S11.E16: Threats and Promises

[Dutchgirl]

42 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

People don't have to believe her, but I really want to know how anyone expects her to react when her character is attacked being that her position is that she didn't know and isn't a liar.  Beliefs aren't indisputable facts.  People go off on Housewives for much less than it being insinuated that they are a liar and complicit scammer.

To threaten a lawsuit while your husband is being disbarred and accused of stealing $101 MILLION dollars is a little too delusional, even for Erika. She's not in a position to threaten anyone. Being humble and sympathetic, even a little, wouldn't kill her. She's her own worst enemy. Being a stone cold bitch who is only concerned with her own survival is precisely how she got in this mess.  

[RealHousewife]

Just now, chlban said:

Proud to say I never liked the bitch and pretty much hated her since her completely unprovoked attack on Eileen way back when.

That was one of the first times I really disliked her behavior. I liked her most season 1, and then less and less each season. I thought maybe she had some hormonal issues/temper for awhile, but she's just not nice. 

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

I was completed disgusted watching the whole thing, and I was also perplexed as to why Kathy, as the hostess, did not step in at any point.  I guess it would have taken Erika breaking one of those $950.00 Baccarat candle holders to get a reaction from Kathy.

Kathy should have asked Erika to leave, since she is the one making everyone uncomfortable, and threatening Sutton. It isn't like she needs the money from the show so is doing the producers' bidding? Heck, even poor Patrick looked intimidated. A host/hostess should control a bad situation, and Kathy failed miserably. Now of course pretty much every dinner ends with a fight of some sort, but that scene was uncomfortable even for me as a viewer.

Sutton has become my fav howife of all time. She stood her ground, and then even showed up at Garcelle's party knowing Satan would be there. And Sutton actually is rich, which is supposed to be the premise of these shows. Erika had better watch her step, or their will be no housewarming gift from Sutton when she goes to prison. 

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by UsernameFatigue

[WhatAmIWatching]

OMG that dinner was infuriating! Whyyyyy can't any of these women think fast enough of their feet to call that snarling she-wolf out?
I would've been all over that mess like chocolate sauce on a sundae. She was POSING every time she sat still, literally posing like she was at a glam shoot!

Why do they say the good stuff in the TH's and not while the stuff is happening? Oy!

This is one time I wish I were a part of this show and was there to tell them all what I really think of their bs. Then I'd eat that wonderful looking dinner, throw down my napkin and leave. Buhbye baybees.

[lawrbk]

3 hours ago, Cupcake04 said:

Crystal and her “I agree”.  STFU kiss ass.

That really did it for me. Crystal is underwater with me on her approval rating. I’ve gone back and forth on her but was disgusted she congratulated Erika on her response to Sutton. 
 

edit: PK is right in how he’s calling it. I love seeing Sutton at the auction site because that’s what we want to see. Rich people buying stuff. Lol I loved it last season when the store in Italy (Dolce & Gabbana?) knew her and had regular items sent to her. And her little tiaras. The others were so jealous. Sutton and garcelle are holding this together for me. The coven better not chase them off. They’re my new brotp (sistp?). Long live sutelle. 

Edited September 9, 2021 by lawrbk
To add more after initial crystal comment

[pasdetrois]

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I think that a lot of the housewives are just ignorant of anything that isn't exactly in their little bubble.  

You're very polite. I settled on "stupid" a long time ago.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen is the juiciest story of the year, about their castmate, appears in their hometown newspaper, and it's too long and hard for any of them to read (except Sutton).

Edited September 9, 2021 by pasdetrois

[Dutchgirl]

5 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

OMG that dinner was infuriating! Whyyyyy can't any of these women think fast enough of their feet to call that snarling she-wolf out?
I would've been all over that mess like chocolate sauce on a sundae. She was POSING every time she sat still, literally posing like she was at a glam shoot!

Why do they say the good stuff in the TH's and not while the stuff is happening? Oy!

This is one time I wish I were a part of this show and was there to tell them all what I really think of their bs. Then I'd eat that wonderful looking dinner, throw down my napkin and leave. Buhbye baybees.

lmao Honestly, what is their problem??? All of them just sitting there. And Crystal. F her. I thought maybe she was okay, then she just backed the bus up *beep  beep  beep* and ran over Sutton again. Absolutely savage.

[WhatAmIWatching]

1 hour ago, Talented Tenth said:

She didn't steal the money and if she didn't know why she be punished for Tom's actions?  People are constantly attacking her with no proof.  Is she supposed to just take it? For every action there is a reaction.  Just because there is an Erika hate train, she's supposed to modify her behavior and who she is for people who aren't being fair to her in the first place? I'd give my ass to kiss to everyone too who was accusing me of something with no proof.  It's scary to me how easily people condemn, convict and assassinate someone's character without indisputable proof.

At that time, she knew for a fact that Tom had embezzled a ton of money from victims and that's what they'd been living on, so yes indeedy she should've modified her behavior and not been so combative and so what? regarding the victims.
  She could've toned down the expensive jewelry and exorbitant fashion and stopped crying over her (expensive) 'bungalow' and having to (gasp) drive a Range Rover. SHE isn't the victim here in any way, and that's what she's trying to portray, and it's sick.

Actual humans are suffering over what Tom did, and whether she knew the whole time or not, *at that time* she *definitely* knew and didn't give a hot damn about anyone or anything except trying to keep what she could.

[Dutchgirl]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I've sided with PK ever since that reunion Erika wouldn't accept his apology and was very nasty. At least he can behave like an adult and can have a conversation. Erika is vicious. 

Also, I'm suspicious of both him and Dorit, but PK is said to be a nice guy by people who've met him IRL, unlike Erika. 

Meh, I like PK. He didn't marry very well though

[hoodooznoodooz]

I loved:

“We didn’t ask to be in this situation, Erika. We just are. So if that’s the situation, we should all be scared.”

 

“She should be quiet.”

“You know what, that’s a little bit of a threat, and that’s really uncomfortable for all of us.”

[JAYJAY1979]

Where is Camille when we need her? She always thinks on her feet and could have handled Ericka and called out Rinna.

Heck, she would have known to throw water on the witch Erika..causing her to melt

Edited September 9, 2021 by JAYJAY1979

[Mar]

PK, Erika should have taken your advice about her social media posts. And Dorit, nice try saying that she is a lingerie model and trying to earn a living. Exactly what lingerie is being promoted in her her Instagram post from today?

[hoodooznoodooz]

I wish we could see Erika’s and Tom’s lawyers reacting to Erika gloating that “he ain’t dead and gone, honey.”

[Dutchgirl]

40 minutes ago, lawrbk said:

I love seeing Sutton at the auction site because that’s what we want to see. Rich people buying stuff. Lol I loved it last season when the store in Italy (Dolce & Gabbana?) knew her and had regular items sent to her. And her little tiaras. The others were so jealous. Sutton and garcelle are holding this together for me. The coven better not chase them off. They’re my new brotp (sistp?). Long live sutelle. 

I get anxiety when I see Sutton shopping...like when I find out my grandma went to Best Buy alone. Christ, what did they talk her into. Hope she kept the receipt for that orange beaded number. 

[Mar]

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Erika with her glam squad: “This is fun. We have to amuse ourselves.” She is 100% TONE DEAF. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I’m about to really lose my s- - - on all of you- -

Don’t do it. Nope.

Hahahahaha!

[WhatAmIWatching]

41 minutes ago, Dutchgirl said:

lmao Honestly, what is their problem??? All of them just sitting there. And Crystal. F her. I thought maybe she was okay, then she just backed the bus up *beep  beep  beep* and ran over Sutton again. Absolutely savage.

They are cowards! If we're thinking it and saying it here, you know they all were thinking it too. Bawk bawk they're all too chicken to speak up. Crystal really disappointed me, as she was agreeing with Sutton previously. Wth happened there?

Kadooz to Sutton for having the courage to ask the important questions and point out the inconsistencies. I haven't really liked her before now, but I'm impressed that she (mildly and politely) won't let it all be swept under the rug and ignored. 

[renatae]

Shut up, Erika, you bully! Shut up, Kyle, trying to tell Sutton she should have done better at being your attack dog.

I'm about 1/4 way in and the only ones I don't want to shut up are PK with his rare insight, and Garcelle.

Lisa, you "don't remember" Erika turning into an even more vicious iteration of herself and threatening Sutton? Please. You were still crawling up Erika's colon.

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by renatae

[Cheyanne11]

Funniest line of the night goes to Rinna stating "I'm on the truth's side."  Girl...

Followed by her sure-to-be-Emmy-nominated performance of "I was black out drunk--I don't remember anything."  Uh-huh.

PK speaking truths: even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Crystal picking the wrong people to team up with.  Good luck with that.

I have no words for Erika.  She's a vile, vile human being. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

This lunatic is about to implode. I will hand her a tiny, fluffy dog.

[Dutchgirl]

21 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I wish we could see Erika’s and Tom’s lawyers reacting to Erika gloating that “he ain’t dead and gone, honey.”

The equivalent to "My dad can beat up your dad"...except we all know her dad is 82, falls a lot and is built like a pile of shit.

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by Dutchgirl

[princelina]

2 hours ago, Dutchgirl said:

Some tacky grifter who stole from ORPHANS to buy hair extensions and hideous latex jumpsuits threatens to sue you and you leave crying??  No girl, no. Nev-ver yield the floor to an asshole.

I agree - on the other hand, if you leave a table and say you are leaving - leave.  Props to Sutton for getting out rather than returning to "the library".

2 hours ago, BluishGreen said:

And Rinna, of course, had to be all "remember when you wore those yellow pants, Kyle?  At the thing... you know, the thing when we ALL gossiped about Erika,  even "I'm up here and you're down here" Crystal, but then we all pinned it on Sutton?"   Friggin' cowards.

Unpopular opinion coming because I know she's a fan favorite right now, but Garcelle was up to her neck in that shit-stirring scenario.  Started it and kept it going.

1 hour ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Why do they say the good stuff in the TH's and not while the stuff is happening? Oy!

Because most of us don't think of the perfect comeback until later!  Am I the only one?  At least they get THs to say them in - I have to rehearse them as I lay in bed at night, or once in a while when Mr P is listening he gets an earful 😄

[izabella]

7 minutes ago, Dutchgirl said:

The equivalent to "My dad can beat up your dad"...except we all know her dad is 82, falls a lot and is built like a pile of shit.

 

I imagine that low, threatening voice and the grimaces she uses when she goes batshit on someone is something she learned during her stripping or waitressing days when a customer went too far.  It finally clicked for me that's what it seemed like.

"Put your hand on my ass again, and I'll break it.  That's a promise."  And would then threaten him with the bouncer, i.e. Tom's lawsuit.

[Mar]

4 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

bubba > love bean 

I am in bed reading all the comments on my iPad, and this has me laughing so hard that my bed is actually shaking

[hoodooznoodooz]

Sutton’s yellow Birkin. Swoon.

[MrsWitter]

I don’t really have much to add to the Erika discussion-you all have covered it so well (and with great wit, per usual)!

But can we please revisit Dorit “Child of the World” Kemsley’s proclamation of how much she loves using heavy spices in her cooking, unlike MOST Americans…. Didn’t we just find out a couple of episodes ago that she doesn’t even like garlic? Bitch please.

Also, Kyle: if you so strongly feel the urge to fix or “bandage” any conflict between your co-workers to soothe your discomfort, you should probably work that out in therapy. It’s a trauma response. Not everyone has to kiss and make up after a big fight (that you largely provoked) to make you feel at ease.

[Dutchgirl]

19 minutes ago, princelina said:

Because most of us don't think of the perfect comeback until later!  Am I the only one?  At least they get THs to say them in - I have to rehearse them as I lay in bed at night, or once in a while when Mr P is listening he gets an earful 😄

My napoleon complex won't allow me to back down when confronted. Erika would have been dragged out threatening my life and kicking things over. Sutton should sit by me.

[Almost 3000]

29 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

This lunatic is about to implode. I will hand her a tiny, fluffy dog.

Ericka was about to show us a nip slip. Renna did her a solid by handing over the dog to hold in front of the failing bust line. Fast thinking for being black out drunk...

[LemonSoda]

2 hours ago, Talented Tenth said:

Erika was a sugar baby. 

 

I’m sorry but no. Erika herself rejects the sugar baby title. Please read her book. They were partners. This isn’t an old man throwing money at a woman. They were equal partners in their relationship. 
I understand your point and yes no one knows but herself 100% if she knew or not. 

But she wasn’t a sugar baby. 

Crystal really showed her awfulness. 
Sutton’s yellow Birkin is adorable! 

[hoodooznoodooz]

“I’ve never seen a worse response to what’s going on.”

[EmZeeGee]

3 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Yeah, Erika is scrolling The New York Times to see what trouble she’s in now. Rude thing to do, be on your phone at a cultural dinner . 

 

3 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

NY Times? Why would she be reading that as I doubt her Instagram photos are published there...

Given the state of affairs, I doubt she can afford the paywall. Lol.

[truthaboutluv]

3 hours ago, charming said:

It's disappointing that Crystal is auditioning for the role of Teddi 2.0

Well they are years-long friends apparently. Like attracts like. 

 

3 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I was completed disgusted watching the whole thing, and I was also perplexed as to why Kathy, as the hostess, did not step in at any point.  I guess it would have taken Erika breaking one of those $950.00 Baccarat candle holders to get a reaction from Kathy.

She took too long but she did eventually. And I found that moment very fascinating the way she didn't exactly yell but forcefully told Erika to stop and bring it down and Ms. "I'm so badass" immediately did. Because she'll come for Sutton but not dare risk pissing off Kathy and her immense wealth. 

 

3 hours ago, Talented Tenth said:

My issue that she is getting called complicit, a criminal and a scammer with no proof. 

Except the only places Erika is being called that is online by viewers of the show. Sutton did not call Erika a scammer. She has questioned things that she feels do not add up and seem suspicious to her, as she is more than entitled to. 

Again, Sutton was not the one who brought up Tom's supposed head injury from this supposed accident. Erika did that. And this came after initial tales of big, bad, scary horrible husband Tom that she left with nothing. Because again he's so scary and intimidating and was kind of a shit husband. 

Then a scandal breaks saying he's been embezzling money from victims he represented and suddenly there was some accident and he'd been showing signs of diminished behavior the last three years and forgetting things, etc.

So which is it - was he the formidable scary lawyer who was an intimidating, cheating husband she was almost afraid to leave or a fragile man deteriorating right before her eyes? And it is rather convenient that this diminished capacity is the exact line of defense his legal team is going for. Any reasonable person SHOULD have their red flags of suspicion go up on that like Sutton did. 

And then came the LA Times article that was the biggest catalyst for Sutton's concern. A reputable news source was reporting that $20 million that was unaccounted for, went into Erika's private company. Did she not wonder where it came from, how it got there, was she not suspicious, etc.? Those were the questions Sutton asked that again are well within her right to ask and wonder about. None of that is screaming at Erika that she's a thieving evil criminal. But it is saying, "hey, some things aren't adding up to me and that makes me suspicious."

 

3 hours ago, Talented Tenth said:

People don't have to believe her, but I really want to know how anyone expects her to react when her character is attacked being that her position is that she didn't know and isn't a liar.  Beliefs aren't indisputable facts.  People go off on Housewives for much less than it being insinuated that they are a liar and complicit scammer.

Except she is being viewed as a liar because there are inconsistencies in her story, which is what Sutton has pointed out.  And that is what has infuriated Erika because the fact is under all the theatrics and verbal threats (because that shit was a threat), is the fact that she HAS been inconsistent and cannot explain those inconsistencies. 

One moment Tom was the domineering scary husband and then as soon as the lawsuit came out out he's been this doddering, confused man. And this accident story was told years ago with a completely different version and it kept getting more and more convoluted every time she told it. 

And then there was her batshit meltdown over Garcelle mentioning her saying Tom calls her because her dumbass realized too late after she'd said it that this was another inconsistency she'd be caught in as she'd repeatedly said right after the separation happened, that she just left and there'd been no contact between them since. These are all the inconsistencies of Erika's story that I believe has raised Sutton's red flags.

And that raging psycho stunt she pulled tonight against Sutton didn't do her any favors because she completely gave me woman who would steal $5 out of a child's hands and cackle about it tees. I was genuinely terrified for that poor dog. 

Edited September 9, 2021 by truthaboutluv

[Mar]

https://ew.com/tv/recaps/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-season-11-episode-16/
 

great recap of tonight’s episode!

[Dutchgirl]

22 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

Well they are years-long friends apparently. Like attracts like. 

She took too long but she did eventually and I found that moment very fascinating the way she didn't exactly yell but forcefully told Erika to stop and bring it down and Ms. "I'm so badass" immediately did. Because she'll come for Sutton but not dare risk pissing off Kathy and her immense wealth, off. 

Except the only places Erika is being called that is online by viewers of the show. Sutton did not call Erika a scammer. She has questioned things that she feel does not add up and seem suspicious to her as she is more than entitled to. 

Again, Sutton was not the one who brought up Tom's supposed head injury from this supposed accident. Erika did that. And this came after initial tales of big, bad, scary horrible husband Tom that she left with nothing. Because again he's so scary and intimidating and was kind of a shit husband. 

Then a scandal breaks saying he's been embezzling money from victims he represented and suddenly there was some accident and he'd been showing signs of diminished behavior the last three years and forgetting things, etc.

So which is it - was he the formidable scary lawyer who was an intimidating, cheating husband she was almost afraid to leave or a fragile man deteriorating right before her eyes? And it is rather convenient that this diminished capacity is the exact line of defense his legal team is going for. Any reasonable person SHOULD have their red flags of suspicion go up on that like Sutton did. 

And then came the LA Times article that was the biggest catalyst for Sutton's concern, where a reputable news source is indicating that 20 million, unaccounted for went into Erika's private company. Did she not wonder where it came from, how it got there, was she not suspicious, etc? Those were the questions Sutton asked that again are well within her right to ask and wonder about. None of that is screaming at Erika that she's thieving evil criminal. But it is saying, "hey, some things aren't adding up to me and that makes me suspicious."

Except she is being viewed as a liar because there are inconsistencies in her story, which is what Sutton has pointed out.  And that is what has infuriated Erika because the fact is under all the theatrics and verbal threats (because that shit was a threat), is the fact that she HAS been inconsistent. 

One moment Tom was the domineering scary husband and then as soon as the lawsuit came out out he's been this doddering, confused man. And this accident story was told years ago with a completely different twist and it kept getting more and more convoluted every time she told it. 

And then there was her batshit meltdown about Garcelle mentioning her saying Tom calls her because her dumbass realized too late after she'd said it that this was another lie she'd be caught in as she'd repeatedly said right after just the separation happened, that she just left and they'd been no contact.  These are all the inconsistencies of Erika's story that I believe has raised Sutton's red flags.

And that raging psycho stunt she pulled tonight against Sutton didn't do her any favors because she completely gave me woman who would steal $5 out of a child's hands and cackle about it tees. I was genuinely terrified for that poor dog. 

Well said. Solid recap.

[LemonSoda]

Ugh that flashback of Kyle/Garcelle over the 5k. Kyle’s claim the hospital handles that not her. Hmm then why mention it on national tv with such glee in your eyes? 

[lawrbk]

5 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I've sided with PK ever since that reunion Erika wouldn't accept his apology and was very nasty. At least he can behave like an adult and can have a conversation. Erika is vicious. 

Also, I'm suspicious of both him and Dorit, but PK is said to be a nice guy by people who've met him IRL, unlike Erika. 

I’m ducking because I’ve never disliked him as much as some. He’s certainly had Erika pegged. 

[MrsWitter]

3 hours ago, blixie said:

Fuck Erika. Fuck Kyle. Fuck Crystal.

I think that's it. 

Oh and yeah having PK speak the plain truth as it takes one to know one was pretty fun, but of course he spends almost as much time slut shaming her as point out the facts that nothing is stopping her from A) centering the REAL victims and B) giving the fucking money and "gifts" back. 

These women have so backed the wrong horse and earlier in the season Kyle swore this was before we knew anything, but clearly you did start to know things and still backed the self pitying rage monster bully.

And… Fuck Rinna.

[lawrbk]

5 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Rinna is Trash. Pure TRASH 

Conch fritters are fucking amazing 

She was right for once though when she said garcelle looked gorgeous and amazing because, holy crap, she sure did. Some of her outfits don’t flatter her but she was working the hell out of that flowy black and her hair was beyond. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

7 hours ago, Dutchgirl said:

The equivalent to "My dad can beat up your dad"...except we all know her dad is 82, falls a lot and is built like a pile of shit.

 

 

[    I wish we could see Erika’s and Tom’s lawyers reacting to Erika gloating that “he ain’t dead and gone, honey.”   ]

 

Ha! 
But also, didn’t she just derail their defense? 

Edited September 9, 2021 by hoodooznoodooz

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, Almost 3000 said:

Ericka was about to show us a nip slip. Renna did her a solid by handing over the dog to hold in front of the failing bust line. Fast thinking for being black out drunk...

Oh, no. What if total strangers saw Erika’s nipple?!?

[hoodooznoodooz]

@film noire and @Happy Camper, we miss you and are looking forward to your posts!

[Dutchgirl]

Ya. The glam team quit. Her makeup is horrendous...and where are her pants?? 

Guess Tom auctioned off the mirrors. 

[gatopretoNYC]

Kyle's never heard of conch? I know that bitch has been to the Caribbean.

[renatae]

Rinna - I'm crying a boatload of tears because your "you hurt me, too" to Garcelle was "You didn't bow and scrape when I gave you the sauce."  Definitely you are *on* the sauce if you think this in any way compares to the way your antics have affected Garcelle and others.

I'm so sick of dishonest, manipulative Vyle telling everyone else to "be honest" and I'm deathly ill from her brand of the "truth." Not fooling us with your self-serving and fake quest for the truth, two-face.

[gingerella]

So, how could Erika threaten - sorry PROMISE - that Tom would sue Sutton for talking shit about Erika if Tom has, yanno, dementia and doesn't know what's going on, on account of his car accident where he rolled his car and then was thrown from the car while also crawling out of the car while also calling Erika for help but also laying in a coma for 12 hours? I'm just sorta curious about that...

Edited September 9, 2021 by gingerella

[ivygirl]

One would think that, as a soap opera veteran, Rinna would know how to act out amnesia in a more convincing manner.

 

Also: Yes, Crystal. It’s clear you don’t like “fakeness” and “phoniness” that some attempt to call social graces. Much better to be a dismissive, snobbish, cold jerk who acts like she’s above anyone she “doesn’t know” and/or is beneath her station. 🙄 It’s always the Crystal types who define their harsh snobbishness and rude commentary as “hating fakeness”.

 

Finally: I want to take Occam’s Razor to any and all of Erika’s stories.

[CrinkleCutCat]

2 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

And… Fuck Rinna.

And…. fuck Kyle too. Calling Sutton ‘two faced’ is making me mad.

[film noire]

 

5 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

Erika could have a bright future in the adult porn film industry.  She has all the makings to be the big star she wants to be in that field. 

 

[film noire]

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

@film noire and @Happy Camper, we miss you and are looking forward to your posts!

Hey, hoodooz! Not much time to post lately, but I've been reading the forum - this place is on fire! - so satisfying watching The Petty Mess get her deserved comeuppance from Karma - every week, as the opening taglines roll, I think "Please let it be about Tom"  ; )

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by film noire

[weaver]

7 hours ago, mothmonsterman said:

I hate to be this blunt, but Kathy don't love dem hoes. They could probably fall off the face of the earth and she wouldn't care. She made Kyle beg on her knees for years just to get near her again. AND the butler didn't know who the heck Kyle was-that should tell you something about their closeness. 

Kathy has her own issues.   Her son was sentenced to two months in prison in early Dec, 2020.  I'm not sure if she cares or not because she is such a cold fish, but I do find it interesting. 

 https://people.com/crime/conrad-hilton-in-prison-family-not-surprised/