S10.E02: About Last Night

[druzy]

Briana returns after a night with Luis. Isaac makes a confession to Kailyn, prompting her to reconsider her custody agreement with Jo. Jade is forced to juggle single-parenthood while preparing for her beauty license exam.

Airs September 8, 2020

[Mkay]

Wonder what Isaac’s proposition was? I’ll have to wait until tomorrow for wayward to post it. 

[Andyourlittledog2]

I wouldn't be surprised if Isaac wanted to stay full time with Jo and get closer to his school and out of the chaos that Kail lives in. More babies, more drama, TV cameras at home. If I was her kid I'd want sanctuary somewhere else full time.

[Caseysgirl]

Isaac and Aubree are heading towards pre adolescence and it’s much more important that you’re around your peers than either one of your parents. He’s probably been left out of school and neighborhood doings because he’s had to go to Jo’s. Also, he and Lincoln seem very close so he might be missing him.  Lincoln, by the way, is the most adorable child on either of these franchises.

[Mr. Miner]

8 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

 Lincoln, by the way, is the most adorable child on either of these franchises

Lux, on the other hand...

Karl is such a hideous beast!

[Evie]

So Isaac doesn't want to go to Jo's because every day is the same and his dad is at work. Welcome to real life, Isaac. That's what it's like with most parents but he wouldn't know that because his mom is Kail. 

Leah being the mature co-parent makes me roll my eyes. Jeremy didn't go rogue at the reunion. He and Leah totally set that up and now she gets to act all innocent and mature. At least Ali got to have Corey at her appointment. 

[Linny]

I watched TM2 last night for the first time in probably a year, and I realized it didn't even matter that I've been gone for so long, these people never change. Briana: still clueless and still making trashy decisions (sex with Luis without a condom? GIRL). Kail: still creating drama with her kid's father like its her job, for no reason at all (a 10 year old needs to see his dad regardless of it being "boring," Kail, stop treating Jo like he's inessential here). Chelsea remains the most stable mom but with a slightly unlikable air of superiority, Leah is doing the best she can with her child's health problems, and Jade REALLY needs to cut out Sean's dead weight before she sinks into disrepair right alongside him. I might keep watching to see how the show covers Kail's pregnancy, but I don't know, man, the whole production continues to feel sad and exploitative of the kids' highly sensitive personal business.

[BrownBear2012]

Thouroughly disgusted with Brianna. Reckless sexual behavior that could result in another pregnancy that she cannot mentally, emotionally, financially and physically handle. What is wrong with this girl? Luis is a pathetic excuse for a man...and don't get me started on her mother and sister. Joking about Brianna's booty call even after learning Luis didn't wear a condom...no outrage or condemnation even though they are caregivers to her other two...without them Brianna would not be able care for them properly. 

Kail's whole life is about fighting or creating drama with her baby daddies. That's all she's got. I kind of get why Issac is not wanting to go his Dad's house. If Jo isn't around much of the time what's the point? It's great Jo is working so much but if Issac is spending more time with Vee and his half sister, it seems counter productive for him. And I can see that a boy his age would be bored with that and want to do one on one stuff with his Dad or go to some places that they could enjoy together. But Jo was never that kind of Dad...ever. He barely came to watch Issac play soccer or attend any of the other activities Issac is involved with. He's mostly unplugged except whe it comes to fighting with Kail for control. The two of them are pieces of work...BTW, why does Kail hate Lauren so much? She's never even talked to her as far we know...is it because Javi had a baby with her? Jealous much Kail? And get Lux's hair cut for crying out loud...

Leah...she seems to be managing the three girls better now than a few seasons ago for sure. She's a better parent as she matures and isn't involved with another man. 

Jade drama with Sean is tiresome. These two should not live together...period. This won't end well.

Chelsea's storyline is boring. Between the faux anxiety and the strip mall clothing line it's just yawn worthy. And now I hear she's having another other baby...more anxiety probably and a maternity line of clothing? Stay tuned!

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Miner]

12 minutes ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Chelsea's storyline is boring. Between the faux anxiety and the strip mall clothing line it's just yawn worthy. And now I hear she's having another other baby...more anxiety probably and a maternity line of clothing? Stay tuned!

Chelsea with the stocking hat, leather jacket and Grateful Dead SYF t-shirt is by far the hippest girl in SD. (eye roll)

[luvbadtv]

15 minutes ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Thouroughly disgusted with Brianna. Reckless sexual behavior that could result in another pregnancy that she cannot mentally, emotionally, financially and physically handle. What is wrong with this girl?

She did say that she was on birth control, so at least there's that.

[BrownBear2012]

7 minutes ago, luvbadtv said:

She did say that she was on birth control, so at least there's that.

I heard that but I noted that it seemed to be news to her mother and sister...you would think they would know about this since they are all up in each other's business. I just don't know if I could trust anything she says.

[Clawdel]

The coven really enjoyed hearing about the booty call. That's the closest the coven will ever come to having anything resembling a sex life. 

[MargeGunderson]

Didn’t Luis already give Brianna a STD? She probably assumes she can’t get another from him. (All of these people are idiots.)

[heatherchandler]

15 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

Isaac and Aubree are heading towards pre adolescence and it’s much more important that you’re around your peers than either one of your parents. He’s probably been left out of school and neighborhood doings because he’s had to go to Jo’s. Also, he and Lincoln seem very close so he might be missing him.  Lincoln, by the way, is the most adorable child on either of these franchises.

At that age, it is important to see your friends, but it is also important to see your Dad.  They should rearrange the times so Isaac can still see his dad, and also see his friends.  She was kind of not awful when talking about it with Isaac, she was somewhat respectful of him.  I will give her that.

Chelsea was of course an asshole about the whole Grandma Donna thing.  Donna wanted to bring Aubree a treat, and Chelsea thinks that is "weird."  WTF is wrong with her?  And she made Aubree call Donna to tell her they are not home.  The lady just wants to see her granddaughter, she isn't stalking you or whatever.  

[Adiba]

17 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

Isaac and Aubree are heading towards pre adolescence and it’s much more important that you’re around your peers than either one of your parents. He’s probably been left out of school and neighborhood doings because he’s had to go to Jo’s. Also, he and Lincoln seem very close so he might be missing him.  Lincoln, by the way, is the most adorable child on either of these franchises.

It’s understandable that kids Isaac’s age want to spend time with friends, but he still needs to see his dad—perhaps something can be worked out as a compromise.

BTW, things would have been much easier had Kail not moved away when Jo moved to her neighborhood to be closer to Isaac.

[Mkay]

4 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Thouroughly disgusted with Brianna. Reckless sexual behavior that could result in another pregnancy that she cannot mentally, emotionally, financially and physically handle. What is wrong with this girl? Luis is a pathetic excuse for a man...and don't get me started on her mother and sister. Joking about Brianna's booty call even after learning Luis didn't wear a condom...no outrage or condemnation even though they are caregivers to her other two...without them Brianna would not be able care for them properly. 

Kail's whole life is about fighting or creating drama with her baby daddies. That's all she's got. I kind of get why Issac is not wanting to go his Dad's house. If Jo isn't around much of the time what's the point? It's great Jo is working so much but if Issac is spending more time with Vee and his half sister, it seems counter productive for him. And I can see that a boy his age would be bored with that and want to do one on one stuff with his Dad or go to some places that they could enjoy together. But Jo was never that kind of Dad...ever. He barely came to watch Issac play soccer or attend any of the other activities Issac is involved with. He's mostly unplugged except whe it comes to fighting with Kail for control. The two of them are pieces of work...BTW, why does Kail hate Lauren so much? She's never even talked to her as far we know...is it because Javi had a baby with her? Jealous much Kail? And get Lux's hair cut for crying out loud...

Leah...she seems to be managing the three girls better now than a few seasons ago for sure. She's a better parent as she matures and isn't involved with another man. 

Jade drama with Sean is tiresome. These two should not live together...period. This won't end well.

Chelsea's storyline is boring. Between the faux anxiety and the strip mall clothing line it's just yawn worthy. And now I hear she's having another other baby...more anxiety probably and a maternity line of clothing? Stay tuned!

 

 

 

 

Back a few yrs ago Javi bought tickets for Disney.  Disney passes are all done on bracelets. He was taking Lauren. Kail steals a Disney bracelet because she doesn’t want Lauren going. (I’m not sure which incident played out first) Javi posted online that he was giving the person who stole his bracelet a certain amount of time to return it Kail did. She left it on his trash can outside.  At some point Kail ends up at Javi’s and goes through his phone. She sees Lauren call her either a tw@t or a c!!t. She hates her forever for that. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Lauren had every right to be mad. I’d have called her the same things. 

[Scarlett45]

6 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Chelsea was of course an asshole about the whole Grandma Donna thing.  Donna wanted to bring Aubree a treat, and Chelsea thinks that is "weird."  WTF is wrong with her?  And she made Aubree call Donna to tell her they are not home.  The lady just wants to see her granddaughter, she isn't stalking you or whatever.  

I haven’t seen the episode yet, so I could be 100% wrong, but Donna gets to see Aubree PLENTY and has a history of not respecting boundaries or rules that Chelsea (and the courts) have laid out around visiting with Aubree. Chelsea has given Donna inches and she’s tried to take miles, so I can see why Chelsea would be annoyed if Donna was going outside of the visitation schedule. 

[BrownBear2012]

3 hours ago, Mkay said:

Back a few yrs ago Javi bought tickets for Disney.  Disney passes are all done on bracelets. He was taking Lauren. Kail steals a Disney bracelet because she doesn’t want Lauren going. (I’m not sure which incident played out first) Javi posted online that he was giving the person who stole his bracelet a certain amount of time to return it Kail did. She left it on his trash can outside.  At some point Kail ends up at Javi’s and goes through his phone. She sees Lauren call her either a tw@t or a c!!t. She hates her forever for that. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Lauren had every right to be mad. I’d have called her the same things. 

I remember that...all of this so 8th grade level shit. Grow up and start adulting.

[alotmorestupider]

I don’t have kids who split time between me and dad but I think Kail is so wrong to keep Isaac from his dad. It’s so unfair to Jo. What if the situation were reversed and Isaac didn’t want to spend time with Kail? Would she just be ok with not seeing him? I would be absolutely devastated. But I guess kids should have some say over where they spend their time. I don’t know. 
 

It’s nice to see Jade work towards an employable skill. She’s lived through so much dysfunction and I’m definitely rooting for her to break the cycle. I notice a lot of little questionable things like Kloie going to bed with a bottle, drinking a bright red liquid and watching a show while eating. Still, she really seems like she’s trying so props for that. 
 

Brianna and her family laughing about her hookup was disgusting. I feel like paternal abandonment is so normalized in that family. It’s absolutely APPALLING how indifferent Luis is to his daughter and I would never, ever be able to find a deadbeat sexually attractive. I don’t know how she can cry for her daughters lack of a father then hop into bed with that man. Everyone in her life acts like she’s a high schooler hilariously hooking up with an ex. Tee hee! Bad choices lol! She is a mother of two for God’s sake. Grow the fuck up. 

[ellenr33]

See I think Jade really tries to be a good mom and loves her daughter. I think 90% of the people that Jade is around suck. She would be so much better if she didn't keep trying to make a relationship work with Sean and just attempted to co parent with him. Was I the only one that wasn't shocked that she hangs out with someone who would name her baby Shakkur? 

For someone who has such generally likable kids Kail sucks! Isaac and Lincoln are hands down my favorite kids in these shows though little Ryder from Teen Mom OG is definitely a favorite! And that is real life Kail sometimes people have to work to be able to afford their bills not everyone gets paid to keep getting pregnant by someone who DOESN'T care about you at all.

Brianna quit being so damn thirsty. Luis doesn't give too shits about Stella and if he did he would try to develop a relationship with her. He sees you as someone he can come around whenever and benefit from financially and sexually. 

Leah girl I am proud of your growth. Years ago I didn't think you'd be the one who I see as the most rational, 

And can we quit with the story lines about Chelsea and just watch Watson and Layne do cute things throughout the episode? 

[Andyourlittledog2]

I realize I must be old but when did it become the thing that kids have to be entertained by their parents all the time? Isaac complained that they didn't do anything 'special', they just lived normally which was 'boring'.  Welcome to the world, kid.  That's what life in an actual normal household is -- you're old enough to entertain yourself, you are not two years old.  End rant.

Jade: I love Jade. She tries with all her heart and is surrounded by the worst people.  The definition of 'raised by wolves'.  My fear is that Kloie will grow up the same way because as hard as Jade tries the cycle is not being broken here. I am rooting for her though.

Kail: For a woman who is trying hard to attract a man she doesn't seem to put any effort whatsoever into her appearance. She always looks like she just rolled out of a haystack somewhere.  Her kids are great (my quibble with the Isaac complaint this week notwithstanding) but she is awful.

Chelsea: I can see that Cole is thoroughly fed up with Chelsea's 'anxiety' fixation and would like to just move the hell on and live life with a fully functioning grown ass woman. I don't think that will ever happen. The kids are amazing though. Love them.  Although I know Donna has pushed boundaries I do think Chelsea was kind of bitchy talking about the treats situation. She was dropping off some treats that were going wasted due to a change in visitation, not trying to whisk Aubree away for the weekend. I think Chelsea overreacted.

Leah: Jeremy is an asshole.  WVA is an at will state and Corey has a nine to five job - he is probably very tightly controlled on taking time off.  I've seen people fired for having to leave work to race to the hospital when called that their kid was in an accident. At any rate, it is absolutely none of Jeremy's business and he needs to shut up about it. I thought Leah handled it well. She seemed more like a grown up this episode.

Brianna:  The girl ain't right.

[Snarky McSnarky]

806,000 viewers last week.  693,000 this episode. 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-tuesday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-8-2020.html

[Snarky McSnarky]

On 9/9/2020 at 12:58 PM, heatherchandler said:

Chelsea was of course an asshole about the whole Grandma Donna thing.  Donna wanted to bring Aubree a treat, and Chelsea thinks that is "weird."  WTF is wrong with her?  And she made Aubree call Donna to tell her they are not home.  The lady just wants to see her granddaughter, she isn't stalking you or whatever.  

Found on Reddit:  Inside Chelsea's head when Donna wanted to bring Aubree cookies.

[Bluesky]

On 9/9/2020 at 9:46 PM, Scarlett45 said:

I haven’t seen the episode yet, so I could be 100% wrong, but Donna gets to see Aubree PLENTY and has a history of not respecting boundaries or rules that Chelsea (and the courts) have laid out around visiting with Aubree. Chelsea has given Donna inches and she’s tried to take miles, so I can see why Chelsea would be annoyed if Donna was going outside of the visitation schedule. 

Chelsea is just trying to have a storyline.  Big deal, the grandmother wants to bring something over.  She’s not asking to take her on a trip to Europe.  

[Scarlett45]

Just now, Bluesky said:

Chelsea is just trying to have a storyline.  Big deal, the grandmother wants to bring something over.  She’s not asking to take her on a trip to Europe.  

Word. 

[ilovebeaarthur]

6 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

 

I realize I must be old but when did it become the thing that kids have to be entertained by their parents all the time? Isaac complained that they didn't do anything 'special', they just lived normally which was 'boring'.  Welcome to the world, kid.  That's what life in an actual normal household is -- you're old enough to entertain yourself, you are not two years old.  End rant.

 

I’m the parent of a toddler, and you’d be surprised at how many people feel the need to entertain their kids 24/7. A whole generation of kids is being raised to not know how to occupy boredom, and I refused to raise a child like that. 

[geauxaway]

2 hours ago, Bluesky said:

Chelsea is just trying to have a storyline.  Big deal, the grandmother wants to bring something over.  She’s not asking to take her on a trip to Europe.  

Oh so Grandma Donna isn’t  Emily Gilmore?  You don’t say!

2 hours ago, Bluesky said:

Chelsea is just trying to have a storyline.  Big deal, the grandmother wants to bring something over.  She’s not asking to take her on a trip to Europe.  

Chelsea and COLE are trying to have a paycheck for a household of 6.

[geauxaway]

ok.  I have not watched this show in years but I read y’all comments.  In the meantime I have been watching Laguna Beach from the start (again).  The LB “kids” graduated in 2004-2005.  So not toooo much before these jack holes.  But OMG.  The difference between these TM divas and the Laguna / Hills girls is like WOW.  The LB girls for the most part have made a life for themselves and have matured and moved on.  Like take a note.  

[Tatum]

6 hours ago, geauxaway said:

ok.  I have not watched this show in years but I read y’all comments.  In the meantime I have been watching Laguna Beach from the start (again).  The LB “kids” graduated in 2004-2005.  So not toooo much before these jack holes.  But OMG.  The difference between these TM divas and the Laguna / Hills girls is like WOW.  The LB girls for the most part have made a life for themselves and have matured and moved on.  Like take a note.  

These girls are stunted at 17, and if they haven't gotten their shit together by now, on the cusp of 30, they probably won't ever. Especially once the TM checks stop coming in.

 

That said, not sure it's very fair to compare them to the Laguna kids. For the most part, those kids came from functional, well off families where going to college is expected, and lawyers, financial planners, therapists, and other licenses professionals are trusted and utilized, not shunned for being uppity shysters out to take your money. Their parents mostly modeled adult behavior such as holding down a job and paying bills on time. Yes, the TM women are old enough to not be able to blame their childhood for every misstep they make, but I think for at least a few of them, growing up in a different household might have shaped them to be much better adults than what they are now.

[geauxaway]

15 minutes ago, Tatum said:

These girls are stunted at 17, and if they haven't gotten their shit together by now, on the cusp of 30, they probably won't ever. Especially once the TM checks stop coming in.

 

That said, not sure it's very fair to compare them to the Laguna kids. For the most part, those kids came from functional, well off families where going to college is expected, and lawyers, financial planners, therapists, and other licenses professionals are trusted and utilized, not shunned for being uppity shysters out to take your money. Their parents mostly modeled adult behavior such as holding down a job and paying bills on time. Yes, the TM women are old enough to not be able to blame their childhood for every misstep they make, but I think for at least a few of them, growing up in a different household might have shaped them to be much better adults than what they are now.

of course, but they all have taken part of a reality show and some were able to move on in life and these girls clearly are not capable of that.  And there is plenty of LB kids who struggled with addictions and whatnot and have still come out the other side and not banked their entire existence in reality TV (except maybe Heidi and Spencer). These girls on TM are all 100% dependent on this show continuing.  None of them have prepared themselves for the real world, and in turn are not preparing their kids (see Isaac who thinks is “boring” or whatever that his dad goes to work).    Again, just an observation from someone viewing 2 separate reality shows about teens who are now adults

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, geauxaway said:

of course, but they all have taken part of a reality show and some were able to move on in life and these girls clearly are not capable of that.  And there is plenty of LB kids who struggled with addictions and whatnot and have still come out the other side and not banked their entire existence in reality TV (except maybe Heidi and Spencer). These girls on TM are all 100% dependent on this show continuing.  None of them have prepared themselves for the real world, and in turn are not preparing their kids (see Isaac who thinks is “boring” or whatever that his dad goes to work).    Again, just an observation from someone viewing 2 separate reality shows about teens who are now adults

But it really is two separate situations. Their appearance on Laguna was a footnote in their teen years- this show has been the constant for 10 years for the TM girls. The Laguna kids were not offered another season beyond the first two years, and the money MTV offered them would have likely been a drop in the bucket to what their parents could give them anyways, so no real incentive to keep filming anyways. The fact is, the Laguna kids had opportunities far beyond what most of the TM girls could have ever imagined in their early adulthood. While the TM girls have become emotionally and financially dependent on this show, for most of them...they didn't have the resources the Laguna kids did, mainly money and functional parents who could steer them properly.

 

Also, I would not say Jason from Laguna (the most notorious substance abuser from the show) has come out on the other side. He still regularly relapses and I don't believe he's ever held a steady job, and just lives off his family's money, if The Hills reboot is any indication.

 

ETA:  I do think most of the secondary characters have gone on to lead very successful lives (Jen Bunney is evidently some corporate bigwig in LA), but...these were smart kids from well off families who emphasized education and networking. They were always going to be successful kids. With the exception of Maci and Chelsea, the TM girls were largely from poor families and parents who were substance abusers themselves, or had mental health issues. It would never have occurred to any of their parents to make them see a lawyer or financial planner or consider the long term effects of D list fame on teenagers- the parents saw the dollar signs as much as the kids did.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Tatum

[geauxaway]

6 minutes ago, Tatum said:

But it really is two separate situations. Their appearance on Laguna was a footnote in their teen years- this show has been the constant for 10 years for the TM girls. The Laguna kids were not offered another season beyond the first two years, and the money MTV offered them would have likely been a drop in the bucket to what their parents could give them anyways, so no real incentive to keep filming anyways. The fact is, the Laguna kids had opportunities far beyond what most of the TM girls could have ever imagined in their early adulthood. While the TM girls have become emotionally and financially dependent on this show, for most of them...they didn't have the resources the Laguna kids did, mainly money and functional parents who could steer them properly.

 

Also, I would not say Jason from Laguna (the most notorious substance abuser from the show) has come out on the other side. He still regularly relapses and I don't believe he's ever held a steady job, and just lives off his family's money, if The Hills reboot is any indication.

Fair enough.  I’m just seeing things broadly, and it’s just something that crossed my mind while laying in bed watching old eps of LB. I don’t watch TM anymore because I can’t deal with these girls who continuously breed and live the high life while damaging their kids.  Needless to say, I should probably get off from posting on here and focus on my job LOL.  🤣😉.  Happy FriYAY YALL!!!

[JBC344]

I'm really surprised at Kail!! Despite her lapses in judgement when it comes to relationships she "usually" is pretty fair and rational when it comes to her kid's issues.

Isaac having an issue feeling bored at Joe's house is not a reason to alter a custody agreement. Kail very easily recognizes that Isaac is a sensitive kid and has trouble talking to Joe under the guise he may hurt his dad's feelings. Hey Kail why don't you actually help the situation and have a conversation with Joe about what is going on, explain to him how Isaac is missing him while he works and can probably use a little one on one time with Joe. While your at it you should sit Isaac down and explain to him the different dynamics in the households to make Isaac understand and feel better about Joe having to work. 

The fact that her response to this situation was to alter their agreement or not make Isaac go in the future was absurd. Yes, Isaac is getting older and custody agreements need to be flexible but boredom is not an excuse.

Also, wasn't Kail dealing with this issue a few years ago when she was terrified that Isaac would prefer Joe's house because of all his extended family and normalcy he provided? My how the tables have turned. 

[DangerousMinds]

If Jo is not able to spend time with Isaac while he is there, I don’t blame them for wanting to reevaluate custody. No point in him being there if his father is not .

[For Cereals]

Hoping Leah and Corey will listen to the advice about the power chair, though they never seem to.

What happened with the new house for the coven?  Weren’t they supposed to be moving last season?  Briana’s still an idiot.  Stella is how old now?  Briana and Luis have the same conversation every time.  Nothing has changed.  ITA with upthread that there’s no way I could have sex with my kid’s deadbeat dad who also gave me an STD.

[teapot]

13 hours ago, JBC344 said:

 

While your at it you should sit Isaac down and explain to him the different dynamics in the households to make Isaac understand and feel better about Joe having to work. 

 

I for one was just glad that Jo finally got himself a *job*!!!

[Scarlett45]

On 9/11/2020 at 10:34 AM, JBC344 said:

I'm really surprised at Kail!! Despite her lapses in judgement when it comes to relationships she "usually" is pretty fair and rational when it comes to her kid's issues.

Isaac having an issue feeling bored at Joe's house is not a reason to alter a custody agreement. Kail very easily recognizes that Isaac is a sensitive kid and has trouble talking to Joe under the guise he may hurt his dad's feelings. Hey Kail why don't you actually help the situation and have a conversation with Joe about what is going on, explain to him how Isaac is missing him while he works and can probably use a little one on one time with Joe. While your at it you should sit Isaac down and explain to him the different dynamics in the households to make Isaac understand and feel better about Joe having to work. 

The fact that her response to this situation was to alter their agreement or not make Isaac go in the future was absurd. Yes, Isaac is getting older and custody agreements need to be flexible but boredom is not an excuse.

Also, wasn't Kail dealing with this issue a few years ago when she was terrified that Isaac would prefer Joe's house because of all his extended family and normalcy he provided? My how the tables have turned. 

You know what I also think it is?

Issac is big enough now to help Kailyn with a lot of childcare tasks- he's 10. She can turn him into a caregiver to help her with the little ones AND keep her company given Lux and the baby (that’s coming shortly) can’t talk back. 
 

Now I don’t think Kailyn would run off and leave Issac to do all the cooking and cleaning and midnight feedings- (she does hire people for that), but that woman is LONELY, she’s looking for a buddy. And guess who’s getting big enough to have an actual conversation and be a buddy and will always love her because she gave him life. And who’s got a predisposition to empathetic and sensitive.....

(small voice) Issac. 

[zenme]

Aside from the fact that Luis is completely unattractive, he is a horrible father to Stella, and like many of you, I agree, sex with that man would be the LAST thing on my mind, drunk or not. Birth control or not, if he’s given her an STD in the past,  I’d make sure he’d have worn a condom. 
These girls get on my nerves. I’m so bored of Chelsea’s storyline, which is non-existent. She and milquetoast Whatisface, and their legion of Randy clones, are so boring that they almost serve as melatonin for me.  I fall asleep and then awaken to a shrieking Jade.

[heatherchandler]

On 9/11/2020 at 10:34 AM, JBC344 said:

I'm really surprised at Kail!! Despite her lapses in judgement when it comes to relationships she "usually" is pretty fair and rational when it comes to her kid's issues.

Isaac having an issue feeling bored at Joe's house is not a reason to alter a custody agreement. Kail very easily recognizes that Isaac is a sensitive kid and has trouble talking to Joe under the guise he may hurt his dad's feelings. Hey Kail why don't you actually help the situation and have a conversation with Joe about what is going on, explain to him how Isaac is missing him while he works and can probably use a little one on one time with Joe. While your at it you should sit Isaac down and explain to him the different dynamics in the households to make Isaac understand and feel better about Joe having to work. 

The fact that her response to this situation was to alter their agreement or not make Isaac go in the future was absurd. Yes, Isaac is getting older and custody agreements need to be flexible but boredom is not an excuse.

Also, wasn't Kail dealing with this issue a few years ago when she was terrified that Isaac would prefer Joe's house because of all his extended family and normalcy he provided? My how the tables have turned. 

I bet Isaac mentioned one time that he was bored over the weekend at Jo's.  She of course needs a storyline, so she is making the comments of a 10 year old into a fight!  This enrages me.

She should say, yeah sometimes life is boring.  And that's the end of that conversation.  Kids do not dictate the plans.  If there is something like a birthday party for a friend, or sleepover he would like to go to here or there, yeah, make arrangements for that, but you don't change this kid's whole life.  Does she not know that upheaval and changing schedules is not great for kids??  They thrive on consistency.  

 

On 9/12/2020 at 12:28 PM, Scarlett45 said:

You know what I also think it is?

Issac is big enough now to help Kailyn with a lot of childcare tasks- he's 10. She can turn him into a caregiver to help her with the little ones AND keep her company given Lux and the baby (that’s coming shortly) can’t talk back. 
 

Now I don’t think Kailyn would run off and leave Issac to do all the cooking and cleaning and midnight feedings- (she does hire people for that), but that woman is LONELY, she’s looking for a buddy. And guess who’s getting big enough to have an actual conversation and be a buddy and will always love her because she gave him life. And who’s got a predisposition to empathetic and sensitive.....

(small voice) Issac. 

I think this may be part of it, she needs Isaac around for the little kids, and to be her buddy.  She has lost all of her friends.  

[FozzyBear]

I’ve always had the unpopular opinion of being less than impressed by Joe and Vee, but this is some bullshit. Raise your hand if you think Kail would think Issac is old enough to decide where he wants to spend time if Issac wanted to spend less time with Kail? Nobody? Yeah, I don’t think so either. And what is this happiness nonsense? He’s bored because his father’s house isn’t Disneyland? Who. The. Fuck. Cares. That’s about the time my mom would tell me to go do some yard work if I was so bored. My parents were 100x the parents of any of these fools and 100x less concerned with my “happiness.” They knew a whiny brat moment when they saw one. Issac wasn’t talking about abuse or neglect or even tension. He just wasn’t being entertained. Kail doesn’t want to go back to court because she would lose, not because she’s maturing.
 

[jumper sage]

On 9/9/2020 at 3:58 PM, heatherchandler said:

she made Aubree call Donna to tell her they are not home. 

Aubree should not be told to call her grandmother with bad news.

[Jax7917]

Unfortunately , toddlers do have to be entertained pretty much all the time which is why I’m scared to have one in a few short months .. but a 10 year old ? No . By that time they should be ok with a little boredom and entertain themselves with whatever hobbies they have . Oh and he’s of age to do some chores too . 
I was laughing though about the fact that Isaac was surprised by having a parent that has to actually work to make money . He’s used to his mom who makes hundreds of thousands for sitting on her butt , cursing out cameras and her 3-4 baby daddies . 

[Court]

This infuriated me. I have my kids 24/7. Their Dad when they saw him was the typical Disneyland Dad. He's seen them once for a whopping 3 days in 2 years. Of course when he did, it was an effing adventure. Hotel, aquarium, shopping, gifts, arcades, etc.

There are times my kids complain I'm boring, all I do is make them clean, I don't pay attention to them and I'm on my phone. I work 2 jobs and a lot of the phone is that. They do say Dad is fun and I'm not. Well, no shit. Maybe if their Dad didn't own me thousands of dollars in child support, I could be fun too. 

Kail takes her kids on vacations every day or leaves them with friends so of course it's fun. Stability is important and she doesn't provide that as far as I'm concerned.