S12.E23: Reunion, Part 2

[byrd]

17 minutes ago, Mar said:

Finally someone who is not afraid to speak out!

https://pagesix.com/2022/10/21/kathy-hilton-wont-return-to-rhobh-with-lisa-rinna-erika-jayne/

Thank you for the update, I knew they were connected somehow, it didn't take long for the coven to reel Dorit in.

[Mar]

Lots and lots of people upset about this, as they definitely should be!

Edited October 21, 2022 by Mar
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[Cheyanne11]

7 minutes ago, Mar said:

Lots and lots of people upset about this, as they definitely should be!

Tik Tok is full of people calling Andy out for his favoritism.

[Stats Queen]

2 hours ago, Slakkie said:

other than St Lois of Birds

😹😹😹

[Cosmocrush]

9 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Erika looks so matronly. 

 

Erika is 51 trying to look like a 31 year old porn actress  and it's a total fail.  Embarrassing. 

[Cosmocrush]

3 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Rinna still sucks tho. I mean I get that you're not a Hilton fan. But Rinna is just a very bad person. No matter how "bad" Kathy's reputation is in some people's eyes. 

I agree.  Both things can be true.  I don't care about Kathy one way or the other but Rinna is out of control nasty. 

[CaffeineFree]

On 10/19/2022 at 8:03 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

If you can't say the word and refer to it has the C-word then its the worst word ... point blank period 

Erika's nipple is about to bust out at any second 

She should have just called Diana an evil see you next tuesday. Conversation over.

[Surrealist]

12 hours ago, Melonie77 said:

It's an old antiquated expression that's been around for a couple of centuries. "Send him to the glue factory" evolved from the idea that old horses in the 19th century were used to produce glue. One might say "I'm not quite ready for the glue factory just yet" meaning you don't feel you are that old and infirm. You might also claim that someone else should be sent to the glue factory meaning they no longer have any use. Too bad we can't send Rinna, Erica and Diana to the glue factory.🙃
The 'glue factory' was part of a storyline in Orwell's book Animal Farm. 

Years ago I remember being told the horses' hooves were also used in making Jello/gelatin.

Sorry, OT.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Surrealist

[gingerella]

On 10/19/2022 at 9:08 PM, CrinkleCutCat said:

Why does Kyle get *SO* worked up about Crystal?

Because Vile Kyle thinks she's better than, so she can bully Crystal, so she's like a dog with a bone and she wont let go until Crystal swears fealty to the FFF (Fucking Fetid Four). Kyle's just as much a bully as Asslips and PornGranny (Erika Layme), she just tries to hide it under her cloak of pretend anxiety.

Edited October 21, 2022 by gingerella

[princelina]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

it's extra exhausting to drag out every nugget of "news" out there from the last 100 years. It just dilutes the immediate issues happening on the show in "real time" vs. sorting through age old scandals and controversies.  

I agree!  I'm not a social media type of person so I appreciate those of you who are so I can keep up 😄  But it makes it hard to watch if you don't know what's really going on.  Furthermore, IMO if someone wants to talk about what someone did or said off camera they should have to say what the person did or said, or they shouldn't get any camera time!  I'm talking to both of you, Rinna and Crystal!  If someone did something so terrible it MUST BE SAID then say it.  Don't try to ruin reputations with hints and mysteries.

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/20/2022 at 1:41 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why did Kyle wear that terrible dress? The buckles look like a cross between the buckle on a stroller and the metal hardware on those stretchy rainbow suspenders that were trendy in the 1980s.

Her breasts don't look good in it either. They look a bit saggy, which is surprising as she recently had them done. I don't like Kyle's entire look including hair color. 

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I’d forgotten about that scene at Garcelle’s party. That was uncalled for. You don’t put your hands on someone else, ever. Even if you’re Kyle Richards.

Kyle was really aggressive. She was drunk but that's no excuse. Andy let her off too easily as usual. 

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Mo lusts after Rinna? Of course he’s always high.

I don't believe it. I think he picked Rinna because he knew he couldn't say Dorit. 

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Looking at Rinna's hard plastic implants &/or filler is going to be nightmarish - it's watching a hard plastic doll head like Chuckie come to life

She looks like a drag queen. I laughed when Erika told her she looked good. 

I'm still waiting for Andy to play the clip of Rinna going nuts and lunging at Kim. Let's see how the "shook" snowflake reacts to her own aggressive behavior. Can she get PTSD from watching herself? 

Dorit is a useless flying monkey for Kyle, Rinna, etc. 

[Mrs peel]

On 10/19/2022 at 9:40 PM, bencr said:

When Dorit brought up the "horse/glue" comment by Sutton, I had the feeling Dorit thought she was catching Sutton in yet another muddled comment. I may be reading it wrong, but if I am right this would be consistent with my impression of Dorit as someone who likes to pile on to Sutton to ingratiate herself with the mean girls.

You may be right.  Because I think Dorit is dumb enough she may not have gotten the reference, I was surprised she was willing to admit to her ignorance.

[RealHousewife]

3 minutes ago, Sweet-tea said:

Kyle was really aggressive. She was drunk but that's no excuse. Andy let her off too easily as usual. 

I don't believe it. I think he picked Rinna because he knew he couldn't say Dorit. 

I'm still waiting for Andy to play the clip of Rinna going nuts and lunging at Kim. Let's see how the "shook" snowflake reacts to her own aggressive behavior. Can she get PTSD from watching herself? 

If these ladies are so awful when they're drunk, why do they have to drink so much? And I hate the term "over-served." At least own that you drink too much if you don't own that you were an asshole!

I didn't like that conversation between PK and Mo, but I thought they discussed who looked best that night as far as outfits, not who they wanted to sleep with? Isn't that why Mauricio picked Dorit at first, to be complimentary towards PK? 

Yes! I don't buy that Kathy is this monster and the others are these little wallflowers. Give me a break. Fox Force 5 bunch is all pretty aggressive, with the exception of Teddi and Dorit. 

[RoseAllDay]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Tik Tok is full of people calling Andy out for his favoritism.

I call him out for his cowardice.

This is his show. He calls the shots. He should act like it. Instead, he’s letting certain people with forceful personalities walk all over him at the expense of others, including a young teen.

Coward.

Many notable people have been shunned and have lost careers with their reckless social media posts and actions, so I don’t understand why a washed-up soap actress and an aging cocktail waitress contunually get passes from Bravo TV and Andy Cohen. Good on ‘em if Diana is really gone — but the stable still needs A LOT of mucking out.

[Avaleigh]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

If these ladies are so awful when they're drunk, why do they have to drink so much? And I hate the term "over-served." At least own that you drink too much if you don't own that you were an asshole!

I didn't like that conversation between PK and Mo, but I thought they discussed who looked best that night as far as outfits, not who they wanted to sleep with? Isn't that why Mauricio picked Dorit at first, to be complimentary towards PK? 

To me "overserved" is almost as overused as "my truth". It's a lowkey way to absolve oneself of responsibility when it comes to alcohol consumption. Oh, I didn't drink too much, I was simply overserved. People don't want to take responsibility for cutting themselves off when it comes to drinking, so they want to hand the task over to somebody else. 

With "my truth", there's  been this conflation between a person's perception and objective fact. "My truth" gives people wiggle room to obfuscate, pivot, embellish, downplay, or straight up lie whenever it suits their purpose. Not that everyone does that when using the phrase but it happens enough where I automatically question why a person (particularly a Housewife) chooses to use that phrase in any given conversation. 

Rinna is exactly the sort of person who has abused the phrase "my truth" in the past. (Dorit and Erika have as well.) She uses it so that if cast or viewers find objective discrepancies in her truth that she'll be able fall back on the idea that other people have their truth but it doesn't make her truth any less valid.

Crystal essentially did the same thing in this episode and since we never actually hear the "dark" comment for ourselves, viewers are left to either believe that Crystal is sincere in labeling this as her truth or that she was in fact exaggerating so that the comment would seem more sinister than it actually was. We'll never know and that's why it's frustrating when moments like this become big parts of the conversations between the ladies--if they aren’t caught on camera, the audience isn't really allowed to make an informed decision about these petty squabbles that get blown into battles by the trained assassins. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Avaleigh

[ivygirl]

3 hours ago, Mar said:

Finally someone who is not afraid to speak out!

https://pagesix.com/2022/10/21/kathy-hilton-wont-return-to-rhobh-with-lisa-rinna-erika-jayne/

An interesting bit:

”According to Rinna, Hilton also called Crystal Kung Minkoff and Stracke, 51, “pieces of s–t” who should be “f–king fired” from the Bravo reality show.”

I’m not arguing that Kathy is innocent (she said herself that she said some bad stuff)—but this part doesn’t even make sense. Isn’t she friends with Crystal, enough so to go over to her house and ask for (and receive) snacks? And what on earth would Sutton have done to her—I don’t remember any bad vibes there, and certainly not worthy of THAT level of vitriol. 

Going by all the reunion clips, it seems that Kathy’s anger is directed at Rinna. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by ivygirl

[RoseAllDay]

12 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

An interesting bit:

”According to Rinna, Hilton also called Crystal Kung Minkoff and Stracke, 51, “pieces of s–t” who should be “f–king fired” from the Bravo reality show.”

I’m not arguing that Kathy is innocent (she said herself that she said some bad stuff)—but this part doesn’t even make sense. Isn’t she friends with Crystal, enough so to go over to her house and ask for (and receive) snacks? And what on earth would Sutton have done to her—I don’t remember any bad vibes there, and certainly not worthy of THAT level of vitriol. 

Going by all the reunion clips, it seems that Kathy’s anger is directed at Rinna. 

This is out of control. Enough with the mysteries. What exactly, ladies, do you all have on each other? Did Kathy have much interaction at all with Sutton and Crystal? 

Totally confused here, and pretty close to saying “Screw it.” 

[Melonie77]

1 hour ago, RoseAllDay said:

I call him out for his cowardice.
This is his show. He calls the shots. He should act like it. Instead, he’s letting certain people with forceful personalities walk all over him at the expense of others, including a young teen.
Coward.
Many notable people have been shunned and have lost careers with their reckless social media posts and actions, so I don’t understand why a washed-up soap actress and an aging cocktail waitress contunually get passes from Bravo TV and Andy Cohen. Good on ‘em if Diana is really gone — but the stable still needs A LOT of mucking out.

I still have hope that Andy will take Rinna off the show. I can't get over how serious the current season issues are! Jax's LIFE was threatened with the knee on the neck comment. They should fear any versions of  'cancelling' from viewers due to the racism Garcelle's child was shown. What if someone actually gets hurt?
Lawyers are involved from all different parties and angles. I think Bravo is going to be forced to make changes.  Bravo should be the ones investigating the bot purchase! Perhaps they are doing this behind the scenes.

Andy tiptoes around the ladies at times but I still think he revealed that he is upset at Rinna's SM nonsense during the second part of the reunion....Lisa blamed Bravo/production for the Jax threats! Rinna's SM rants appear to be psychotic. Production has to be careful.

This article summarizes Andy calling out Rinna for the SM crap:

https://pagesix.com/2022/10/19/andy-cohen-blasts-lisa-rinna-for-having-no-impulse-control/

If he has a hard time letting Rinna go maybe he should reduce her to a 'friend-of' and ease her out that way.

I find it interesting that Rinna was NOT supposed to attend Bravocon and only joined at the last minute. She was heavily booed and gave the audience the middle finger.

Andy told viewers to wait until all of the reunion segments air before decisions are made about cast. Maybe he's waiting for the final reaction from fans after Kathy appears? Kathy certainly got a lot of support at Bravocon.

[Jel]

25 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

An interesting bit:

”According to Rinna, Hilton also called Crystal Kung Minkoff and Stracke, 51, “pieces of s–t” who should be “f–king fired” from the Bravo reality show.”

I’m not arguing that Kathy is innocent (she said herself that she said some bad stuff)—but this part doesn’t even make sense. Isn’t she friends with Crystal, enough so to go over to her house and ask for (and receive) snacks? And what on earth would Sutton have done to her—I don’t remember any bad vibes there, and certainly not worthy of THAT level of vitriol. 

Going by all the reunion clips, it seems that Kathy’s anger is directed at Rinna. 

I could see Kathy, pissed that Crystal, Sutton, whoever didn’t leave the club with her after she felt insulted by the DJ(?), spitting out a few nasty words in the heat of anger. From the preview, it sounds like Rinna was egging her on, agreeing with her, uh huh-ing along, thereby encouraging even more from Kathy. Kathy still said whatever she said, and she apologized.  But it also sounds like Rinna was manipulating her as well. Kathy thinks it was a set up by desperate-for-storyline Rinna (and desperate for story distraction Erika). Given what we know about the women involved, I’m much more likely to believe Kathy’s version.

[ivygirl]

1 minute ago, Jel said:

I could see Kathy, pissed that Crystal, Sutton, whoever didn’t leave the club with her after she felt insulted by the DJ(?), spitting out a few nasty words in the heat of anger. From the preview, it sounds like Rinna was egging her on, agreeing with her, uh huh-ing along, thereby encouraging even more from Kathy. Kathy still said whatever she said, and she apologized.  But it also sounds like Rinna was manipulating her as well. Kathy thinks it was a set up by desperate-for-storyline Rinna (and desperate for story distraction Erika). Given what we know about the women involved, I’m much more likely to believe Kathy’s version.

Yeah—I suppose in that context I could see some fiery words happening. Even so—and this isn’t an excuse—it’s nowhere near what Rinna is trying to make it sound like. It’s more like “bad judgment uttered ‘privately’ in the moment” versus “continued unhinged social media rampage of insults (…RINNA)”.

[Hiyo]

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I’m not arguing that Kathy is innocent (she said herself that she said some bad stuff)—but this part doesn’t even make sense. Isn’t she friends with Crystal, enough so to go over to her house and ask for (and receive) snacks? And what on earth would Sutton have done to her—I don’t remember any bad vibes there, and certainly not worthy of THAT level of vitriol. 

Most likely a calculated attempt by Rinna to turn Sutton and Crystal against Kathy,

[Cosmocrush]

2 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

Her breasts don't look good in it either. They look a bit saggy, which is surprising as she recently had them done. I don't like Kyle's entire look including hair color. 

In my opinion Kyle almost never looks good when she tries.  But at home, hair down with a sweater and jeans I think she looks really good.  

2 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

She looks like a drag queen. I laughed when Erika told her she looked good. 

Always consider the source here.  😉

[Melonie77]

More Page 6 articles on Rinna's status:

https://pagesix.com/2022/08/30/bravo-fans-believe-lisa-rinna-is-hinting-at-rhobh-exit/

https://pagesix.com/2022/10/19/lisa-rinna-says-rhobh-needs-a-break-after-horrible-season/

[Natalie68]

18 hours ago, Melonie77 said:

I'm wondering if Rinna may have gone too far with the trouble she created on social media this year and might finally find herself out of a job.

I was surprised that Andy called her out for her crazy Twitter nonsense and continued to drill her over it bringing up the numerous messes she was involved in while complaining about her impulsiveness.
I can't believe Rinna accused the show producers of sending the awful messages to Jax. That accusation made it into the news and I'm sure TPTB are angry and fed up with her impulsive and outrageous SM behavior. She's biting the hand that feeds her and they should throw her right off the gravy train.🤣

This situation w/Jax is a serious legal mess and I wouldn't be surprised if they let both Rinna and Diana go. It does appear as if the decision has already been made about Diana. She did not attend the reunion in person and her zoom call was kept brief. I think they've moved on from her already.
I knew Garcelle was upset with some of the cast but the reunion thus far seems to have exposed just how angry she is and how it has extended well outside the parameters of the show. Diana's SM stalking of Garcelle and Rinna's SM nastiness are just way beyond the pale. I think Diana and Rinna will both be gone next season.

Rinna bringing in attorney's re Garcelle's book, when the incident had been on air, might also put them over the edge.  Rinna's thirsty spawn might have enjoyed the mention.

[Natalie68]

5 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Thank you for this! Some stuff has been waaaaaaayyyy off the RHOBH zone and it's just so far off radar to be impacting show discussion.

Kathy/the Hiltons can be whoever she/they are but what happens on the show is really the main focus. Over the last few years social media and WWHL have been incorporated into the whole because these particulars have started to present itself on the show but I think it's extra exhausting to drag out every nugget of "news" out there from the last 100 years. It just dilutes the immediate issues happening on the show in "real time" vs. sorting through age old scandals and controversies.  

Yep.  Many things can be true.  Kathy was most likely a terrible mother (the boys are nearly feral) she has horrible views on some things and friends (don't want to get political) , took too many drugs in the 80s whathaveyou.  Doesn't change the way I think about this particular instance.  Rinna is pulling shit out of the air.  If she were that scared call fucking 911, get Mo, call Kyle.  Nope, she contacted Erika.  I believe Kathy lost her marbles and was pissed off, said a bunch of shit.  She thought Rinna may be a safe person to vent to especially since it seems Rinna agreed with her at the time (a ruse to get Kathy to spill)!  Rinna is sick.  Normal people don't act like she does and after this gig can she afford to be retired?  She bullied Star Jones who accused her of harassment and being unstable.  Um, that is exactly what we have seen!  She did the same with Kim, LVP, Sutton and now Kathy.  Rinna is toxic.  I don't see a redemption arc happening.

[Mar]

Rinna just reposted about a dozen items that other people have posted in support of her and against Kathy. She also posted a picture of Kathy with Trump. So much for working on her impulse control! She is never going to let this go. The show needs to let HER go. As she has shown us over the years, she will not stop until Kathy is destroyed. Time for some emergency visits to her therapist! If she keeps it up, maybe finally Bravo will let her go. So, PLEASE, keep it up. And just MAYBE Kyle will finally smarten up about Rinna.

update from me again. And yes, I’m a bit obsessed. Two hours later and she still hasn’t been able to stop herself. Here are two examples of things that she’s re-posting. 
She is really crossing the line of even her own warped sense of decency. Unhinged. This should really sealed her fate with Bravo.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Mar

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Melonie77 said:

I still have hope that Andy will take Rinna off the show. I can't get over how serious the current season issues are! Jax's LIFE was threatened with the knee on the neck comment. They should fear any versions of  'cancelling' from viewers due to the racism Garcelle's child was shown. What if someone actually gets hurt?
Lawyers are involved from all different parties and angles. I think Bravo is going to be forced to make changes.  Bravo should be the ones investigating the bot purchase! Perhaps they are doing this behind the scenes.

Andy tiptoes around the ladies at times but I still think he revealed that he is upset at Rinna's SM nonsense during the second part of the reunion....Lisa blamed Bravo/production for the Jax threats! Rinna's SM rants appear to be psychotic. Production has to be careful.

This article summarizes Andy calling out Rinna for the SM crap:

https://pagesix.com/2022/10/19/andy-cohen-blasts-lisa-rinna-for-having-no-impulse-control/

If he has a hard time letting Rinna go maybe he should reduce her to a 'friend-of' and ease her out that way.

I find it interesting that Rinna was NOT supposed to attend Bravocon and only joined at the last minute. She was heavily booed and gave the audience the middle finger.

Andy told viewers to wait until all of the reunion segments air before decisions are made about cast. Maybe he's waiting for the final reaction from fans after Kathy appears? Kathy certainly got a lot of support at Bravocon.

Was she invited last minute or did she crash it?

[Melonie77]

48 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Was she invited last minute or did she crash it?

I'm not sure - does anyone else know whether Lisa crashed Bravocom or if she was invited at the last minute?

I think the news piece I read said she was not expected to be there. I know people were saying she showed up because she was worried about losing her job.

[SemiCharmedLife]

13 hours ago, Hiyo said:

She wants to be a real life human Bratz doll?

The shoes fit!  (literally- those Bratz doll shoes are big and clunky like the kind Rinna likes to wear!). She also has those large glasses as accessories and now, all the wigs.  It's really true.

[SemiCharmedLife]

40 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:

I'm not sure - does anyone else know whether Lisa crashed Bravocom or if she was invited at the last minute?

I think the news piece I read said she was not expected to be there. I know people were saying she showed up because she was worried about losing her job.

I don't think she crashed it, though it was a last minute decision to go.  Jen Shah DID crash the event and wasn't included in any panels or activities.  Rinna was on the BH panel, so it obviously was approved by the powers that be.  I read that she had her Rinna Beauty booth in a vehicle on the street (trailer?), so she may not have reserved space in the building in time.  I wonder how many sales she made after flipping off the fans/potential customers...

[princelina]

5 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

You may be right.  Because I think Dorit is dumb enough she may not have gotten the reference, I was surprised she was willing to admit to her ignorance.

Or she was acting like Kathy, who thinks she's so cute acting dumb (Who's Hunkydory?) 😄

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Rinna is pulling shit out of the air.  If she were that scared call fucking 911, get Mo, call Kyle.  Nope, she contacted Erika.  I believe Kathy lost her marbles and was pissed off, said a bunch of shit.  She thought Rinna may be a safe person to vent to especially since it seems Rinna agreed with her at the time (a ruse to get Kathy to spill)!  Rinna is sick.  Normal people don't act like she does 

The thing that bugs me the most was her "You need help, Kathy" - she can be a work in progress, but Denise was Soooo angry and Kathy needs a therapist.  STFU with that.

[StatisticalOutlier]

Is there an Apology Hall of Fame anywhere?  If so, I nominate Rinna's "I am sorry that I took it out on you.  I'm sorry I took my pain...anger...sadness...and fear out on you."  A true masterpiece.

7 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Tik Tok is full of people calling Andy out for his favoritism.

I want to call him out for not knowing what a rotary phone is.  He's not that young.

4 hours ago, ivygirl said:

An interesting bit:

”According to Rinna, Hilton also called Crystal Kung Minkoff and Stracke, 51, “pieces of s–t” who should be “f–king fired” from the Bravo reality show.

To which I say, "So?" 

[albarino]

3 hours ago, Mar said:

Two hours later and she still hasn’t been able to stop herself. Here are two examples of things that she’s re-posting. 
She is really crossing the line of even her own warped sense of decency. Unhinged. This should really sealed her fate with Bravo.

Thank you for sharing this; I don't do SM.  

Rinna has really come undone.  I hope she gets the help she needs.  Seems like she is in Kelly Bensimon territory here.

[ZettaK]

13 hours ago, albarino said:

Off to left field, I am sure you have your sources for this.  You strike me as a very knowledgeable poster on this forum.

I disagree with your assessment.  As a parent weighing my own will (legal testament), I would never, ever consider my child's spouse when determining how to disburse my (meager) estate.  

The Hiltons had children.  They partied.  I believe they did the very best for them they knew how.  I believe Paris was greatly affected by her journey to Montana (Idaho?).  I also believe Kathy and Rick had consultants who recommended this course of action.

In addition, I believe Rick took Mo under his wing when Mo was getting started and feelings were very hurt when Mo went his own way and took clients with him.  Kathy is allowed her rant.

I posted on threads of other episodes about it. One source is the book The House of Hiltons by Jerry Oppenheimer with testimonies of people who knew the family, even other relatives-  regarding Kathy. Excerpts are available online if one searches the book title and Kathy Hilton for example. Kathy was always obsessed with celebrity and money (and she was upset when Rick Hilton's grandather, and then father left their money to charity). She put makeup on Paris when she was a toddler, and she entered her to pageants. Paris was literally abducted from her bedroom to be sent to an abusive facility for difficult teenagers, something that Paris resents her family for. 

Barron, Rick Hilton's father said specifically that Paris, but Nicky Hilton, as well embarrassed the family with their antics and disinherited them. Instead of leaving his $4.5 billion fortune to his family, he left 97% to the Conrad N. Foundation and split the remaining 3% ($135 million) between about 24 family members. Paris was not named in the will. This info can be found with a simple search. That's why Rick founded his real estate agency. 

A link to some of Conrad Hilton's clashes with the law. Conrad is one of Kathy's sons. Conrad created havoc during a flight and also coined his own catchphrase calling his fellow passengers “fucking peasants” numerous times. He was also caught outside the home of ex-girlfriend Hunter Daily Salomon—and arrested, since Salomon procured a restraining order against him just a month earlier. He used homophobic slurs in court according to court records.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/socialite-conrad-hiltons-journey-to-the-dark-side

Mauricio, Kyle's husband wanted to become a partner at Rick Hilton's real estate agency after many years of working with Rick. Rick didn't agree, so Mauricio left. I don't know if he "took" agents with him, but this is normal if it happened. He founded his own agency which became really successful. Kathy was angry for 10 years because of this. Isn't it a little excessive?

It is also rumored that Rick and Kathy were not too happy Mauricio came into their family because he was Mexican and Jewish. 

Edited October 22, 2022 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

13 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Thank you for this! Some stuff has been waaaaaaayyyy off the RHOBH zone and it's just so far off radar to be impacting show discussion.

Kathy/the Hiltons can be whoever she/they are but what happens on the show is really the main focus. Over the last few years social media and WWHL have been incorporated into the whole because these particulars have started to present itself on the show but I think it's extra exhausting to drag out every nugget of "news" out there from the last 100 years. It just dilutes the immediate issues happening on the show in "real time" vs. sorting through age old scandals and controversies.  

A lot of the storylines are based on what happened outside filming. Why should we have an issue with the Aspen incident when we accepted other storylines? The women have lives beyond what is filmed (the show films for about three, or three and a half months only, and the women film a few days a week), and since this is a reality show, other incidents outside this time frame can be used. It's not "reality" if other sources are not used (like media, or social media). Would you like to hear only Erika's version of her legal problems? Bravo also provides updates of what happened after filming ended at the season finale of each show. It also seems that even if something was filmed, lawyers' letters, or lawsuits prevent us from seeing it. 

The Aspen incident is current, not old news. Rinna's past behavior is old news, but I see we still discuss it constantly.

Edited October 22, 2022 by ZettaK

[princelina]

38 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

A lot of the storylines are based on what happened outside filming. Why should we have an issue with the Aspen incident when we accepted other storylines? The women have lives beyond what is filmed (the show films for about three, or three and a half months only, and the women film a few days a week), and since this is a reality show, other incidents outside this time frame can be used. It's not "reality" if other sources are used (like media, or social media). Would you like to hear only Erika's version of her legal problems? Bravo also provides updates of what happened after filming ended at the season finale of each show. It also seems that even if something was filmed, lawyers' letters, or lawsuits prevent us from seeing it. 

The Aspen incident is current, not old news. Rinna's past behavior is old news, but I see we still discuss it constantly.

IMO because Rinna says something happened that was so horrific it gave her PTSD, and MUST BE SAID, but she won't actually say what it was.  I think Kathy is an asshole, and have never warmed to her on the show, but I'm not going to just hop on board with what Rinna is implying if she won't just tell us what it is!  Say it or shut up is my motto 🤷‍♀️

[Mar]

https://allaboutthetea.com/2022/10/21/investigators-claim-lisa-rinna-orchestrated-bot-attack-on-garcelles-son-in-retaliation-for-including-her-daughter-in-the-book/

The headliner is quite misleading because the so-called investigators are just people on Twitter, but the theory they present seems quite credible and it is an angle that I certainly had not thought of. I really hope that true investigators can get to the bottom of this.

[ZettaK]

11 hours ago, princelina said:

I agree!  I'm not a social media type of person so I appreciate those of you who are so I can keep up 😄  But it makes it hard to watch if you don't know what's really going on.  Furthermore, IMO if someone wants to talk about what someone did or said off camera they should have to say what the person did or said, or they shouldn't get any camera time!  I'm talking to both of you, Rinna and Crystal!  If someone did something so terrible it MUST BE SAID then say it.  Don't try to ruin reputations with hints and mysteries.

Rinna mentioned on the show what Kathy said against her sister (I will destroy her and her family, if this the last thing I have to do), Bravo and NBC, the parent company of Bravo (I will show them, I have big contracts/agreements with NBC), other HWs like Crystal, Sutton, and Dorit (why are they on the show, they should be fired). 

[ZettaK]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

IMO because Rinna says something happened that was so horrific it gave her PTSD, and MUST BE SAID, but she won't actually say what it was.  I think Kathy is an asshole, and have never warmed to her on the show, but I'm not going to just hop on board with what Rinna is implying if she won't just tell us what it is!  Say it or shut up is my motto 🤷‍♀️

But Rinna mentioned what Kathy said. I posted above about it.

[ZettaK]

8 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Was she invited last minute or did she crash it?

Rinna was invited to BravoCon. She was part of the BravoCon pannel. She was booed by some in the very beginning, but cheered on later on. 

[ZettaK]

12 hours ago, gingerella said:

Because Vile Kyle thinks she's better than, so she can bully Crystal, so she's like a dog with a bone and she wont let go until Crystal swears fealty to the FFF (Fucking Fetid Four). Kyle's just as much a bully as Asslips and PornGranny (Erika Layme), she just tries to hide it under her cloak of pretend anxiety.

Crystal was a friend of the coven (that's why they knew about her friends who wanted to be on the show) until she mentioned the "dark" comments without further explanation/elaboration. She participated in their chats. She was the one to say last season that she didn't know who Sutton was, but "she knows everybody who matters"- this phrase was used as the title of her thread in this forum. Kathy, and Erika agreed with her.  

Edited October 22, 2022 by ZettaK

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, Mar said:

https://allaboutthetea.com/2022/10/21/investigators-claim-lisa-rinna-orchestrated-bot-attack-on-garcelles-son-in-retaliation-for-including-her-daughter-in-the-book/

The headliner is quite misleading because the so-called investigators are just people on Twitter, but the theory they present seems quite credible and it is an angle that I certainly had not thought of. I really hope that true investigators can get to the bottom of this.

They kept referring to “Amelia Hamilton,” which you know sticks in Rinna’s craw.

[Hiyo]

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But Rinna mentioned what Kathy said

Kathy admitted she said stuff, but did she co-sign what Rinna claimed she said specifically?

[Keywestclubkid]

On 10/20/2022 at 10:52 PM, princelina said:

My vote is "it never happened" 😁

I love she turned to Dorit and was like do you mind me telling this story and with out a chance for her to answer tells it LOL and Dorit after going I have NEVER heard that before lol

What she left out was a lil backstory on WHY Dorit never heard the story

It was right after PK on his drive home flipped his car off a ravine as it snowed in June after seeing Chris Angel on the strip which he invited Erika and her friend to go see by the way After their porn shoot and he was rushed to the hospital with a head injury but they did surgery on his ankle for some reason (but the reason there is no record of this accident is because he knew all the doctors and nurses and tow people and cops and they didn’t want PK to be embarrassed because he knew boy George so don’t even ask for proof) ….thus resulting in PK not remembering the encounter at all. 
 

oh wait am I getting stories Erika tells more mixed up then she does on retelling? My bad i mixed it up with her other Tall tales about Tom “allegedly” … that never happened.. I apologize 😉

Edited October 22, 2022 by Keywestclubkid

[Cheyanne11]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

The Aspen incident is current, not old news. Rinna's past behavior is old news, but I see we still discuss it constantly.

Because we've seen on the show that this behavior is constant.  She's been doing the same crap for years, so her "I'm grieving/I'm growing" excuse now is bullshit.

[lili45]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Rinna mentioned on the show what Kathy said against her sister (I will destroy her and her family, if this the last thing I have to do), Bravo and NBC, the parent company of Bravo (I will show them, I have big contracts/agreements with NBC), other HWs like Crystal, Sutton, and Dorit (why are they on the show, they should be fired). 

It has been proven that Rinna is known to lie when she recounts stories. It is not advisable to believe anything she states. 

[Keywestclubkid]

6 hours ago, lili45 said:

It has been proven that Rinna is known to lie when she recounts stories. It is not advisable to believe anything she states. 

IE.. Kim is close to death remember her on camera saying it then saying to the girls I don’t recall saying that? Or .. Harry is mad about no apology…or she gets invited to Elton John party every year personally or Kendal Jenner and her mom Kris are “personal” close friends (she admired was a lie) or the whole Munchausen thing etc etc  

Edited October 22, 2022 by Keywestclubkid

[Stats Queen]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

A lot of the storylines are based on what happened outside filming. Why should we have an issue with the Aspen incident when we accepted other storylines? T

Because, we don’t know if Kathy said all the racist and homophobic things Lisa is accusing her of. And Lisa is a lying liar who lies.

I don’t have an issue with discussing the Aspen incident, but I am incredulous that people automatically take Lisa’s word for anything (as I would with any unreliable lone “witness” on any of these shows).

Kathy displayed bad behavior and had maybe a temper tantrum - she admitted to that much. And she raised some kind of ruckus at the club, which several of them had admitted.

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

The Aspen incident is current, not old news. Rinna's past behavior is old news, but I see we still discuss it constantly

Lisa’s past behavior looks a heck of a lot like her current behavior (I mean since the season wrapped filming)

Edited October 22, 2022 by Stats Queen

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Stats Queen said:

Because, we don’t know if Kathy said all the racist and homophobic things Lisa is accusing her of. And Lisa is a lying liar who lies.

I don’t have an issue with discussing the Aspen incident, but I am incredulous that people automatically take Lisa’s word for anything (as I would with any unreliable lone “witness” on any of these shows).

Kathy displayed bad behavior and had maybe a temper tantrum - she admitted to that much. And she raised some kind of ruckus at the club, which several of them had admitted.

Lisa’s past behavior looks a heck of a lot like her current behavior (I mean since the season wrapped filming)

Didn't Fox Force 5 also say they didn't cut Vanderpump slack because according to them she had been pulling the same crap before grieving? Going by that line of thinking, Rinna shouldn't be cut any slack either, right? Not that they care about having the same rules for everyone.

Edited October 22, 2022 by RealHousewife

[65mickey]

If anyone of these women need psychological help it is Lisa Rinna.  Lisa Rinna claims that Kathy Hilton was having a psychotic break and that she, Lisa, was terrified. One of her coworkers is having this issue and losing it so she  contacts Erika Girardi that fount of medical knowledge.  This alone tells me that Lisa is lying about being terrified.  

Was Erika with Kyle at the club while this was going on? I am confused as to who was where.  If Erika was at the club with Kyle why didn't Rinna say get Kyle on the phone ASAP or better yet why didn't Rinna get MO up even if she had to pound on his door?  If all else failed call 911 and tell them there is a woman suffering from a psychotic episode and needs help. I'm willing to bet that Rinna was right there with Kathy egging her on. 

Season after season we have seen and heard Rinna lying and throwing the blame for her misdeeds on others. We have also seen her go ballistic when she thinks someone is getting close to bringing up her family. Unless Kathy went after Rinna's throat with a broken wine glass I don't give a damn about Rinna's supposed PTSD.