Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, LexieLily said:

I am not a fan of Not-Drew AT ALL but what is Jason doing telling both of the kids about Sam? He barely knows Scout. (For that matter he barely knows Danny but at least Jason is Danny's dad.)

Jason knows Scout because he moved back in with Sam, Danny and Scout after Sam divorced Drew. Not sure if he was ever her legal stepfather though - maybe someone with a better memory than I have can confirm if Sam re-married and then re-divorced Jason. Sam and Jason acted like he was the father of both kids for the years Drew was presumed dead (from when Billy Miller got fired 'til CM returned as "Drew"). They would say "our kids" or "the kids." However, Scout was close to/had Dante as a father figure by the time nuDrew arrived. She had to be re-introduced to him because she was much younger when BM's Drew was presumed dead. 

[TVbitch]

Dante got me today. His sudden bursts of tears seemed very real. And I must say, KeMo was doing some extremely impressive corpse acting today cuz NO WAY IN HELL is DZ leaning over me and kissing me twice on the lips without my lips responding in kind. 🔥😁

[FilmTVGeek80]

41 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I don't blame Sasha for telling Cody what Willow had told her. It was an impossible situation for Sasha, who had been in a relationship with Michael and still cared about him. Willow should not have asked her to keep the secret. And as  @dubbel  zout said, it's generally understood that partners tell each other everything.

And while Sasha feels terrible about what she did, she's not the adulterer, Michael is.

I don’t know if couples have to tell each other everything. I’ve seen shows have debates about this (granted they were comedies like Friends and Seinfeld.) I tend to tell my husband everything, if it’s something concerning him. But, if a friend told me something in confidence I wouldn’t feel the need to tell my partner. I don’t have an issue with Sasha telling Cody. She did it right after it happened because she needed to vent and figure out what to do. I think she should have told Willow that she had told Cody. I don’t recall Willow even begging Sasha to keep it secret. Sasha didn’t seem like she had any intention of saying anything. And, it doesn’t seem like she has any issue (so far) with keeping her friend in the dark about sleeping with her husband. 
 

As far as sleeping with Michael, the married spouse does have more culpability,  but in a situation like this where Sasha is friends with the other party, she has her share of culpability, too.

[Nique]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

I don't blame Sasha for telling Cody what Willow had told her. It was an impossible situation for Sasha, who had been in a relationship with Michael and still cared about him. Willow should not have asked her to keep the secret. And as  @dubbel  zout said, it's generally understood that partners tell each other everything.

And while Sasha feels terrible about what she did, she's not the adulterer, Michael is.

He's been okay at time but he also manipulated Georgie to be a brat to Austin because he wanted to break up Maxie's relationship with Austin so i don't consider him in the Mac category.j

He also abandoned Georgie first with Ellie then Maxie cause he wanted to continue chase after his bitch Jason & his burnt shadow. He ani't no good father and he would never have gave Georgie to Maxie if Ellie didn't dump his sorry ass, for continue to run to P.C not to bring Georgie to see her mom but to run behind Jason & do his dirty work. She was raising her and she finally got fed up with his shit. I remember it clearly cause Maxie was making poor put upon ass clown to be some victim and Ellie the bad guy. I didn't even like Ellie's ass either along with the baboon and rat but it irked the hell out of me cause Maxie treats him like a glorified invalid who is 5 and can't do no wrong.

[graight]

Man, I'm only 15 minutes in and haven't stopped crying yet.  What the hell, show?

[Sake614]

5 hours ago, backhometome said:

Out of the kids Rocco did the best with the reaction. Danny's actor is too smiley. I was shocked Rocco could have more than a blank expression for once. He was better than MB. 

Was just coming on to say the same thing. Why was Danny smiling when he was just told his mother is dead? Rocco behaved more like Sam’s son than her own son.

i liked the chapel scenes when Rocco said that he was jealous of Scout and Danny for having their mother around and wished it could be his mom. Of course he feels bad about it now but it’s a normal reaction. I’m in my 60s and still have twinges when I see friends whose fathers are still alive or whose mothers are healthy when mine isn’t. Of course I’m happy for them, but there’s always a small part of me asking ‘why not me?’ So I completely get it.

Drew is a complete and total ***********. His reaction to hearing his ex-wife and mother of his child is dead was no different from anything else. If anything he was more emotional when the congressman died! Can we please drop ship CM to another planet? Or at least back to Hallmark? He’s so bad!

once again I was a blubbering mess throughout most of todays show. Dante going in to be with Sam, Alexis breaking the news to her two nitwit daughters who can’t seem to stop fighting for even 30 seconds, the cold, calm way she informed Laura that no, nothing happened to Lulu. That it was HER daughter who died. 

MB didn’t display any emotion either. Sonny tried to comfort Alexis and Dante but just had a blank expression on his face the whole time. 🙄

so Portia finally said they’re going to do an autopsy, not just ‘investigate.’ I’m reallly surprised they didn’t keep Sam on life support in case Alexis wanted to donate other organs.  Or was that not a possibility since she’d been gone for 30 minutes while they tried to resuscitate her? Surely Sam would have wanted others to have the chance for a healthy life if she was a match.

the Holly/Robert flashbacks were nice but she can still disappear tomorrow and I wouldn’t miss her. And really those scenes could have taken place on Monday or Tuesday to allow more of Sam’s friends and relatives to hear and react to the news. previews show Jason telling Spinelli, so I hope Maxie gets equal time. And of course Michael and Joss have to get their screen time as well. Michael SHOULD have an emotional response because he and Sam used to be very close. After all, she’s the one who helped him lose his virginity to what’s her face, the stripper who was killed by a crane. 

[Josh371982]

34 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Was just coming on to say the same thing. Why was Danny smiling when he was just told his mother is dead? Rocco behaved more like Sam’s son than her own son.

i liked the chapel scenes when Rocco said that he was jealous of Scout and Danny for having their mother around and wished it could be his mom. Of course he feels bad about it now but it’s a normal reaction. I’m in my 60s and still have twinges when I see friends whose fathers are still alive or whose mothers are healthy when mine isn’t. Of course I’m happy for them, but there’s always a small part of me asking ‘why not me?’ So I completely get it.

Drew is a complete and total ***********. His reaction to hearing his ex-wife and mother of his child is dead was no different from anything else. If anything he was more emotional when the congressman died! Can we please drop ship CM to another planet? Or at least back to Hallmark? He’s so bad!

once again I was a blubbering mess throughout most of todays show. Dante going in to be with Sam, Alexis breaking the news to her two nitwit daughters who can’t seem to stop fighting for even 30 seconds, the cold, calm way she informed Laura that no, nothing happened to Lulu. That it was HER daughter who died. 

MB didn’t display any emotion either. Sonny tried to comfort Alexis and Dante but just had a blank expression on his face the whole time. 🙄

so Portia finally said they’re going to do an autopsy, not just ‘investigate.’ I’m reallly surprised they didn’t keep Sam on life support in case Alexis wanted to donate other organs.  Or was that not a possibility since she’d been gone for 30 minutes while they tried to resuscitate her? Surely Sam would have wanted others to have the chance for a healthy life if she was a match.

the Holly/Robert flashbacks were nice but she can still disappear tomorrow and I wouldn’t miss her. And really those scenes could have taken place on Monday or Tuesday to allow more of Sam’s friends and relatives to hear and react to the news. previews show Jason telling Spinelli, so I hope Maxie gets equal time. And of course Michael and Joss have to get their screen time as well. Michael SHOULD have an emotional response because he and Sam used to be very close. After all, she’s the one who helped him lose his virginity to what’s her face, the stripper who was killed by a crane. 

Abby! LOL. Liked her way more than Brother Hopper Kiki and more than wanna be uncle fucker Willow 

[Tenshinhan]

Dominic was awful today.  So over the top.  I think the writers might be more to blame though.  There's only so much the actors can do with shit dialogue and storytelling.

I did not realize that Laura was a Catholic.

I like the Danny actor, and think he works well with Jason and Scout.  I don't mind how smiley he was; people react to death in different ways.

[Cheyanne11]

5 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

Dominic was awful today.  So over the top.

I couldn't disagree more.  He broke my heart.  

Also good: the Laura/Rocco scenes.  That kid is miles better than Danny actor, bless his heart.

Final scene of Alexis with her arms around Molly and Kristina was devastating.

I wonder if Portia keeps saying 'investigation' as that's the official speak of the hospital.  

Finally, because I was getting annoyed at the lapse, we get Carly's reaction.  I mean, if something happens in PC and she's not immediately alerted, has it even really happened? /s

 

[Artsda]

Kristina came to do something for her sister and Molly needed to go after her for not reading an email.  Molly is looking worse here. But poor Alexis now stuck with these two. 

Jason is telling the news to Scout? She should not even be calling him uncle or remember him. Drew too.  These people are strangers to her. Forcing both brothers in is eye rolling. 

Dante with Sam was so sad. Rocco with Laura too. 

Sam would have been the donor if it was anyone. Dante needs to not blame himself. 

Scout and Danny now stuck with those deadbeats hopefully they stay with Dante or Q's. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Ugh, just leave town now, Holly. Your apologies and excuses are worthless.

Just what is the point of Holly going back to about their marriage? She’s acting as if she didn’t return in ‘91, 2006, AND last year! And that she got pregnant with Sasha right after finding out about Robin. I couldn’t make out half of what she meant with the before and after nonsense word salad. And NO WAY will I believe Robert cheated on Anna-they were MARRIED when they “blew up” and were presumed dead. Though I did love those flashbacks of HAWT Robert!Scorpio!🥰😍🥰😍🥰😍🥰😍😍

5 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Sasha’s her friend, so I do think the bare minimum she owed her was telling her that there was someone else out there who knew her secret and could blow her life apart. Though, in Sasha’s defense I don’t think it occurred to her that Cody would tell anyone.

True, but par for the course for this FAKATA show, the recording happened because James told Ned about the same conversation and he hired the P.I. who caught it on tape.

[JMO]

Reaction to the reactions:

I actually thought Drew's immediate reaction was the most realistic, because he had to spend several seconds trying to make sense of the words that had just been said to him.  But after that, he moved too quickly into reminiscing.  No one goes from completely stunned to acceptance that quickly.

I thought it was well done that Danny read the look on Jason's face and knew immediately that something was gravely wrong.

I agree with others that the Laura/Rocco scenes were excellent, and Rocco (sorry, too many kid actors, I don't know their names yet) delivered.  I thought the dialogue was particularly well written. 

No surprise that DZ hit the right notes with Dante's scenes, especially in the hospital room.  For me, the Dante/Sam relationship has never been particularly flashy, but rather boringly solid, like most relationships.  Which means he will mourn deeply.

NLG's portrayal of Alexis hitting that wall of numbness after grief, yet meeting her maternal responsibilities was spot on.  I thought Molly's stunned silence was a more realistic reaction than Kristina's.  Watching Molly get excited for Sam about the engagement and then immediately remembering the circumstance was heart-rending.

Many soaps will devote the entire episode to a major event like this one, and I wish GH had.  As much as I love Robert Scorpio, I could have waited until Monday to see him with Holly.  And please, show, do not send him off into the sunset with her.  

 

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[Daisy]

You know. we kinda always say "Carly is always involved" somehow - but if someone important to me died, im going to call my best friend and for Jason that's Carly so that makes 100 percent sense. 

[Auntie Velvet]

55 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

Dominic was awful today.  So over the top.  I think the writers might be more to blame though.  There's only so much the actors can do with shit dialogue and storytelling.

Wow, I thought he was just amazing. 

[Sake614]

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Dominic was awful today

Were we watching the same show? I thought he was great and I was crying thru his whole scene with Sam.

[sashabear21]

Argh GH writers!!  Cardiac arrest and a heart attack are not the same thing! A simple google search could have told them this. I know it’s a common mistake, but it’s a pet peeve of mine. Jason of all people actually explained it more correctly when he said her heart stopped (maybe he’s having Jason Q flashbacks of med school). 
 

Good job with the acting today as the fallout from Sam’s death is happening but I really wish they would get her down to the morgue, or to the Cassadine’s deep freeze lab. 

[ciarra]

I just wanted Alexis, on the couch with Molly and Kristina, to shout, "Why couldn't it have been one of you instead?!"

Dante was shortchanged here, in favor of Jason (no surprise).  Jason gets the couple song, he gets the flashbacks, he gets the first reaction.  Dante gets to find out the next soap day. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

Okay, this is moot, but Chase, do please STFU about offering Dante marriage advice.

He was married before, and he he knows what to do and what not.

At least we were saved from Cujo rushing to the hospital to make Sam’s death about her. Though I 😒🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄😒 at her line about respecting Sam even when she hated her. Really? Really??? Respecting her would have been to step back and not keep interfering in her and Jason’s marriage, you lying heifer.

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[Sake614]

They had to throw the Jasam fans a bone 🤣 seriously though it makes sense. Sam snd Jason were together for most of her run and they were a very popular couple. She and Dante have only been together for a couple of years and their relationship has been mostly in the background. I hope we get some nice Maxie/Sam flashbacks 

[bybrandy]

Agreed that Rocco was really good in his scenes. Scout was good. Danny had moments of good and moments of less good. 
 

I thought Laura’s initial reaction was fine but at the couch I wanted Alexis to slap her in the face. But those scenes with Laura and Rocco were so good. 
 

Drew can miss me with the not immediately going to wherever his daughter was in the world. Yes that was a writing decision but it was one that made me angry at Drew. 
 

Jason was fine telling the kids but he should have called Drew first. Carly need not be involved. 
 

I thought Holly and Robert’s scenes were fine but they shouldn’t have been in this episode. Weirdly I didn’t feel that way about Max and Spin. And I thought they hit the Zenón joke a little too hard but I liked it when I saw the costume. 
 

im usually team Molly between the sisters but thought she was obnoxious until Alexis arrived. Both gestures were nice. Both were appropriate. 
 

But I thought Kristina was too broad. I get the character is more emotional but….

 

DZ hit it out of the park and I probably like MB in scenes with NLG and DZ best so he worked as well here for me as he’s going to be able to. I didn’t love him but he fit in the episode more seemlessly than Carly. 
 

I liked when Georgie perked up to hear about Aunt Georgie. It was a small moment but it worked for me and I’m not a huge fan of kid Georgie because I blame her name for us not being able to ever get back adult Georgie. 

[ByaNose]

3 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Dominic was awful today.  So over the top.  I think the writers might be more to blame though.  There's only so much the actors can do with shit dialogue and storytelling.

I did not realize that Laura was a Catholic.

I like the Danny actor, and think he works well with Jason and Scout.  I don't mind how smiley he was; people react to death in different ways.

Really? I thought DZ was amazing today. We must have been watching two different shows. That said, we’re all allowed our own opinion. The only one is wasn’t thrilled with was KM but it’s not really her fault. It’s what was written. The writers chose her to obnoxious up till the bitter end. They have really made Kristina so unlikable. I just hope KM did all her dead scenes with NLG and DZ in one day. I can’t imagine having to come in another day for that stuff. 

2 minutes ago, bybrandy said:

Agreed that Rocco was really good in his scenes. Scout was good. Danny had moments of good and moments of less good. 
 

I thought Laura’s initial reaction was fine but at the couch I wanted Alexis to slap her in the face. But those scenes with Laura and Rocco were so good. 
 

Drew can miss me with the not immediately going to wherever his daughter was in the world. Yes that was a writing decision but it was one that made me angry at Drew. 
 

Jason was fine telling the kids but he should have called Drew first. Carly need not be involved. 
 

I thought Holly and Robert’s scenes were fine but they shouldn’t have been in this episode. Weirdly I didn’t feel that way about Max and Spin. And I thought they hit the Zenón joke a little too hard but I liked it when I saw the costume. 
 

im usually team Molly between the sisters but thought she was obnoxious until Alexis arrived. Both gestures were nice. Both were appropriate. 
 

But I thought Kristina was too broad. I get the character is more emotional but….

 

DZ hit it out of the park and I probably like MB in scenes with NLG and DZ best so he worked as well here for me as he’s going to be able to. I didn’t love him but he fit in the episode more seemlessly than Carly. 
 

I liked when Georgie perked up to hear about Aunt Georgie. It was a small moment but it worked for me and I’m not a huge fan of kid Georgie because I blame her name for us not being able to ever get back adult Georgie. 

I thought the Robert and Holly scenes and flashbacks were great but whoever thought they should be apart of today’s show should be fired. They were so random. Any other day would have been fine but the through line was way off. 

[Corvino]

You don't have to be either Roman Catholic OR culturally appropriative to cross yourself in church. Some Episcopalians do it-- the "high" Episcopal church teaches it. (The "low" branch in which I was raised does not; I occasionally go to a small weekday service where everyone but me crosses themselves at certain points. I'd imitate them, but it would seem inauthentic to me.) I can see Laura coming from an Episcopalian family.

Or the writers may just be ignorant of sectarian Christian nuances. I still remember an adaptation of Dickens' "Our Mutual Friend" on PBS where the marriage service of the secondary lovers was done in a Latin the Church of England hadn't then used for more than three hundred years. Aargh!

[30 Helens]

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I don't blame Sasha for telling Cody what Willow had told her. It was an impossible situation for Sasha, who had been in a relationship with Michael and still cared about him. Willow should not have asked her to keep the secret.

Sasha knew what she knew because she witnessed it, not because Willow confided in her. And Sasha had every right to turn around and confide in Cody (who I believe was just a friend at the time, not a partner) about her conflicting feelings over alerting her friend Michael vs protecting her friend Willow. 

The only person who was wrong in this situation was Willow, who should have told her husband what happened, and was stupid for thinking it would remain a secret. But of course she didn’t tell Michael because she actually wants to do more with Drew— another thing that makes her stupid.

7 hours ago, Sake614 said:

I’m reallly surprised they didn’t keep Sam on life support in case Alexis wanted to donate other organs.  Or was that not a possibility since she’d been gone for 30 minutes while they tried to resuscitate her?

If I remember correctly from my Grey’s Anatomy classes, there is in fact a short window when organs can be harvested. I’m thinking maybe 10 minutes?

But of course we know the real reason there was no organ donation is there was no cast member currently in need of a transplant. (Other than Lulu, and she already done had herses.) Screw everyone else, if they’re not a FOC*, they’re not worthy.

*Friend of Carly

[YaddaYadda]

10 hours ago, Artsda said:

Kristina came to do something for her sister and Molly needed to go after her for not reading an email.  Molly is looking worse here. 

Kristina should've been "fine, I'll just take this stuff to the hospital. She can wear pjs instead of a hospital gown and read her books while having candy."

[backhometome]

You would never know Drew was ever married to Sam and had a child with her based on his non reaction. He was more upset when that congressman died. CM was awful. 

[Melgaypet]

Is Grieving Dante the hottest Dante?

[Desperado]

10 hours ago, ciarra said:

Dante was shortchanged here, in favor of Jason (no surprise).  Jason gets the couple song, he gets the flashbacks, he gets the first reaction.  Dante gets to find out the next soap day. 

I wonder if it’s the show’s way of saying Sam/Jason were her ultimate love story and Dante’s is Lulu since she’s about to wake up, to have the audience quickly forget about what was, for what’s to come?

I only saw DZ’s acting on the Instagram clip, when he came into Sam’s room (poor Kelly still lying there) and broke down. It looked over the top to me and I stopped watching. Maybe if I had watched the whole show, I would’ve seen it differently.

[Josh371982]

2 hours ago, backhometome said:

You would never know Drew was ever married to Sam and had a child with her based on his non reaction. He was more upset when that congressman died. CM was awful. 

He's thinking about how "devastated " he'll be to get His Nephews wife into bed, the disgusting pig that he is. 

[Bringonthedrama]

19 hours ago, CeChase said:

Oh me too!  Honestly if they don't write a scene with Alexis going for Laura's throat I'm not interested in the rest of this stuff. 

 

18 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

 I was annoyed at Laura when I saw the previews, but her reaction makes more sense in the scene. If she had only seen Alexis crying and reacted like that, it would have been weird. I don’t think she even saw Alexis. She sees Dante and Rocco crying. It makes sense she assumes it’s about Lulu. I also liked that later when Laura says something about how it shouldn’t have happened and Alexis agrees, you can see Laura realize that her being there isn’t helping and she leaves as soon as possible.

Alexis going after Laura (if that happens) is inconsistent with these two characters' history because of their long-time relationship as Nikolas' beloved mother and aunt. Laura tearfully thanked Alexis for doing the eulogy at Spencer's unnecessary grave marker/headstone. Alexis knows Sam wanted to be Lulu's donor out of love for Dante and Rocco because she told Alexis that to her face. Laura has only seen Sam long enough to say thank you. She never begged or pressured, let alone demanded that Sam save Lulu's life.

Yes, Laura saw Rocco sobbing on Dante's shoulder and then saw Dante crying and understandably thought something happened while the already very fragile Lulu was in post-op. Alexis had her back to all of them when Laura reacted to what she was seeing and asked about Lulu. I agree that Laura realized she needed to give Alexis space to grieve and speak to Dante alone. I thought the Laura - Rocco scene in the hospital was heartbreaking and very well done by the actors.  Laura knows exactly how Alexis feels in this moment because she herself has mourned for Lucky and Nikolas when she thought they were dead. 

[Cheyanne11]

Yeah, I'm on record as questioning the absurdity of a liver transplant for a patient who's been in a coma for four years, but it's obvious Laura feels awful about Sam.  I don't think Alexis going after her for something that Sam wanted to do would be in character at all, even in her devastated state.

[Winston Wolfe]

20 hours ago, Desperado said:

I couldn’t stomach the Alexis/Sam scenes so I stopped watching altogether. I also felt bad for Kelly having to lie there for so many scenes and not breathe much.

NLG and KeMo had such organic mother/daughter chemistry that I'm going to miss.  You could tell that there was real affection between the two.

16 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So is this going to end up being someone tampered with Sam's IV or something/same person who messed with Lulu's respirator?

Yes, a lot of folks don't think so, but I'm still calling Sidwell on both. He's got it in for Lucky and Jasus.

 

[DanaK]

10 hours ago, ByaNose said:

I just hope KM did all her dead scenes with NLG and DZ in one day. I can’t imagine having to come in another day for that stuff. 

I do think Friday was Kelly's last day per an article I read, though I don't remember the publication

On 10/31/2024 at 8:10 PM, Cheyanne11 said:

So is this going to end up being someone tampered with Sam's IV or something/same person who messed with Lulu's respirator?

Yeah, I think it's likely, or perhaps Sam's diving caused something to happen. Given the previous thing with Lulu's respirator, I don't think her death is transplant related

[dubbel zout]

15 hours ago, Sake614 said:

i liked the chapel scenes when Rocco said that he was jealous of Scout and Danny for having their mother around and wished it could be his mom.

Same, and I liked that Laura didn't scold Rocco for feeling that way. (Poor Rocco when Lulu does wake up. He won't know what to feel.)

15 hours ago, Sake614 said:

I’m reallly surprised they didn’t keep Sam on life support in case Alexis wanted to donate other organs.  Or was that not a possibility since she’d been gone for 30 minutes while they tried to resuscitate her?

The larger organs might not have been viable for donation, but I bet her corneas still would have been. That would have been a nice underlining of Sam's generosity, I agree. And for a story about organ donation, it's a very blatant omission. Did no one think to look at her driver's license?

13 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Good job with the acting today as the fallout from Sam’s death is happening but I really wish they would get her down to the morgue

I think it's been only a few hours at most since Sam died. It just feels longer, heh.

10 hours ago, bybrandy said:

the Zenón joke

Is that a character Kirsten Storms played? Otherwise, ✈️. (Joke flying over my head.)

9 hours ago, Corvino said:

Or the writers may just be ignorant of sectarian Christian nuances.

The writers are ignorant of any religious nuance. Everyone is the same.

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[Cheyanne11]

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

10 hours ago, bybrandy said:

the Zenón joke

Is that a character Kirsten Storms played? Otherwise, ✈️. (Joke flying over my head.)

https://people.com/kirsten-storms-tv-daughter-wears-zenon-costume-general-hospital-halloween-episode-8738703

I had no idea, either.