killed just about everyone.  But she dies attempting a stupid leap, hits her head before hitting the water, when there's a little ledge at the water level she could have walked to, to get on the boat.

Guess it was suppose to be partly comic, not so tragic.  Mike White said he didn't want Tanya to be a victim to others.

Albie making the deal was funny because of the audacity of it but 50k Euros probably was nothing to Dominic.  Lucia specifically told Albie that's how much she needed?

Dominic accused Albie of being an easy mark but so was he, because he wanted his family back so much.

Well the two couples ended up leaving together, just as the couple in season 1 did, even though Rachel in that case knew her husband was a POS, she couldn't walk away from all that security.

If there was ANY night for Ethan and Harper to eat anywhere but at the hotel, THIS was the night.  Ethan had tried to drown Cameron and Harper called Cameron a fucking idiot.  But they pretend like none of these things happened or Ethan and Daphne possibly fucking and they just toasted the trip!

And then at the airport the next day, they're talking about going to the Maldives together!

OK, Mike White can't have any more young couples having marital problems during the time they're at the WL and then leaving all back together again, as if nothing had happened.  He's used up his quota of happy endings.

Lucia and Mia are the big winners, they get money, a dream job for Mia, a fat bank account for Lucia.  She's not going to LA or anywhere.

A prenup can designate what happens in a Will. Usually a spouse cannot disinherit another spouse completely,  so a prenup can waive those protections. So it sounds like Tanya had a terrible lawyer. Bad for someone who has so much money. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by EtheltoTillie