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23 minutes ago, Kira53 said:

No evidence that Brandon worked there. 

I think it was one of Brandon's accounts, which Taylor knew - she said something that indicated as much on the show. Brandon sells beer for a living so he does business in bars. I think it's reasonable to assume that Taylor knew the place was one of Brandon's accounts. I'd bet the rest of the cast could name one of Brandon's accounts too; that's small talk. "Oh, you live near [Bar]? That's one of my accounts, I'm in there all the time."

Brandon and Taylor had that in common - one of Taylor's side jobs is as a liquor ambassador, which means she promotes whatever brand of liquor she represents at events. I think it's safe to assume they've had conversations about which bars they like and have worked with. 

27 minutes ago, Kira53 said:

Production would have no reason to not have Brandon tell his side on Zoom.  You know Brandon was rarely cooperative.  He may have made some outrageous demands regarding the interview conditions.  

Unless they were being punitive. If it was at all important to the show to have Brandon tell his story, they'd have had Brandon tell his story. Even if Brandon was a dick about it (which, probably), it would be the last time the show had to deal with him. I think it's probably Occam's Razor - they just didn't want him there/involved, so he wasn't.

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I wished Austin had cut his hair for the reunion. That is one reason I don't watch Unfiltered because I don't want to see them looking different.

But he has now cut his hair and looks fantastic!

 

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15 minutes ago, OnTime said:

I wished Austin had cut his hair for the reunion. That is one reason I don't watch Unfiltered because I don't want to see them looking different.

But he has now cut his hair and looks fantastic!

 

He looks MUCH better. More adult.

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17 minutes ago, OnTime said:

I wished Austin had cut his hair for the reunion. That is one reason I don't watch Unfiltered because I don't want to see them looking different.

But he has now cut his hair and looks fantastic!

 

hmmmmm 🤔........but there are no barbers out there right now....

He looks great!

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53 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

Unless they were being punitive. If it was at all important to the show to have Brandon tell his story, they'd have had Brandon tell his story. Even if Brandon was a dick about it (which, probably), it would be the last time the show had to deal with him. I think it's probably Occam's Razor - they just didn't want him there/involved, so he wasn't.

I think you're probably right, and I don't blame them for not wanting him.  But I could totally see him agreeing to join on Zoom and then refusing to be contacted when it was time, chuckling into his red Solo cup about the lesson he was teaching them 😈

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4 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Katie cheated on Derek with the Ex right after the honeymoon & told some cast members about it

This has been bothering me since Derek said it last night.  For one thing I just cannot believe (guess I am that naïve) that Katie would cheat with her Ex right after the honeymoon. I mean when would she have had the time with the intrusive cameras documenting everything?  Also, she seemed pretty hot for Derek from wedding day on; she definitely found him attractive and they were quick to consummate the marriage. They seemed to be getting along very well on the honeymoon, so what would have ever possessed her to cheat with the ex? Lastly, why would she be so stupid to confess the cheating to her fellow cast members?

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1 hour ago, Kira53 said:

No evidence that Brandon worked there.  This was not a love marriage - why should Brandon go after her?  They knew each other 8 weeks.  He rejected her. Why is he so angry?  You do know that abusive men commonly accuse their women of attacking them and they are both hauled into court?  The police are not supposed to make a decision who is in the wrong, they just arrest everybody. And they are usually our counter accusations especially by men. Abusive women do it as well, there's just less physically abusive women.

 

Wasn't it established Brandon did work there?  I mean, that was mentioned and Taylor didn't dispute it.  Regardless, I'm not taking Brandon's side.  I think he's definitely abusive, at least verbally.  But Taylor is no prize and she's setting herself out as some innocent victim.  If she did indeed stumble in there and find Brandon by accident, leave!  She didn't say anything like I had no idea he was there, etc., she defended her decision to go there as she had been there before, so.   That tells me she knew full well that Brandon either might be there or was there.  

And she can defend her Insta video all she wants with excuses like Brandon didn't follow her and neither did his friends but she knew that video would get back to him and that's why she did it.  She's immature, he's immature and neither of them should be in any relationship, much less with each other. 

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7 minutes ago, ECM1231 said:

This has been bothering me since Derek said it last night.  For one thing I just cannot believe (guess I am that naïve) that Katie would cheat with her Ex right after the honeymoon. I mean when would she have had the time with the intrusive cameras documenting everything?  Also, she seemed pretty hot for Derek from wedding day on; she definitely found him attractive and they were quick to consummate the marriage. They seemed to be getting along very well on the honeymoon, so what would have ever possessed her to cheat with the ex? Lastly, why would she be so stupid to confess the cheating to her fellow cast members?

Here's what I'm thinking...I don't remember exactly when Derek said he wasn't going to be able to fall in love with her for 6 months to a year, but it was pretty early on. I think that ticked her off, and we already knew in the back of her mind that she still was thinking about her ex. She had talked about him a lot prior to the wedding, and she brought it up at the bachelorette party to the other women. So, I think if her ex had contacted her (or maybe she contacted him), and he was still begging her to come back and/or telling her "I love you", she may have thought the hell with it, and hooked up with him. I think they usually do have a day or so after coming back from the honeymoons before they move into their new apartments, so she may well have gone to see him then. And I can totally see her bragging about it to the other women, just to prove how hot she is, and how much of a dork/loser Derek is (her words, not mine). Side note - she is out on social media, doubling down about how it wasn't cheating because she didn't get to pick her marriage partner, and they weren't in love, so yeah, she had every right to.

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1 minute ago, psychoticstate said:

Wasn't it established Brandon did work there?  I mean, that was mentioned and Taylor didn't dispute it.  Regardless, I'm not taking Brandon's side.  I think he's definitely abusive, at least verbally.  But Taylor is no prize and she's setting herself out as some innocent victim.  If she did indeed stumble in there and find Brandon by accident, leave!  She didn't say anything like I had no idea he was there, etc., she defended her decision to go there as she had been there before, so.   That tells me she knew full well that Brandon either might be there or was there.  

And she can defend her Insta video all she wants with excuses like Brandon didn't follow her and neither did his friends but she knew that video would get back to him and that's why she did it.  She's immature, he's immature and neither of them should be in any relationship, much less with each other. 

Brandon didn't work in a bar during the marriage.  If he was working in a bar months later, it was a new job after losing his beer ambassador job.   I'm open to anyone that actually has additional information about his work status.

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Austin's hair looks great...it makes me realize how much those two look a like. Maybe its only 1 out of 10 that really work out but this couple and several have really worked out great. I agree with Austin watching other people have melt downs or high anxiety drama is very distasteful (although obviously we enjoy it on TV with people we have no real connection with). I expect to see them on the couples couch again.

They should have all the really successful couples fill out a 500 question personality profile in which they're no right or wrong answers just a profile is created of the kind of person who does well marrying at first sight.

Mindy, Meka and Derek were the right kind they just got stuck with a jerk, a liar and a tart who thinks her excrement don't stink. If they do a Married at first sight second chances Mindy and Derek deserve a shot. 

I seriously doubt Brandon or Taylor will enjoy a long lasting marriage obviously between each other or anyone else. I still nominate Brandon as the biggest jack-ass of the bunch.

I've become a bit more sympathetic to Zach he did come in and take the heat. He still had fun with the other couples. If he did it for some kind of marketing that was a major fail. Its marriage at first sight not guarantee happy marriage at first sight. He was a jerk for cavorting with another loser (Lindsay) but if he wasn't attracted to Mindy I can't imagine he found Lindsay to be appealing. She's below par frankly.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Kira53 said:

It support the idea that Brandon did not  like her from first sight.  Nothing else he would know on the first day.

 

True.  We can pull back to a level of we don't know, but he's been peeved not just "not attracted" from early on.  Other theories are that he didn't like her look, knew her from his industry, knew her as a SM famewhore (again, possibly from being in his industry, in DC).   Possibly he was checked out by the time they hit the honeymoon.  I'm going with he found out at the reception  Things happen, people have loose lips.   Last season Keith was told Iris was a virgin at the reception.  

I hope some reality site puts up more news of court records or others' accounts that would clarify.  🙂

 

 

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2 hours ago, Blissfool said:

Michael walked away when the show was about to go to commercial. I'm sure he thought it was a good time to walk away, cool off, and be back as soon as said commercial ended. However, shitty production thought, "oh, he's walking away. Keep filming!"

(I realize that this is not a live show and commercial breaks are not real, but they still get "breaks" to freshen up make-up and such. The show was about to cut for one of these "breaks" when Michael walked away.)

I'm glad you brought this up, because that is my understanding too.  A lot of posters seem to refer to it as Michael running away when the heat brought on by Kevin was too much for him.

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1 hour ago, gonecrackers said:

This is a point, as well as he may have just declined to be filmed, so there's that. But whatever the case, if I couldn't hear both sides I would've rather not have been subjected to Taylor's rambling tale & the juvenile gang up session.

yeah, I am pretty sure we did not hear an accurate account of what went down because Taylor lies almost as much as Michael.

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1.I don't believe Taylor entirely and what a coincidence that he "used to work there" but was there the night she shows up w/ a date. Maybe she posted her location and lunatic Brandon showed up to stalk and harass. They're both silly so who cares. Also, it sounds like he's a bartender and not a beer rep.

2.Meka needs to cover that bird chest and bratty Katie is just not attractive. Good riddance brat.

3.Mindy loves forgiving people. Whatever.

4.Michael scared me more than usual last night. He just stares off like the psycho he is and I would have been afraid to sit next to him. He's a ticking time bomb....

5. Zach looks super goofy in glasses and Austin needs a haircut.

6. I was expecting more but glad Kevin called out Katie and told crazy Mike he does not look like an instructor.

7. Is that Taylor's only wig? Geesh girl.

 

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50 minutes ago, topanga said:
56 minutes ago, gingerandcloves said:

Side note - she is out on social media, doubling down about how it wasn't cheating because she didn't get to pick her marriage partner, and they weren't in love, so yeah, she had every right to.

I thought I heard someone say that these were legally-binding marriages. I could be wrong, though. 

This really gives us some insight into just how not committed Katie was to the process. She kept calling Derek fake, when clearly she never even considered it to be a real marriage. I am so, so glad he got away from her.

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1 hour ago, gingerandcloves said:

Side note - she is out on social media, doubling down about how it wasn't cheating because she didn't get to pick her marriage partner, and they weren't in love, so yeah, she had every right to.

Bitch ... (her, not you, @gingerandcloves)

I mean, leaving aside the fact that she knowingly and intentionally went on a show in which the entire premise was that she would not get to pick her marriage partner and she would marry him anyway, with all that entails, she herself called the cheating "a slip-up," which indicates that she knows it was something she wasn't supposed to do.

And I'm someone who tends to take a more "it's gray" view of cheating. I don't think it's right or something we should aspire to, but there are instances in which I can understand how or why it happened. Katie's isn't one of them. It's one of the clearest cases of "why didn't you just break up with him?" that I can think of. (I liked when Derek asked her that point-blank.)

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3 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

We're not talking about court behavior here for him, & we don't know what went on behind the scenes, only what they've showed us of Brandon. If they felt threatened by Brandon, I doubt he would've lasted the whole season. He wanted off anyway, so they probably would've gladly bumped him, except then Taylor would've lost her 15m of 'fame'.

And just to clarify, I'm not condoning any of his behavior, & I do think he's toxic as well as Taylor, just in different ways. I'm only saying both sides should've been heard, & will add as a long time viewer I also wanted that & wasn't given that opportunity.

I was just talking about court because you mentioned the judicial system and how you guessed those principles "didn't apply to reality TV." I was saying that I don't think he'd have been listened to by the judicial system, either, if he'd acted that way in that setting.

You don't have an inherent right to tell your side if you make people's workplaces uncomfortable and even unsafe. I did wish as the viewer that I had his story, but he chose to forfeit that right, in my mind--not the producers. So yeah, I do wish I'd heard what he'd had to say, but imo he chose not to do so by acting the way he did. 

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12 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

Bitch ... (her, not you, @gingerandcloves)

I mean, leaving aside the fact that she knowingly and intentionally went on a show in which the entire premise was that she would not get to pick her marriage partner and she would marry him anyway, with all that entails, she herself called the cheating "a slip-up," which indicates that she knows it was something she wasn't supposed to do.

And I'm someone who tends to take a more "it's gray" view of cheating. I don't think it's right or something we should aspire to, but there are instances in which I can understand how or why it happened. Katie's isn't one of them. It's one of the clearest cases of "why didn't you just break up with him?" that I can think of. (I liked when Derek asked her that point-blank.)

or at least say no on decision day

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1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:
 A lot of posters seem to refer to it as Michael running away when the heat brought on by Kevin was too much for him.

Well, IMO, that's exactly what he did (even if it was a scheduled break).  He stormed away cursing, went into a dressing room, and then whined like a baby at having to "answer for Brandon".

Michael was not "forced" to speak for Brandon.  The truth is, Michael was angry when he felt that Brandon was being attacked, so he spoke out to defend him. pathetically attempting to draw parallels between Brandon's childish behavior, and the behavior of his students.  This was Michael's choice.  He could have easily just said "I have nothing to add", but instead, he chose to engage.

It seems strange that he was significantly more upset about this than he was about being called a liar numerous times on national television.

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18 hours ago, princelina said:

Still watching - has there ever been a more insufferable smug douchebag than Zach?  I don't know why anyone would go on this show for fame or "publicity" but I believe it with him - when they go to show a series of clips of him being an ass, his face just lights up to watch it!  I noticed it on Jamie O's show too.  And if he's reading this I would like to say this:  If you don't want to wear socks, you need to buy some other shoes asshole.  I noticed that on Jamie O's show too.

Yesss!  Took the words right out of my mouth.  He just beamed during his clips; he has the most inappropriate facial expressions.  Most of the time he just looks slow-witted.  No, Zach, the glasses do not make you look or seem smarter.  Get a clue:  boots without socks - not a good look.  Plus, you really annoyed me by putting your arm on the back of the love seat, making it appear that your arm was almost around Mindy.  

Taylor, the HAIR - please stop!

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1 hour ago, karenbrady said:

 

7. Is that Taylor's only wig? Geesh girl.

 

I started following her on Instagram just out of curiosity. The wig has been in existence since 2018. It's safe to say it's not leaving anytime soon.

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2 hours ago, ECM1231 said:

This has been bothering me since Derek said it last night.  For one thing I just cannot believe (guess I am that naïve) that Katie would cheat with her Ex right after the honeymoon. I mean when would she have had the time with the intrusive cameras documenting everything?  Also, she seemed pretty hot for Derek from wedding day on; she definitely found him attractive and they were quick to consummate the marriage. They seemed to be getting along very well on the honeymoon, so what would have ever possessed her to cheat with the ex? Lastly, why would she be so stupid to confess the cheating to her fellow cast members?

She turned cold almost as soon as they got back home. Derek was farting and announcing his need to take a dump and she was annoyed as hell. Now we know the real reason is she’d just had a bootycall with the ex.

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1 hour ago, essexjan said:

I actually loved his curly locks.

I like the shorter hair cut, I think it makes him look more mature. I wouldn't have minded the longer hair, but it always looked stringy and full of product, and he was constantly pushing it out of his face. 

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1 hour ago, Kira53 said:

Brandon didn't work in a bar during the marriage.  If he was working in a bar months later, it was a new job after losing his beer ambassador job.   I'm open to anyone that actually has additional information about his work status.

 

2 hours ago, Kira53 said:

Brandon didn't work in a bar during the marriage.  If he was working in a bar months later, it was a new job after losing his beer ambassador job.   I'm open to anyone that actually has additional information about his work status.

Agree. They are both so immature. In that regard they were a perfect match.

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Someone said it above and I agree.  Katie was hot to trot for Derek on the honeymoon and came home trying to sabotage it from there on out.  Derek was in a competition with the ex, only he didn't know it.  That's why she kept saying he wasn't trying to "win" her.  Like she's some prize.  *eye roll*

Meka is still trying to look like Taylor.  

I don't care what happened, Taylor would not have been arrested had she been completely innocent.  Brandon was right - she is totally narcissist and can't own up to her crap. 

Proud of Derek for calling Katie out and not taking her bullcrap anymore. 

Best season finale EVER!  

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7 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Even IF Derek was the "predator," both Lindsay and Katie are grown women, capable of refusal.

But now I don't know that Zach was necessarily the instigator (admitting that earlier I wrote that he was "on the hunt"). I believe Lindsay had her eye on him at the wedding (after all, he had no knowledge of Mindy, either, so Lindsay could easily have figured she herself was just as "good at first sight."). And I can believe that Katie, already a deceiver, went after Zach. 

I wonder why Shannie would be jealous of Mindy. Like, why?

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Remember when the season first started and Taylor referred to herself as a scientist?  There was some discussion on this forum about that: what exactly did she do?  What was her schooling--was she a grad student?  Undergrad?

  Eventually a chyron (I think it was on one of the offshoots of this show, maybe Couples Couch) showed that her job title had changed to "Technician." 

Hmmm. . .  Just another brick in the wall of Taylor's lies, if you ask me.  . . .

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On 4/23/2020 at 5:02 PM, rebel2u said:

Remember when the season first started and Taylor referred to herself as a scientist?  There was some discussion on this forum about that: what exactly did she do?  What was her schooling--was she a grad student?  Undergrad?

 

Not sure of her education, but she works at Johns Hopkins.  Job is either a contracts administrator or a data assistant, or a "Research Program Assistant."  I found her there, but not with a title.  FWIW, from her divorce papers, she lives in Baltimore just below BWI.  I guess if she lived in the MAFS apartments she had the reverse commute, DC to Baltimore.

Wasn't her label something like Miss Beauty and Brains?

ETA: Found also.......She is listed as a credited author (one of many) on a research paper in 2019.  Some sites that make the paper available lists her credential as BA, only one of 3 amongst a large group of PhD and MD co-authors.

 

ETA2: In episode 1, she says she works at Johns Hopkins Hospital, which makes some sense she she appears to work in the Radiology department.  Also JHH is closer to downtown and where she lives.

 

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52 minutes ago, rebel2u said:

Remember when the season first started and Taylor referred to herself as a scientist?  There was some discussion on this forum about that: what exactly did she do?  What was her schooling--was she a grad student?  Undergrad?

  Eventually a chyron (I think it was on one of the offshoots of this show, maybe Couples Couch) showed that her job title had changed to "Technician." 

Hmmm. . .  Just another brick in the wall of Taylor's lies, if you ask me.  . . .

But don't they check on these people's applications at all?  I would expect that they would have to show some kind of proof that they are what they say they are - I mean you can say "I'm not a liar" and be lying, but if you say "I'm a teacher" or "I'm working in a research lab" they should find out if that is true.

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The producers of this show are shade AF.  Michael should have told Kevin that if he wanted to hear Brandon's side, they should have invited Brandon to the show.  I mean why did I have to watch Taylor and her busted wig?  All they were doing was giving her more screen time.

When Taylor told that "story" about confronting Brandon in the bar, I could see that Kevin Frazier was like, "sis, you're as bad a liar as Michael."  She switched her stories, first she confronted Brandon about taking pictures of her, then she was running away from him?  Which is it?

Here's what I think happened.  Taylor STILL has not owned up to that Instagram post, which she basically said she's single.  I think she might have met someone, maybe the man she sad was "more than a friend."  I think she went with him, to that bar hoping to see Brandon.  Now I heard that Brandon

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is filing for an annulment because Taylor was a replacement for the woman he was supposed to marry.

Maybe that was why he was taking pictures of them, to show that it was all a fraud.  I think that Taylor was in this for camera time.  Why?  If some stranger that I was married off to told me to "fuck off" I'd ask for a divorce STAT.  But that would have meant less camera time for me, and I'm sure this was just an audition for whatever reality show is casting.

Who was shocked that Katie hooked up with her ex?  No one.

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6 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

The producers of this show are shade AF.  Michael should have told Kevin that if he wanted to hear Brandon's side, they should have invited Brandon to the show.

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I agree that Michael should have stuck with "no comment" or "I have nothing to add", but he made the choice to participate, and in retrospect it was a bad choice.

Michael was sticking up for Brandon without much push-back, and then Meka jumped in and accused Michael of being Brandon's sycophant, suggesting that Michael won't criticize Brandon because he actually agrees with everything Brandon said and did.  Honestly, it was a brutal and unrestrained onslaught from Meka, analogous to a decapitation.

It was at this point that Michael became visibly angry, and left the room.  He attempted to portray himself as a victim of unfairness, but in reality, he was simply being held accountable for his own words and actions.

And as I mentioned previously...strange that Michael was significantly more upset over this, than repeatedly being called a liar for several months on national television.

 

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4 minutes ago, Truth said:

And as I mentioned previously...strange that Michael was significantly more upset over this, than repeatedly being called a liar for several months on national television.

I think Michael explained it when he told Kevin that he didn't like another black man getting trashed on TV.  Kevin was correct when he said that Brandon's actions didn't make him look good at all.

Neither did Taylor's but maybe the men were blinded by her busted wig.

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Just now, Neurochick said:

I think Michael explained it when he told Kevin that he didn't like another black man getting trashed on TV.  Kevin was correct when he said that Brandon's actions didn't make him look good at all.

Neither did Taylor's but maybe the men were blinded by her busted wig.

LOL  Taylor's account of the "bar incident was "Zachesque".

(Or is it Michaelesque??)

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Some people haven't a clue as to how to parlay an opportunity to others.

To wit: Jessica and Austin are now going to be on an off-shoot show. They will probably be on a future "Pillow Talk," reunion specials, etc. 

Mindy could very possibly be invited onto "DWTS." Ice-skaters have done well. Maybe even "The Bachelorette" could be an option. 

But Michael, Brandon, Zach, and Katie have thrown away potential paychecks. 

 

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Wasn't her label something like Miss Beauty and Brains?

Something like that...

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Neither did Taylor's but maybe the men were blinded by her busted wig.

That wig could easily have devoured a few men. If she shakes it really hard, bits of their remains might fall out.

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It was at this point that Michael became visibly angry, and left the room.  He attempted to portray himself as a victim of unfairness, but in reality, he was simply being held accountable for his own words and actions.

I didn't think Michael looked "visibly angry." They announced a break and he left the stage. I would have been pissed if I'd been him too. They shouldn't have asked him to represent Brandon's side of the story and Frasier wouldn't drop it. Then someone (Meka, I think) said that it didn't matter what the truth was, Michael would always take Brandon's side - which I don't think was necessarily fair, especially because Frasier had basically just tasked Michael to stand in for Brandon.

I think that, if Michael and Brandon are friends, they both have lousy taste in friends. But I also think Michael was totally justified in being irritated to have to speak for Brandon or somehow represent his perspective. And honestly, they spent much too long on the whole thing - particularly Taylor's lengthy and detailed telling of her side of the story.

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5 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

But Michael, Brandon, Zach, and Katie have thrown away potential paychecks. 

 

And I have the feeling that each of them is blissfully unaware.

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16 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I didn't think Michael looked "visibly angry."

Perhaps "upset" would have been a better word choice.  As Meka criticized him, he was fidgeting in his chair, rapidly changing facial expressions, then shaking his head with his eyes closed.  I perceived it as anger, but maybe it was a different set of emotions.

Either way, it was at this point that he walked off while making some (presumably profane) comment that was bleeped out.

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16 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Mindy could very possibly be invited onto "DWTS." Ice-skaters have done well. Maybe even "The Bachelorette" could be an option. 

I don't see Mindy going on anything past MAFS. 

Jamie Otis has gone as far as anyone will from MAFS and she just has Unfiltered/Couples Couch and a podcast. She pushes stuff on Instagram but what else?

She doesn't work as nurse anymore.

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