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On 7/11/2021 at 4:09 PM, dccfan204 said:

Just to play devil's advocate, this could be said about Brennan, Hannah, and Lily too. During Brennan and Hannah's rookie year, Keyra and Selina were cut. During Lily's rookie year, Gabby was cut. They always cut weak veterans in order to make room for the new rookies. In order to end this cycle, they should just stop taking the weaker rookies (like Alora-Rose this year).

I know that they do cut weak vets and while I agreed with the decision to cut Lily (even though she was sweet, I was never wowed by her dancing), I didn't think of Brennan or Hannah as weak although Hannah's cut felt like it was due more to other factors (I seem to recall a voice over comment about her appearance or weight) then her dancing being weak. Of the three you mentioned, I think Brennan was least deserving of being cut and I don't just say that because I'm a fan of hers. I do agree that they should stop taking weaker rookies onto the team which I think they do in the hopes that they will become stronger. I can think of a few examples where they took weak rookies who despite being nice, should never have made the team and they only lasted a year (Morgan Whitney, Breelan Statham and Ashley P come to mind).

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22 hours ago, Lona said:

Imagine walking into the DCC Training Grounds and instead of the team motto "Lucid Dream" is plastered over the entrance. 🥴😂

Maybe something to fill the void with so little else occuring. The times that I saw the episode where Vivian reads her poem (IIRC, Season 9, episode 7?),  It's sounds to me like Vivian says the title of her poem is "elusive dream". I see here on the board that it is always referred to as "lucid dream". It's easy to understand how it can be confused as both words sound identical if said quickly or garbled. Looking at the definition of both words, it appears as though the term "elusive" represents her poem and history more so than "lucid".  I don't own any playback media of the seasons so I can't just go find it and listen to it over and over to try and discern which word she says. So,...which is it??? I tend toward "elusive".

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26 minutes ago, Holly85 said:

With all these 3 and 4 day breaks how are they ever going to pick a team when they aren’t hardly ever togther to do so lol 

I mean last year they only did 2 weeks for new girls and 1 week for vets. Evaluation done. New team - boom. Maybe this year they're realizing they don't really need this many weeks! I guess back in the good old days they were actually teaching girls how to dance and so it took longer. Seems like this year, everyone is coming in ready.

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20 minutes ago, Trulyadorkable said:

Maybe something to fill the void with so little else occuring. The times that I saw the episode where Vivian reads her poem (IIRC, Season 9, episode 7?),  It's sounds to me like Vivian says the title of her poem is "elusive dream". I see here on the board that it is always referred to as "lucid dream". It's easy to understand how it can be confused as both words sound identical if said quickly or garbled. Looking at the definition of both words, it appears as though the term "elusive" represents her poem and history more so than "lucid".  I don't own any playback media of the seasons so I can't just go find it and listen to it over and over to try and discern which word she says. So,...which is it??? I tend toward "elusive".

A Lucid dream because she goes on and explains why she used that term

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1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

I mean last year they only did 2 weeks for new girls and 1 week for vets. Evaluation done. New team - boom. Maybe this year they're realizing they don't really need this many weeks! I guess back in the good old days they were actually teaching girls how to dance and so it took longer. Seems like this year, everyone is coming in ready.

Oh plus this years new girls got 9 routines on video to learn before they came !! 

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5 minutes ago, Holly85 said:

Oh plus this years new girls got 9 routines on video to learn before they came !! 

Yeah right, they are literally just killing time at camp now...  Of the girls they have left, any of those would make a great 36.  K/J probably already know who the team is though- just dragging this out for the show.   I assume they still have makeovers  (whomever goes red is safe!) and show group auditions to do. Then some fake Melissa mentor stuff. And maybe a dance for your life ending.

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On 7/10/2021 at 12:46 PM, Tuxcat said:

Until then MTT - keep it boring. Show us as much dance (real time and not zoomed) as possible. Just dance. We on this forum will take it from there.

@Tuxcat That's kind of we're I'm at.

How long has this PT vs. TPTB secret battle been raging? The past three years? Four years? CMT lately has been trying to stir up "drama," when in some of the past seasons I felt the forum provided it themselves. Seriously. We're a forum dedicated to the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders 24/7. OF COURSE we ourselves can do the drama part. CMT should stick to the dancing lol. The show can be "boring." We don't care! Just don't hurt the cheerleaders themselves (like last season) and I won't complain too much. I promise!

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2 hours ago, Trulyadorkable said:

Maybe something to fill the void with so little else occuring. The times that I saw the episode where Vivian reads her poem (IIRC, Season 9, episode 7?),  It's sounds to me like Vivian says the title of her poem is "elusive dream". I see here on the board that it is always referred to as "lucid dream". It's easy to understand how it can be confused as both words sound identical if said quickly or garbled. Looking at the definition of both words, it appears as though the term "elusive" represents her poem and history more so than "lucid".  I don't own any playback media of the seasons so I can't just go find it and listen to it over and over to try and discern which word she says. So,...which is it??? I tend toward "elusive".

From Making the Team Fandom:

 

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2 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

With Hannah I thought there *was something going on with her size. She was never overweight of course but wasn’t she the one who could barely keep her backside contained in the shorts?

 

Well this is the first I've heard of this...but then again I never watch Season 13 *gasp* I can't bring myself to watch it. Don't ask me why. *cough cough Dayton cough cough* 

Anyways regarding Hannah I've always had this feeling in the back of my head that it was because of her mental health that she got cut. But of course if Kelli said "We're cutting you cause you're depressed" that would spark some massive backlash. But that's just my thoughts on the matter. We will never know the "real" reason why Hannah got cut, so...

 

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1 hour ago, TheGenuineBeauty said:

*cough cough Dayton cough cough* 

With all due respect, Dayton was not prepared (both times she auditioned), she was late and she had memory issues. Kelli expected her to be better prepared and she wasn’t and that is why she was so hard on her. VK’s passes for her behavior and weight gain were another issue. Still neither made the team that year. VK just made it further than she should have.

I definitely remember discussion in here about Hannah’s appearance in addition to the mental health piece. I tend to think her attitude wasn’t in the right place and that’s what got her cut. I honestly can’t remember if Hannah or Brennan’s cut came first but I’m willing to bet a part of how they were handling Hannah is what Brennan meant when she said she didn’t like the direction the team was going 😬

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57 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

 

57 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

 

I honestly can’t remember if Hannah or Brennan’s cut came first but I’m willing to bet a part of how they were handling Hannah is what Brennan meant when she said she didn’t like the direction the team was going 😬

Hannah was the last to be cut, she was out in the hall with Brennan & Lily as they were all meant to be in their rooms, they were all stood at their doors as Kelli and Judy asked if she was in the hall and she said yeah because she was supporting her team mates.

I did love Hannah for that, she knew what was coming and handled it in her own bad ass way and face on. 

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4 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

I definitely remember discussion in here about Hannah’s appearance in addition to the mental health piece.

The only part of Hannah's appearance I remember them critiquing was her being 'pale.' Which is an easy fix. 

43 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I do recall Kelli mentioning weight gain

She mentioned weight gain on Hannah in season 15?

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5 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

With all due respect, Dayton was not prepared (both times she auditioned), she was late and she had memory issues. Kelli expected her to be better prepared and she wasn’t and that is why she was so hard on her. VK’s passes for her behavior and weight gain were another issue. Still neither made the team that year. VK just made it further than she should have.

I think at least part of Dayton's memory issues, if not most of them, were because of Kelli's focusing on her and being harder on her for dance issues than all of the other girls.   We know that Training Camp is tough work and that girls usually relax into the dances once they get on the squad so no need to be harder on one girl then all the others.  If Kelli had treated her like all the other girls instead of being tougher on her, then Dayton would have been fine and possibly even made the squad.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Kelli didn't want Dayton there in the first place and was trying to either make her quit or find enough of a reason to cut her so she could focus on the other girls (and find a way to shoehorn Victoria on despite her issues).

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2 hours ago, vanillagum said:

The only part of Hannah's appearance I remember them critiquing was her being 'pale.' Which is an easy fix. 

She mentioned weight gain on Hannah in season 15?

I don't recall any mention of weight gain at all. Hannah always was very thin but with a  backside to die for. I do remember wondering why her shorts were designed the way they were. Either way it wasn't an issue for the two years she was on show group so I don't why it would be an issue in 2020.

 

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3 hours ago, vanillagum said:

The only part of Hannah's appearance I remember them critiquing was her being 'pale.' Which is an easy fix. 

She mentioned weight gain on Hannah in season 15?

It made me so mad when they mentioned her being pale, because let's say she got a spray tan the night before Day 1 of training camp. Her spray tan is going to wash off within a couple days, and the fact that they're dancing and sweating so much means it'll wash off quicker than normal. Since they were in the bubble, they couldn't leave to get regular spray tans every few days, and I highly doubt TPTB brought in a mobile spray-tanner just to touch up the girls in the bubble.

Unlike some of the other girls, Hannah didn't have a base tan because she's a natural red head and of course has fair skin. Now, how did everyone keep up their tans? I'm sure people brought in self-tanning options for touchups, and why Hannah didn't--I'm not sure, there could be many reasons. But seriously, this excuse was perhaps the easiest appearance fix they could ever be dealing with.

Excuse my passion around spray tanning--avid spray tanner over here so I have many thoughts. 😂

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2 hours ago, EricaShadows said:

I think at least part of Dayton's memory issues, if not most of them, were because of Kelli's focusing on her and being harder on her for dance issues than all of the other girls.   We know that Training Camp is tough work and that girls usually relax into the dances once they get on the squad so no need to be harder on one girl then all the others.  If Kelli had treated her like all the other girls instead of being tougher on her, then Dayton would have been fine and possibly even made the squad.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Kelli didn't want Dayton there in the first place and was trying to either make her quit or find enough of a reason to cut her so she could focus on the other girls (and find a way to shoehorn Victoria on despite her issues).

I can see that, but I think if she had been better prepared, she probably would have fared a lot better than she did. Both Kelli and Judy knew she wasn't, and on top of that I think being late to makeovers was the nail in her coffin. Without that incident I think she had a chance. Being late, especially as a rookie candidate, is pretty much the end. I also agree that Kelli probably didn't want her there in the first place though. Dayton had a flat affect and wasn't enthusiastic. I think Judy saw her as a dance risk and Kelli saw her as an ambassador risk. 

Don't get me wrong. I felt awful for her when she got cut because she cried so hard. I think it was a combination of stress, disappointment and she was probably also embarrassed. So I understand why she said she wouldn't audition again unless there wasn't a show. 

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

I completely agree. No way would Dayton have gotten the gig on the cruise ship if her memory was THAT bad, I think it was 15% memory, 85% nerves.

But she didn't finish the contract, and we don't know if it was personal or disciplinary, and I believe she later auditioned for Disney Cruise Line and didn't get it. I feel badly for her because she's young and it can be hard to find your footing if you don't know exactly what you want to do at 19-20-21-22. She always said she didn't want to audition but then changed her mind and auditioned twice. I also think there were many more candidates with more heartbreaking situations than hers. I think the reason she stands out is the ridiculous VK storyline. It's almost like if you love Dayton, you have to hate Victoria because she got better treatment. I'm neutral on both - I don't love Victoria or even like her all that much, but I don't get the love for Dayton either, except that people love her mom. 

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14 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I can see that, but I think if she had been better prepared, she probably would have fared a lot better than she did. Both Kelli and Judy knew she wasn't, and on top of that I think being late to makeovers was the nail in her coffin. Without that incident I think she had a chance. Being late, especially as a rookie candidate, is pretty much the end. I also agree that Kelli probably didn't want her there in the first place though. Dayton had a flat affect and wasn't enthusiastic. I think Judy saw her as a dance risk and Kelli saw her as an ambassador risk. 

Don't get me wrong. I felt awful for her when she got cut because she cried so hard. I think it was a combination of stress, disappointment and she was probably also embarrassed. So I understand why she said she wouldn't audition again unless there wasn't a show. 

But she didn't finish the contract, and we don't know if it was personal or disciplinary, and I believe she later auditioned for Disney Cruise Line and didn't get it. I feel badly for her because she's young and it can be hard to find your footing if you don't know exactly what you want to do at 19-20-21-22. She always said she didn't want to audition but then changed her mind and auditioned twice. I also think there were many more candidates with more heartbreaking situations than hers. I think the reason she stands out is the ridiculous VK storyline. It's almost like if you love Dayton, you have to hate Victoria because she got better treatment. I'm neutral on both - I don't love Victoria or even like her all that much, but I don't get the love for Dayton either, except that people love her mom. 

She could have been the best prepared dancer out on that floor and it wouldn't have mattered because there's only so much it can help (usually through auditions).  It doesn't help when the boss/potential boss is harder on her then the other girls and, from what we heard/saw, being MUCH harder on her then anyone else.  I don't know about you, but I don't do well when I have a boss/potential boss hovering over my shoulder, criticizing everything I do, and telling me that my best isn't good enough among other things.  That, plus watching someone else with the same "standing" (rookie candidate with legacy potential and connections to the organization as well as knowing the standards better then almost anyone else) get the "easier" treatment with constant praise and issues being glossed over that would have been critiques for anyone else.  

I get what you're saying, that she might not stand out as much without Victoria, but it was the whole compare/contrast issue for them, plus Kelli being harder on Dayton then she was with Victoria with a huge helping of favoritism/nepotism that Kelli heaped on Victoria.  If we hadn't seen the unfairness that Kelli herself created due to the unequal treatment she provided for both girls, I don't think there would have been as much of an issue.  

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26 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

She could have been the best prepared dancer out on that floor and it wouldn't have mattered because there's only so much it can help (usually through auditions).  It doesn't help when the boss/potential boss is harder on her then the other girls and, from what we heard/saw, being MUCH harder on her then anyone else.  I don't know about you, but I don't do well when I have a boss/potential boss hovering over my shoulder, criticizing everything I do, and telling me that my best isn't good enough among other things.  That, plus watching someone else with the same "standing" (rookie candidate with legacy potential and connections to the organization as well as knowing the standards better then almost anyone else) get the "easier" treatment with constant praise and issues being glossed over that would have been critiques for anyone else.  

I get what you're saying, that she might not stand out as much without Victoria, but it was the whole compare/contrast issue for them, plus Kelli being harder on Dayton then she was with Victoria with a huge helping of favoritism/nepotism that Kelli heaped on Victoria.  If we hadn't seen the unfairness that Kelli herself created due to the unequal treatment she provided for both girls, I don't think there would have been as much of an issue.  

That's all very true and I agree. But I still think if Dayton was better prepared, her outcome would have been much better. I have always maintained that the reason Kelli was so hard on Dayton was because Kelli knew she hadn't done as much as she should have to get ready, and Kelli was disappointed in that. VK by comparison had been in prep classes since she was 15, regardless of whether or not she benefitted from them (major tongue in cheek there). I agree there was unfair bias, but I also think Dayton didn't do herself any favors.

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3 minutes ago, CrazyMoon said:

Every man I've ever known likes something he can get ahold of...skinny butt models are alright to look at, but when it comes to up close & personal they want to hold onto something.

that's what I always understood.........I've always had plenty of junk in the trunk ~ to even be a donor!!  

As it was just mentioned previously in re: Hannah and the shorts (or lack thereof)..... these are custom made uniforms. She could've been given a bit more fabric to cover the derierre and been so much more flattering!  Even if still hugging the backside as it should ~ just a little more of it!

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1 hour ago, RedDelicious said:

That's all very true and I agree. But I still think if Dayton was better prepared, her outcome would have been much better. I have always maintained that the reason Kelli was so hard on Dayton was because Kelli knew she hadn't done as much as she should have to get ready, and Kelli was disappointed in that. VK by comparison had been in prep classes since she was 15, regardless of whether or not she benefitted from them (major tongue in cheek there). I agree there was unfair bias, but I also think Dayton didn't do herself any favors.

100%.  If Kelli had to pick A or B, it was always going to be VK, but I think if Dayton had been cheerful, prepared, enthusiastic and shone as much as Kelli knew she was capable, there was easily a spot for both on the squad.  I think Kelli was tough on Dayton because she knew her so well, knew she was capable and was falling short of that.  PLUS VK was doing the same and falling apart, and maybe Kelli just took it out more on Dayton.  Kelli was in a bad position and didn't handle it well.  Dayton handled things with a lot more grace, and you could tell she was beating herself up about it too.  VK was just a total mess and blamed everyone but herself, then thankfully seemed to catch up to herself a bit the next year. 

At least from what was shown, the behind the scenes gossip would suggest otherwise.

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9 hours ago, JayDKay said:

Girl had the most amazing body. She just had some junk in her trunk. I blame the 'custom fit' shorts not being made right for her body.... 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEH84jiMhiW/

Can I have Hannah's body, please? Pretty please? Even before the Hannah cut situation brought her to the forefront, I always thought she stood out physique-wise. She's beyond gorgeous.


K&J&C will say anything on camera when they decide to cut someone (or keep someone that should be cut), and spin it however the hell they want too. 

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2 hours ago, kalibean said:

100%.  If Kelli had to pick A or B, it was always going to be VK, but I think if Dayton had been cheerful, prepared, enthusiastic and shone as much as Kelli knew she was capable, there was easily a spot for both on the squad.  I think Kelli was tough on Dayton because she knew her so well, knew she was capable and was falling short of that.  PLUS VK was doing the same and falling apart, and maybe Kelli just took it out more on Dayton.  Kelli was in a bad position and didn't handle it well.  Dayton handled things with a lot more grace, and you could tell she was beating herself up about it too.  VK was just a total mess and blamed everyone but herself, then thankfully seemed to catch up to herself a bit the next year. 

At least from what was shown, the behind the scenes gossip would suggest otherwise.

VK and Dayton are both great examples of why most DCC are best to wait until they are in their 20s to audition. Personally, the years in my life I would have been most prepared, most knowledgable, most undaunted, most polished, and in my best physical form was actually my late 20s, none of this 18 year old 19 year old stuff. I am not giving them a pass because they were young, but they were young, and life experiences and natural aging give you an edge and steady-handedness you don't understand until you have reached that point.

I wish Kelli supported that more - an older, mentally and physically prepared DCC versus being drawn to the fresh faced rookie that needs a lot of polishing. It always adds drama and emotion that really doesn't need to be there, and could be easily avoided if she simply embraced a "come back when you're a bit older and ready" motto. 

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9 hours ago, JayDKay said:

Girl had the most amazing body. She just had some junk in her trunk. I blame the 'custom fit' shorts not being made right for her body.... 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEH84jiMhiW/

As much as I adore Hannah, you shouldn't base her weight off her Instagram pictures. You can tell she edits them with the Facetune app, the same app Gina uses. That said, I still don't agree that her weight was an issue! She was a smokeshow

4 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

I don't get the love for Dayton either, except that people love her mom. 

I'm with you there, and I don't think Dayton was "treated horribly." After bombing the interview the 1st time, I don't think she deserved to go beyond finals. And when she DID get into TC, she was late for makeovers & wasn't so great in the "power-pom" style. I simply don't think memory was her problem, I think it was nerves that made her lose her memory.

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22 hours ago, hannahbanana said:

 

I thought Kelli's excuse was "weak pom technique."

Sure but I didn't really think that was the real reason. Plenty of other people had pointed out Hannah's strength. I remember that there was some comment during one of the episodes that she looked soft and the expression on Hannah's face when Kelli got her on the Zoom call...I don't know. It just seemed like there was other stuff going on.

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19 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

With Hannah I thought there *was something going on with her size. She was never overweight of course but wasn’t she the one who could barely keep her backside contained in the shorts?

 

Same here. And of course to us in the real world her figure is amazing, but DCC standards are something else entirely. As for her Hannah not being able to keep her backside in her shorts, I never noticed that, but given that their uniforms are custom made for them, then that might be a design flaw.

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10 minutes ago, Blue hues said:

Kelli would likely be intimidated by a cheerleader that is older, more mature, and wiser!  She likely picks the younger more naive girls since they are more likely to put up with her BS and drink the DCC koolaid with a yes mam, thank you mam.  KF doesn’t seem the type to appreciate women who know themselves and what they will and will not stand for.

Nailed it!

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9 minutes ago, KnyghtRyder said:

My own opinion for what it’s worth….

Hannah was disgusted by the false “covid bubble” touted by The Powers That Be and vocalized those concerns. Kelli is disgusted by anyone who challenges her. The End. 

I believe this definitely could’ve happened. I was just let go from my job bc I mentioned that our team was toxic & bullying & we needed to improve this before we start our next project. I thought being honest & working to fix the team dynamic would be a good thing, shame on me bc the two team members who behaved like mean girls are still there & one girl left without a job & I was released… so yeah could Hannah have been penalized for speaking her truth yep… 

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1 hour ago, Bellisima08 said:

Sure but I didn't really think that was the real reason. Plenty of other people had pointed out Hannah's strength. I remember that there was some comment during one of the episodes that she looked soft and the expression on Hannah's face when Kelli got her on the Zoom call...I don't know. It just seemed like there was other stuff going on.

 

7 minutes ago, KnyghtRyder said:

My own opinion for what it’s worth….

Hannah was disgusted by the false “covid bubble” touted by The Powers That Be and vocalized those concerns. Kelli is disgusted by anyone who challenges her. The End. 

Yes, I know "weak pom technique" was not the real reason Hannah was cut (hence the use of the word "excuse"), but it is what I remember being said. Being "soft" could also apply to pom technique. It definitely had nothing to do with her weight (including her backside hanging out of her shorts).

As others have pointed out, there were also remarks about her looking pale, stressed, & unhappy, but I agree with @KnyghtRyder. The real reason (which Kelli & Co. will never admit to) is that Hannah called them out on their faux bubble & they didn't like it.

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