Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, RedElf said:

Why did everybody (Finn included) assume that he was the doctor that was going to be treating Heather? And he just takes over the case because he found it on the computer, not because anybody else contacted him and told him he had a patient.

Is the hospital doing nothing to make sure nobody else catches this disease has?  She has no bandages, there are no precautions in the room, she doesn't even have any blankets.

Presumably Finn caught the case because he is the hospital's infectious disease specialist and Heather was brought in for diagnosis and treatment of a presumably infectious disease as Finn identified. He identified it as a tropical disease (was Heather on the island with Reiko too?)

Good point about making sure no one else in the hospital caught it. Also what was Finn doing with that needle? What sedative is injected directly into a vein?

41 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Yes.  And then it was planted on Jennifer Smith, who took the fall and is allegely in the WSB possesion as well as the ice princess.

If Jennifer Smith had the Ice Princess, then it couldn't have been cut up into the necklace Peter had because he was long dead when we saw her scenes.

I thought it was strange that Anna was at the arraignment is what looked like passing for prison wear. Usually people dress up to give the impression that they are upstanding citizens, not headed for jail.

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

The lampshading they had Britt do yesterday about how doctors don't always agree with a patient's decision about treatment but need to be respected didn't help

That has the possibility for a short arc with Britt and maybe Terry trying to deal with watching Willow make bad decisions and talking about previous patients who did and how it affected them as doctors but it will never happen.

2 hours ago, ffwbe said:

This show is so much more watchable on the days that a certain group is absent.

Truer words...

[Cheyanne11]

22 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

27 minutes ago, RedElf said:

Isn't being an emergency room doctor a specialty?

In the real world!!!!  Also, I'm pretty sure that was Lucas (who?) specialty so now that he's gone, everyone has to take their turn.  The day that HOlly was brought in, it was Austin and most of the time it seems to be Britt.  

Or TJ, aka the hardest working intern GH has ever known!

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

I'll be the lone one defending Anna.  Yes, she forced Lucy into it, but once things got serious she pulled Lucy out.  Lucy was the one who was happy with Victor's attention and wanted more of the action and CHOSE not to back off when Anna told her to. 

It includes that, though. Anna told her to back off knowing the kind of person Lucy is. There was no way she was going to listen, something that Anna should have taken into consideration before she coerced her into this. 

Lucy isn't an asset. She's a liability and Anna's brain gets flushed down the toilet very often to make her do dumb stuff like this. 

[Cheyanne11]

3 hours ago, RedElf said:

"The story of my life."  Hehheh.

That was funny.  And I actually think Allie Mills was good today.  I don't know if she's familiar with RM's take on Heather, but I thought she was pretty spot-on. 

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

As someone who's been dealing with cancer for nine years now, Willow's story doesn't offend me so much as make me roll my eyes. The lampshading they had Britt do yesterday about how doctors don't always agree with a patient's decision about treatment but need to be respected didn't help, since Willow is being a total idiot about everything.

I don't necessarily expect realism on this goddamned show, but the way they're treating Willow's leukemia so far is fucking ridiculous.  I mean, of course we know she's going to magically get cured by Nina's sweet, sweet, bone marrow, no matter how much of an idiot she's being now.  I just wish we'd get to that part of the story other than her wide-eyed surprise that her non-treated disease has progressed.

Loved RH in her scenes today.  When she was listing off all the life milestones--good and bad--that her parents couldn't be bothered to be there for her, I teared up.  They are two people who should've never had children if they discarded them so easily for "the greater good." 

[TVbitch]

Okay, the way Valentin slapped the bodyguard, it was like he was challenging him to a duel or something, not knocking him out so he could get away with Charlotte. Then the guy totally disables him with a hand twist. Don't make V weak like that! ...but the end did perk me up. 

[Blackie]

46 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Loved RH in her scenes today.  When she was listing off all the life milestones--good and bad--that her parents couldn't be bothered to be there for her, I teared up.  They are two people who should've never had children if they discarded them so easily for "the greater good." 

I kept thinking..really, could parents really be that bad! I agree RH was good, but was this just bad writing going way back???Are we going to get  Aiden  listing off his life milestones to Lucky?

[Winston Wolfe]

On 10/29/2022 at 3:37 PM, perkie1968 said:

On 10/29/2022 at 1:24 PM, TeeVee329 said:

just changing her last name back to Benson,

She told Drew that she hated that Virginia didn't change her last name from Benson after Frank left her, so there was no way Carly was going back to Benson.  

So much ugh. Hey Carly - you're a SPENCER - just like your mom. How about using that name - even though that Legacy Family is even more decimated than the Qs these days.

Speaking of Spencers, the re-cast Jeff Weber has a serious Anthony Geary look and mannerisms - is that why he's been cast as a deadbeat dad?

I liked that Thursday's and Friday's episodes got back to some "love in the afternoon." It's been a long time.

Also, it's starting to look like the mini-moobster will be the one to take Victor down. Of Course. Of Course. (spoken softly, TM Thor Odinson)

Edited November 1, 2022 by Winston Wolfe

[Mirabelle]

Drew and Joss pouring their hearts out to a big rock with a plaque saying "Oscar's Meadow" is comedy gold.

[30 Helens]

When someone has been playing a role as long as Robin Mattson has been playing Heather, it seems almost disrespectful to recast. If the person isn’t available, maybe just don’t bring on the character.

I was prepared to hate NuHeather for those reasons. But I have to admit, Alley Mills did a great job. She obviously knows how to bring the crazy, but reined it in just enough that I didn’t have to roll my eyes. And she was clearly having fun, so good for her. I enjoyed her scenes.

I noticed today that they are letting Emma Samms do her scenes while seated as much as possible. I recently read a brief account of her Long Covid issues, and it sounds pretty awful. One of her main symptoms is she gets very tired very quickly, so it’s nice to see them accommodating her as they can. I must admit I’ve never been a fan of Holly, but I’m glad ES is able to achieve what she wants to, as difficult as it must be.

[perkie1968]

9 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

So much ugh. hey Carly - you're a SPENCER - just like your mom. How about using that name -

She told Bobbie on Friday that she's going to take on the Spencer name, in Bobbie's honour.  

10 hours ago, Blackie said:

I kept thinking..really, could parents really be that bad!

They dumped her off at the neighbours house, who then sent her down to Audrey, and left the country.....for twenty years.  No phone calls, no visits.  Nada.  Yes, they were that bad.  

It's not the same for Aiden and Lucky, because Aiden is with his loving mother and grandmother Laura,  and while it doesn't happen often, there are the occasional mentions of zoom calls with Lucky.    

[Blackie]

9 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

They dumped her off at the neighbours house, who then sent her down to Audrey, and left the country.....for twenty years.  No phone calls, no visits.  Nada.  Yes, they were that bad.  

I guess I find it a stretch that they would be that bad (parents abandoning their child basically for their work, not for addiction or mental health, plus it was 2 people making that decision ). I know that was the plot all those years ago but it was it just laziness of writing or not wanting to recast that kept that theme going all these years? Kind of like Lucky not coming to visit his kids because they dont want to recast JJ.  Doesn't make sense to me.🤷‍♀️

[Asp Burger]

I think it's a chicken-and-egg situation. No prior writing or producing regime showed an interest in doing anything with Liz's family other than occasionally having a sibling (established or newfound) be in town for a while. Not having any contact with her parents for her whole time in Port Charles became the character's story over two decades plus. That was added to Liz's talk in her younger years about how her sister Sarah was always the favored child.

So, the current group is getting drama out of the hand it was dealt. The character, Liz, is now saying things viewers have said about her parents never being around for the big events in her life, both good and bad. 

If Lucky were to be recast and start appearing in 2023, they probably would get drama out of his long absence. I can imagine friction with Liz's kids, even though there have been mentions here and there of his having some relationship from afar, at least with Aiden. I can imagine Cameron being standoffish, giving an angry-boy speech about how you don't get to just show up and pick up where you left off and talk about times I don't even remember, when Franco is the one who was there for us, etc. 

[ljr]

I'm really confused about the Liz story. I didn't see her 25 years ago. What did she say about her parents then? Are the sleeping pills and memory of killing Reiko part of her blackouts?

If her parents abandoned her how did she go to the island? Her parents said she met a doctor. Do they know it's finn?

[Melgaypet]

1 hour ago, ljr said:

What did she say about her parents then?

Her parents were doctors who joined Doctors Without Border and were sent to...Serbia? I'm not sure if that's right, but some Eastern European country. They sent Sarah to Audrey and left Elizabeth with family friends in Boulder. (Steven Lars, I assume, was already in college or med school by then). Resentful Liz ran away from Colorado and joined her sister in Port Charles.

It was never turned into a big thing, but she clearly had issues with her parents even then, especially her mother. She felt like an outsider, symbolized by being the only brunette in a family of blondes. Sarah was the well-behaved, studious, aspiring doctor, Elizabeth was wilder, not particularly interested in school, and artistic. She talked about being the sister who couldn't sit still, always spilled paint on her clothes, that sort of thing. Her mother wasn't described as a monster, but there was definitely a sense that Sarah was the favorite and she (the mother) didn't like or understand Elizabeth. This was Liz's perspective, of course, but I never got the sense that she was wrong about it. Elizabeth's behavior towards Sarah when she first appeared was bratty and spiteful, but it was coming from a place of genuine hurt.

[GHScorpiosRule]

So I got off the Barge just to see Ned finally, FINALLY  acts like the savvy businessman he is. Insider Trading! And yes, laughing at the "durr-hurr?" looks both the SLS and pod!Drew! gave him, he threw in Martha Stewart's name so they'd buy a clue. But they didn't.

Can this Ned stay? And just continue to fight and Olivia can go kick rocks since she clearly doesn't believe in supporting her husband.

And I HATEHATEHATEHATE what Guza started with Jeff being an absentee/deadbeat dad, when the original was such a good person. I get it, Richard Dean Anderson didn't want to come back. But there were ways to show he cared. And this new regime continues its trail of decimating well-loved characters (even though Guza already tainted him), by what I saw yesterday. This pod!Jeff! could only look at Elizabeth with a "what the hell are you doing here?" expression, instead of smiling. Or, I don't know, look happy to see her? At least this newly created mother showed happiness. UGH. UGH.🤬

I did love the 2 second flashback to 15 year old Elizabeth, smoking, when she was telling Lucky how she came to be in Port Charles.

[Kim0820]

3 hours ago, Blackie said:

I guess I find it a stretch that they would be that bad (parents abandoning their child basically for their work, not for addiction or mental health, plus it was 2 people making that decision ). I know that was the plot all those years ago but it was it just laziness of writing or not wanting to recast that kept that theme going all these years? Kind of like Lucky not coming to visit his kids because they dont want to recast JJ.  Doesn't make sense to me.🤷‍♀️

And they recast Lucky twice, and he had been more recent. 

I was watching when Liz came on.  Sarah came first.  I suppose she could have been left with the same couple?  But in the summer she came to see Audrey.  Then Liz showed up. The parents were called and said Liz could stay with Sarah and Audrey if she got a job.  She got a job at Kelly's.  Lucky had a thing for Sarah and Liz had a thing for Lucky.  Finally Lucky saw the light and liked Liz.  

Sarah dated Nikolas.  Liz put condoms in a bag of Sarah's so she would be embarrassed when Nik found them.  Liz also stole test answers from a teacher.  She was a real brat, spending Gram's money on pizza and smoking.  Then the rape happened, and that changed her. 

Funny thing was, at the time, no one thought much about the parents.  Liz and Sarah were fine and into their new adventures.  

Liz did go to see her parents for one of RH's maternity leaves.  They were always conveniently there to go offscreen to.  So it's not quite true that they have never paid her attention in so long.  But the writers know they can make it look that way.  

Sarah went to the parents too, both times she was written out.  

[racked]

2 hours ago, Kim0820 said:

And they recast Lucky twice, and he had been more recent. 

I was watching when Liz came on.  Sarah came first.  I suppose she could have been left with the same couple?  But in the summer she came to see Audrey.  Then Liz showed up. The parents were called and said Liz could stay with Sarah and Audrey if she got a job.  She got a job at Kelly's.  Lucky had a thing for Sarah and Liz had a thing for Lucky.  Finally Lucky saw the light and liked Liz.  

Sarah dated Nikolas.  Liz put condoms in a bag of Sarah's so she would be embarrassed when Nik found them.  Liz also stole test answers from a teacher.  She was a real brat, spending Gram's money on pizza and smoking.  Then the rape happened, and that changed her. 

Funny thing was, at the time, no one thought much about the parents.  Liz and Sarah were fine and into their new adventures.  

Liz did go to see her parents for one of RH's maternity leaves.  They were always conveniently there to go offscreen to.  So it's not quite true that they have never paid her attention in so long.  But the writers know they can make it look that way.  

Sarah went to the parents too, both times she was written out.  

I was rewatching those years on YouTube and Bad Girl Liz was so ridiculous but adorable. Nothing she did made that much sense but it was fun. I do think her parents pretty much suck. Not only were they not there when she was raped as a child (I remember her making Audrey swear not to tell them but they did find out at some point), they didn’t bother to show up when her son died or miraculously came back to life. 

I would honestly love to see Lucky come back and have to deal with the kids he abandoned. I assume Cameron would be the most angry as he was old enough to remember Lucky as his dad. JJ is Lucky to me but if he doesn’t want to come back I would accept a good recast. Liz facing her own parents should make her reflect on Lucky doing the same. He may see Aiden once in a while but he took all her children as his own. 

[VioletMarx]

34 minutes ago, racked said:

I was rewatching those years on YouTube and Bad Girl Liz was so ridiculous but adorable. Nothing she did made that much sense but it was fun. I do think her parents pretty much suck. Not only were they not there when she was raped as a child (I remember her making Audrey swear not to tell them but they did find out at some point), they didn’t bother to show up when her son died or miraculously came back to life. 

I would honestly love to see Lucky come back and have to deal with the kids he abandoned. I assume Cameron would be the most angry as he was old enough to remember Lucky as his dad. JJ is Lucky to me but if he doesn’t want to come back I would accept a good recast. Liz facing her own parents should make her reflect on Lucky doing the same. He may see Aiden once in a while but he took all her children as his own. 

It is absolutely insane to me that neither of Luke and Laura's kids are on the canvas.  Recast them, for crying out loud! I love JJ but the character should be onscreen and he is probably never coming back. And hey, what is Julie Berman up to? Would die to see her Lulu again! 

[Gam2]

Watching Holly today made me anxious. Her bug eyes, blinking constantly and hesitation in speaking makes me think the long covid has done a lot of damage to her memory and ability to memorize her lines. I do wish her the best.

[YaddaYadda]

What's the big deal about the hmms and awws with Reiko? It's not like Elizabeth killed her when she pushed her down the stairs. We've been told that St. Reiko died from Blackwood disease or whatever it's called.

And what's the age difference between Finn and Elizabeth supposed to be? And more importantly, was Jeff diddling a barely out of med school girl?

The whole, we go to places where we're alone, no friends, no family . . . way to say stuff like that with the woman who happens to be your wife and that you were traveling the world with standing right there. Jeff Webber is a scumbag. 

Carly in a new place is really still Carly in the old place. The more it changes, the more it stays the same. STFU, baby hoarder. And for the love of God, find other friends, Sam. You're in a good place in your life, continue the clean-up. Nobody needs this in their lives. Looking forward to that big secret blowing up in her face, but she'll justify it by saying that Willow didn't want to know.

Drew and Carly must have a relationship dictated by them trying to avoid jail for insider trading. *yawn*

ETA - Also the writers just made a bigger mess with the Webber family tree. Can't keep it in his pants Jeff slept with Reiko, Finn's wife. Finn got involved with 2 of Jeff's daughters, Hayden and Elizabeth and his the father of one of Jeff's grandkids. 

If the writers were trying to rival Sonny's nasty ass, well bravo! You're definitely on your way.

Edited November 1, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[LexieLily]

If the end goal isn't that Finn is a mastermind playing the long-con in seeking out and dating both of Jeff Webber's daughters after Jeff Webber slept with his wife, what is the point in even connecting the two stories?

[dubbel zout]

I had to stop and think why Drew would be bringing Scout to see Alexis. They almost never mention that Scout is Alexis's granddaughter. It's always about Sam and Drew.

KEVIN!!!!!!!!! JL looks pretty hot in the dog collar.

"What's going on with Elizabeth?" "Nothing that compares to what you're going through." Ugh, way to belittle Elizabeth's problems, Finn.You suck. It's not as if she's freaking out over the wrong nail color.I t's also kind of gross that he seems to understand Elizabeth needs to handle her stuff by herself at the moment but Anna needs a white knight swooping in to save her. His savior complex is tiresome, to say the least.

10 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

And for the love of God, find other friends, Sam.

All she is is another person to tell Carly how fantastic she is. Zzzzzz.

I don't understand why the relationship affects whether it's insider trading or not. Isn't someone still profiting from confidential information?

Well, it's no shocker Elizabeth might have pushed Reiko down the stairs, but it's also not a shocker if Jeff is lying about it.

[perkie1968]

7 hours ago, Blackie said:

but it was it just laziness of writing or not wanting to recast that kept that theme going all these years?

None of the writing regimes have ever wanted to write for Liz/BH which makes no sense because BH can clearly handle heavy material as we're seeing now and when Jake "died" and when she was raped.  But because she's not directly in the Sonny/Carly/Jason/Sam stories, other than briefly with Jason, she gets nothing.  It took 25 years to give her parents.  That's nuts.  

6 hours ago, ljr said:

If her parents abandoned her how did she go to the island? Her parents said she met a doctor. Do they know it's finn?

Going to the island happened before she was abandoned.  Re: Finn, today Liz questioned why they reached out to Jake/Aiden right after Franco died, around the time she started getting friendly with Finn.  I don't think that's a coincidence.  

26 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

And what's the age difference between Finn and Elizabeth supposed to be

MIchael is 55 and Becky is 45 so only 10 years in real life.  Not sure if that's supposed to be the same for Finn and Liz.  If we go by real age, 25 years ago they would have been 30 and 20, though Liz is saying she was 15, which means Becky is playing Liz at least 5 years younger.  

William Moses is 62, which would mean Jeff would have been 37 all those years ago, so if Reiko is give or take Finn's age, around 30, Jeff wasn't robbing the cradle.  

31 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Drew and Carly must have a relationship dictated by them trying to avoid jail for insider trading. *yawn*

I'm guessing they won't be able to date since Alexis said the SCC can't prove insider trading if it wasn't a romantic relationship.  So we were forced to sit through 435 episodes of the two of them nattering on the non Florida beach and declaring their intentions for each other so that we can now have them making googoo eyes at each other from afar because they can't be together.  So stupid.  

12 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Well, it's no shocker Elizabeth might have pushed Reiko down the stairs, but it's also not a shocker if Jeff is lying about it.

I can't see Jeff lyiing about it though.  The way it played out the two are arguing at the top of the stairs, where it appears no one else is there, and then Reiko's at the bottom of the stairs with Liz standing over her, also no one else appears to be there.  I've thought all along that Liz was the pusher and that seeing Peter at the bottom of the stairs is what triggered the memory. 

Plus it gives the parents the excuse that they left and stayed away for 25 years so as not to trigger the memory.  

[mostlylurking]

Becky Herbst was awesome in the scenes with her parents, per usual.  I’ve been through something similar with my parents so it hits home.  I don’t give a shit if they were helping needy people.  They shouldn’t have had kids then if they wanted to dedicate themselves to that cause so entirely.  Or how about this there are people who are capable of doing both. Her parents are both assholes for abandoning their kids.

I also wanted to add I am so happy they didn’t go with a molestation story as a way to “justify” Liz’s bad feelings towards her parents. Her parents leaving her was bad on its own, and she is already justified in not wanting a close relationship with them now. I’m glad that’s being recognized. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by mostlylurking

[statsgirl]

Today was good soap. Keeping Drew away from scenes with Carly as well as no Michael or Willow works.

ES playing up Holly's fear while on the phone reporting made me think that rather than Holly being brainwashed, Victor is threatening Ethan or someone else Holly cares about to get her to do his bidding.

Kudos to Finn for realizing that Elizabeth needs to work it out on her own.

Carly's zen didn't last too long, did it?  The person that Carly is really hurting with this "No Nina" rule is Donna, who is going to be kept out of stuff that Avery and Nina do.

MB's expression (eyebrows up, grimace) when Carly told him that she wants to talk to him alone was hilarious.

i know that this "good thing that the relationship between you and this hypothetical person is casual Drew" is that Carly is Michael's mother. Mother. And Michael was the CEO of Aurora at the time in the job Sam gave him, Drew is just the major shareholder. The relationship with Drew doesn't matter when her relationship to Michael is so close and she even said that she did it for Michael. I loved seen Alexis confirm immediately that it's insider trading.

5 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

It was never turned into a big thing, but she clearly had issues with her parents even then, especially her mother. She felt like an outsider, symbolized by being the only brunette in a family of blondes. Sarah was the well-behaved, studious, aspiring doctor, Elizabeth was wilder, not particularly interested in school, and artistic. She talked about being the sister who couldn't sit still, always spilled paint on her clothes, that sort of thing. Her mother wasn't described as a monster, but there was definitely a sense that Sarah was the favorite and she (the mother) didn't like or understand Elizabeth. This was Liz's perspective, of course, but I never got the sense that she was wrong about it. Elizabeth's behavior towards Sarah when she first appeared was bratty and spiteful, but it was coming from a place of genuine hurt.

From a family dynamics perspective, it makes sense. Jeff and Caroline shouldn't have had children in the first place because they never really wanted to give them the attention they needed and used their mission to justify it. With a "good" child like Sarah, one who behaved and wasn't any trouble, they could eke through. But with a child who needed more care and attention, she would be labelled as bad and the blame put on her. And them more they blamed her, the more Elizabeth would act our, both in revenge and in seeking the attention that she needed.

I knew that Jeff was going to say that it was Elizabeth who pushed Reiko down the stairs. (Big deal, she survived to die in Finn's care.) Whether it was Elizabeth pushing or just her knowing about the affair, I can see why a guilty Jeff and Caroline avoided the child that they didn't really care about for all those years, and why Jeff keeps talking about Jake needing support that Franco died while not caring about Liz.*

Maybe they left Elizabeth with neighbours when they sent Sarah to Audrey because they thought that Audrey was too old to take care of a couple of teenagers, especially one as much trouble as Elizabeth. To Liz, it would have been yet another stabbing betrayal.

While we don't see Lucky onscreen there are occasional mentions of the boys doing zoom calls with him, or visiting him wherever he is at the time. So if he came back it's not like he completely abandoned them like Liz's parents did.

*A friend of mine who was training to be a therapist took a group therapy experiential course to how it was on the other side. The lead was terrible and scapegoated her in the group to make the rest of the group draw closer. (Turned out, there were a lot of complaints against the guy.) She left that day crying as she walked down the street. When she confronted the group the next day that complete strangers on the street had been concerned if she was all right while no one in the group had, the reply was "Well, we know what you're like. they don't." That how I see Jeff and Caroline treating Liz, that they know what she's like so they don''t need to be compassionate towards her.

[Cheyanne11]

8 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

MIchael is 55 and Becky is 45 so only 10 years in real life.  Not sure if that's supposed to be the same for Finn and Liz.  If we go by real age, 25 years ago they would have been 30 and 20, though Liz is saying she was 15, which means Becky is playing Liz at least 5 years younger.  

The character came on the show in 1998, so that tracks.  BH has always been slightly older than the character.

[statsgirl]

Reiko had to have been at least 25 if she was a qualified doctor, in the islands possibly up to 30 depending on the specialty. Old enough to know what she was doing in Jeff's bed.

[perkie1968]

15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

rather than Holly being brainwashed, Victor is threatening Ethan or someone else Holly cares about to get her to do his bidding.

Ethan. Or Robert.  Or both.  

16 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Kudos to Finn for realizing that Elizabeth needs to work it out on her own.

It only took months of his father and Chase telling him followed by Liz' teen son telling him before he got the gist.  And really, only because Terri was going with her to Monterey.  

17 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I loved seen Alexis confirm immediately that it's insider trading.

Especially in the tone that meant she thinks Drew is a complete moron.  Also, he's supposedly a businessman but doesn't enough about insider trading that he needs to go and ask Alexis about it.  

[dubbel zout]

30 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

MB's expression (eyebrows up, grimace) when Carly told him that she wants to talk to him alone was hilarious.

I loved that. It was a very realistic reaction, especially since Carly jumped to wrong conclusions as usual until Sonny was able to get a word in and set her straight. 

12 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

30 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I loved seen Alexis confirm immediately that it's insider trading.

Especially in the tone that meant she thinks Drew is a complete moron.  Also, he's supposedly a businessman but doesn't enough about insider trading that he needs to go and ask Alexis about it.  

Heh, right? And his dumbass partner, Michael, is convinced it wasn't insider trading, because he's such a better businessman than Ned. Not to mention Michael's "push posh, there's no way Ned would turn us into the SEC." At least Drew was smart enough to realize it could be a genuine threat. I'd root for Ned to blackmail those to nitwits, but the show would turn it around so Ned would get prosecuted for blackmail and the nitwits would get off scott-free, giving Michael yet another win. 

And I still don't understand what any sort of relationship has to do with whether it's insider trading. I don't think this is a RL thing. It's a very dumb way to put fake (and stupid) drama in the nascent Carly/Drew romance. 

[Kim0820]

2 hours ago, racked said:

I was rewatching those years on YouTube and Bad Girl Liz was so ridiculous but adorable. Nothing she did made that much sense but it was fun. I do think her parents pretty much suck. Not only were they not there when she was raped as a child (I remember her making Audrey swear not to tell them but they did find out at some point), they didn’t bother to show up when her son died or miraculously came back to life. 

If it has been Carly, they would have been there.  Interesting they did not kill the parents off.  They must have intended to bring them in, then got distracted with mob stories and haven't gotten around to it until now, making the parents look worse. 

[ffwbe]

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And I still don't understand what any sort of relationship has to do with whether it's insider trading. I don't think this is a RL thing. It's a very dumb way to put fake (and stupid) drama in the nascent Carly/Drew romance. 

Which I find hilarious because they eliminated or ignored all of the organic reasons that Carly and Drew would have angst. Carly forgetting Drew existed the moment real Jason returned. Her trying to manipulate his relationship in order to get Sam and Jason reunited and now Sam has moved on to and is happy with a “good guy”. The fact that Carly is clearly rebounding from both Sonny and Jason. Drew having Jason’s memories and whether Carly actually likes him for him or because he reminds her of Jason.
 

The last one should give Sam concern but instead she’s cheerleading them. Even if she doesn’t want Drew herself, I’m sure she still cares about him and should have concerns about whether getting involved with Carly is a good idea given everything she knows

[Tenshinhan]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

What's the big deal about the hmms and awws with Reiko? It's not like Elizabeth killed her when she pushed her down the stairs. We've been told that St. Reiko died from Blackwood disease or whatever it's called.

I'm guessing that maybe the disease will turn out to be some kind of a cover story and the fall somehow killed her.  Or if not then some other kind of cover up involving Jeff, maybe a pregnancy... who knows.

[Cheyanne11]

30 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And I still don't understand what any sort of relationship has to do with whether it's insider trading. I don't think this is a RL thing. It's a very dumb way to put fake (and stupid) drama in the nascent Carly/Drew romance. 

Yeah, pretty sure it doesn't.  But I'm sure this faux drama will get more people interesting in Carly/Drew.  As is, not.

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Reiko had to have been at least 25 if she was a qualified doctor, in the islands possibly up to 30 depending on the specialty. Old enough to know what she was doing in Jeff's bed.

Not excusing her part in this depending on how old she was. But I thought the picture they used for her, she looked really young to be having an affair with Jeff. We just got done with an story arc about power dynamics between a teenager and a grown ass man. There may have been power dynamics at play with Jeff and Reiko too. 

I wonder if Heather's return might be tied to this clusterfuck.

Edited November 1, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[statsgirl]

There may have been power dynamics with Jeff and Reiko but that would involve making it an actual story and Liz is not Carly so 🤷‍♀️

I also wondered why they bother to recast Heather at this point and put her in Finn's path if not for Jeff's story.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

And I still don't understand what any sort of relationship has to do with whether it's insider trading. I don't think this is a RL thing. It's a very dumb way to put fake (and stupid) drama in the nascent Carly/Drew romance. 

Fanwanking, maybe if they were only casual acqaintances Drew could be off the hook for  passing on information if he said it was accidental. But since Carly told everyone from the bank to the hotel staff to the fence post that she did it for Michael to help him and she was going to make a lot of money, that horse has long left the barn.

Hilarious though that business genius Michael and his partner Drew had no idea that it was insider trading. I hope Ned holds it over their heads for a long, long time.

Prison time. Hee.

56 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

The last one should give Sam concern but instead she’s cheerleading them. Even if she doesn’t want Drew herself, I’m sure she still cares about him and should have concerns about whether getting involved with Carly is a good idea given everything she knows

Sam hasn't cared about Drew since Jason and his black T-shirt crashed through the roof to save everyone. She's here for Carly.

Speaking of Carly, it's interesting that she gets back fron Jacksonville and instead of immediately calling her kids to find out how they are, she goes out with her BFF Sam to tell her how wonderful her trip was.

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

I also wondered why they bother to recast Heather at this point and put her in Finn's path if not for Jeff's story.

It all seems connected and Heather has some tropical disease which could connect to the serial killer and his venom from some tropical snake. 

[Gam2]

I’ve always been a huge fan of BH’s acting although not necessarily the plot she’s been involved in. However, this scenario with her mom and dad the past days has been somehow off. I can’t explain it but her acting has been over the top, unrealistic, not Elizabeth’s way of doing things. Sorry I can’t be more clear but this isn’t settling right with me.

[RedElf]

So Finn and Reiko were married when Liz, at age 15 more or less, allegedly killed her.  Finn later produced a child with Jeff's daughter by yet another woman, and now he's sexing up Elizabeth?  Is he on a vengeance spree?

[Auntie Velvet]

As twisted as the logic the Drs. Webber seem poised to explain tomorrow (something like -- we didn't want to trigger your memory of being a teen psycho) it would actually be a relief to have something resembling a real motive for not just being neglectful, but completely absent parents and grandparents.

Whether Reiko's death ends up being somewhat or completely related to her fall, I do not believe that Finn has any idea that she had any connection to Elizabeth's father, let alone that he's been playing the long game by romancing the sisters.

[GHScorpiosRule]

This is SUCH BULLSHIT!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

Please tell me Robert has called Robin?

[threebluestars]

3 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

I'm guessing that maybe the disease will turn out to be some kind of a cover story and the fall somehow killed her.  Or if not then some other kind of cover up involving Jeff, maybe a pregnancy... who knows.

That's what I was thinking. I have no idea what we know about how Reiko died, but if she was pushed and ended up in a coma, but was found in the stairwell and they discovered she had this disease, they could have assumed she fell because of it and not because she was pushed.

So the parents keep it quiet, Mom the psychiatrist hypnotizes Liz to forget it and that's why they stayed away and why they're acting so cagey.

[Auntie Velvet]

14 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

When someone has been playing a role as long as Robin Mattson has been playing Heather, it seems almost disrespectful to recast. If the person isn’t available, maybe just don’t bring on the character.

I was prepared to hate NuHeather for those reasons. But I have to admit, Alley Mills did a great job. She obviously knows how to bring the crazy, but reined it in just enough that I didn’t have to roll my eyes. And she was clearly having fun, so good for her. I enjoyed her scenes.

It's going to take some time for me to adjust, because RM's Heather was deceptively ladylike and coy, whereas AM is playing her like a truck driver on steroids. But those are choices each actor brings to the role, so I'll try to keep an open mind.  

[Artsda]

Drew is the stupidest ceo of all time if he needed Alexis to tell him it was insider trading.   What about Michael the connection is there too. 

Liz's parents house is Portia's old house. 

[Cheyanne11]

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

The relationship with Drew doesn't matter when her relationship to Michael is so close and she even said that she did it for Michael. I loved seen Alexis confirm immediately that it's insider trading.

A quick google search also just told me you don't have to be a family member or "romantically involved" with someone for it to be insider trading.  Not that I expect this show to actually delve in reality, but, lord, this will be the stupidest reason ever for Drewfus (who looked like a moron being surprised when Alexis didn't have to think for more than a second about what he was asking) and Carly to not get involved. 

I don't know where this story with the Doctors Weber, Elizabeth, Reiko, and Finn is going, but the math doesn't really math, so you do you, writers.

LOL, you know Carly was dying for Sonny to get all "are you seeing someone--TELL ME!" on her and he just shrugged it off.  He was actually really calm and reasonable with the wildebeast.  Although I am shocked Michael and Willow weren't there so Michael could make his patented stinkface at Sonny and Nina. 

[TeeVee329]

I haven't seen any of it, but this whole thing with tying Dr. Michael Easton's dead wife WE NEVER CARED ABOUT into Liz's backstory with The Parents Liz sounds very silly.

[ffwbe]

30 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

LOL, you know Carly was dying for Sonny to get all "are you seeing someone--TELL ME!" on her and he just shrugged it off.  He was actually really calm and reasonable with the wildebeast. 

She did the same thing when they had their make out session at the fundraiser and caused a fire. You can tell she really, really wants Sonny to flip out about the her and another guy and both times, he didn’t do anything. It only serves to make Carly look more miserable because she’ll claim to have moved on and be free every other day but then makes her stank face every time she sees Sonny and Nina together. 

[Kiki777]

So Carly, baby-hoarder extraordinaire who has Avery calling her Mama Carly, feels all butt hurt about Donna spending one evening in Nina’s company?  That was delicious.

I love Alexis: Yes of course it’s insider trading Drew you dumb twat!

I just binge watched a whole week and noticed how weird those ‘Florida’ beach scenes were.  Those big dumb dramatic drone shots were extra telling because I could see things blurred out in the background: small structures and signs that probably gave away their true location - so cheesy...

[Mirabelle]

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I wonder if Heather's return might be tied to this clusterfuck.

Cam hasn't been kidnapped and held hostage since 2020 so he's due. Heather kidnaps Cam, he gets injured, it brings Liz and her parents back to Port Charles, and Joss gets to act the martyr by sticking with Cam through his recovery while panting after Dex.

[methodwriter85]

18 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

If Lucky were to be recast and start appearing in 2023, they probably would get drama out of his long absence.

Again, why wasn't Josh just cast as Lucky instead of this awful Cody Bell character? JJ is never coming back! It's so mind-boggling.

[30 Helens]

15 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Watching Holly today made me anxious. Her bug eyes, blinking constantly and hesitation in speaking makes me think the long covid has done a lot of damage to her memory and ability to memorize her lines. I do wish her the best.

The Covid effects are not mental, but physical. She gets winded very easily, and short of breath, which makes it difficult to talk. That’s why her speech is sometimes halting. Just getting through a scene must be excruciating, so my heart goes out to her.

14 hours ago, LexieLily said:

If the end goal isn't that Finn is a mastermind playing the long-con in seeking out and dating both of Jeff Webber's daughters after Jeff Webber slept with his wife, what is the point in even connecting the two stories?

LOL. What’s hilarious to me is how the whole incestuous everyone’s-connected aspect of PC is now spreading around the world. Somehow, Webbers and Finns have been bumping against each other across two continents, in 3 different cities, over a span of 20 years, all completely coincidentally.

I wonder if Liz met Finn back in the day, and if he thought to himself “Cute fifteen year old! Once she grows up a bit, she’s mine!” Because this whole storyline is making everything a little eww.

My crackpot theory: Sarah pushed Reiko down the stairs, and parents sent her to PC to protect her, then covered it up. Now that Liz is starting to remember, they’re going to let her take the blame so they can continue to protect their favorite.

13 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

And I still don't understand what any sort of relationship has to do with whether it's insider trading. I don't think this is a RL thing. It's a very dumb way to put fake (and stupid) drama in the nascent Carly/Drew romance. 

To be fair, Alexis didn’t say they had to be in a relationship for it to be insider trading, she just said that makes it easier to prove. Meaning, I guess, that it helps to establish motive? She said without the relationship, the authorities might not pursue it because of the added burden of proof. 

But I agree that’s not a real thing, and I don’t see why non-romantic insider trading would be any harder to prove. So yes, a dumb plot point to set up some very tedious scenes of Carly and Drewpy Dawg staring longingly at each other from a distance, unable to shout their perfect fairytale love from the rooftops. Fun times ahead.

Edited November 2, 2022 by 30 Helens