S13.E14: Country Chaos

[Retired at last]

I am so glad that Brett FINALLY spoke her mind and let Ryan know how she was feeling and how much she tried. And, also glad that Bao realized that she had allowed herself to be abused and was going to stop it. I sure hope that they ask the women first on D day, so that the guys don't say it first  and then the women have no choice.

I am also frustrated with Ryan that he keeps saying and thinking that he is going to be more thoughtful, but he NEVER SAYS ANYTHING TO BRETT!!! Neither one of them actually speak to the other one. One says something, the other says, "yeah." Now, Ryan is disappointed because he was going to use that weekend as a chance to get things going again - which I don't believe. But, how the heck is Brett supposed to know why he said they could share a bed - he never says anything.

I LOVED sparklers for Baxter. That made me cry. I don't care if it was producer directed, it was still lovely. It would be great if the others really thought of it, but it was a wonderful gesture and I wish I would have thought of that when I lost my sweet girl this summer.

Can Rachel stop talking about how happy they are and actually smile? I don't like either one of them and I don't see a long term future for them, but I don't care, either. I hope they don't end up on Couples Camera, unless it has been more than a year.

Myrla and Gil are OK. I do like their connection, but once you get her out of her house, she offers nothing. She is just so selfish that she seems so inflexible and, yes, negative. She does seem happy with Gil, which is shocking, but long-term, he is a happy guy with friends and likes people and will not want to be stuck at home or going to places he doesn't like just to keep her happy. I do understand being uncomfortable in groups, but she has been with these people for a while now and can do more than sit under a blanket and saying nothing. She, at least, owns her behaviors and know who she is, but she isn't a good match for Gil.

There are no more words for the crazy lady and Zack. She needs so much therapy, but it probably won't help. She says words that she understands her behaviors, but she doesn't really. She keeps thinking that she can say that she's sorry and it is all wiped out. What I still don't understand, though, is why she had to call her sister to come get her. All of the couples are going back to the same place and she could have ridden with one of them or even production. But, it was good that she did leave. She really brought the whole group down. I liked that they had a positive time playing with the baby animals.

ETA - I forgot to say how happy I was to see Hype. He certainly was well-behaved. I wish we had seen more of him. Also was nice to see that video of Baxter playing with Masie. 

 

1 hour ago, CSunshine76 said:

Those Party City straw hats were doing no one any favors. Production could have stepped it up a. It in the hat department.

In Texas, no less! They should have had MUCH better hats in normal colors.

Edited October 21, 2021 by Retired at last

[Crashcourse]

1 hour ago, GettingGray said:

 I believe Boston is before San Diego.

I still have high hopes for San Diego though.  😊

It'll be nice to be on the west coast for a change.

[suzeecat]

11 hours ago, Spectator said:

Why would anyone with a hurricane-prone personality ever ever ever think going on a reality tv show would be a good idea???? 

She probably got paid extra/bonus for the added entertainment value.  Reality gold, right there!!!

Too bad they couldn't have matched her up with our dear Chris from last season.  Woo-boy, now THAT would have been interesting!!!

Edited October 21, 2021 by suzeecat
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[Crashcourse]

I laughed at Bao creating her "gourmet" meals for the group.  I'm guessing that was producer driven.  Johnny looked like he was trying not to choke on the food.

[LennieBriscoe]

1 hour ago, GettingGray said:

That's right Brett, not having a relationship for two years is getting along without him (and nobody else)

Do you think that Brett wasn't getting along without Ryan specifically, which is what I wrote? 

I didn't write that Brett was simply hunky-dory being without anyone. She went on this show, duh. 

And let us not forget that she did fall for Ryan, despite their differences and his indifference. 

But people in or seeking a relationship with unrequited feelings from The Other benefit, IMNSHO, from advice to remember their autonomy and their strength before the unfortunate match-up. 

Being alone vs. being made to feel sad and inadequate by an uncaring partner? Yeah, that choice is what's commonly known as a "no-brainer."

One last point: Baxter. I believe that having to accept his death and cope with his absence from her life has aided Brett in knowing now, in her heart as well as mind, that bidding farewell to Ryan will be in comparison a proverbial piece of cake. 

She's zen, and Ryan doesn't like it. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by LennieBriscoe

[StatisticalOutlier]

12 hours ago, CSunshine76 said:

Are you serious? Driving from Brenham to Houston? You’d be on major highways the entire time. It’s not Vidor in the 1960s. Good Lord.

The OP called it "Bumfuck Texas," so I think there was a lack of knowledge of where exactly Zack would be driving.  It won't be long before Brenham is a suburb of Houston.  I am glad they showed Ryan saying he grew up 15 minutes from there--I'd wondered.

And BTW, you might want to update your "Vidor in the 1960s" by at least 30 years.  ☹️

[Auntie Anxiety]

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I love her, too. I hate phonies, ass kissers, bullshitters or people that crave attention. She is none of those things. She is my people. 

I didn’t like Myrla at all initially, but I’ve come to love her. She’s unapologetic about who she is and what her goals are. She has enough self-esteem and self-respect to accept criticism graciously and, although she may or may not decide to change, she considers it/doesn’t dismiss it in its entirety and doesn’t get overly defensive.

The homage to Baxter had me in tears. Losing a beloved pet is traumatic. I had to put my 14.5yo dog down in January 2020 and I still miss her every single day. My life revolved around her. I hope Brett gets a new puppy soon. 

[kristen111]

15 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Batshit crazy Michaela is absolutely right.  Why in the bluedillyfuck hell would it make sense for them to get divorced and then "get to know each other" like Zack is proposing?  Like she said, he already knows who she is.  

He’s full of shit.  It’s a way of letting her down easy.  As soon as the divorce papers are signed, she will never see him again.  

 

[Spectator]

Omg! Why do Jamie and Dr Viv continue to excuse Mikaela’s behavior??! The issue of her cancelling the call with Zach’s brothers came up again on unfiltered. It sounds like she didn't call in at the scheduled time so her sister eventually called to cancel it, seemingly in the middle of or after the appointment. So after Zach explained this on unfiltered, Dr Viv asked Zach if he knew why she skipped it (with a very aggressive and accusatory tone). Zach stated that apparently she was having some sort of a mental breakdown. So theeeennnnn, Dr Viv actually said that that “sounded like a good reason”, as if that made it all ok. Omg! Why is it that instead of encouraging Mikaela to get help for her obvious mental issues, all these people seem to just accept it and expect Zach to accommodate all of her explosions??? Not only could she not handle participating on the call, she couldn’t even manage to cancel it in a timely manner??? That’s just rude, disrespectful  and selfish and that sort of behavior just doesn’t fly in the real world. How many times will people excuse her bad behavior because she’s been “triggered” or is having yet another breakdown?????

This is really pissing me off. The girl is sending out major signals that she needs serious counseling and all of the people in a position to actually help her are completely ignoring them. Instead they are blaming Zach for not being understanding of her issues??? Wtf??? I’m willing to bet that no mafs participant, Zach included, sign up for the show expecting to have to navigate serious UNADDRESSED mental health issues with their spouse. Zach didn’t sign up for this so the show really should not criticize him for reacting to her repeated outbursts. 

I would have been out of there a long time ago if I were Zach. 

[kristen111]

If Brett would give Ryan the boot to his face and keep acting indifferent, he would be shocked and might do a 180.  She’s too easy with him. She acts like a door mat around him.  She already wore her heart on her sleeve, and I think he needs a challenge.  If she thinks he’s worth it.  I don’t know how she took his indifference this long.  He’s a crab.

[kristen111]

Does Zack need to be hit on his head with a shovel?  Dump the nut job, and go on your way Decision Day.  It will never work.  What’s wrong with him?

[Jeanne222]

Ryan did seem a bit more interested once Brett spoke up. Maybe she was just too nice 

Men like bitchy wives. Ask my husband!  Lol

[psychoticstate]

First things first, Lifetime, this was NOT an enjoyable or entertaining episode.  Michaela needs help.  We'll get back to her.

Loved the ranch.  I'm not a country person (hey there, Brett) but that looked like a nice, relaxing weekend (Michaela and Zak shenanigans aside).  

With a few others, I actually love Myrla.  I think she is the most authentic MAFS this season.  She is who she is and that's that.  And I say that as someone who did not like her in the first episode(s) and who thought she and Gil had the worst match (before Michaela and Zak said "hold my beer.")  

Gil, honey, I am not as "princessy" as Myrla but I'd be thrilled too if someone told me they had booked the penthouse suite at the Ritz Carlton for me.  Just saying.  

I liked the horseback riding but I'm with Myrla.  I would want to move a little faster and get better views.  Good on Gil for doing something that Myrla wanted to do and enjoyed (take note, Vincent from the ATL.)  

Hype!  Yay, Hype!  He was so chill coming into the house (and with all these lunatics around.) 

I consider Johnny a Class A Fuckwit (and I liked him at the start) but the doggy-bone cookies with Baxter's name and the sparklers was one of the sweetest tributes to a pet I've seen.  What a wonderful thing for them all to do for Brett.  

Why did Johnny go to the couples retreat if his plan of action was to avoid Bao as much as possible?  Bao deserves so much better.  Johnny deserves a kick in the pants.  

Why didn't Johnny participate in the skeet shooting?  Was it because Bao was down for trying it?  He really does deserve that biggest drama queen crown Bao gave him.  (Bao for the win.)  

Brett and Ryan are just consistent missed opportunities.  Ryan says he wishes he could give Brett more support over losing Baxter.  Well, why aren't you?  Dude, you are a dog dad.  You should be able to relate to her grief and even if you don't feel that she's the wife you wanted, she's a human being who is grieving.  If you like her, even just a little, how hard is it to say "I'm here if you need me" and give her a hug?  These things aren't difficult.  Small children do them instinctively.  I get these two are very awkward together but I think in part it's due to the fact that neither of them seem capable of having a conversation with the other.  Have they not been capable of having a movie night at home, where each chooses one movie they like and then they can talk about that?  Have they not spoken about past relationships?  Do they talk about work?  Do they talk to each other about anything at all?  Lord, they are tiring.

Rachel and Jose really didn't do much other than winning games of cornhole.  

Now for the nonsense.  When Michaela clearly isn't living at the apartment and she and Zak turn up at the retreat saying that they are so happy, everything is perfect, speak your truth, etc., you just know it's going to get ugly.   So they decide (off camera) that their plan of action is to decide to divorce on Decision Day but then basically date each other and try to work things out, without the entire "process" being involved.  Well, that seems nuts.  I mean, you're already married.  I get wanting to work on things without the camera crew being present and all but Zak, honey, you have been shown the light.  You have seen the many, many red flags, the first of which started when your new wife left you in Florida with COVID to return to Houston.  Your relationship with Michaela is not healthy for either one of you.  

That said, I initially thought that Michaela was being attacked by a swarm of bees at Zak's talking about the divorce plan.  WTH is wrong with her?  This is exactly why he really don't want to be with her, IMO.  I don't think he truly has any intention of dating her or trying to work things out after they divorce; I think he's trying to keep the peace (and his throat from being cut) as much as possible because Michaela ain't right.  

Why these couples think right before bed is the perfect place to have Serious Conversations is beyond me but here we are.  Michaela flips out over the divorce plan and then tells Zak he can leave, she doesn't need him, she does not want to ride back to Houston with him the next day.  So when he says he will leave right then, she flips again and says that she has no problems riding with him and she just misunderstood what he was saying.  Say what now?  Then they get into it again and Michaela tells him to leave and denies that she ever said she was down with riding back to Houston with him.    Houston, we have many problems.  

Zak is not innocent but this is ridiculous.  Michaela is two seconds away from burning the entire house down just to show Zak or take Zak out.  Like I said, girl ain't right.  

Then after calling her sister and getting her sister involved, she pivots again and then tells Zak that since it's late (11 p.m.), he should just stay, go to sleep and then get up in the morning and he can leave.  From anyone else, that makes sense.  However, from Category 5 in the room with him, I don't blame him for being worried that he will be smothered by a pillow in the night.  

So Bao gets woken up and is listening and then watching (once the screaming match moves into the hallway) in horror.  Even Hype, who is chilling in his bed, is looking at these two like "People, please."  Love Hype!  

Long story short, Zak leaves - although it seems like the MAFS-ers who are still downstairs may have been in the process of calming him down and getting him to change his mind until Hurricane Michaela blows in.  

I have to say, were I in the market for a home in Houston I would never, EVER call Michaela the realtor after watching her here.  After Zak leaves, Hurricane Michaela takes her damaging self back inside, where she throws a table, attempts same with the pool table, breaks at least one wine glass and then has to be restrained by someone in production before she slams the bedroom door.  Girl . . . 

Jose needs to get his whiteboard out and carefully outline for Zak and Michaela what's what because we all know the "experts" aren't going to address the mentally ill/chemically imbalanced elephant in the room.  This. Is. Not. Normal. Behavior.  And this is not because Michaela has abandonment issues.  This is much deeper than that.  

Shame on the "experts."  Zak and Bao should be lining up to kick the experts in the teeth over their matches.  Gah.  

 


 

[Auntie Anxiety]

I got the distinct impression that Zack (Zak? Zach?) doesn’t want to be married to Michaela (or have anything to do with her after Divorce Day), but that they are having sex and he didn’t necessarily want to stop just because their relationship was doomed.

[Jeanne222]

I hope Zac is using some kind of protection!  Can you imagine being tied to Michaela forever!

[Matty]

I laughed out loud when they were playing the game and the question was "Who is the biggest diva" (I'm paraphrasing) and Bao was writing Johnny's name down and musing about him and his face appeared in the mirror. The editors have a sense of humor.

[pdlinda]

17 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Yes he does, and it also looks like he's gained some weight since the wedding day.

The weight gain was the first thing I noticed.

[pdlinda]

17 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Man, Michaela goes from zero to 100 in three seconds. 

This may be explained as an untreated (maybe undiagnosed) serious mental health condition.

[karenbrady]

17 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

She considers them beneath her. Complains about an activity she wanted.  Couldn’t wear a cowboy hat like the rest of them 

She absolutely considers them all beneath her. Glad to see someone besides me sees it.

[NoWhammies]

Since pretty much everything has been said about the big drama, I have nitpicks about little things...especially skeet shooting. 

I was horrified at how casual they were with the guns and their lack of any gun safety. It was clear Bao didn't have a ton of gun experience (if any), and nobody (Ryan) bothered to teach her to handle a gun safely, which was dangerous because she was inexperienced and handling it very casually (so casually it went off when she wasn't aiming it or in control of it...at that moment, the gun should have had its safety engaged). This is how gun accidents happen. It's lucky the gun was mostly pointed downrange at that time.

At the very least, big experienced gun guy Ryan should have told her to seat the shotgun against her shoulder when she shot it because it was going to kick like a mule. She made a common beginners' mistake and left a gap between the gun butt and her shoulder, which is why it kicked her so hard. It's evident in the nighttime scene when Zac is trying to leave and Bao has a huge bruise on that arm where the gun kicked her. 

Also - in some ways, I get Myrla. I am also the most likely to leave a party early because I am an extreme introvert, and while I'm social, when my energy is drained by the social situation, I'm just done and need to go poof. It's like hitting a wall. I don't understand the negativity, etc., but I totally get the introversion. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by NoWhammies

[Spectator]

1 hour ago, psychoticstate said:

I have to say, were I in the market for a home in Houston I would never, EVER call Michaela the realtor after watching her here. 

Ditto. I often wonder what kind of damage the participants do to their careers after showcasing their “crazy” on this show. I would think in Michaela’s case, the damage to her real estate career will be devastating. Who wants a loose cannon negotiating on their behalf when making what will likely be the biggest purchase of their lives? Answer: no one. 

[Spectator]

Michaela’s sister sure does put up with A LOT by having michaela as a sister. I’m a big fan of family supporting family, but there comes a point in time when enough is enough. I think that point came a long time ago with regard to these two. I have a feeling her sister devotes an extraordinary amount of time putting out all of Michaela’s fires since Michaela seems to drag her into her muck regularly (and there seems to be a constant flow of muck in michaela’s life!). Just in the last two episodes, the sister had to cancel the planned zoom call with Zach’s family when Michaela was too deep in her breakdown to do anything herself, including just cancelling the meeting. More recently, she was the one on the receiving end of Michaela’s late night phone call from the ranch as Michaela was having yet another one of her childish outbursts. 

Michaela seems to bitch to her sister seeking support in an effort to validate her routinely over the top feelings (and thus excuse her bad behavior). Plus Michaela has become accustomed to her sister cleaning up whatever mess Michaela has made as a result of this bad behavior. Sadly, functioning as Michaela’s life crutch in such a manner has led to reduced accountability on Michaela’s part, so the bad behavior continues relatively unchecked. Dr Viv and the rest of the MAFS team aren’t helping either, as they, too, are regularly trying to explain away her bad behavior.

I would never try to diagnose Michaela from afar based on TV show clips, but it is crystal clear that the girl needs serious help. I hope she gets it.

[Elizzikra]

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What I still don't understand, though, is why she had to call her sister to come get her. All of the couples are going back to the same place and she could have ridden with one of them or even production.

She didn't need to call her sister. She's a drama queen and she wanted to up the ante by involving a third person in the fight. She also was hoping sis would take her side and give Zach a talking to...

That said, I would not have been the first person to step up and volunteer to give Michaela a ride back. I would not want to be trapped in a car with her for any length of time.

Also, why were Michaela's boobs wet when she was having the big fight with Zach (when she was in the pink dress, not the pajamas). 

[karenbrady]

Johnny's shorts all look like panties on him. 

Kayla is not well and should be severely embarrassed by last night's show. For one. She should be embarrassed by most of her episodes but last night's was the end-all be-all. Zach is so beta and as annoying as she is.

Myrla does not have time for any of these people.

Gil does alot of criticizing for someone who's clothes are 2 sizes too small for him.

Ryan should have left with Zach because he's useless and I'm glad Brett told him to sleep anywhere but her bed. 

Never noticed til this ep just how small in stature Jose is. That's why he has to control and carry on. 

When Bao starts pontificating it's hard to get her to stop.  Alright Bao. Worry about your own mess of a marriage.

Best thing last night were THOSE BURGERS & TOTS!! I didn't hear a word those people were saying. 

[Retired at last]

11 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Also, why were Michaela's boobs wet when she was having the big fight with Zach (when she was in the pink dress, not the pajamas). 

She was sweating under them. Temper tantrums work up a lot of energy! But, I will say that in the past, I thought Michaela was much heavier than she appeared last night, mostly because of what she wears. Last night she looked pretty trim. Crazy, but trim.

[ByTor]

3 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

I will say that in the past, I thought Michaela was much heavier than she appeared last night, mostly because of what she wears. Last night she looked pretty trim. Crazy, but trim.

Yeah, I recall her looking great in her wedding dress.

[LennieBriscoe]

3 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Ryan did seem a bit more interested once Brett spoke up. Maybe she was just too nice 

Men like bitchy wives. Ask my husband!  Lol

My husband must have, too! I have a fridge magnet that says "Being a crabby bitch is part of my charm." He never spoke against it! 😄

[Gabs66]

19 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I think Myrla's just more laid back than the other women.  I did notice her nodding a little when Bao was talking.  I'd say she's just disinterested.

I think Myrla has a touch of social anxiety. I can relate. I, too, don't like to go to other people's houses and would rather they come to me, or we meet at a restaurant. I am always the one who wants to leave the party first. I am uncomfortable when it's a group of people all talking at once. 
I also made my living on the radio, all alone in a room, communicating with thousands. For someone like that just agreeing to a show like this is a huge thing.

[Stinamaia]

16 hours ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

I guess I don’t understand what the big deal was. If he got tired, he could get a hotel room for the rest of the night.

It’s only about an hour to Houston from Chappell Hill especially at that time of night. 

[ByTor]

1 minute ago, Stinamaia said:

16 hours ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

I guess I don’t understand what the big deal was. If he got tired, he could get a hotel room for the rest of the night.

It’s only about an hour to Houston from Chappell Hill especially at that time of night. 

I didn't see the episode yet, I tried but fell asleep. Was he drinking? Could that have been the issue with him driving?

[pdlinda]

2 hours ago, NoWhammies said:

Since pretty much everything has been said about the big drama, I have nitpicks about little things...especially skeet shooting. 

I was horrified at how casual they were with the guns and their lack of any gun safety. It was clear Bao didn't have a ton of gun experience (if any), and nobody (Ryan) bothered to teach her to handle a gun safely, which was dangerous because she was inexperienced and handling it very casually (so casually it went off when she wasn't aiming it or in control of it...at that moment, the gun should have had its safety engaged). This is how gun accidents happen. It's lucky the gun was mostly pointed downrange at that time.

At the very least, big experienced gun guy Ryan should have told her to seat the shotgun against her shoulder when she shot it because it was going to kick like a mule. She made a common beginners' mistake and left a gap between the gun butt and her shoulder, which is why it kicked her so hard. It's evident in the nighttime scene when Zac is trying to leave and Bao has a huge bruise on that arm where the gun kicked her. 

Also - in some ways, I get Myrla. I am also the most likely to leave a party early because I am an extreme introvert, and while I'm social, when my energy is drained by the social situation, I'm just done and need to go poof. It's like hitting a wall. I don't understand the negativity, etc., but I totally get the introversion. 

Every point you made is well taken and important!!

Why they didn't edit out the parts of the skeet shooting scenes to avoid the horrendous safety issues you pointed out is disturbing.  I was sitting there watching this potential "accident" (like a slo-mo re-enactment of a car chase) with gritted teeth and a clenched fist!

I also get Myrla and, like you, loathe social gatherings (ESPECIALLY "parties") where I sense the free flow of alcohol (that I don't participate in drinking) causing a lot of conversational/emotional "chatter"/ behavior that makes me very uneasy.  I become socially isolated (by choice) and leave early for my survival as a sane person.

Watching these couples (misfits) try to wade through the somewhat ridiculous stunts production is putting them through to head toward DD is tedious and tiresome.  Most seem like they're being held hostage to the requirements of the show.  This season has really been dreadful (last season no better).  

I sincerely believe the pool of participants for this show is shrinking in direct proportion to the mismatches that seem to be more and more prevalent.   Regardless of DD, I don't see ANY of these couples making it in the real world (irrespective of their desire to extend the TLC pay check into the "couples cam" arena).

[greeneyedscorpio]

2 hours ago, NoWhammies said:

Since pretty much everything has been said about the big drama, I have nitpicks about little things...especially skeet shooting. 

I was horrified at how casual they were with the guns and their lack of any gun safety. It was clear Bao didn't have a ton of gun experience (if any), and nobody (Ryan) bothered to teach her to handle a gun safely, which was dangerous because she was inexperienced and handling it very casually (so casually it went off when she wasn't aiming it or in control of it...at that moment, the gun should have had its safety engaged). This is how gun accidents happen. It's lucky the gun was mostly pointed downrange at that time.

At the very least, big experienced gun guy Ryan should have told her to seat the shotgun against her shoulder when she shot it because it was going to kick like a mule. She made a common beginners' mistake and left a gap between the gun butt and her shoulder, which is why it kicked her so hard. It's evident in the nighttime scene when Zac is trying to leave and Bao has a huge bruise on that arm where the gun kicked her. 

Also - in some ways, I get Myrla. I am also the most likely to leave a party early because I am an extreme introvert, and while I'm social, when my energy is drained by the social situation, I'm just done and need to go poof. It's like hitting a wall. I don't understand the negativity, etc., but I totally get the introversion. 

I agree!  I'm not a gun person and have never shot one, but even I could tell how casually they were treating the skeet shooting.  I was very nervous the whole time.  And I noticed Bao's bruise, but thought it was a bug bite.  Forgot about the gun kick.  

Extroverts generally don't understand introverts and in my experience, they don't have much patience for our ways.  At first I thought Myrla was a snob (and she is in many ways, like insisting on the finer things) but introverts get drained by crowds and a lot of socializing.  Doesn't mean they don't like people or think they're better.  Doesn't mean they're not social, just means they need their alone time to re-charge.  I see that in her for sure. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by greeneyedscorpio

[Stinamaia]

17 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I didn't see the episode yet, I tried but fell asleep. Was he drinking? Could that have been the issue with him driving?

It could have been, but it didn’t seem like it was.  

[kristen111]

4 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Ryan did seem a bit more interested once Brett spoke up. Maybe she was just too nice 

Men like bitchy wives. Ask my husband!  Lol

Absolutely correct.  Men like a challenge.  She was too easy in every way and should never have said she’s had trouble before.  Ryan in the car going to the ranch was so crabby.  I would have made him turn around and go home.  Who wants to be with a crabby ass like him for the weekend?  She should ignore him like he ignores her.  Right now, the only ones I like are Jose and what’s her face.  He made a mistake and learned from it.  I hope.  Myrla is a pain in the ass.  She’s always on that phone like she’s bored. She didn’t like the cabin either.  What exactly does this Primadonna want?  Hi class everything?

 

3 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I hope Zac is using some kind of protection!  Can you imagine being tied to Michaela forever!

OMG, you are right.  I think she’s desperate enough to trick him.

[Crashcourse]

I think Johnny looks kinda cute in his shorty shorts.  

[kristen111]

21 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Johnny Johnny Johnny suck it  up and sleep in the bed. It won’t kill you 

This guy is fucking annoying.  One minute he’s sleeping with Bao, the next he’s sleeping in another room.  He doesn’t know what he wants.  Not marriage material at all.  He’s wasting her time.  Very immature.

[Auntie Anxiety]

Last night on the show, Michaela (I think it was her) once again alluded to the yet-to-be-actually-spelled-out incident that happened the first time she tantrumed (the “traumatizing” dog daycare situation). There must have been something REALLY bad and sketchy that she did they was never shown nor discussed with any specificity whatsoever. Maybe she hit him? Or threw something at him? Or acted even crazier than we’ve seen since? I’d love to know the facts.

[kristen111]

21 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I think Myrla's just more laid back than the other women.  I did notice her nodding a little when Bao was talking.  I'd say she's just disinterested.

What are her interests anyhow?  She doesn’t seem to like much.

[Jax7917]

Michaela most definitely needs a tranquilizer , however what Zack said would have pissed me off too . Let’s get divorced then date that way we can try to make it work . Wtf ?  Yes , Michaela is loud and explosive , but he’s very immature and I think he’d fail in any marriage he was in . He even said as much in the convo with Dr. pepper . If things aren’t perfect , he runs . I think he’s loving that she’s giving him a valid reason to run , that way it’s not his fault that it didn’t work out . 

[Elizzikra]

3 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

What are her interests anyhow?  She doesn’t seem to like much.

Fashion? Fine dining? Travel? And if she can afford them, I don't see why any of those are less valid than any other interests.

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I think Myrla's just more laid back than the other women.  I did notice her nodding a little when Bao was talking.  I'd say she's just disinterested.

I don't think that Myrla is disinterested or that she thinks the other people are beneath her. I think that she is very introverted and something of a homebody. I also think that this group hasn't really formed the friendships that the people on other seasons have and that sort of makes sense to me. The only thing that they have in common is being on the show. I think that Myrla has her friends and her family and her life and she was interested in adding a husband to that, but not necessarily a friend group and a whole set of additional activities. 

Truthfully, aside from that amazing house and the activities, that weekend seemed like another circle of hell. Half the couples aren't getting along and some of the individuals are downright unpleasant to boot. I'd be pretty quiet and keep to myself with that crowd too.

[Jax7917]

3 hours ago, Retired at last said:

She was sweating under them. Temper tantrums work up a lot of energy! But, I will say that in the past, I thought Michaela was much heavier than she appeared last night, mostly because of what she wears. Last night she looked pretty trim. Crazy, but trim.

I think she needs a hair intervention . She looks like a legitimate clown with that hair .. and I think it makes her look heavier than she is 

[Adeejay]

50 minutes ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

Last night on the show, Michaela (I think it was her) once again alluded to the yet-to-be-actually-spelled-out incident that happened the first time she tantrumed (the “traumatizing” dog daycare situation). There must have been something REALLY bad and sketchy that she did they was never shown nor discussed with any specificity whatsoever. Maybe she hit him? Or threw something at him? Or acted even crazier than we’ve seen since? I’d love to know the facts.

When they were discussing what happened, Michaela called Zach "a mutha fvcking liar."  There is absolutely no coming back from that.  Especially from someone you just met.  

[Spectator]

37 minutes ago, Jax7917 said:

I think she needs a hair intervention . She looks like a legitimate clown with that hair .. and I think it makes her look heavier than she is 

There was a scene in Mikaela’s and Zack’s apartment when Mikaela was sitting at a table and Zack complimented her on her natural hair and natural look. He was right. She looked great that day and I’ve never seen her sport that look since. Her hair was styled plainly around her head, without extensions or the hair bands and clips that make the “poodle ‘doo” she’s been showcasing lately (where her hair is basically pulled flat as a pancake on the top of her head then breaks into a huge puff at the back….Not good). I think her hair would benefit from a lot less tension. funny enough, so would her personality and demeanor, for that matter.

Almost every guy I know prefers women with a natural look. All the time and money we ladies spend on our hair and makeup, and men seem most attracted to us when we are chilling out, hair down and make up-free, in shorts snd a t-shirt. Go figure. Lol

[TzuShih]

19 hours ago, thatsall said:

I couldn't get behind Gil's lecturing of Myrla tonight. He doesn't have to like that she's particular, maybe even "bratty", in his estimation. He doesn't have to like that Myrla is clearly an optimizer and freely states ways in which she sees situations could be improved for everyone, or how they could be more to her liking (if Gil was really listening, perhaps he could learn something about how to please his partner!?). I can see how the continual critiques would be a buzz kill for a partner, nothing wrong with him communicating that if it's true.

But not in the way he does, which sounds like a parent lecturing a child. Regardless of Gil's need to let her know how she's coming off to him, he does not need to take that tone with his partner. It doesn't show him as a loving partner and will cause resentment. In the producer interview, I was surprised that Myrla didn't take that opportunity to say she didn't appreciate his tone...made me wonder if, despite her independent personality, she might have some ideas about deference. I did appreciate her "I receive it." neutral reply...it was the most gracious way to respond at the moment without causing a scene. I do wish she'd call him out on his lecturing her about behavior he does not appreciate and ask that he converse instead as though he was speaking to his superior at work...that might give the conversation the proper tone.

I agree.

Myrla had previously shared her love of horseback riding with Gil, and, yes, it was an A-plus that he took on the sport as a fun challenge!  But, then, I had to say "WHOA!" when he critiqued her for wishing it was a longer, more frisky trail ride!  Gil -- That is NOT being "bratty!!!"  If you truly love the sport (as Myrla appears to), then a better compromise would have been for Gil, after a satisfying ride, to head on back to the corral, while Myrla and the trainer took off and enjoyed a more adventurous outing.

Of course we are NEVER in on the real 'editing,' but from the way their outing was filmed, it seemed like Myrla was a real good sport.  🤠

[pdlinda]

1 hour ago, Jax7917 said:

I think she needs a hair intervention . She looks like a legitimate clown with that hair .. and I think it makes her look heavier than she is 

Agreed! 

Her disorganized mind seems symbolically reflected in her hair style she chose to wear at the ranch. 

However, there have been other times when she has chosen other hairstyles that have been much more flattering to her face and her enviable figure.

[Lindz]

What's so great about Zack's bed??? I think it's BS & he just goes to his apartment to top her. He counters her sleeping apart request he dislikes with sleeping at his apartment which she dislikes. He wants a lose-lose where no one gets what they want. So juvenile. They're working separately, so it'll never work! 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Lindz

[qtpye]

4 hours ago, Retired at last said:

She was sweating under them. Temper tantrums work up a lot of energy! But, I will say that in the past, I thought Michaela was much heavier than she appeared last night, mostly because of what she wears. Last night she looked pretty trim. Crazy, but trim.

 

4 hours ago, ByTor said:

Yeah, I recall her looking great in her wedding dress.

Michaela is actually fairly petite in her build, she seems a little bigger due to her square shoulders.

I am glad she is not large because that nice place would have been torn up.

Edited October 22, 2021 by qtpye

[Kira53]

 

3 hours ago, ByTor said:

I didn't see the episode yet, I tried but fell asleep. Was he drinking? Could that have been the issue with him driving?

Driving While Black.  How soon people forget.....He’s upset and just might start speeding.  If he gets pulled over things could escalate just the way things escalate with Michaela. Those Texas highway patrolman can be a danger to a black man pulled over on the side of the road when nobody is watching.

[Kira53]

24 minutes ago, Lindz said:

What's so great about Zack's bed??? I think it's BS & he just goes to his apartment to top her. He counters her sleeping apart offer he dislikes with sleeping at his apartment which she dislikes. He wants a lose-lose where no one gets what they want. So juvenile. They're working separately, so it'll never work! 

 It will never work because Michaela is crazy and Zach is traumatized from past relationships with women like Michaela.  He’s been in relationships with crazy destructive evil “ladies”. What’s better about Zack’s bed? It’s nowhere near Michaela who might wake up in the other room and try to actually hurt him. You really don’t know how unstable she is. Only her sisters know.   He probably also has one of those $3000-$4000 beds. Hotel beds are only so good. I’d like to be at my home with my dog and my lock on my door if I was dating a Michaela. And I did have a very short experience with someone who turned out to be extremely unstable and it was frightening.That kind of temper can just explode I hate to have her have a bad dream and think that it was real.  He doesn’t even know which Michaela he would wake up to. She’s so impulsive she could do something in reaction that could be quite damaging. Once you’ve been around someone who is truly crazy I mean truly crazy you know that you could be in danger if they have some crazy thought and feel like they have to punish you right now. He doesn’t even know which Michaela he would wake up to.

[Crashcourse]

17 minutes ago, Kira53 said:

 

Driving While Black.  How soon people forget.....He’s upset and just might start speeding.  If he gets pulled over things could escalate just the way things escalate with Michaela. Those Texas highway patrolman can be a danger to a black man pulled over on the side of the road when nobody is watching.

And I think that's why Michaela didn't want him driving at night.  She might be crazy, but I do believe she was concerned about his safety.