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10 hours ago, jsbt said:

It is totally going to be Sidwell and it is totally boring to me already.

Yeah, unless he's a red herring (doubtful), I wish they'd just move this thing along. The Lulu and Sam incidents simply can't be mere coincidences. I really believe this is all a set up to get Sonny involved and make it a redemption arc for him.

Also, since Lucky's staying, he's gotta find work. Returning to the PCPD would be going backwards, I'd like to see him join up with the WSB. Makes sense because his parents were always involved with them in some way. Plus, we get to see Lucky, Anna, Jasus (ugh), Sonny (double ugh), Dante and Brennan all work to bring Sidwell down and avenge Sam.

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tessaray

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I'm not doubting that these writers are lame enough to draw out whatever story we're seeing and then abruptly wrap it up and blame it on Sidwell but have I missed some clues? Lulu's respirator happened before Sidwell got to the US, didn't it? And would he even know or care who Sam is?  None of that would get his 100 million in diamonds back.

An undead Ryan, Peter or even Austin would make more sense to me. 🙂 (Not that any of them would make sense either.)

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Desperado

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I gave in an watched the kids’ scenes and Holly/Robert.

I loved the H/R from the flashbacks but I don’t understand this walk down memory lane unless it’s to respectfully usher Tristan out. It’s the “respectfully” part I’m doubting, knowing this show.

Scout (Cosette Abinante) was very good at making me want to hug her again, and I’m sorry the hugger was her deadbeat dad Drew. SB was good with her and Danny (Asher Antonyzyn). I hope this means that both he and his character will step up from now on.

Rocco (Finn Carr), with GF had lovely scenes. (I did shallowly wonder why they couldn’t give the poor woman waterproof mascara though.)

Annoyingly, they’re still talking as if Lulu hasn’t been in a coma forever and that all was wrong with her, was her liver. I wonder how fans of Sam/Kelly who haven’t been spoiled by the “she’s soon wake up” casting news, feel right now.

I still couldn’t watch NLG because she’s too good and I’ve lost my closest relatives this year and I don’t want to go to that mourning place again, over make believe.

On social media, she told people like me to just watch the fun episodes and that’s what I’ll do, mostly.

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JMO

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2 hours ago, Desperado said:

I loved the H/R from the flashbacks but I don’t understand this walk down memory lane unless it’s to respectfully usher Tristan out. It’s the “respectfully” part I’m doubting, knowing this show.

I still couldn’t watch NLG because she’s too good and I’ve lost my closest relatives this year and I don’t want to go to that mourning place again, over make believe.

On social media, she told people like me to just watch the fun episodes and that’s what I’ll do, mostly.

First, I want to acknowledge your losses and say that I'm very sorry.  Glad you followed NLG's advice in that case.

Re: Robert and Holly---I do wonder if it's part of a Robert exit story.  There are loads of 80s GH fans who loved their pairing, though I was always 'blah' about it.  I get that TR has gotten somewhat frail and may not be able to handle a heavy story line at this point.  Maybe he wants a relatively happy ending for his character.  But I'd hate to see Robert leave town right after learning that he has another daughter.  It would just contribute to the inanity of Sasha's newly minted origin story.

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On 11/1/2024 at 5:13 PM, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I guess being at work helped me from full-on bawling yesterday. Today, I was not so lucky. I started crying when Alexis held Dante’s face and told him how happy Sam was about the engagement before she closed her eyes and didn’t wake-up. Dante’s sobbing was heartbreaking.

Another person I wanted to throttle today was Sonny. Dante is asking Alexis what happened and she’s trying to respond and Sonny barks out “what the hell happened?” His impatient tone was infuriating. Maybe give the grieving mother a chance to find the words.

On 11/1/2024 at 8:43 PM, graight said:

Man, I'm only 15 minutes in and haven't stopped crying yet.  What the hell, show?

Alexis holding Dante's face got me too and then I couldn't stop crying the whole episode.

Sonny always being the absolute worst.

Did not think Sam passing would have such an effect but it brought back memories from when I used to watch when JaSam was at its highest. I liked the episodes of Sam and Alexis finding out they are mother and daughter as well.

I also remember Kelly from the first season of Dancing With the Stars. 

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4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

A member of the GH staff was probably bribed by Sidwell to kill Sam.

Sidwell has already sent one of his people to kill Isaiah and he was disguised as a hospital worker.

If Sidwell sent his people to Port Charles, they could have found out that Lucky has a sister in a coma waiting for a liver. They could have also found out that Lulu's donor is also Jason's ex-wife. All it would take someone inserting something into Sam's i.v. that would mimic heart failure.

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7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Same. Anna will cry some more, Jason will scowl, Holly will likely already have fled Port Charles (finally), and everyone else will swear vengeance but in reality ineffectively wring their hands. Zzzz.

I've said this before, it's the same FV/CVE/etc. trajectory as the endless, boring-ass Cyrus, Peter August, Shiloh et al stories.

This dude is gonna be around a year from now still looking as profoundly un-menacing as all those folks, still whining about his insomnia and hanging out with his pointless relatives (probably Eva LaRue and kids), vowing revenge on everyone for getting rooked over some jewels like he's Scrooge McDuck on DuckTales. "You'll pay for losing me me precious jewels, Jason Morgan! Arr! Pieces of eight!" How is that scary?

It's gonna be November '25 and Jason is still gonna be glaring at this bald menace from across the Metro Court or something mumbling 'he killed Sam, he's gotta pay.' All this over some jewels and he's gonna just keep hanging around? I don't care!

6 hours ago, tessaray said:

I'm not doubting that these writers are lame enough to draw out whatever story we're seeing and then abruptly wrap it up and blame it on Sidwell but have I missed some clues? Lulu's respirator happened before Sidwell got to the US, didn't it? And would he even know or care who Sam is?  None of that would get his 100 million in diamonds back.

Sidwell absolutely did it. That was not coincidence. It's about his pretty diamonds and making people he barely knows pay! That's the kind of high-stakes crime saga this team excels at.

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15 hours ago, jsbt said:

It is totally going to be Sidwell and it is totally boring to me already.

My longshot theory continues to be that Sam was the diver who retrieved the gun, and consequently had some kind of lurking bubble [insert correct medical lingo] situation that the surgery turned fatal. 

12 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

CM thinks that waving his hands around and bugging his eyes out constitutes acting. 

Now, now. Sometimes he puts one hand earnestly on this chest.

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JMO

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2 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

My longshot theory continues to be that Sam was the diver who retrieved the gun, and consequently had some kind of lurking bubble [insert correct medical lingo] situation that the surgery turned fatal. 

An air embolism.  I like this idea.

I also remember that Sam didn't initially get tested because she had "a cold".  So a post-Covid clot would also do.  But the air embolism after diving is much more soapy.

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Auntie Velvet

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6 minutes ago, JMO said:

An air embolism.  I like this idea.

I also remember that Sam didn't initially get tested because she had "a cold".  So a post-Covid clot would also do.  But the air embolism after diving is much more soapy.

They definitely floated the idea of an embolism while they were still working on her.  If that ends up being the cause, it will really devastate Alexis. 

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tessaray

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3 hours ago, nilyank said:

Sidwell has already sent one of his people to kill Isaiah and he was disguised as a hospital worker.

I'd mostly forgotten this. But that guy had followed Isaiah from Africa. Still seems farfetched for Sidwell's people to go after Lulu and Sam (and leave Jason and Lucky untouched) but whatever. I have a feeling any answer will be equally unsatisfying. 

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Winston Wolfe

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10 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:
10 hours ago, JMO said:

An air embolism.  I like this idea.

I also remember that Sam didn't initially get tested because she had "a cold".  So a post-Covid clot would also do.  But the air embolism after diving is much more soapy.

They definitely floated the idea of an embolism while they were still working on her.  If that ends up being the cause, it will really devastate Alexis. 

I'm grooving on this as an alternative theory, but wonder why Sam wouldn't have told Alexis (at least) and sworn her to silence. Not telling Molly and Kristina I get, but she probably would have shared this with her Mother in confidence.

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YaddaYadda

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22 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

I'm grooving on this as an alternative theory, but wonder why Sam wouldn't have told Alexis (at least) and sworn her to silence. Not telling Molly and Kristina I get, but she probably would have shared this with her Mother in confidence.

Alexis knew. She mentioned it ti Martin, I think, when she was in prison.

dubbel zout

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Wouldn't all of the endless pre-op tests have discovered the embolism? I know, this is GH, where medical competence is a plot point, but something that serious shouldn't have been missed, even by Portia. I had a tiny pulmonary embolism that showed up in a CT scan (the first radiologist missed it, but I was in a drug trial at the time and the trial radiologist spotted it, probably because she was looking for exactly something like that). And it also doesn't reflect well on Sam if she didn't mention that she'd been diving recently. 

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Alexis knew.

Alexis knew Sam was looking for the gun to help clear Alexis's name, but I don't think any sort of side effect from the dive was ever discussed, was it?

But we're going to get the stupidest possible reason for Sam's death, i.e., Sidwell.

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40 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

Anyone else think it's weird that Ric hasn't had a single scene with MB? His on screen brother!? Ric's Ava's lawyer in the custody case and her lawyer in the case of Sonny's daughter flying out a metro court window. 

What's up with that? 

They have, at least one in Ava's art gallery some weeks back.

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SOB……I just watched Thursday and I’m still crying actual tears but I thought it was really well done.  The looks between Jason and Elizabeth, Alexis getting in the bed with Sam. Obviously Nancy hit it out of the park as we know she can, but I also have to hand it to Steve.  He brought it today and I appreciate him for that.

 

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1 hour ago, sacrebleu said:

Anyone else think it's weird that Ric hasn't had a single scene with MB? His on screen brother!? Ric's Ava's lawyer in the custody case and her lawyer in the case of Sonny's daughter flying out a metro court window. 

What's up with that? 

That's not true. They had a scene together at the Jerome Gallery with Ava.

NLG better get an Emmy for Alexis grieving Sam. The scene today of Kristina and Molly really crying and holding onto their mom as she crumbled was just absolutely gut-wrenching. 

KSt and BA made me cry, too. Maxie and Spinelli's stunned reaction and instant tears when Jason told them ... the three of them crying together ... was really well done. It seemed like BA sobbing when Spinelli hugged Maxie.

GF is wonderful in Grandma mode; Laura's talk and prayer with crying, guilt-stricken Rocco was beautiful.  I totally believe Rocco is heartbroken over the death of his stepmother-to-be.

It's so weird to see Carly more emotional over Sam's death than Sam's own son. I wonder if it was a directing choice or an actor's choice to have Danny stuff all his emotions into "taking care of Scout" because he knows that's what his mom would want. I think he was supposed to be crying on Jason's shoulder in the last moment but not sure I saw actual tears. 

Is CM genuinely incapable of emoting? I barely saw a hint of glisten in his eyes as Drew comforted poor Scout.

Sonny calling Dante and Sam with the three kids a "beautiful family" when he didn't ever spend time with them made me roll my eyes. I get that Dante's feeling a ton of guilt but the "why didn't I propose sooner" stuff was over the top for me.

ETA: The Holly-Robert scenes felt really out of place and Robert letting Holly kiss him - not just a peck - was a WTF moment. Between that and all the flashbacks, it made me wonder if ES is saying goodbye to the Show forever, and/or if TR is starting an exit storyline. 

 

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Desperado said:

I loved the H/R from the flashbacks but I don’t understand this walk down memory lane unless it’s to respectfully usher Tristan out.

I have assumed it’s a farewell tribute to Holly. We know Emma Samms has struggled with her health in recent years*, and maybe she’s decided she’s no longer up to the soap grind. (Or maybe TPTB have decided they’re done with Holly, who knows.) Sidwell just arrived, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Holly is his next victim. But this is just conjecture. It could be Tristan leaving.

*It’s been well reported, but for anyone who may have missed it, ES has had a real battle with long COVID. It’s made it hard for her to stand, or even speak, for extended periods, and has also caused some heart damage. It’s really quite sad.

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23 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

NLG better get an Emmy for Alexis grieving Sam. The scene today of Kristina and Molly really crying and holding onto their mom as she crumbled was just absolutely gut-wrenching. 

Definitely. My big hope out of this storyline is that Kristina and Molly stop screeching at each other and start getting along

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YaddaYadda

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1 minute ago, DanaK said:

Definitely. My big hope out of this storyline is that Kristina and Molly stop screeching at each other and start getting along

It's a good possibility since Molly said that the last time they saw Sam, she was storming out because of her and Kristina fighting and that she'll regret it for the rest of her days. 

I really hate Holly. I never ever thought I'd say that, but here we are. Stop talking about leaving and leave already. I feel like those scenes are so out of place. At the same time, I'm a bit worried that Sidwell will kill Robert. Honestly, if Sidwell killed Sam, a very large part of the blame should fall on Holly. If she hadn't stolen those diamonds, he wouldn't have followed her.

Drew sucks as a parent. That's another character I hate. Holly should take him with her when she leaves or Sidwell can bump him off on his way out. I thought the little girl who plays Scout did a bang up job. She's not bawling her eyes out, but you can tell she's grief-stricken. 

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Blackie

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I haven't been watching regular for awhile (I cut the cord) but I looked up the Sam scenes. There was some good acting but too many with the "no Sam's not dead,I just saw her and she was fine so she can't be dead" response. It got a bit monotonous. For sure it would be shocking to people since she was not expected to die but not everyone is going to do the big denial speech.

dubbel zout

dubbel zout

Oh, lord, more of Holly's whingeing? She and Robert aren't saying anything they haven't said in the past three days. "Domesticity is not my strong suit," says the woman who has two children.

"The Secret" crap of putting something out in the universe and it will happen has a lot to answer for. That aside, I thought the Laura/Rocco scenes were really well-written. They didn't have Laura talk down to Rocco or dismiss his feelings. The prayer was nice as well.

Color me shocked Drew remembered he had a daughter and went to talk to her about Sam. Of course he doesn't mention himself when he was listing family members who would help Scout through things.

8 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

NLG better get an Emmy for Alexis grieving Sam. The scene today of Kristina and Molly really crying and holding onto their mom as she crumbled was just absolutely gut-wrenching. 

She's doing a great job. It's too bad Alexis has no one else to grieve with except her daughters, who have their own baggage to deal with. Diane is her best friend, but a best friend isn't the same as family. Alexis has no other (appropriate) family in PC aside from Molly and Kristina. That's depressing on a lot of levels. 

2 minutes ago, DanaK said:

My big hope out of this storyline is that Kristina and Molly stop screeching at each other and start getting along

I'll be happy if they stop screeching at each other. They're unbearable.

15 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Sonny calling Dante and Sam with the three kids a "beautiful family" when he didn't ever spend time with them made me roll my eyes.

Sonny's all talk and no action. When he said "we'll get you through this to Dante," I thought, Please. You'll treat them to ice cream or cook them dinner, but you won't do any of the hard emotional supporting.

39 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I get that Dante's feeling a ton of guilt but the "why didn't I propose sooner" stuff was over the top for me.

Same. They were already fully committed to each other and their life together. Marriage at this point was a formality at best.

I don't mind Danny's more muted reaction to Sam's death. We already have a lot of people with big emotions. 

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Auntie Velvet

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I wonder if Drew will drop out of the race to be there for Scout? I would rather they let all three kids be raised by Dante and NuLu, but I guess in the short-term could give the show an excuse to keep Drew and not mess up his big love triangle.

Speaking of,

Spoiler

it looks like Nina is confiding more about that situation with Ava tomorrow. Summer Ava would be a bad person to tell those kinds of secrets to, but I think Autumnal Ava is back to good-girlfriend mode.

 

7 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Alexis knew she went diving for the gun, but nothing about side effects was discussed. 

I'm struggling to remember if she knew Sam, specifically, was diving.

Sam "floated" (sorry) the idea of personally doing a dive for the gun weeks ago, but whoever it was she talked to about it didn't want her risking her safety because of strong currents.

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3 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Holly is a self-deluded pathological liar narcissist thief. Robert should have security escort her from the building before she steals his stapler and frames the janitor for it. I would rather they have Robert take a job near Robin and Patrick if he needs to exit the show.  

It seems odd that they would give him a daughter in order to do that. I wish that he and Anna would stop going for sub-par romantic partners and just get back together!

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JMO

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All around good performances today, to the point where I could forget for a moment that I'd known this was coming and actually relate to the shock of the unexpected.  NLG, GF and FC (Rocco) stood out for me.

Robert and Holly.  I really hope there is not a plan for them to ride off into the sunset together.  How can Holly profess her undying love and her fear that he might not return it, when the only reason she came back to PC was because she was ushered on to that WSB jet with the others, and the only reason she told Robert about Sasha was Sasha's relationship with Cody?  She didn't come back for Robert, and she had no intention of being honest with him.  Don't fall for it, Robert!  Bring Anna back to slap him upside the head and knock some sense back into him.  

 

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FilmTVGeek80

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Once again, I thought (from what I saw of them) the Robert/Holly scenes were well-written (and well-acted), but they just felt misplaced in this episode, just like on Fridays. Not to mention, they were kind of redundant. The last time Holly left, the two also had highly emotional scenes that felt like a final goodbye. I don't think they had flashbacks, but still. I don't hate Holly as so many others do, but I hope this is a final goodbye. Otherwise, the scenes feel even more pointless. I hope this isn't a swan song for Robert. I would hate for him to forgive her & take her back that fast. Plus, what is the point of connecting Sasha to them and having BOTH of them leave? Yeah, she'd still have other Scorpios to bond with, but not having her parents there feels like it'd be a wasted opportunity.

Someone said NLG is too good at these scenes, and it's depressing. Well, you are definitely right, and you will not want to watch her scenes today. I thought BA would be the one to make me tear up, but NLG got there first. When she started sobbing about how she didn't have the bandwidth to handle her grief and comfort, Molly and Kristina, she kept apologizing before completely losing it - I lost it. And when she let out that wail of grief before hugging both of them - puddle on the floor. I cried harder than I did with the previous episodes. I also really loved how, when we came back from the scene, she was clutching onto her two remaining daughters.

I understand that Rocco's desire for Lulu to survive, if it was a choice between her and Sam, was somewhat natural and didn't make him a terrible person. He's just a kid. But it still surprised me, and I completely understand why he felt guilty about it.

I liked the scenes between Scout and Drew. Some people (actors/real people) aren't big tear shedders. I thought Drew seemed emotional and heartbroken for his daughter. He was very gentle with her and tried to provide the appropriate answers. She clearly needed and wanted him there, and his words brought comfort to her. I liked that he described how big her support system was.

I liked the sense between Spin, Maxie, and Jason. I do fondly remember how they and Sam were pretty close at one time. With those scenes, I didn't start crying until the hug between Jason and Spinelli. Jason isn't a big hugger, but that was a long one between them, and you could feel how broken up they were and how they both needed that. When Spin broke down in Maxie's arms, more tears flowed.

DZ was great once again. Sonny is so often a waste of space, but he actually gave Dante some great advice when he told him he had to pull him through this and not rely on someone else to save him. 

I'm as tired of Molly/Kristina bickering as many others are, but I hope Sam's death doesn't lead to an automatic reconciliation. I hope it starts the process. They've both said and done things to each other that will be hard to get over. But they do love each other and are going to need each other—not just for their sake but to get their mother through this. Constantly sniping at each other accomplishes nothing.

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1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

wonder if Drew will drop out of the race to be there for Scout? I

Not a prayer. Hell ‘comfort’ her for a day or two and then jump back on the campaign trail. After all, he owes it to his ‘mentor and father figure’ McConkey! Notice how not once did he mention himself when talking about all the people who are there to support Scout? 🙄

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1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

It seems odd that they would give him a daughter in order to do that. I wish that he and Anna would stop going for sub-par romantic partners and just get back together!

I've always been more of a Robert/Anna fan than Robert/Holly. For some reason, the show for the last few years has downplayed the love Robert/Anna had. It seems clear they've positioned Holly as the love of his life and, like the dynamic between Robert/Anna, as grumpy exes who still have affection for each other. I can't remember the last time the show even hinted at the possibility they might get back together. I'm not sure if this is because FH is on contract, while TR isn't and preferred to pair her with other contract players. I liked Anna/Finn together, but when Finn and Alexis slept together, I wanted them to pair them up and put Anna back with Robert. I've never enjoyed the Anna/Valentin pairing.

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JMO

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7 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I've always been more of a Robert/Anna fan than Robert/Holly. For some reason, the show for the last few years has downplayed the love Robert/Anna had. It seems clear they've positioned Holly as the love of his life and, like the dynamic between Robert/Anna, as grumpy exes who still have affection for each other. I can't remember the last time the show even hinted at the possibility they might get back together. I'm not sure if this is because FH is on contract, while TR isn't and preferred to pair her with other contract players. I liked Anna/Finn together, but when Finn and Alexis slept together, I wanted them to pair them up and put Anna back with Robert. I've never enjoyed the Anna/Valentin pairing.

I feel the same.  You may be right about why we haven't had a romance between Anna and Robert again.  It may be the difference in their contract status (which could be remedied), it could be that the difference in their ages is more visible now. Still I would have liked it.   At the very least, I would have liked more frequent interaction between them, maybe a caper or three.  Robert's absence from Anna's life was glaring in the aftermath of her shooting Charlotte, then her misguided alliance with Jason (and the charging of Sonny for beating Cyrus, which I guess we're all forgetting about), her running off to find Lucky.  Maybe TR wasn't up to it, but the storyline begged for it.  

If Sidwell comes for Sasha, maybe we'll get one more Scorpio adventure.  I'd love to see Robert, Anna, Mac, Felicia and Cody working together.  I guess we can include Holly, too.

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dkb

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Watched this episode through tears too. Everyone is doing a good job reacting to Sam's death, but Alexis is just heartbreaking. 

Scout is so precious with her drawing and I love the little family Dante and Sam made with their children so liked seeing Rocco in Scouts picture.

Carly is surprisingly not annoying me as she usually is. I liked her conversation with Danny.

Robert deserves better, and if it's true that Sidwell targeted Sam because of the diamonds she stole, everyone better lay into her. You can be a commitment phobic, world traveling, not like the other women, women but don't be an asshole Holly.

I wasn't born when Robert/Holly was a thing so I also assumed Robert/Anna was the bigger deal,when Robert came back and Robin saw him in the hospital but twitter seems to think that Robert/Holly is the OTP.

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Winston Wolfe

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11 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Sidwell is in the promo clip of this week.

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He made it to PC and he is at the Qs grabbing Sasha.

What the Hey????  She has nothing to do with the Africa caper or even anyone adjacent to it!  Guess this gets Robert, Mac and Cody involved, too. I suppose it's gonna be a 90s-style GH action S/L where almost everyone is in play.

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Give NLG and DZ all the awards. Everyone else (OK, mostly everyone else) was good as well, but the two of them have been on a whole other level. 

I so want Danny and Scout to say that they would prefer to stay with Dante and Rocco instead of going to their fathers. 

When Holly said she's never loved anyone as much as Robert, I said to my TV "except for yourself and money, apparently."  

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Hold on one second while my head stops spinning around really fast - Holly's mother?? They resurrected Holly's biological mother who died when Holly must have been 10 years old or something?  When Holly came on the show in 1982 her mother was gone, she was raised by Nanny McTavish and Holly's father who was an inlaw to the family of con artists.  Holly's first con on her own was as an alluring young woman who would con Luke and Port Charles.  (And dontcha know that Anna's nanny was Nanny McTavish - and Nanny McTavish's son was Cesar Faison.  Another magical rewrite by the idiot revisionists from way back when.

Anyway - does anyone have more info on this Sasha's grandma thing? Thanks.

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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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