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When Heather is caught telling a lie, Lisa sets the record straight; Whitney is surprised when Justin is unexpectedly laid off; Meredith and Angie H. have a double date with their husbands.

Airdate: 11.02.2022

Once again, MORE salty things have happened in the offseason.  Until they are mentioned in an episode, do not discuss them in the episode threads.  Spoilery conversations about particular housewives should happen in their individual threads or the media thread.

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I’m only half paying attention.

Justin got fired because of Whitney’s antics on RHOSLC, which is kind of crappy.

Sadly, it is a risk you take when you’re in the public eye. 
However, Whitney Saying they were shaming her, and maybe the final straw was their Love As Art scene. I’m kind of with Justin’s former employer on this one.

They are shaming her, but she chose to do this on camera (which was just , ew, I didn’t need to see that..

Her equating it to “women are less than” is a reach. 

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11 minutes ago, Steph J said:

I can't remember the last time I saw two people as thirsty to get bumped up to cast member status as Angie and her husband.

I'd take them over Jen Shah and hubby.  

Justin needs to divorce Whitney before she turns her professional victim act toward him.

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Whoa, didn’t know Whitney’s husband got fired because of the sex scene on the show. I hope Whitney’s making enough money for their lifestyle. 
Angie and her husband are messy! Add them to the cast, I agree they are more interesting than Jen and Coach Shah. 

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I’m on Lisa’s side with the text while Heather’s dad was dying.  She reached out to say that she hoped he felt better, that’s a nice thing, right?  But Heather LIED and said it was sent after he died.  Why lie about that?  To pretend that Lisa is a jerk?  Seems to me she was trying to be kind.

Ha!  I knew Justin would be fired after that soft core porn weird sex painting.  It’s not a good look.  And Whitney’s oversexed baby-voiced wife shtick is embarrassing.

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1 hour ago, Chatty Cake said:

Lisa bought her kid his own company in high school and is now surprised he is growing into a lazy douche.

I know!

Seriously, they are only saying the word "college," to that kid, it is an abstract idea to him, he has no idea of what it actually is.  Why not talk about it real terms and explain the opportunities there are, you like business? Product development? Computer science? Anything other than the generic college idea, this kid has no idea what college is and it is sad watching those two parents try to communicate with him. Tour the local community college, look at class catalog, omg those two are stupid.

This makes me scream! Introduce that kid to the power of education for crying out loud. 

My  prediction is that social media influencer will be on his resume, the only entry on his resume.

6 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Ha!  I knew Justin would be fired after that soft core porn weird sex painting.  It’s not a good look.  And Whitney’s oversexed baby-voiced wife shtick is embarrassing.

Funny that the first reason Whit says Justin was fired was because of that sickening sex/paint scene, yes Whit, it was cringe.  I also think that Justin's sales numbers were low because of the economy OR he was due a large bonus and was let go before the pay out was due, that happens a lot.

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11 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

I’m only half paying attention.

Justin got fired because of Whitney’s antics on RHOSLC, which is kind of crappy.

Sadly, it is a risk you take when you’re in the public eye. 
However, Whitney Saying they were shaming her, and maybe the final straw was their Love As Art scene. I’m kind of with Justin’s former employer on this one.

They are shaming her, but she chose to do this on camera (which was just , ew, I didn’t need to see that..

Her equating it to “women are less than” is a reach. 

Really. Justin is the perfect example of a guy who thinks with the wrong head - he probably got fired for going along with Whitney’s antics, which is what he’s been doing since they met.

Wonder how long they’ll be married - he thought she was so hot for him but now knows she’s an abused and confused woman-baby with no boundaries or common sense.

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Justin said part of the reasoning for why he was fired was Whitney being a "public figure", Which Whitney claimed to mean it was because his wife "has a career and is successful". Is she referring to being on this show as a career? And, if so, she considers herself successful? I mean, I really doubt this has anything to do with her rebranded, names escapes me, skin care line.

Whitney is killing me..She sees how the Love Is Art scene "could be cringey"?! And she's "proud of it"? 

She needs a new therapist

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12 hours ago, Steph J said:

I can't remember the last time I saw two people as thirsty to get bumped up to cast member status as Angie and her husband.

Something about them reminds me of the one-hit wonders Amber (the one who had the cancer) and her slimy husband Jim Marchese from RHNJ. 

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4 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

That flashback sex scene was cringey and gross. Justin looked creepy. Also If Whitney wants to be taken seriously she shouldn’t be doggy styling in mud while her old chunky husband smacks her ass. He must be stupid thinking his employer would enjoy that.
Angies husband is also gross. A 52 year old man creating a page to troll women? What an asshole pig. Meredith and Seth even looked disgusted. 
 

He is a weirdo, and they are coming in hot and desperate, but I don't hate a whole insta page devoted to exposing the Shahs.

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10 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I’m on Lisa’s side with the text while Heather’s dad was dying.  She reached out to say that she hoped he felt better, that’s a nice thing, right?  But Heather LIED and said it was sent after he died.  Why lie about that?  To pretend that Lisa is a jerk?  Seems to me she was trying to be kind.

Ha!  I knew Justin would be fired after that soft core porn weird sex painting.  It’s not a good look.  And Whitney’s oversexed baby-voiced wife shtick is embarrassing.

The whole thing was bizarre because Heather then attempted to still paint Lisa in the wrong by saying that her father was in hospice actively dying at that point. 

I mean most people who are casual acquaintances would send good wishes if someone is in the hospital because they wouldn't know the nuances of exactly what the medical condition was. My friends didn't know exactly the difference between when my father was *actively* dying versus when he was in the hospital but was being treated and would recover from the specific thing he was in the hospital for

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14 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

Justin got fired because of Whitney’s antics on RHOSLC, which is kind of crappy.

I thought he got fired because of his own ridiculous behavior on the show, particularly the Love As Art scene.

5 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

Angies husband is also gross. A 52 year old man creating a page to troll women? What an asshole pig.

Agreed, this guy is a thirsty, bitchy queen.

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I'm confused as to how a fake account exposing the Shahs was somehow used as revenge against Lisa?

Because it can't be said enough, I can't stand the Marks family.  And their preview scene for next week already made me barf.

I find it odd, but maybe some of you find it regular, that a business woman/single mother has the time and inclination to form a choir.  Just me? 😂  Talk about searching for a storyline 😂

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That choir audition was ridiculous as there were more judges than people who were actually trying out and that is including the housewives who were there because they were forced to by production.

I was actually shocked by the low turnout because typically any kind of housewives event where you get a chance to be on camera and meet the housewives draws a crowd of wannabes. Even if they didn't want to be in a choir and had no singing talent I expect a lot of people to actually show up at the event as something to do.

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1 hour ago, amarante said:

The whole thing was bizarre because Heather then attempted to still paint Lisa in the wrong by saying that her father was in hospice actively dying at that point. 

I mean most people who are casual acquaintances would send good wishes if someone is in the hospital because they wouldn't know the nuances of exactly what the medical condition was. My friends didn't know exactly the difference between when my father was *actively* dying versus when he was in the hospital but was being treated and would recover from the specific thing he was in the hospital for

Yeah she is trying to make her lies make sense, and they don't.  And she is doubling down, and she looks like an idiot.

31 minutes ago, princelina said:

I find it odd, but maybe some of you find it regular, that a business woman/single mother has the time and inclination to form a choir.  Just me? 😂  Talk about searching for a storyline 😂

I find it very odd.  She obviously doesn't have anything else going on.

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I've only been watching half-heartedly - last night's show was all just soooo much! 

Justin losing his job?  Well, no large business would want a sales guy that is representing them basically doing a soft-porn performance on national television - didn't Justin even think of the possible ramifications of that ridiculously cringey act before they decided to get their freak on and have it filmed for the world to see?  Or, are Whitney and Justin that addicted to the small amount of  fleeting fame this show may offer them?

This is why, I think, most housewives and their husbands are self-employed or own their own businesses.

Most large companies have some kind of clause about this kind of thing in their employment contracts.  Many years ago, an employee of the investment banking firm my husband works for appeared on a television competition show where the winning contestant was offered "employment" with the main judge/host (I'm sure you can all guess which show I'm talking about).  He was forced to resign from his lucrative job with the investment bank to appear on a show, only to get eliminated mid-way through.  

Justin and Whitney are creepy, imo.

Angie and her husband - also so ridiculous and thirsty!!  A 52 yr. old man creating at least one (and possibly more) fake SM accounts to troll the other housewives?  And, admitting it on TV?  Couldn't there be legal ramifications for doing this?  

What is in the water in SLC that makes these people so stupid?  

Heather's choir thing - another stupid storyline just for the sake of a storyline.  Totally ridiculous and obviously, just for camera time.  Jen Shah going outside with a bullhorn like she's rounding up thousands of American Idol applicants looked so foolish!  There were maybe 10-12 people outside the theater - the bullhorn was so unnecessary.

Lisa Barlow's son is a lazy, spoiled, entitled brat, imo.  His parents need him to give them some kind of short term goals/life plan.  If he's such a great business person, he should know how to create that type of document.  If not, then they can explain that is why he needs to go to college so he can educate himself on business practices, etc.  

I can't even go into my nauseousness at seeing Meredith and her husband sharing a bubble bath next week - I will have to record this so I can FF through that scene.  Oh, and speaking of Meredith - in her talking head scenes with the spider-web looking sheer blouse - her hair looks absolutely disgustingly dirty and greasy.  

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36 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I can't even go into my nauseousness at seeing Meredith and her husband sharing a bubble bath next week - I will have to record this so I can FF through that scene.  Oh, and speaking of Meredith - in her talking head scenes with the spider-web looking sheer blouse - her hair looks absolutely disgustingly dirty and greasy.  

That look is so unflattering. I had to remind myself that it wasn’t Halloween when she recorded that.

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Why were Angie and Whitney putting together a dance routine if this is a choir audition?

Also, why is Heather putting together a choir? Where will they sing and for what occasion? Does Heather sing?  If her plate is so full why put a steaming hot pile of choir on it?

Husband whatshisname got a talking head?

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3 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I can't even go into my nauseousness at seeing Meredith and her husband sharing a bubble bath next week - I will have to record this so I can FF through that scene.  

did you hear what he said to her? 🤢

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1 hour ago, sugarbaker design said:

Because Chris "Eve" Harrington wants some airtime

One of my very favorite movies!!! You are right about the wanting airtime, we see right thru his act.

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

ust me?

You are not alone in that thinking, lol. Also, I owe you a "j" 

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11 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

That flashback sex scene was cringey and gross. Justin looked creepy. Also If Whitney wants to be taken seriously she shouldn’t be doggy styling in mud while her old chunky husband smacks her ass. He must be stupid thinking his employer would enjoy that.

And they have a 12 year old daughter who most likely will see that and be embarrassed to death and possibly teased by her friends.  Come on no child wants to see their parents cavorting like this. You have to wonder if parents who put this out for the world to see consider even for a minute how their children will handle this.   It was disgusting. 

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4 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I find it very odd.  She obviously doesn't have anything else going on.

Yet Miss Heather just said a few scenes before the choir nonsense that she was so stressed out because she was so busy with her botox/laser business that she had to open another location! So this stupid choir story makes no sense. So far SLC is a disappointment this season. 

4 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Justin losing his job?  Well, no large business would want a sales guy that is representing them basically doing a soft-porn performance on national television - didn't Justin even think of the possible ramifications of that ridiculously cringey act before they decided to get their freak on and have it filmed for the world to see?  

I wonder if this is the same company where Justin and Whitney met while they were both married to other people and were having an affair? If it is the bosses probably were sick of their shit. They are both gross. I don't see them lasting. I also don't see Angie and her husband staying together. There's a strange vibe going on there. 

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I can’t imagine that Whitney’s skincare is selling so well. There are thousands of beauty brands out there, why would anyone buy hers.  Justin comes home and she’s complaining that she needs a break. Then he tells her he’s fired and she immediately says it’s because he has a wife with a successful career. Everything is about her.  The show is going to struggle when Jen is off.  The others just aren’t that interesting.  

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Meredith looks like Morticia Addams in her talking heads. I never thought I’d say this after the first season but Lisa is my favorite housewife. She is a bit awkward but she really doesn’t seem malicious. Her email to Heather, who I usually like, was meant to be kind. The rumors that the cast claim to have heard fly in the face of everything we have seen about Lisa. I know her husband is quiet but I like him too.

i dislike Whitney.  While she is supposedly working through her own traumas, she is happy to dump crap on others.

The Marks family is ridiculous and contrived.

Heather, I am disappointed in the way you chose to talk about Lisa’s email. She meant to be kind.

Jen Shah. Have fun while you can.

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Bravo. Angie H is not Housewife material. Cast your net a little wider and see if you can bring in two housewives who:

1. Are a little classier and

2. Have an already existing bricks and mortar business which gives them some gravitas like I believe Heather has despite some questionable behavior in the most recent episode.   

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1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

I wonder if this is the same company where Justin and Whitney met while they were both married to other people and were having an affair? If it is the bosses probably were sick of their shit. They are both gross. I don't see them lasting. I also don't see Angie and her husband staying together. There's a strange vibe going on there. 

When news of his being fired first happened, I did a bit of googling and this is not the company where they met.

However I think a major component of being fired is that Wild Rose is competitive with the company he was working for which is LifeVantage. Along with the vitamins and supplements, it has skin care, body care and hair care - and those are the same type of products that Wild Rose sells. That season had a major promotional push for Wild Rose and so I can't imagine any company being okay with their head of sales promoting a competitor instead of using the opportunity to push the LifeVantage products.

The sex scene was really the icing on the cake.

When Whitney was talking about "public figure" being her singled out for being a "business woman" I think it was "code speak" for the fact that her product line was directly competitive with LifeVantage and obviously you don't want the wife of the head of sales prominently pushing competitive products on national television.

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Angie H. (blonde), Angie K. (brunette), and Danna are friends of the HWs. 

Even if Justin's company was not a competitor of Whitney's company, the bedroom antics could have probably get him fired anyway. 

Angie H. told Heather that she never said Lisa was offering favors, but she told Whitney that she didn't remember if she said so because she had a lot to drink!

Angie H's husband's creation of the IG account was cringe worthy, but also extremely immature. He is 52, not a teenager. If he wants to protect his wife he should ask her to leave the show. 

Jack is as delusional as his mother...His parents created "his" company (including financing it), but he thinks he is the creator, and successful.

Jen still claims she is innocent, but some HWs manage to shade her. 

I've noticed Lisa doesn't say "I love it" anymore.

Heather was wearing cute, short Prada Monolith combat boots during the choir practice.

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12 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I can’t imagine that Whitney’s skincare is selling so well. There are thousands of beauty brands out there, why would anyone buy hers.  Justin comes home and she’s complaining that she needs a break. Then he tells her he’s fired and she immediately says it’s because he has a wife with a successful career. Everything is about her.  The show is going to struggle when Jen is off.  The others just aren’t that interesting.  

I concur. Between Bat-shit Mary's recent exit and Jen's impeding jail sentence, this show will be dull as dishwater. It's going to become RHO Dallas-North.

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20 hours ago, njbchlover said:

SNIP

Angie and her husband - also so ridiculous and thirsty!!  A 52 yr. old man creating at least one (and possibly more) fake SM accounts to troll the other housewives?  And, admitting it on TV?  Couldn't there be legal ramifications for doing this?  

SNIP

Heather's choir thing - another stupid storyline just for the sake of a storyline.  Totally ridiculous and obviously, just for camera time.  Jen Shah going outside with a bullhorn like she's rounding up thousands of American Idol applicants looked so foolish!  There were maybe 10-12 people outside the theater - the bullhorn was so unnecessary.

Lisa Barlow's son is a lazy, spoiled, entitled brat, imo.  His parents need him to give them some kind of short term goals/life plan.  If he's such a great business person, he should know how to create that type of document.  If not, then they can explain that is why he needs to go to college so he can educate himself on business practices, etc.  

The Harringtons obviously were under the impression they were formally auditioning - generally people are brought on as "friend of" and production dangles the possibility of a snowflake/peach/diamond, etc before airtime or next season if they bring enough energy/story/conflict, which is why we occasionally end up with seasons of random people who are at every party and included in every group housewife conversation for no apparent reason.  No doubt cast members would LOVE to dine out and be filmed with their actual friends, but production isn't going to waste their time on that unless there's a predetermined plot driven reason why. At any rate, I think this audition failed. 

For what it's worth, didn't they say that although he set up the account, the account only ever had that one post (regarding Lisa, not Jen?) Which makes it even weirder for Jen to freak out about it, except that it gives her something to be righteously indignant about as a distraction. If it were an ongoing insider gossip slander account, I can see resenting the name. One post? You've got bigger fish to fry at the moment, Jen.

Trying to make the choir auditions a storyline was awkward, but I do understand a busy person who loves choral singing wanting it back in their life.  It's relaxing, social, emotionally freeing, etc.  and secular choirs definitely exist, singing all kinds of music. Until the choir is established as a local "thing," however, the best bet would have been to be open to all to gain numbers, then increase standards as they went along.  And get some ringers in there who are really good. 

As for the son, it might just be awkward teen family dynamics, but most of their conversations seem like they haven't spoken to the kid in years. Most kids are all too aware of what their parents' expectations are for them years before graduation. Maybe he's just rebelling because they HAVE placed the expectation of college on him and it's his first chance to assert his independence by refusing it.  In that case, a gap year isn't the worst thing of all, but the expectations need to change to "you'll need to come up with a plan that gets you up and out of the house 9 hours a day doing something productive."

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While Lisa tweeting Heather's dad's obit was a little much, I kind of agree with it. Heather was lying. And now Heather is blaming the fact that her family wants no part in this on Lisa. No, it's you Heather. They don't want to be on tv having all of their personal business exposed and that's because Heather decided to be on a reality show. It has nothing to do with Lisa.

I laughed at the black and white old time movie opening. For a second I thought I was watching the wrong show. 

Spoiler

In the preview, Jenn once again proclaims "I'm innocent" only for Angie to scoff at her. Will one of these women finally stand up to Jenn and her fake innocence? I can't wait.

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This is a frustrating franchise to watch! Heather used to be the only housewife I liked, then tolerated, and now she's been caught lying about Lisa's text (and I do wonder if she did hear what Whitney told everyone they had heard from Angie - blowies for jazz tickets! Yes, that phrase will keep on living no matter how hard Lisa wants to squash it.). I used to think Heather's above the petty BS and lying etc.

It's frustrating when I find myself rooting for someone like Lisa! 

Jack has definitely become an entitled brat but who could blame him? He was basically raised to be one!

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I usually like Heather, but she does love being the Boss. This choir wasn’t about love of singing and community. It’s was a chance for Heather to hold court and judge others. All that effort into a judging panel larger than the crowd auditioning-how dreadful!   Do amateur, community choirs hold auditions? I thought they just take whomever joins. 

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That's what happens when a show is forced to film earlier and in a hurry in order to follow Jen's trial (which was postponed). You have almost nothing to "show".

Is Whitney going to reveal what the abuse was any time in the near future, or is she going to reserve the secret to use as a grand finale? I'm going for the latter, so she can have a storyline all season long. 

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1 hour ago, CharlizeCat said:

With Justin's baby face and giant dimples, it's really hard to take him seriously. He always looks like he's smirking or about to laugh. 

Someone here, either last season or season one, pointed out that he looks like a giant Care Bear, and now that's all I see when he's on.

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I can't believe I watch this franchise but I do.....I don't like any of the women, I smirk with I think of them (well, Meredith) showing up in their reunion outfits next to the BH women, and I don't think anybody really has anything going for her.  I guess Jen is carrying the franchise until she gets sent down the river.  Then I think the franchise will bee put on "pause" given how weak the storylines are.  

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On 11/2/2022 at 9:33 PM, heatherchandler said:

I’m on Lisa’s side with the text while Heather’s dad was dying.  She reached out to say that she hoped he felt better, that’s a nice thing, right?  But Heather LIED and said it was sent after he died.  Why lie about that?  To pretend that Lisa is a jerk?  Seems to me she was trying to be kind.

I do not like Lisa Barlow at all, but I think I have to side with her on this issue, as well.  Perhaps Lisa could have just tweeted a copy of her original message, along with the date of Heather's father's passing, rather than the whole obituary, but I can see why she wanted to defend herself after the reunion.  Heather should apologize rather than doubling down.

I thought the producers were being very shady during the yoga practice scene with Whitney and Lisa.  The yoga instructor was shown many times praising Whitney while Lisa looked less than poised.  Hopefully the teacher gave Lisa praise and encouragement, too.

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I didn't understand Heather's issue with Lisa's text.

Lisa texted Heather "Hope your dad is doing well", while her dad was in hospice.

What's wrong with that text?

When my parents were each dying, I was grateful for anyone who reached out, in any way.  Even a Facebook like, meant something to me.

People don't know the details of what's going on.

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On 11/8/2022 at 12:35 PM, Starlight925 said:

I didn't understand Heather's issue with Lisa's text.

Lisa texted Heather "Hope your dad is doing well", while her dad was in hospice.

What's wrong with that text?

When my parents were each dying, I was grateful for anyone who reached out, in any way.  Even a Facebook like, meant something to me.

People don't know the details of what's going on.

There is nothing wrong with this text. Heather is still angry that Lisa didn't recognize her from going to college at the same time with her, but remembered she was a "good time girl" in college in the first season of the show. 

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On 11/6/2022 at 4:48 PM, SemiCharmedLife said:

I do not like Lisa Barlow at all, but I think I have to side with her on this issue, as well.  Perhaps Lisa could have just tweeted a copy of her original message, along with the date of Heather's father's passing, rather than the whole obituary, but I can see why she wanted to defend herself after the reunion.  Heather should apologize rather than doubling down.

I can totally see learning that a casual friend/coworker's father is extremely ill, and sending a generic good wishes text. And I can see that text coinciding with a turn for the worse when the friend isn't looking at her phone for large blocks of time and when she finally does he's so near death she reads more into it than is there. 

This is all stuff you hash out in private, and if you're lucky, Heather at some point publicly states that, in fact, she misspoke when she was talking about the timeline.   

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15 hours ago, kassa said:

I can totally see learning that a casual friend/coworker's father is extremely ill, and sending a generic good wishes text. And I can see that text coinciding with a turn for the worse when the friend isn't looking at her phone for large blocks of time and when she finally does he's so near death she reads more into it than is there. 

This is all stuff you hash out in private, and if you're lucky, Heather at some point publicly states that, in fact, she misspoke when she was talking about the timeline.   

Spot on! I also think it was awkward of Lisa to say “I hope your dad’s doing better” when it’s a given than if he’s in hospice he’s not going to be doing better—you’re just waiting out end of life. But I don’t think Lisa was being malicious or intentionally callous. I think the woman is just awkward in general and doesn’t think through how her words affect people. I forget the specifics, but same scenario with her repeatedly saying she could just slit her wrists over some minor inconvenience on the way to the girls’ trip—and meanwhile one of the woman (Meredith, maybe?) just lost a relative to suicide. Lisa is loud and brash and pretty self-absorbed so when she attempts to show empathy, it might not exactly hit the mark. 

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