S16.E05: Week 5

[plotpointer]

Spencer comes across as gay to me.  I'm surprised he's the first guy that stood out to her.

[TiredMe]

1 hour ago, OnTime said:

My prediction was accurate about Clare/Dale.  Do I get to go to their wedding???

Chris didn't ask them anything important such as

Dale, are you moving? Didn't he live in South Dakota? 

Dale, Has your family talked to Clare? Are they excited you found instant love with this person who has been on 4 other bach shows?

Hopefully this is ok to post since they are no longer on the show. But RS said this was taped before they even left the resort so I would guess too early for more hardball questions. She has meet his fam now and RS said they were looking for a place in Sacramento. 

[JudyObscure]

I'm over being a Clare fan, but I did think the editors were being needlessly mean showing the guys saying that even though Tayshia just got there they're already more into her than they ever were into Clare, and the man asking Tayshia's age (29) and saying, "That's perfect!"  Then we had several guys saying Tayshia's personality and age was much more their speed, etc.  It's just never nice to compare one woman to another in such a negative way.  They fired Clare and brought Tayshia in, that should be enough.

[Cornhusker12]

11 hours ago, leocadia said:

Tayshia almost lost me in the first few minutes with her use of "Cheers" as a verb.  ("Cheers me" or whatever she said)  I know that's what the kiddos are saying these days, but it's a personal pet peeve.  That being said, she was so much warmer and more articulate than her predecessor that she's getting a second chance.

Haha my ears perk up on those moments too, I know she did a "cheers me" but if I remember correctly she also said "I'd like to toast to all of you" and "cheers to love," that's a not-bad 2/3 for this show!

I had zero opinion of Brendan before his date and expected nothing from him for some reason, but I ended up surprised! He just seemed like a totally pleasant nice guy who stumbled into the Bachelorette universe from the real world where normal people live! I hope that continues.

[alexa]

15 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

I'm over being a Clare fan, but I did think the editors were being needlessly mean showing the guys saying that even though Tayshia just got there they're already more into her than they ever were into Clare, and the man asking Tayshia's age (29) and saying, "That's perfect!"  Then we had several guys saying Tayshia's personality and age was much more their speed, etc.  It's just never nice to compare one woman to another in such a negative way.  They fired Clare and brought Tayshia in, that should be enough.

Normally I would agree, but Clare did not go into this process open minded or give any effort whatsoever.  She had one guy in mind, ditched the other guys repeatedly, asked them to express love for her from the get go even though she had no energy to give them at all.  I think Tayisha at least looks interested in the process and is trying to have fun chatting with them, etc...that is what should be happening, and most people would like that kind of person more, quite frankly.  I was never a big Tayisha fan, but I think she is doing a good job of being positive and fun.

[waving feather]

21 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

I did think the editors were being needlessly mean showing the guys saying that even though Tayshia just got there they're already more into her than they ever were into Clare, and the man asking Tayshia's age (29) and saying, "That's perfect!"

I get this but at the same time I can't fault the editors for showing what was actually said and can't fault the guys for doing the comparison. It is natural that some of them would connect to one more than the other. And Clare didn't give most of them the time of day, so can't blame them for feeling this way. The only other guys besides Dale that she spent more time with were Jason and Blake, and as a result, they seem more into Clare than Tayshia. The rest barely got her attention. And if it's a Bachelor switch instead of a Bachelorette switch the same type of comparisons would be made by the ladies. So it's not really pitting one woman against another. YMMV.

ETA: Good for Jason for leaving when his heart is not into it anymore. He's a charming enough guy that he could have cruise through a few more rose ceremonies.

Edited November 11, 2020 by waving feather

[thehepburn]

44 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

My sister was aghast by her being in the same room as Claire and kept hoping they cleaned it first lol

I st

 

I took a look at the La Quinta website and that El Presidente Suite is the largest that they offer at 2000 sq ft. I'm sure it comes with maid service.

On a side note, Bennet must have ponied up a bit to upgrade his suite to one with it's own private hot tub where he and Demar can do facial masks in.

[Alexander Pope]

14 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I think Dale will end up in the fetal position or rocking back and forth in a corner, saying, Make it stop! He is so inarticulate which is great because Clare will gladly talk enough for both of them. 
Looks like Jason is on the way out. I don’t blame him after that reveal your dark side date with Clare. 
Kenny looks kinda rough for his age, I’m guessing it’s from baking in the sun. I do like his chest tat. 
The new guy with the stache looks straight off a porn set. 
Love EZ calling Spencer a douche and lunch meat. Come to think of it, I’ve never met a spender who wasn’t. 
Other than Jason, the other guys seemed relieved that Clare is gone. 

I think it was Riley calling Spencer lunch meat and connecting him, in an elaborate allegory, to the fried baloney he had for lunch every day as a kid.  I think the showdown in the pool between La Jolla and Detroit was EPIC!!  Detroit is gonna win every time in that scenario!

[TomGirl]

Whoops!

https://people.com/tv/new-bachelorette-contestant-peter-giannikopoulos-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

[JudyObscure]

17 minutes ago, alexa said:

Normally I would agree, but Clare did not go into this process open minded or give any effort whatsoever.  She had one guy in mind, ditched the other guys repeatedly, asked them to express love for her from the get go even though she had no energy to give them at all.  I think Tayisha at least looks interested in the process and is trying to have fun chatting with them, etc...that is what should be happening, and most people would like that kind of person more, quite frankly.  I was never a big Tayisha fan, but I think she is doing a good job of being positive and fun.

I agree with all that. I wasn't defending Clare, or criticizing Tayshia. 

I was criticizing the show's editors for showing those moments when Clare was bad mouthed, they have hours and hours of footage to choose from.  It seemed sort of classless to me.  Clare isn't there to defend herself and the age thing was particularly harsh.  Clare can't help her age or the fact that the show cast so many young guys.

[Alexander Pope]

13 hours ago, DEL901 said:

I kind of like Brenden.  He is very self aware and seems nice.  And Tayshia is smitten.   Producers are probably freaking out......No No No.   Not again!

I like him too.  He seems sweet and not as polished (in a good way) as some of the others.  Maybe even genuine.  And his bio says he is an artist!  And he is good looking in a quiet way--he definitely has his angles.

[thehepburn]

"Artist"?

Is dat what they call part-time models these days? I read that Turtleneck took out "Artist" from his IG bio when he got back from his season. He must have known it wouldnt fly. I find him incredibly uncharismatic but I'll take a second look at him now that I know that Tay wants to have his five taybies. He just always seem so sweaty and since he is the one insisting on wearing turtlenecks in 100 degree heat, he get no sympathies from me. I hate Stupid.

[Arkay]

5 hours ago, JenE4 said:

I was impressed when Claire insisted that the coronavirus was responsible for her deciding that there was only one guy for her.

Well, sure. What's a once-in-a-century plague for, after all? So what if Covid is butchering the whole world....Clare is NOT going to apologize for love. 

[Alexander Pope]

6 minutes ago, thehepburn said:

"Artist"?

Is dat what they call part-time models these days? I read that Turtleneck took out "Artist" from his IG bio when he got back from his season. He must have known it wouldnt fly. I find him incredibly uncharismatic but I'll take a second look at him now that I know that Tay wants to have his five taybies. He just always seem so sweaty and since he is the one insisting on wearing turtlenecks in 100 degree heat, he get no sympathies from me. I hate Stupid.

What can I say, I am gullible.  To his credit, he did laugh at himself for wearing a turtleneck in the heat.

[tinkerbell]

1 hour ago, waving feather said:

I get this but at the same time I can't fault the editors for showing what was actually said and can't fault the guys for doing the comparison. It is natural that some of them would connect to one more than the other. And Clare didn't give most of them the time of day, so can't blame them for feeling this way. The only other guys besides Dale that she spent more time with were Jason and Blake, and as a result, they seem more into Clare than Tayshia. The rest barely got her attention. And if it's a Bachelor switch instead of a Bachelorette switch the same type of comparisons would be made by the ladies. So it's not really pitting one woman against another. YMMV.

 

I think for some of the guys it was a kind of "sour grapes " reaction. Clare had zero interest in them, made them jump through hoops to prove their worth, but didn't give them a chance. So they react with "she was too old, not fun, etc."

Its interesting that the guys were all competing for Clare's attention,  and now competing for tayshias attention. Whomever the show put in, they fix her up and put her in an evening gown, and the group goes nuts over her.

[Alexander Pope]

16 minutes ago, tinkerbell said:

I think for some of the guys it was a kind of "sour grapes " reaction. Clare had zero interest in them, made them jump through hoops to prove their worth, but didn't give them a chance. So they react with "she was too old, not fun, etc."

Its interesting that the guys were all competing for Clare's attention,  and now competing for tayshias attention. Whomever the show put in, they fix her up and put her in an evening gown, and the group goes nuts over her.

This season has been like a deconstruction or parody of the show.  Because you're describing the rules of the show.  Which are nuts.

[saber5055]

2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I'm over being a Clare fan, but I did think the editors were being needlessly mean showing the guys saying that even though Tayshia just got there they're already more into her than they ever were into Clare, and the man asking Tayshia's age (29) and saying, "That's perfect!" 

I agree with this. While my antenna was going in and out due to the hurricane-force winds outside (80mph!) and I missed some of it, I was thinking we've never seen a convo where anyone asks someone's age, or their occupation, or they talk about normal life stuff. I know Tayisha is new to the guys, but the editing choice was ... interesting, to say the least. I'm sure all has been said on previous shows, TPTB just never let us see it.

I can appreciate the men being happy that they are finally getting some attention. Although, given what happened to Broken Jason, they should be glad Clare ignored them. And there's Spa Guy who got blasted by her, and the "You're so beautiful" guy who got sent home. Yeah, these guys should give thanks Clare ignored them. They get to live another day.

Clare also cancelled RCs, although that was to mack on Dale instead while Tayisha cancelled hers to spend more time with the guys.

Way to follow the script, Tayisha!

Edited November 11, 2020 by saber5055

[tennisgurl]

Was it me or did even the beginning episode of the announcement sound like it was throwing shade at Clare? 

"The men endured weeks of quarantine to meet Clare, only for Clare to find Dale. The sixteen men feel cheated." It sounds like, as much as the show is trying to call Clare/Dale as a successful happy ending, they are still rather salty at what a failed Bachelorette she was. 

[thehepburn]

12 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Was it me or did even the beginning episode of the announcement sound like it was throwing shade at Clare? 

"The men endured weeks of quarantine to meet Clare, only for Clare to find Dale. The sixteen men feel cheated." It sounds like, as much as the show is trying to call Clare/Dale as a successful happy ending, they are still rather salty at what a failed Bachelorette she was. 

 

I'm sure that the producers are throwing every editing trick in the bk in order to villify her but the producers didnt force her to twitter "Respect the rules. Respect ME." back in May. Then SHE disrespected any guy not named Dale by canceling every date and party. I have no fucks to give.

[Kiss my mutt]

I wish we didn’t have to wait a week for the next show. Some much time was lost on the Clare/Dale stuff and then the election, I still don’t know who’s who on this show except for maybe a couple of standouts. 

[Crashcourse]

Tayshia is "fun and bubbly," but too much so, IMO.  I remember from Colton's season I couldn't take her being so hyper, and I tuned out whenever she was on the tv screen.  She's a refreshing change from rigid, sourpuss, Clare who was horny lovesick for Dale, but Tayshia will become exhausting to watch.  And stop grinning so damn much!

[tennisgurl]

6 minutes ago, thehepburn said:

I'm sure that the producers are throwing every editing trick in the bk in order to villify her but the producers didnt force her to twitter "Respect the rules. Respect ME." back in May. Then SHE disrespected any guy not named Dale by canceling every date and party. I have no fucks to give.

Yeah, I am sure that Clare got a bad edit, probably focusing on her worst moments or maybe even encouraging her to talk about Dale in the one on ones, or picking crappy dates for her, and showing lots of the guys being upset at Clare, but I don't think that its all just a bad edit, especially with a lot of the stuff that Clare has said online. I cant imagine the show wanted her to totally focus in on Dale, to the point where they left the show early, and while maybe some of it was producer manipulation, I totally feel like the "gave a rose to herself" at the last party was on her, as well as some of her other crappy behavior towards the other guys, and running off to spend all of her time with Dale. I am pretty damn sure the show didn't make Clare smell his boxers. So while some of this was certainly bad editing, a lot of it was just Clare. 

Besides, I don't think that the show can give her a bad edit on Twitter or in other interviews, where she basically comes off the same as she did on the show. Really defensive, self centered (even by reality star standards), unapologetic about how she treated the other guys, demanding respect when she has none to give others, and trying WAY too hard to sell her fairy tale and the whole "strong woman with high standards" act. 

[saber5055]

19 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I still don’t know who’s who on this show except for maybe a couple of standouts. 

LOL, that's me every season until around Hometown Visit time.

Word to your post @tennisgurl. I went from being the biggest Clare fan to not ever wanting to see or hear her again. To quote Mr. Wonderful, "She's dead to me."

[TheFinalRose]

I don't get the appeal of Spencer, at all.  I like Tayisha as the lead. But wow. Did that date on horseback look boring, just clip-clopping around the deserted resort.  I was waiting for the blooper at the end that showed Chris Harrison with a giant pooper-scooper to pick up the horse droppings but maybe that will come at the end of the season.  

Edited November 11, 2020 by TheFinalRose

[OnTime]

3 hours ago, TiredMe said:

Hopefully this is ok to post since they are no longer on the show. But RS said this was taped before they even left the resort so I would guess too early for more hardball questions. She has meet his fam now and RS said they were looking for a place in Sacramento. 

Oh, that makes sense. I wonder why they didn't do a remote video call with them? Maybe the Neil Lane diamond wouldn't have looked as good.

Hopefully, they are gone from this season now!!

[Arkay]

10 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Tayshia is "fun and bubbly," but too much so, IMO.  I remember from Colton's season I couldn't take her being so hyper, and I tuned out whenever she was on the tv screen.  She's a refreshing change from rigid, sourpuss, Clare who was horny lovesick for Dale, but Tayshia will become exhausting to watch.  

I agree. I've always felt that she's too "on" all the time. Right now, though, she is a relief, in my opinion,  from Clare and her constant focus on only herself. Clare becoming the Bachelorette just amplified the personality she's always shown on Bachelor/ette shows. She didn't inquire about anything relating to her guys except as they related to what they know about her, or think of her and how much they have memorized her every utterance beforehand. I don't even feel that she asked too much about Dale. She wrestled him down and pinned him to the mat, as long as he was good-looking and promised to show up and to never leave. 

She did get Jason to unearth his traumas and then ignored him, and the poor guy has gone down the rabbit hole. 

So I'm not the greatest Tayshia fan but we did get to explore a bit more about the men. 

[Bluesky]

4 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I'm over being a Clare fan, but I did think the editors were being needlessly mean showing the guys saying that even though Tayshia just got there they're already more into her than they ever were into Clare, and the man asking Tayshia's age (29) and saying, "That's perfect!"  Then we had several guys saying Tayshia's personality and age was much more their speed, etc.  It's just never nice to compare one woman to another in such a negative way.  They fired Clare and brought Tayshia in, that should be enough.

Clare made it clear that none of them were worth getting to know so I have no problem with them expressing their relief over her replacement being pleasant and a better match. 

[cowgirlwen]

Am I the only person who did a double-take when Taysia said, "If you'd have told me a week ago that I would be the Bachelorette". Wait just an ever-loving minute!  Didn't she have to quarantine for 2 weeks like everyone else?  And what about the 4 new guys who showed up in the limo?  They acted like this was a last-minute surprise for them as well.  If I ever had any doubts about the show being pre-planned or set up, they all evaporated with this episode!  

Edited November 11, 2020 by cowgirlwen

[rebel2u]

Tayshia seems to talk a lot without saying too much---a trait I actually admire.  She mirrors the guys' speech back to them, repeating something they said or making a comment in response to a comment they made.   She says things like "I love it" or "You seemed quiet at first but now you seem more relaxed," comments that are non-threatening and help the guys feel like she likes them, listens to them and is there to give all the guys a fair chance in this game of love, lol---something Clare never seemed to do.  I think the ability to schmooze---in the very best possible way---is a great quality and she has it in spades.

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by rebel2u

[tennisgurl]

Look, I don't mean to keep bagging on Clare now that she left the show, but I just cant get over how cringy the interview with Clare and Dale was, especially when they got to the BABIIEESSSSS thing. Like, holy second hand embarrassment Batman! Clare saying the exact same "he showed up for me!" thing over and over again just sounded ridiculous, and made it sound, again, like all of this is about her and how Dale can help HER feel better, not about them starting a life together as a couple. Everything she said about their relationship was about how Dale is there for her, that he is there for her, that he makes her feel good, nothing really specific about what she even likes about Dale as a person. Then the baaaaabies thing oh my God, Dale had the most serious deer in headlights look I have seen in a long long time, especially as he was clearly saying something about them looking for a place together or something, while she was literally screeching about procreating before they even know each others middle names. I can imagine that Clare wants to hurry having kids along, as she is already in her late 30s, but WOW its so clear they have not had that conversation, and that they very much will be soon. Plus, it just makes her sound so immature, which is certainly on brand for her, but that was ridiculous even by Clare standards. 

The guys are really in a rough place. They probably don't want to go too hard on bashing Clare, the woman they were supposedly falling for like two days ago, which makes them look fickle, especially the ones that were all "I came for Clare I knew that Clare was the person I wanted to get to know" before she locked in on Dale, but they also want to get to talking up how much they like Tayshia now and need to switch gears and get to know her now while showing that they aren't hung up on Clare and they want to stick around, its a tough one. 

[peachmangosteen]

4 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

And stop grinning so damn much!

She does that same 'every tooth showing, tongue basically sticking out' smile that Clare does. Is this a thing? I hate it.

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I am pretty damn sure the show didn't make Clare smell his boxers.

Now now, in Clare's defense, they were his pants lol.

[ljenkins782]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Look, I don't mean to keep bagging on Clare now that she left the show, but I just cant get over how cringy the interview with Clare and Dale was, especially when they got to the BABIIEESSSSS thing. Like, holy second hand embarrassment Batman! Clare saying the exact same "he showed up for me!" thing over and over again just sounded ridiculous, and made it sound, again, like all of this is about her and how Dale can help HER feel better, not about them starting a life together as a couple. Everything she said about their relationship was about how Dale is there for her, that he is there for her, that he makes her feel good, nothing really specific about what she even likes about Dale as a person. Then the baaaaabies thing oh my God, Dale had the most serious deer in headlights look I have seen in a long long time, especially as he was clearly saying something about them looking for a place together or something, while she was literally screeching about procreating before they even know each others middle names. I can imagine that Clare wants to hurry having kids along, as she is already in her late 30s, but WOW its so clear they have not had that conversation, and that they very much will be soon. Plus, it just makes her sound so immature, which is certainly on brand for her, but that was ridiculous even by Clare standards. 

Her emotions are so right there on the surface, it's really intense, and probably a bit off-putting to a lot of people. She seems to be trying to spin that as her being so strong and knowing what she wants, but it comes across more like unresolved issues and trauma. Her obsession with her parents' whirlwind relationship and with her father seems to be the genesis of a lot of her issues with men, she has some fantasy land idea of long-term relationships when I'm sure her parents had the same rough patches that everyone did, she just doesn't know the details. Dale seems fairly laid-back and while opposites can attract, I can easily imagine him tiring of the emotional rollercoaster that is Clare.

The BABIES!! moment was screamingly awkward, but yeah, it's a topic that needs to be discussed pretty quickly when a woman is 39 years old. Yes, people can have kids much later these days, but it only gets harder with age. And Dale being only 31 may not be ready to go racing down that road, as his facial expression suggested.

I'm a little bummed with the switch-up because I was genuinely entertained by Clare's tone-deafness and self-centeredness, it made for a lot of amusing moments (like that poor doofus who tried to bullshit her with generic words and she was all "let me walk you out." That was hilarious.) But the one thing that I will not miss AT ALL is "show up." That quickly shot to the top of my most hated, overused phrase, like "finding my person." 

As for Tayshia's part, I'm glad she's recognizing Eazy's personality. I'm trying to remember why I was initially wary of him, did he seem a bit snarky or aggressive toward the other guys on Night 1 or something? Maybe it was all the previews with Yosef, which turned out to be all Yosef's fault? Because in the last few episodes, he's been the most chill guy there and I can no longer remember why I'd initially reacted poorly to him. He seems so nice to everyone and so genuinely eager to get in a relationship. 

[Mu Shu]

13 hours ago, JenE4 said:

 

ETA: For Tayshia, Brendan is like the Filet O’ Fish. Who the hell ever orders that? But she’s so starving (for male attention after half a year in pandemic lockdown) that after a couple of bites, she decides that he’s not only adequate but might even order him again. Oh, girl, don’t settle for the Filet O Fish. You got some Shamrock Shakes in there with Ivan, Riley, and Eazy.

Lol. I order the Mc fish. I do. I also have and wear several turtle necks.

I think that guy in the pink golfing jacket is sort of sexy in a buck toothed hick sort of way. I like a guy with a chubby face and big teeth. doubt he’ll stay long. 

Kenny was my dream guy until you mentioned him pinning his hair up. Being a manager of a boy band is great, but managing a cover band or three of a boy band? I’d brag about a man like that. Shame he pins his hair up like Ma Ingalls.

[Kiss my mutt]

Does anyone know how old Clare was when her father died? Who even knows if her parents were that happy? Sure, they fell in love fast, but that doesn’t mean it was this fairytale relationship. Granted I’ve only seen her mom once on the Bachelor but she let others speak for her and seemed very circumspect about sharing her feelings, not that she could get a word in edgewise with everyone in that loud mouth family. 
 

[OnTime]

On 11/10/2020 at 8:23 PM, TiredMe said:

That one new guy Noah is 25! Why would they have cast that guy for Claire? To me that proves this switch was planned all along.

I think the "pre COVID" cast had some guys around that age.  Then they had to wait and got some new older guys.  Is that right??

[GracieK]

Clare is a manipulative narcissist. This whole trope about Dale showing up for her and knowing exactly what she needs is a tactic to make him behave the way she wants and to stay in line. He seems a bit lacking in personality or original thought so Clare probably realizes she can mold him into whatever she wants. And he won’t be able to shake free right away because she has set him up to look like a douchebag if he doesn’t stay and keep showing up for her 🙄

[nutty1]

I’m just watching last night’s episode. Am I the only one who likes Jordan?? And I do really like Bennett, who have thunk?!

Also, remember the good old days of the happy couple being gifted a trip or something at the ATFR?

Edited November 12, 2020 by nutty1

[Arkay]

12 minutes ago, GracieK said:

Clare is a manipulative narcissist. This whole trope about Dale showing up for her and knowing exactly what she needs is a tactic to make him behave the way she wants and to stay in line. He seems a bit lacking in personality or original thought so Clare probably realizes she can mold him into whatever she wants. And he won’t be able to shake free right away because she has set him up to look like a douchebag if he doesn’t stay and keep showing up for her 🙄

I've been wondering a little every time she's talked about Dale being "there for her," not to mention the dreaded "showing up." The examples she's given don't  seem very extraordinary. When Yosef was a jerk to Clare, she turned around and there was Dale and I think he asked her how she was, or something? Held her in his arms, maybe? That just strikes me as the normal thing someone would do if they witnessed something like that. Like anyone---a family member,  a lover, a friend, or a neighbor across the street??? Not quite the proof of destiny Clare imagines it to be. Or even while they've been together and she told Chris that when she was anxious and pacing by the pool, Dale came out and paced with her. Okay, that's sweet. But isn't that sort of just regularly normal, rather than spectacular?

She's always near panic because other men haven't "shown up." Dale's gestures seem so minimal to me that I really wonder about her past (off-camera) relationships. Of course we know nothing about how he truly feels, because we haven't met the Dale who has a free will. At least not when there is no prospect of the spotlight.

 

[plotpointer]

21 minutes ago, Arkay said:

I've been wondering a little every time she's talked about Dale being "there for her," not to mention the dreaded "showing up." The examples she's given don't  seem very extraordinary. When Yosef was a jerk to Clare, she turned around and there was Dale and I think he asked her how she was, or something? Held her in his arms, maybe? That just strikes me as the normal thing someone would do if they witnessed something like that. Like anyone---a family member,  a lover, a friend, or a neighbor across the street??? Not quite the proof of destiny Clare imagines it to be. Or even while they've been together and she told Chris that when she was anxious and pacing by the pool, Dale came out and paced with her. Okay, that's sweet. But isn't that sort of just regularly normal, rather than spectacular?

She's always near panic because other men haven't "shown up." Dale's gestures seem so minimal to me that I really wonder about her past (off-camera) relationships. Of course we know nothing about how he truly feels, because we haven't met the Dale who has a free will. At least not when there is no prospect of the spotlight.

 

In Clare's mind, anything Dale does will be extraordinary, cosmic, destined!  She already has the storyline of her life laid out -- Dale is simply there to fill the plot points.  Clare is very insecure and controlling at the same time, so she needs to be in control of her love story.  Everything Dale has done or will do is already known by Clare.   This has to be real love because it's just how she imagined -- our thoughts are similar, he's feeling everything I'm feeling, he does everything I expect a real man would do, this is so unthinkable that it has to be real.   This is how I see her brain working. 

[DEL901]

28 minutes ago, Arkay said:

Of course we know nothing about how he truly feels, because we haven't met the Dale who has a free will. At least not when there is no prospect of the spotlight.

Once TPTB realized sh was all in for Dale, they both basically got the bums rush.   Dale had less choice than Clare.  She was thrilled when Chris Harrison told her they could skip to the end, but poor Dale.... hey man, she’s sent the other guys home and you get to propose later today.  Talk about being put on the spot.   The only thing worse for Dale was when Chris asked what’s next and she shouted Babies!   (He had better be extra careful about using protection)

[nutty1]

Still watching last night’s episode. Brendan seems like such a normal guy. And kind. He seems like a really nice guy. When does the other shoe drop? There has to be something wrong with him!

[chocolatine]

On 11/10/2020 at 5:15 PM, JenE4 said:

Tayshia travels for work and pleasure and is in the beauty and lifestyle space....so...unemployed social media influencer?

According to her LinkedIn profile, she works as an HR assistant, so it doesn't look like she's making enough as an "influencer" to quit her day job. And I doubt that there has been much travel for her this year.

On 11/10/2020 at 6:50 PM, Ripley68 said:

Okay...that top is the one she was wearing when she was supposedly fretting over Jason in her room.

The editors really messed up there. They wanted to push the narrative of Tayshia being insecure about all the guys after Jason leaves, and then having a turnaround the following day with the Brendan date, but she was wearing the outfit from the evening portion of the date when Jason came to her suite, so she had already built at least one strong connection by that time.

On 11/10/2020 at 6:51 PM, thehepburn said:

I still say that Tay looks like she has a bad picker. Turkeyneck, um, Turtleneck looks like her ex, IIRC.

And they're both roofers. She seems to have a type, but at least she's spending time getting to know some of the other guys.

On 11/10/2020 at 8:14 PM, leocadia said:

Tayshia almost lost me in the first few minutes with her use of "Cheers" as a verb.  ("Cheers me" or whatever she said)  I know that's what the kiddos are saying these days, but it's a personal pet peeve. 

She also said "toast to love" (without "let's") at some point, so in her mind she's switched the usage of the two expressions.

Despite the grammatical faux-pas, I like Tayshia more as the Bachelorette than I had expected, and I hope this episode was the last we've seen of Clare and Dale. 

Edited November 12, 2020 by chocolatine

[Mu Shu]

9 hours ago, GracieK said:

Clare is a manipulative narcissist. This whole trope about Dale showing up for her and knowing exactly what she needs is a tactic to make him behave the way she wants and to stay in line. He seems a bit lacking in personality or original thought so Clare probably realizes she can mold him into whatever she wants. And he won’t be able to shake free right away because she has set him up to look like a douchebag if he doesn’t stay and keep showing up for her 🙄

Yep. Poor Dake thought he was getting a vacation with some fun guys and ended up getting some sex on top of it. Little did he know a proposal would be wrang out of him a few weeks in. Poor dumb thing. 

and why exactly does a 31 yo man have to take care of a 39 yo woman? Wouldn’t you think the younger partner might expect support from an older partner? 
 

 

[GracieK]

Tayshia is fine and a welcome relief from the intensely high strung Clare - but Tayshia does tend to read a little phony. I agree with everyone who says she’s a flirt and mirrors what the guys say. There hasn’t been much substance there but she is playing the game right. Men like to have their egos stroked and she’s good at that. She also seems to have quirky taste. I always felt like the JPJ story line was just for attention but who knows.. maybe she just has a non-traditional type. Makes for interesting viewing trying to figure out what she sees in some of the weirdos she hones in on at the very least. 

Edited November 12, 2020 by GracieK

[OnTime]

15 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Clare saying the exact same "he showed up for me!" thing over and over again just sounded ridiculous, and made it sound, again, like all of this is about her and how Dale can help HER feel better, not about them starting a life together as a couple. Everything she said about their relationship was about how Dale is there for her, that he is there for her, that he makes her feel good, nothing really specific about what she even likes about Dale as a person.

Well, they hadn't left the La Quinta "resort" when the interview was taped with Chris Harrison.

Dale had nowhere else to go so she assumed he "showed up" for her. Hey, he walked around the pool with her! If that isn't showing up, I don't what is.

Going back to the Benoit proposal ( also wearing a short red dress!) she says Benoit always has her back, blah, blah, blah, he is there for her, puts up with her etc.

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by OnTime

[GracieK]

Benoit stuck by her even after she treated him like dirt on Winter Games, pursued her, and they ended up together briefly - he's been great friends with her and supportive ever since even congratulating her and wishing her best of luck on her journey.  Apparently there were even segments filmed with the two of them for this season which ended up on the cutting room floor.  Anyway - Benoit has shown up for her repeatedly.  She has a right to decide that he's not "her person" but spare me the fake news narrative that no one has ever shown up for you... it's insulting to Benoit's gracious friendship throughout her usual histrionics.

[peachmangosteen]

21 hours ago, GracieK said:

Clare is a manipulative narcissist. This whole trope about Dale showing up for her and knowing exactly what she needs is a tactic to make him behave the way she wants and to stay in line. He seems a bit lacking in personality or original thought so Clare probably realizes she can mold him into whatever she wants. And he won’t be able to shake free right away because she has set him up to look like a douchebag if he doesn’t stay and keep showing up for her 🙄

You made points.

20 hours ago, nutty1 said:

Am I the only one who likes Jordan??

Is he the one with the glasses that sorta vaguely looks like Shemar Moore? If so, I like him too.

19 hours ago, nutty1 said:

Brendan seems like such a normal guy. And kind. He seems like a really nice guy. When does the other shoe drop? There has to be something wrong with him!

My thoughts exactly lol.

[StatisticalOutlier]

13 hours ago, nutty1 said:

Also, remember the good old days of the happy couple being gifted a trip or something at the ATFR?

I think that's been replaced by a ride on the social media gravy train. 

 

On 11/10/2020 at 7:50 PM, Ripley68 said:

T has a rockin body - not that Claire didn't, but va va voom.

I saw only the first part of the show, and I spent most of it wanting to hike her breasts up.  They were down near her elbows.  I was imagining all the bra fitters at the Town Shop in NYC screaming at the TV.

[Cornhusker12]

I'm curious if we'll end up getting any more peeks behind the curtain after the season regarding the quarantine/La Quinta part of it all. It SEEMS that there must be some other wing of the resort that is housing other Bachelor Nation people who they are planning to have pop into the season like Deanna(?), Chris & Bri, etc. Production-wise, they NEED to have some kind of way to fluff up these DIY dates in place of all the extras and outsiders who would normally populate a Bachelor season. Maybe they even just put out an open call to any former castmembers who were up for quarantining for two weeks to be able to go stay in the bubble for fun, who knows?

My guess is that Tayshia was already there in that out-of-the-way part of the quarantine resort with other Bachelor Nation people. So when they realized Clare was well on her way to "blowing up the Bachelor" they were lucky/prepared enough to have Tayshia on hand already, and she could slide into being the lead instead of waiting around in the pool with the other Bachelor Nation crew to give Clare advice in episode 10 or whatever.

Again, no inside info at all but that would make sense based on how they've managed to have guests come in and have a replacement ready to step in right away. I think it's a lot less far-fetched than ABC breaking their own quarantine rules or planning for Clare to blow up the show all along. The four limo guys though, I'm not sure. Maybe they didn't make the cut but the show kept them around as alternates in case some of the guys ended up leaving early for their own reasons.

[Bluesky]

15 hours ago, nutty1 said:

I’m just watching last night’s episode. Am I the only one who likes Jordan?? And I do really like Bennett, who have thunk?!

Also, remember the good old days of the happy couple being gifted a trip or something at the ATFR?

Jordan seems normal and appealing, definitely. 
 

I’m mad they haven’t paid any attention to the NYC doctor.  I noticed him because he came out of the car with some cheesy prop and cracked himself up.  He had a genuine laugh which set him apart for me.