Predator and Prey: Assault, harassment, and other aggressions in the entertainment industry

[WinnieWinkle]

Re Cosby - has he really only been in jail for 2 years?  Seems longer.

[SunnyBeBe]

10 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Because they weren’t initially charged with all of the same crimes and she took a plea deal and cooperated so only had to plead guilty to racketeering and he was found guilty of Sex trafficking (2 counts), Racketeering, Forced labor conspiracy, Attempted sex trafficking, Wire fraud conspiracy, and Racketeering conspiracy.

And in much worse news. 

Fuck off, Pennsylvania Supreme Court!

 

I’m reading the decision now...it’s long, but well written.  Hmmm.....

So, aren’t there charges in another state pending?

[biakbiak]

2 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Re Cosby - has he really only been in jail for 2 years?  Seems longer.

He went in Sept. 25, 2018, so closer to three. 

[Spartan Girl]

FUCK THE PA SUPREME COURT!!!!

My mom says he probably won’t live much longer but he won’t die in prison and that’s all we wanted!

Edited June 30, 2021 by Spartan Girl

[merylinkid]

FUCK.   Not a good day.   

WTF was that prosecutor THINKING?????    A civil case, if he didn't testify and plead the 5th the court COULD take an adverse inference.   So he got Cosby to agree to testify in the civil case -- for whatever that was worth -- and not put the bastard in jail?   How is that considered a reasonable tradeoff?    His testimony in the civil trial wouldn't help convict him because the PROSECUTOR FUCKING AGREED TO NOT BRING CHARGES.   So the civil trial was for what?   to get a judgment the women will have to chase to collect because you know everything is in the wife's name or the kids' names.    The prosecutor better be sanctioned for that stupidity.   You fuck up a criminal case for civil?????????

Then Alison Mack, oh dear the poor thing has to do 3 years for BRANDING WOMEN.   Just NO.   

 

At this rate, I expect the prosecutors to send a limo to escort Ghislaine Maxwell out of jail and meet her personally with flowers and an apology.

[Enigma X]

THIS IS SOME HOT FLY-INFESTED BULLSHIT!

[DearEvette]

47 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Not long enough for my liking, but at least it's something. As long as Keith Raniere rots 'til the bitter end, then I'm happy.

Ugh.  I wish it were more.  But yeah, she got some time and is a convicted felon. Now as long as people remember that she was a black mailing, sex trafficker who mentally and physically tortured women regardless of what she was actually charged with and doesn't get the Hollywood Redemption Welcome Reception  when she is out, I'll be even more satisfied.

34 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

And in much worse news. 

Fuck off, Pennsylvania Supreme Court!

Man.  Wow.  This is soooooo fucked up.

[Irlandesa]

Bill Cosby is a very rich man who could keep paying lawyers to look for loopholes.  Loopholes he likely received because he was a very rich man. 

I am just flummoxed at how a civil trial protected Cosby from criminal charges. 

And things like this are why women often don't pursue criminal charges or come forward. Sometimes sharing their stories on Twitter or in print is all they can handle.

[Wiendish Fitch]

7 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

At this rate, I expect the prosecutors to send a limo to escort Ghislaine Maxwell out of jail and meet her personally with flowers and an apology.

Hell, why stop there? Let's release Larry Nassar and have him not only practice medicine again, but be the new head of USAG! Have Chris Watts be on the next season of The Bachelor! Everyone deserves another chance, right?! And let's give poor widdle Brock Turner his spot in the Olympics that was so cruelly wrested from his promising young hands! GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Sorry, but sometimes inappropriate humor is the only way I can cope with all this bullshit.

[MargeGunderson]

There is a tiny, tiny, molecule of comfort in knowing that Bill Cosby has been exposed for being the piece of shit that he is, and nothing can change that. His reputation is in ruins. He should absolutely be in jail. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

1 minute ago, MargeGunderson said:

There is a tiny, tiny, molecule of comfort in knowing that Bill Cosby has been exposed for being the piece of shit that he is, and nothing can change that. His reputation is in ruins. He should absolutely be in jail. 

My sole comfort is that he's old, and has never struck me as a health nut. He may get his freedom, but how much of it will he really enjoy?

Then again, I'm reminded of this tragically true statement by Lewis Black:

The good die young, and the pricks LIVE FOREVER!

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I am just flummoxed at how a civil trial protected Cosby from criminal charges. 

Because the prosecutor at the time apparently made a deal that he wouldn’t charge him if he gave a deposition in the civil case but then the new DA later used that deposition in the criminal trial against him which they found to be a violation of his 5th Amendment rights.

[Irlandesa]

Could they re-try Cosby if they don't use the deposition?

[biakbiak]

2 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Could they re-try Cosby if they don't use the deposition?

According to the articles I have read about the decision they ruled he could not be prosecuted again. This was also in the AP article and it’s infuriating “There was no evidence that promise was ever put in writing.”

[Spartan Girl]

19 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

My sole comfort is that he's old, and has never struck me as a health nut. He may get his freedom, but how much of it will he really enjoy?

Then again, I'm reminded of this tragically true statement by Lewis Black:

The good die young, and the pricks LIVE FOREVER!

Prayer circle that he drops dead this week. That’s the only way I can live with this.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, catlover79 said:

I am beyond outraged!!! 😡😡😡😡😡

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wgal.com/amp/article/bill-cosby-sex-assault-conviction-overturned-pennsylvania/36890511

Awful but it doesn’t really surprise me. I had a bad feeling it would go this way once I read the details. The prosecutor screwed up. 

15 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

According to the articles I have read about the decision they ruled he could not be prosecuted again. This was also in the AP article and it’s infuriating “There was no evidence that promise was ever put in writing.”

It not being in writing matters very little when the former prosecutor admits to it and publicly claims Cosby couldn’t ever be prosecuted. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by Guest

[biakbiak]

6 minutes ago, Dani said:

It not being in writing matters very little when the former prosecutor admits to it and publicly claims Cosby couldn’t ever be prosecuted. 

Well for many reasons that would be off-topic I have many, many issues with Bruce Castor, his relationship to the truth, and his ability as a lawyer.

Edited June 30, 2021 by biakbiak

[Wiendish Fitch]

5 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Prayer circle that he drops dead this week. That’s the only way I can live with this.

Let us hope...

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Well for many reasons that would be off-topic I have many, many issues with Bruce Castor his relationship to the truth and his ability as a lawyer.

So do I but those same reasons make it very likely he told Cosby exactly what he claims. 

[biakbiak]

Just now, Dani said:

So do I but those same reasons make it very likely he told Cosby exactly what he claims. 

Clearly MMV. 

Someone asked upthread but I don’t believe there are any other cases even being contemplated in other jurisdictions as there were in Weinstein’s case. 

[Irlandesa]

9 minutes ago, Dani said:

The prosecutor screwed up. 

I don't know that he did.  Sometimes things that look like screw ups are exactly the way some people intend them to be.

He might not have taken the case seriously.  He arguably did not want to prosecute the case. Making that agreement creates a situation where he never has to prosecute and Cosby can get a monetary slap on the wrist at most. 

[biakbiak]

Fuck off, Phylicia! This is not a vindication for what he even ADMITTED TO DOING! She also limited her replies so someone on her team probably realizes this was about to get her dragged. 

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by biakbiak

[Wiendish Fitch]

2 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Fuck off, Phylicia! This is not a vindication for what he even ADMITTED TO DOING!

 

 

[anna0852]

Could the person who made the bad deal in the 1st place be sued or prosecuted for prosecutorial misconduct?

Also, fuck you Phylicia Rashad.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I don't know that he did.  Sometimes things that look like screw ups are exactly the way some people intend them to be.

He might not have taken the case seriously.  He arguably did not want to prosecute the case. Making that agreement creates a situation where he never has to prosecute and Cosby can get a monetary slap on the wrist at most. 

Very true about the original prosecutor. I was also talking about the later prosecutors setting up the ruling to be thrown out giving Cosby this victory. At least he spent a few years in jail but watching him and his supporters feel vindicated makes me sick to my stomach. 

[callie lee 29]

What the actual fuck!!? I can't even form a coherent thought.

[catlover79]

Phylicia...go away. People like you are a big part of this problem. Sickening. 😡😡😡😡😡

[Annber03]

Legit stunned by the Cosby news.

But please, anti-#MeToo people, do go on about how this movement is totally destroying the accused's lives. 

[BetterButter]

James Franco to Pay $2.2M to Settle Sexual Misconduct Suit

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A Los Angeles judge will need to sign off on a deal to resolve claims from Franco's former acting students.

 

[possibilities]

If that agreement was never put in writing, why do we believe it ever existed? You'd think that if it existed, it would have come to light a lot sooner. I 100% believe this is made up bullshit, a lie someone thought of in order to get him exonerated. 

[merylinkid]

The rapist is out of jail ALREADY.    People have been exonerated from death row and waited longer for their paperwork to process.   Like literally, the Supreme Court handed down the decision and they opened the cell door.   Fuck you Pennsylvania.  

 

Also how the fuck was this issue not raised at trial?   the deal would have been known.   

[possibilities]

Fines should bear some relationship to size of the person's wealth. These people can just buy their cases and suffer no loss, not even notice the financial hit to their bottom line, where the average person would be completely unable to do so.

[rcc]

37 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Fuck off, Phylicia! This is not a vindication for what he even ADMITTED TO DOING! She also limited her replies so someone on her team probably realizes this was about to get her dragged. 

 

Just think that while watching the tv show the two stars were as horrible as we now know them to be. 

[catlover79]

1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

At this rate, I expect the prosecutors to send a limo to escort Ghislaine Maxwell out of jail and meet her personally with flowers and an apology.

Why not give all of them the key to the city while we're at it? 😡😡😡😡😡

[callie lee 29]

So has phylicia always had her Twitter locked down to comments or is this recent?

[biakbiak]

Just now, callie lee 29 said:

So has phylicia always had her Twitter locked down to comments or is this recent?

You can lockdown by the tweet which is what she did in this case. 

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

You can lockdown by the tweet which is what she did in this case. 

But that does not stop people from Quote tweeting it.  She is getting roasted all over Twitter right now.  When I looked about 20 minutes ago, her tweet had 14,000 quote tweets.  Her tweet is getting more views this way than if she would have allowed comments.  

[callie lee 29]

4 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

You can lockdown by the tweet which is what she did in this case. 

Well that's disappointing (but probably smart).

[catlover79]

Crime pays, ladies and gentlemen!! That is, if you are rich and famous, as the PA Supreme Court taught us. 

Phylicia is getting roasted on Twitter? GOOD!! It couldn't happen to a more deserving woman. 

[biakbiak]

I do love Josh Malina:

 

[Scarlett45]

11 minutes ago, catlover79 said:

Crime pays, ladies and gentlemen!! That is, if you are rich and famous, as the PA Supreme Court taught us. 

Phylicia is getting roasted on Twitter? GOOD!! It couldn't happen to a more deserving woman. 

I am disappointed in Phylicia but I am not surprised. It's amazing the mental hoops you can jump through when someone is your "friend", and yeah, I can believe they were friends, and that he never tried to assault her nor did she see anything, but that doesn't mean you DEFEND HIM.

He ADMITTED IT. If you want to offer him support, call him privately, don't claim its a miscarriage of justice when dozens of women were violated (one woman is too many) and he ADMITTED it.

I have a lot more understanding for the children who's careers he launched, who looked up to him. Keisha, Raven, Jaleel have all basically said "I dont know anything about what happened- I was a child at the time, he was never inappropriate with me, I hope victims get justice."- THE END.

[AgentRXS]

It's not like we all didn't know that she was on his side. It's insane that she would willingly allow herself to be dragged for him. I do not think she is the only celebrity to support him by far--but everyone else who does has the smarts to be private about it.

And to do this while being a dean at Howard? Unbelievable. I would not be surprised if she is let go.

[biakbiak]

1 minute ago, AgentRXS said:

would not be surprised if she is let go.

I will be.

[WinnieWinkle]

For me with Cosby I can vaguely remember a time when I defended him - I think I can remember feeling that what he was being accused of could not possibly be true.  I don't think I was alone in this - I grew up with him as a benevolent father figure on TV and I also grew up listening to his records, which were hilariously funny.  Somewhere along the way though I had to come to terms with the reality of what he was like in his real life as opposed to the life he portrayed for his public.  So I really do get where his friends are coming from but c'mon how much more has to come out before you accept that the face he showed you was only one of his faces?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, possibilities said:

If that agreement was never put in writing, why do we believe it ever existed? You'd think that if it existed, it would have come to light a lot sooner. I 100% believe this is made up bullshit, a lie someone thought of in order to get him exonerated. 

The thing that makes me think that the deal was really made is that Cosby testified in the civil case. He admitted to all kinds of illegal activity that really doesn’t make sense unless he felt he couldn’t be touched criminally. Plus, the former prosecutor’s background makes me think he is exactly the type who would make that kind of awful deal. For me, every argument over why the prosecutor would lie also supports why he would essentially give Cosby a get out jail free card. 
 

As awful as this is, I am really glad that didn’t rule on the other issue over past bad acts testimony. If they had sided with Cosby on that it could have had disastrous consequences for lots of other cases. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by Guest

[cleo]

I was just coming here to post that I fully expe t a nauseating statement from Cosby as though he is innocent. Phylicia beat me to it. Boy she had that tweet ready to go.

 

What pieces of shits they both are.

[Bastet]

8 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I will be.

Same.  Her stance was just as well known when they hired her, so they either don't care or agree with her.

[Scarlett45]

14 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

For me with Cosby I can vaguely remember a time when I defended him - I think I can remember feeling that what he was being accused of could not possibly be true.  I don't think I was alone in this - I grew up with him as a benevolent father figure on TV and I also grew up listening to his records, which were hilariously funny.  Somewhere along the way though I had to come to terms with the reality of what he was like in his real life as opposed to the life he portrayed for his public.  So I really do get where his friends are coming from but c'mon how much more has to come out before you accept that the face he showed you was only one of his faces?

Cosby broke my heart like everyone else. Such a great figure in the community (before we all knew his true colors) and the HYPOCRISY! 

I can understand how after years of friendship, where he was nothing but appropriate with you, you would be in disbelief. But after 60 women say the exact same thing, and he ADMITS IT, how could you open your mouth and defend him? Just because he was your friend and good to YOU, doesn't mean that it's okay for them to drug and assault people. Even if they were "insert prerogative for women here" or the second coming of the Virgin Mary, it was wrong- not an excuse!

[WinnieWinkle]

1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

, how could you open your mouth and defend him?

And not just defend him, calling his conviction a "miscarriage of justice"!  Wow.

[biakbiak]

19 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Same.  Her stance was just as well known when they hired her, so they either don't care or agree with her.

Not to mention Howard is one of the handful of universities that never rescinded his honorary degree.  

Edited June 30, 2021 by biakbiak