S02.E08: Hello Darkness

[Snazzy Daisy]

Could this be Amy Schumer? 🤨

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[Haleth]

Did anyone else sing along to The Sound of Silence? 🙋‍♀️  I bet Detective Williams could belt out a mean SoS.

I think we all knew Kreps was involved, but is he the murderer?  If he is Glitter Guy why did he have the ID of a security guard at Coney Island?  Could it be Howard's new boyfriend?  The person in the passageway while Lucy was hiding sneezed, but he was with Howard when the trio was chasing the suspect in the passageway.  And how does all this tie back to the painting and "Savage 14?"  

I think we can maybe rule out Alice as the murderer.  Maybe.  I'm hoping it's not Theo.  Maybe Teddy?  But that seems to obvious, someone with a grudge.  Nina's husband?  He might have wanted Bunny out of the way.  

The Blimp is not a blimp, it's part of a very contemporary renovation to the building.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Funny theory from Reddit. 😂

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Edited August 10, 2022 by SnazzyDaisy

[Blakeston]

I was a little bothered that Howard was sending his cat away to live with a coworker because of a guy he'd just met.

Why not go out on dates with him, and hang out at his apartment (in freshly laundered clothes), and see if you're compatible first?

Also, talk about coming across as desperate! "I'm going to let my cat live with someone else, and have my home extensively deep-cleaned, and wash all my clothes multiple times, based on that brief conversation we had."

Side note - Howard must be a trust-fund baby to afford a place at the Arconia as a librarian.

[shapeshifter]

58 minutes ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Funny theory from Reddit. 😂
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Thank you for making me smile. Probably not a correct guess (but I'd be okay with it being right!), but I do love it the way it makes fun of tin foil hat theories.

 

2 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Could this be Amy Schumer? 🤨

When you put it that way, yes, it could!

 

26 minutes ago, Blakeston said:

I was a little bothered that Howard was sending his cat away to live with a coworker because of a guy he'd just met.

Why not go out on dates with him, and hang out at his apartment (in freshly laundered clothes), and see if you're compatible first?

Also, talk about coming across as desperate! "I'm going to let my cat live with someone else, and have my home extensively deep-cleaned, and wash all my clothes multiple times, based on that brief conversation we had."

Plus, it seemed out of character for Howard. 
I'm not sure what it means.

Is this the way folks are letting each other know they want to hook up these days?
Like, if I was smitten by someone who was an OG Marie Kondo devotee, would I say: 
     "No problem. Let's got put all my art supplies, drawings, and paintings in the dumpster."
And then they would reply:
     "No need. Let's just go to my place."
????

Or does Howard have a multiple personality disorder?

Or is Howard just not who we think he is?

Or did Mr. Sneeze drug Howard?

Or was it a fake Sneeze because Sneezy is not really gay and is . . . a what? 
One of those people hired to find stolen art works?

Also:
Sneezy said "animals" made him sneeze rather than that he was allergic to cats. 
We were shown that rats are in the passage ways.

Edited August 10, 2022 by shapeshifter

[Snazzy Daisy]

56 minutes ago, Blakeston said:

Why not go out on dates with him, and hang out at his apartment (in freshly laundered clothes), and see if you're compatible first?

I saw some comments online suggesting Howard to “test drive” first before making any drastic/big decisions. 😂

34 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Plus, it seemed out of character for Howard. I'm not sure what it means.

Hopefully Howard will not get murdered by end of this season. We know someone will be.

Edited August 10, 2022 by SnazzyDaisy

[MollyB]

20 hours ago, kay1864 said:

- Lucy, maybe close doors behind you when you’re escaping? Twice?

This.  We saw a shim when Oliver was trying to go get the knife out of his apartment by going through the bathroom tunnel.  Assuming it was still there when Lucy was escaping she could have shut the bookcase and shimmed it closed from her side.  The stalker/murderer would have to find another way into the tunnels that would buy her enough time to get out.

17 hours ago, Lugal said:

Mabel was right, he didn't arrest her when the video of her stabbing someone went viral,

Unless GlitterGuy presses charges the incident can be construed as self-defense or mutual combat.  Witnesses who follow Bloody Mabel would probably say she was the aggressor, but Theo tells it as he saw her being attacked.

14 hours ago, BingeyKohan said:

Did Nina mention where her SO during all of this? 

The silence of his absence is deafening.  If he's the baby's father I think Nina is having second thoughts not only about the Hindenburg Project for the Arconia but him as well.

[Lugal]

12 hours ago, BeeBop88 said:

And whose to say that glitter guy is a guy. Why not glitter girl? That theory has always been in the back of my mind. If it is actually glitter girl, my two female suspects are Alice and Poppy (Cinda's assistant.) Poppy always seemed to me to have a low-key psycho vibe about her.  She just didn't seem normal to me. But then again, that could be due to the verbal abuse and insults she takes from Cinda. 

Oh, and I agree that Krebs is not glitter guy, that is if glitter guy is actually a guy. He is too tall.

The footage on the subway showed the guy Mabel attacking looked pretty tall, but the guy coming after Lucy in Charles' apartment did not.  That would support Glitter Guy and the killer being two different people.  As for Poppy, she struck me more as someone with extreme Stockholm Syndrome after all the abuse she gets from Cinda.  If she were to snap and kill someone it would most likely be Cinda.

4 hours ago, Haleth said:

I'm hoping it's not Theo.  Maybe Teddy?  But that seems to obvious, someone with a grudge.

We saw that Theo and Teddy have ankle monitors.  I would think they would be some of the first people the cops would check.

[Snazzy Daisy]

12 hours ago, BeeBop88 said:

And whose to say that glitter guy is a guy. Why not glitter girl? That theory has always been in the back of my mind. If it is actually glitter girl, my two female suspects are Alice and Poppy (Cinda's assistant.)

Poppy was on the line with Mable when she’s entering the subway. We can see that Poppy was at her office.

[Frost]

I always enjoy watching OMITB, but this one left me kind of cold at the end.  Krebs seems way to tall and big to be the guy chasing Lucy in the wall spaces.  He also seems too big to be Glitter Guy, but hey, black is slimming so who knows?  Why would a homicide detective also have a job as a Coney Island security guard?  I don't think detectives have regular hours so how could he make specific shifts at the park?  He's involved somehow but I can't think of a plausible explanation for him being GG or the Lucy chaser.

I'm also a bit irritated that most of the B plots, or red herrings, from earlier episodes have been dropped.  The painting?  Charles' father?  Bunny's mother?  Alice?  Savage 14?

When the writers take time to build up plot points, I don't want them to disappear and suddenly pop up in the last episode with a hurried resolution/explanation.  I want the same time and care taken with their resolution as their introduction.   Oh well, enough kvetching.  Fingers crossed for the final 2 episodes.

[Atlanta]

13 hours ago, BeeBop88 said:

And whose to say that glitter guy is a guy. Why not glitter girl? That theory has always been in the back of my mind. If it is actually glitter girl, my two female suspects are Alice and Poppy (Cinda's assistant.) Poppy always seemed to me to have a low-key psycho vibe about her.  She just didn't seem normal to me. But then again, that could be due to the verbal abuse and insults she takes from Cinda. 

Now I'll have this song stuck in my head: 

[FGomez]

7 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Could this be Amy Schumer?

I would love the masked character from the passages being Amy instead of Mabel. In my image-centered scheme of things, that would make me easier to find a reasonable theory.

but sorry to say that no way Amy has those meaty lips.

6 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Funny theory from Reddit.

I wonder if I am the only whodunits fan that is also a OMitB fan. Anybody else has read Agatha Christie here?.

That theory is not funny at all. The two great motives for killing are money and love. The monetization of the building would represent a big sum of money. That is the most obvious motive to kill Bunny. The Dimas twist is fine. The second possible motive to kill Bunny is the painting. And that's it. Unless everybody has overlook something very important, any other motive would come out of nowhere and therefore that would be unacceptable.

[Snazzy Daisy]

18 minutes ago, FGomez said:

but sorry to say that no way Amy has those meaty lips.

Amy Schumer could be the one who broke into Charles’ apartment during the blackout. That’s my theory.

Not suggesting she’s the sneezer in Arcatacombs. 👌🏻

[FGomez]

1 minute ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Amy Schumer could be the one who broke into Charles’ apartment during the blackout. That’s my theory.

Not suggesting she’s the sneezer in Arcatacombs. 👌🏻

Yes, I understand that. But no way she is the Glittered Guy, GG is slim. I think the unknown character in the bar is a broad-shoulder man ... not impossible that she is Amy instead, but ... or maybe there are 4 masked characters. Anyway ...

My bet is that the blackout masked character is the same person as McGregor, the "no-friend of Bunny", that is, Nina's lover, that is ... the killer!

[cardigirl]

54 minutes ago, FGomez said:

I wonder if I am the only whodunits fan that is also a OMitB fan. Anybody else has read Agatha Christie here?.

I'd say there are probably a lot of Agatha fans on here.  I'm one of them. P.D. James anyone? Sherlock? 

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I would love the masked character from the passages being Amy instead of Mabel. In my image-centered scheme of things, that would make me easier to find a reasonable theory.

I continue to be perplexed by your theories. 🤨

[LADreamr]

10 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Could this be Amy Schumer? 🤨

Wow, it sure could!  She wasn't even on my radar, but that makes sense.

[BeeBop88]

8 hours ago, Haleth said:

Did anyone else sing along to The Sound of Silence? 🙋‍♀️  I bet Detective Williams could belt out a mean SoS.

I think we all knew Kreps was involved, but is he the murderer?  If he is Glitter Guy why did he have the ID of a security guard at Coney Island?  Could it be Howard's new boyfriend?  The person in the passageway while Lucy was hiding sneezed, but he was with Howard when the trio was chasing the suspect in the passageway.  And how does all this tie back to the painting and "Savage 14?"  

I think we can maybe rule out Alice as the murderer.  Maybe.  I'm hoping it's not Theo.  Maybe Teddy?  But that seems to obvious, someone with a grudge.  Nina's husband?  He might have wanted Bunny out of the way.  

The Blimp is not a blimp, it's part of a very contemporary renovation to the building.

I don't think that Howard's new BF is the killer. I remember Oliver asking Lucy what kind of sneeze did she hear.  And he gave 2 examples of the sneeze. Lucy picked the louder one. To me, Howard's BF had a dainty sneeze, it was not loud or an overbearing one.  I am still leaning towards the killer being a woman. Poppy and Alice and now Amy Schumer. 

LOL at my friend who thinks that Shirley Maclaine's character, Bunny's mom Leonore , is the murderer, that she killed her own daughter. Somehow I don't buy that one. 

Another friend says that she doubts the murderer is a female, since Jan was the murderer last season.  I am inclined to believe this, but not just yet.

[BeeBop88]

4 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Poppy was on the line with Mable when she’s entering the subway. We can see that Poppy was at her office.

Good catch. I completely forgot about that. Hmmm....  It did seem odd that she called Mable to gripe about Cinda. 

I am starting to think that there might be multiple killers. It is NYC after all. LOL!!!

[FGomez]

There is one question for which I cannot find an answer.

It seems that the masked character wanted to kill either Charles or Lucy. But why?

They don't have any idea of who the killer is. Even the superfans know that.

Maybe either Charles or Lucy saw something that they don't realize how important it is for the crime. But what can it be?

[Haleth]

24 minutes ago, FGomez said:

There is one question for which I cannot find an answer.

It seems that the masked character wanted to kill either Charles or Lucy. But why?

They don't have any idea of who the killer is. Even the superfans know that.

Maybe either Charles or Lucy saw something that they don't realize how important it is for the crime. But what can it be?

Maybe the killer is Saz. She wants Charles’ job. 

[Snapdragon]

So while watching this tonight I learned that not only has my husband never watched Last of the Mohicans, he doesn't even know who Daniel Day-Lewis is, which (as someone who watches the Oscars every year) I personally find kind of horrifying.  LOL.  

This show either needs to get greenlit for more episodes each season or tighten up its writing because there are way too many random asides, loose threads and abandoned plotlines.  There's only two episodes left and we don't know anything more than we did after this season's first two episodes.  Actually, maybe they need to have fewer episodes?  Because if all of your releveant content is in the first and last couple of episodes, then you really don't need to stretch your story out with random nonsense in the middle.  It really sucks because the atmosphere and acting on this show are great but the writing is so unfocused that by the end, all the tension and fun have been taken out of the mystery.  

[MollyB]

18 hours ago, FGomez said:

It seems that the masked character wanted to kill either Charles or Lucy. But why?

They and Bunny all have something to do with the painting.  There may be more Rose paintings stashed away in the passages (14 of them?) and the killer thinks Lucy saw them?  (Just a theory, folks.)

[chaifan]

10 hours ago, Snapdragon said:

Because if all of your releveant content is in the first and last couple of episodes, then you really don't need to stretch your story out with random nonsense in the middle. 

Actually, I'd be quite happy with a season of just random nonsense, and no murder mystery to solve.  I love this cast, and would be happy seeing an entire season of Charles, Oliver and Mabel solving the daily Wordle puzzle, chit chatting about random things and running into random neighbors in the hallways. 

[ajsnaves]

I don’t think Glitter Guy is is the same one chasing Lucy through the  Arcatacombs.  They made a point of showing us that person’s shoes when we’ve seen them.  I do think Det. Kreps is Glitter Guy though.  The glitter AND the injury in his arm is too big a coincidence for me. One or the other maybe, but not both. But they seemed to go out of their way not to show his shoes, but they looked like standard issue dress shoes.

As to why he didn’t arrest her.  Maybe because she’s the victim.  It was her bag that was stollen after she was accosted by  masked man trailing glitter on the subway.

I was actually pretty scared for Lucy this episode.  Maybe watching this last thing before bed was not be best move.

I was firmly entrenched in team Howard as the killer until this episode.  But anyone who yodels like an angel like this can’t be a murderer.  I refuse to accept that we live in such a world. 

[Rlb8031]

On 8/9/2022 at 7:13 AM, AnimeMania said:

I am not even sure why all those people were in the lobby, funny there was nobody using the stairs although they seemed to easily be in the lobby one second and in their apartments the next.

Traditionally, in NYC blackouts, people tend to congregate in the lobby and wait for 1) someone else going to their floor; 2) someone to come downstairs with a flashlight who can then escort them back upstairs; 3) a friend who lives on a lower floor that will let them rest in their apartment so they don't have to do a long climb in a single shot.

In many of the older buildings there are no emergency lights, glow in the dark stickers or anything else, and the stairwells in a blackout are pitch black. New Yorkers don't question at all the crowd milling about in the lobby in a blackout.

[AnimeMania]

20 minutes ago, Rlb8031 said:

Traditionally, in NYC blackouts, people tend to congregate in the lobby and wait for 1) someone else going to their floor; 2) someone to come downstairs with a flashlight who can then escort them back upstairs; 3) a friend who lives on a lower floor that will let them rest in their apartment so they don't have to do a long climb in a single shot.

In many of the older buildings there are no emergency lights, glow in the dark stickers or anything else, and the stairwells in a blackout are pitch black. New Yorkers don't question at all the crowd milling about in the lobby in a blackout.

That makes a lot of sense, but don't they have jobs, is it better to rush straight home in a blackout or stay where you are and wait it out. Sometimes they are very short and sometimes very long.

[DoctorAtomic]

They were also giving out Gut Milk in the lobby, so might as well just hang out there with everyone and have a drink. 

[sistermagpie]

48 minutes ago, Rlb8031 said:

In many of the older buildings there are no emergency lights, glow in the dark stickers or anything else, and the stairwells in a blackout are pitch black. New Yorkers don't question at all the crowd milling about in the lobby in a blackout.

Flashing back to my climb to my fourth floor walk up in the 2006 blackout. Pitch. Black. No windows, emergency lights or stickers.

[CraftyHazel]

I can only hope the timeline of events is a little skewed, otherwise both the doorman AND Marv managed to beat our trio to the 14th floor, and Marv started from where they did and managed to get his uniform on as well.  And Charles, Mabel, and Oliver were in such a rush to save Lucy.

[shapeshifter]

15 minutes ago, CraftyHazel said:

I can only hope the timeline of events is a little skewed, otherwise both the doorman AND Marv managed to beat our trio to the 14th floor, and Marv started from where they did and managed to get his uniform on as well.  And Charles, Mabel, and Oliver were in such a rush to save Lucy.

One or more evil twin(s)?!?!!?

😉

Edited August 12, 2022 by shapeshifter

[paigow]

7 hours ago, CraftyHazel said:

And Charles, Mabel, and Oliver were in such a rush to save Lucy.

[FGomez]

I think the Arconia has a strange space-time arrangement.

Sometimes, when we look it from above, it looks like a huge building, that should have dozens of apartments in every flat , lots of stairways and elevators.

But from inside it is a small community of neighbors with only one stairway and two elevators.

That was blatant during the first season, when Jan stopped playing the bassoon at her apartment in the opposite side of the Arconia, and she was at Charles' door in a few seconds.

[Frost]

I'm not arguing the space-time idiosyncrasies of the Arconia.  Aren't there are only three apartments per floor, hence the A, B, or C designation?  So only elevators in the central wing and short hallways for the three entrances per floor.  And of course, oodles of room for the Arcatacombs and secret entrances/exits.

[AnimeMania]

9 hours ago, FGomez said:

Sometimes, when we look it from above, it looks like a huge building, that should have dozens of apartments in every flat , lots of stairways and elevators.

7 hours ago, Frost said:

I'm not arguing the space-time idiosyncrasies of the Arconia.  Aren't there are only three apartments per floor, hence the A, B, or C designation?  So only elevators in the central wing and short hallways for the three entrances per floor.  And of course, oodles of room for the Arcatacombs and secret entrances/exits.

There are some floor plans in the Small Talk: Elevator Chat section showing how I think the Arconia apartments are arranged. The elevators open into a small hallway that gives you access to 3 or 4 apartments per floor. There are several apartments (maybe 12 or more depending on how many bedrooms you want) per floor, but to get to those apartments you would have to take different elevators. I think this is what they were referring to when the mail got mixed up in Season 1 and they mentioned that this could happen because all the Apartments were on the A-line.

[Cranberry]

I posted this back in the episode three thread, but here's a typical floor plan for The Belnord, the real-life Arconia. There are about 16 apartments per floor, but each group of 2-3 has its own elevator.

[ctmd]

My theories:

Krepps is Glitter Guy but not the killer: he texted the crew to get out last season (even though we don't know why). He suspected the crew knew SOMETHING they weren't sharing, and when THEY reached out to him thinking he was the other detective, he took advantage by making arrangements to get the evidence they had. He's also got glitter and a shoulder injury. Seems too far to go to just fake us out. BUT, he was also the one to tell them she was away on maternity leave, so why would he blow his own cover to get the evidence?

Lion King actor just happened to sneeze when Lucy heard him. They seem to be able to hear through the walls in those corridors (although no one can hear the corridors through the walls?). He's a fluke. 

Could Tina Fey's character be the killer, framing the others? seems like a long shot,but her assistant really felt she was capable of anything. Alternatively, could she just be the one setting them up, so that she can have a better podcast? 

So I guess I have no idea who the killer is. Maybe it's the "dead" painter (Rose?). Charles' dad is really Bunny's dad, and Rose is getting her final revenge? 

[snarktini]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:13 AM, AnimeMania said:

Charles is wrong, everybody seemed too tired to cause any chaos when the electricity goes out.

Seems like he has the perspective of someone who lived through the 77 blackout!

On 8/9/2022 at 6:09 AM, shapeshifter said:

At this point Alice seems like no more than a bad friend who initially "slipped into Bloody Mabel's DMs" for Mabel's social media bona fides.

Where did Alice go?! (In the story.) Mabel's memory gap apparently includes this -- it's not just the subway incident that's missing, it's also what led to it. Or she's just not talking about it, which seems unlikely. Wondering what happens when she regains that memory, will that sub-plot pick back up?

On 8/9/2022 at 8:20 AM, shapeshifter said:

I wonder if most of the viewers who want longer episodes are middle-aged or younger?
I'll be 69 in a month, and I am glad they are short. I like not falling asleep in the middle, and I like being able to easily rewatch to catch what I missed.
I also wonder if Steve Martin and Martin Short (who are 76 and 72) feel the same way I do?

IDK. My daughter says I have ADD.

i had to read this a few times because I was so sure you meant to say that middle-aged and OLDER wanted the longer episodes -- it's so commonly stated that it's the "kids these days" who have no attention span lol

On 8/10/2022 at 5:27 AM, shapeshifter said:

Plus, it seemed out of character for Howard. 
 

Really, really out of character, it's not believable he jumped to that despite his desperation for a boyfriend. He did say he'd come back for the cat later, so he was seeing it as a temporary rehoming with his coworker.

[GaT]

1 hour ago, snarktini said:

Where did Alice go?! (In the story.) Mabel's memory gap apparently includes this -- it's not just the subway incident that's missing, it's also what led to it. Or she's just not talking about it, which seems unlikely. Wondering what happens when she regains that memory, will that sub-plot pick back up?

There are only 2 half hour episodes left, even if they pick it up again, they're jut going to be info dumping, along with the DNA test, & who stole the painting & every other plot they've left dangling, & oh yeah, the small detail of who killed Bunny? They tried to do too much this season IMO, it's not as good as season 1.

Edited August 13, 2022 by GaT

[mostlylurking]

On 8/10/2022 at 10:40 AM, MollyB said:

Mabel was right, he didn't arrest her when the video of her stabbing someone went viral,

I thought that was extremely weird.  Like, she assaulted someone and it’s on video.  No one even seemed the slightest bit concerned that she would be arrested or at least questioned?  That was strange.

I still think it’s Theo.  The guy running through the tunnels looked to have his build.

[LuvMyShows]

On 8/12/2022 at 3:33 AM, CraftyHazel said:

I can only hope the timeline of events is a little skewed, otherwise both the doorman AND Marv managed to beat our trio to the 14th floor, and Marv started from where they did and managed to get his uniform on as well.  And Charles, Mabel, and Oliver were in such a rush to save Lucy.

I actually had real trouble with this.  Charles was so worried and panicked about Lucy, and then once they got in the stairwell, it's like it was no longer that important to him.  He or Mabel could easily have gone on ahead, leaving the other behind to deal with Oliver.

On 8/9/2022 at 1:23 AM, sjankis630 said:

The guy who broke into the apartment - the killer - while she was there was clearly trying to get into the passages as they went straight to the bathroom and probably would not have broken in like that if they thought someone was there. 

I actually thought that the killer reacted by being taken aback when he saw the passageway, and was not expecting it.

On 8/9/2022 at 12:21 PM, tennisgurl said:

Oliver isn't wrong about being unable to not sing along to The Sound of Silence, its one of the great folk rock classics! 

OK, I need some help here.  Was that scene with all the Arconia folks singing together literally supposed to have taken place?  If so, I have a hard time believing that the sound of the initial singing travels sooo much that everyone else could hear it.  If that's the case, then pretty much every time someone plays music or listens to the TV even a little loud, then everyone will be able to hear. 

Plus, sorry, but I don't buy for a second everyone knowing the words.  I am in the demographic of the Arconia, and am very familiar with Sound of Silence, but absolutely do not know even half the words.  And my 20-something kids would definitely have had no idea of the words, which I know because we happened to have a conversation about Simon and Garfunkel several weeks ago and they barely recognized the songs when I played them, let alone knew the words by heart.  Sorry, but it took me out of the flow when that happened.

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, snarktini said:

Where did Alice go?! (In the story.)

1 hour ago, GaT said:

There are only 2 half hour episodes left, even if they pick it up again, they're jut going to be info dumping

Yeah, I’m okay if the Alice story is ghosted. 
I mean, she was a horrible friend in the end. 
I don’t need more.  
But if Alice is revealed to be connected to Bunny’s murder — even tangentially — that’s okay too.
 

[shapeshifter]

1 minute ago, LuvMyShows said:

Plus, sorry, but I don't buy for a second everyone knowing the words.  I am in the demographic of the Arconia, and am very familiar with Sound of Silence, but absolutely do not know even half the words.  And my 20-something kids would definitely have had no idea of the words, which I know because we happened to have a conversation about Simon and Garfunkel several weeks ago and they barely recognized the songs when I played them, let alone knew the words by heart.  Sorry, but it took me out of the flow when that happened.

Dear @LuvMyShows,   
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9 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

If so, I have a hard time believing that the sound of the initial singing travels sooo much that everyone else could hear it

With the power out, a lot of the routine noises of the building that would ordinarily drown out bassoon music or yodeling or spontaneous a cappella singing would be silenced.

Plus, the building has a central courtyard, so if windows were opened, sound would echo throughout. 

Or, IRL you are correct, and they would not have all heard the singing, and it was just a bit of storytelling to convey a sense of community.

But did they all hear the singing from their apartments? 
Dammit. I need to rewatch.

[Cranberry]

15 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

And my 20-something kids would definitely have had no idea of the words, which I know because we happened to have a conversation about Simon and Garfunkel several weeks ago and they barely recognized the songs when I played them, let alone knew the words by heart.

I think a lot of people might know the song from the Disturbed cover from 2015 (which is actually really good). Wikipedia says, "Their cover hit number one on the Billboard Hard Rock Digital Songs and Mainstream Rock charts, and is their highest-charting song on the Hot 100, peaking at number 42." Pentatonix also did a cover in 2019 that has more than 127 million views on YouTube.

[LuvMyShows]

This is the list of Questions through episode 8.  It will be updated after each episode.  Any comments/suggestions are welcomed!

Answered:

• Why was Bunny wearing the podcast hoodie? - because the gang gave it to her as a consolation gift when they didn't invite her in, when she brought champagne up to thank them for solving the mystery
• How did the painting, and now knife, get put into Charles' apartment? - someone used the secret passage from his bathroom that Lucy showed them
• Is there anything fishy about Detective Kreps saying Detective Williams is in Denver?  - No, and she came back early from maternity leave cause she couldn't stop thinking about the case

Unanswered:

• Bunny's death:
  • What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "savage" or "Savage" or "passage"?
  • What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "14"?
  • Why was Bunny in Mabel's apartment?
  • Who killed Bunny?
  • Was the knitting needle really Mabel's? - we saw in her flashback that her needle was not there when she went to grab it, but that is not definitive proof
  • Is the murderer the same as the person in the black boots who got off the elevator and came to her apartment?
• Painting:
  • Why was the painting taken from Bunny's apartment?
  • Was the painting in Bunny's apartment already a forgery or did the thief replace it with a forgery? 
  • Was the painting put in Charles' apartment solely as an attempt to frame him for Bunny's murder?
• What is the full story with Charles' father?
• Oliver's bloody knife:
  • Who or what is the source of the blood, and how did the blood get on the knife?
  • Who put it in Charles' apartment and why?
  • Is the knife the same as the knife used as the murder weapon? 
• Who sent the "get out of the building" text?
• Who had they been texting with, since it wasn't Detective Williams?
• Who did Bunny have lunch with at the diner?
• Who did Lucy see in the secret passageway with a mask, wearing booties, and sneezed?
• What was Nina going to put on the roof?
• Why did Nina give Howard the black eye?
• How did the crowd find out about Bunny's murder so quickly to be there outside the Arconia when our gang was taken out in handcuffs almost immediately after the police arrived?
• Why did Lucy really contact Charles at this point?  How long had Lucy been hanging out in the Arconia's tunnels when we see her meet Charles, and what was down the tunnel passage that Lucy claimed "was a dead end"?
• Matchbook found in Mabel's apartment:
  • Who dropped it in Mabel's apartment , and is that the same person who initially picked it up at the diner after meeting with Bunny there?
  • Whose bloody fingerprint is on the matchbook?
• What is behind Detective Kreps' surly attitude?
• Is there any significance to Mabel's father?
• Since Ivan knew that Bunny died, why did he return the money and put it under her door? And did Ivan return ALL the money, since the envelope appeared thicker when Bunny first gave it to him.
• Glitter Guy (GG):
  • Who is GG?
  • Did he have prior knowledge of the bag in the trash can, and if so, how?
  • Why did he have a photo of Lucy?
  • Did he know she had the matchbook in her bag, and if so, how?
  • Why did he attack Mabel on the subway?  Was it just to steal her bag with the matchbook?
• If the video of Mabel attacking the guy on the subway had gone viral, why hasn't anyone come to arrest her?
• Was the blackout a coincidence or sinister, and if sinister, who orchestrated it?
• Who was the guy chasing Lucy in the passageways and what knife was he holding?

Leftover unanswered from Season 1:

• Why was Tim's phone not sent to be examined?
• Why was the detective's request on drug testing Tim's body turned down?
• Who put the note on Jan's door (or was it Jan herself)?
• Who poisoned Winnie the dog?
• Did Evelyn the cat die as Jan said, by coming into Tim Kono's apartment and walking through Tim's poisoned blood?

[mostlylurking]

22 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Plus, sorry, but I don't buy for a second everyone knowing the words.  I am in the demographic of the Arconia, and am very familiar with Sound of Silence, but absolutely do not know even half the words. 

Yeah I called bullshit on that too.  Especially Mabel, she didn’t even know who Sting was last season but now she knows this?  I’m not buying it.

[FGomez]

I don't have any problem with those tricks of fiction, as long as they don't affect the solution of the crime.

[paigow]

On 8/13/2022 at 5:20 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Unanswered:

• Bunny's death:
  • What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "savage" or "Savage" or "passage"?
  • What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "14"?

• Sandwich - A clue to the diner guest, an odd special menu request that can be linked to the occupant of...
• 4D - Call Uber Eats to verify that this is ordered frequently

[Rlb8031]

On 8/11/2022 at 3:28 PM, AnimeMania said:

That makes a lot of sense, but don't they have jobs, is it better to rush straight home in a blackout or stay where you are and wait it out. Sometimes they are very short and sometimes very long.

If the whole city is blacked out, you are trying to head home, unless your commute is such that getting home is impossible. Staying at your job sometimes makes sense, lots of office buildings in NYC have temporary generators so that you still have AC, lights, etc. But if the whole city is blacked out, you want to get home and deal with family, pets, etc. Just like Charles, even if there isn't a killer after them, you don't necessarily want to leave your kids, spouse, elderly parents, etc. alone in the dark in your apartment. And if the whole city is out you are looking at a minimum of 12-24 hours to get power back...its definitely not a couple of hours ordeal.

[jabRI]

On 8/11/2022 at 10:55 AM, MollyB said:

It seems that the masked character wanted to kill either Charles or Lucy. But why?

Lucy revealed see saw the killer that night.

Kreps could be moonlighting at Coney as a guard.  And don't forget, Theo and Mabel grabbed the files and ran, went straight to the diner and the blackout happened.  Ran back to check on Lucy.  There was no time to check all the photo IDs.

[LuvMyShows]

47 minutes ago, jabRI said:

Kreps could be moonlighting at Coney as a guard. 

I admit I'm no authority, but it would seem unlikely to me that a detective would moonlight as a guard...wouldn't that more likely be an officer who hadn't yet reached the rank of detective?