S14.E12: Fashion Show Faux Pas

[ghoulina]

6 hours ago, SuzWhat said:

Yeah. Ryan has had it tough. His mother has been on a reality show for 10 years he could have parlayed that into something. Simon got him a job years ago which he quit. Eddie gave him a job at the gym which he quit. He never grew up.  But it is every body’s adult but his. 

This is the major problem. He has not motivation and will not take accountability for ANYTHING in his life. I have a lot of sympathy for child-Ryan. Adult-Ryan has had plenty of time and opportunities to make something of his self. 

I just re-read Angela's Ashes and Tis; and Ryan needs to read these books. Frank McCourt was raised in an Irish slum and was literally starving half his childhood. He was surrounded by death, illness, alcoholism and eventually abandoned by his father at the age of 10. He never even went to high school and arrived in America as a young man with NOTHING. He worked his ass off and eventually became a teacher and a best-selling author. 

I don't want to hear your fucking sob story, Ryan. You're doing just fine. 

[JKL845]

No doubt Tamra is a shit mom who has done her best to screw up her kids. Ryan has squandered opportunities and has been an adult for awhile now, so it's on him to get the help he needs and to better his life now.

[Pretty5Vacant]

4 hours ago, KLJ said:

What about Adelaides' twin Stella? Was she there? I didn't see her

Lol, I called her Adelaide, shows how much I pay attention to their kids. I meant Adeline

[lamujerdecente]

2 hours ago, druzy said:

This bitch better not show up on my screen again. Even how she responds is at best elitist and at worst racist. Security guards in upscale venues wear suits and maybe it’s his company. 
see Ryan ? Imagine if you had that hard life and u in a suit, and some old Entitled hag wants to go into a restricted area and thinks she can call u a racial slur. 

[Kdawg82]

53 minutes ago, amarante said:

Ryan theoretically had the exact opportunities as Brianna/Michael. Certainly he would have been fully funded through college. He screwed up his opportunity at the Mercedes dealership - last time I checked working at a dealership - even in the service department or as a mechanic - gets you a very decent living.

^This! 

Mercedes mechanics can make around $72K a year. A salesman can make a handsome living also. 

Ryan then worked at CUT fitness and quit that once he found a woman with 3 kids and a gun store to presumably take care of him (IDK HOW?!). If Ryan isn't even out there (to be totally blunt and gross) trying to get laid (as he told Tams he isn't looking to date at all from lack of interest)- I blame depression.  

[sasha206]

On 10/22/2019 at 11:39 PM, islandgal140 said:

OK, so Brown Wind's big idea for her daughter whose eating disorder was fueled by being in the ballet world which is focused on thinness is to put her in the fashion world which is focused on .... thinness. The big difference between the dance world and the fashion world is that the fashion world has better drugs! Oh, and they are taller.

He can also grow balder and uglier. 

I wouldn't be surprised if crazy fashion show lady was offered an orange next season. I was so ready to be totally on her side but she got weirder and weirder and weirder and then bitch got on the mic. But you know what no the other hand, I was like ... it was what these bitches deserve, especially Kelly getting face checked with the mic. LOL!

What kills me is that given his political affiliation you just know that lil' bitch is out complaining about entitlement programs, welfare and socialist programs but yet he sits on national tv thinking the world wasn't properly laid out at his feet to allow him to succeed. Where are his boot straps at? 

Kelly's talking head of Gina looking like shit made my night.

Gina is such a bird and could get her and her kids killed failing to lock doors and shit.

I don't want to hear Gina talking 'bout her huzzband trying to get into her cookie jar. I half don't believe it and think she is lying to save face and look desirable.

Emily may have a good baby daddy but she got herself a shit husband.

OMG, 1000 times yes on both bolded.

I can't even believe Ryan is complaining about not having building blocks.  Remember when Simon tried to do exactly that?   Him being a loser is all on him.

Kelly is making this season for me.  The comment about Gina's hair had me laughing so hard.

And I don't believe for one minute that Matt is trying to get Gina back.  I think it's another of the "happy divorce" stories she's trying to sell.

[politichick]

23 hours ago, Dance4Life said:

Ryan lacks self starter skills. He is not a hustler.

We get it.  He is not an intellectual or motivated by formal education.

MONEY........ motivates all successful people.

Ryan has NEVER being cash flow poor or lack business opportunities. 

First, he had an opportunity to attend college. When he was 18.  Simon and Tamra were still well-off.  Tamra.....always remained well-off due to the show.

At the gym.....he was barely the towel boy. What is his face....Eddie....could not get him to do a darn thing.

How about starting a nice side business in his mom’s gym.....training people, selling nutritional products, running a juice bar, etc.

If he had the hustle.....could have sold insurance with Vicky and Michael.

He could buy any business and work that into an income that pays for a mortgage, 2 kids and a decent wife.

It could be anything.....even blue collar.....like an extermination business, car wash, bar, a Franchise, etc.

Despite a middle class+ upbringing.......he is an unmotivated male like Chlamydia Shep & Pillow Greg from Southern Charm. 

I don’t think they ever addressed his drug use.  I think he is a drug addict.

Then he burdens Tamra with his sob childhood story. He does this every season!

Why y’all falling for it?!  

She is the one bankrolling him.  Now, she will buy him a Life Coach! 🙄

He is a brat!  
 

Yea!  In the old days..... a Life Coach....was also known as Mom & Dad! 🖕🏻

Shep actually co-owns some restaurants and bars in Charleston and has an online clothing store that sells things like hats and t-shirts. He doesn't do 9-5, but unlike Ryan, he has money--inherited and earned. I don't think that if he didn't have all the advantages he's enjoyed that he would be a do-nothing like Ryan and I feel pretty confident he would be a lot more motivated than Craig.

But yeah, Ryan sucks big time.

[Dance4Life]

41 minutes ago, politichick said:

Shep actually co-owns some restaurants and bars in Charleston and has an online clothing store that sells things like hats and t-shirts. He doesn't do 9-5, but unlike Ryan, he has money--inherited and earned. I don't think that if he didn't have all the advantages he's enjoyed that he would be a do-nothing like Ryan and I feel pretty confident he would be a lot more motivated than Craig.

But yeah, Ryan sucks big time.

Of course, he does!  Just meant overall.   Plus, they have their own big salaries from SC.  
 

Ryan can have the same.....on a smaller financial scale.....but, no dice.

[Solokitty]

Ok, Bravo, please delete that poseur mother.  Physician heal thyself.  Cannot stand ones who dress like her "Look at me!  Look how quirky I am!"  As self-involved as she is, she did her daughter no favors when she was a child, and the result is that Braunwyn is doing the same thing to her own daughter with wearing the Bjork see-through costume on what is supposed to be the daughter's big night as a fashion designer.  Yuck.  Phony.  And double-phony to Dr. Deb who tried to get the attention on her.  Talk about drama queen.  I will give the kid credit for taking on the project and as Emily said finishing it.  Basic clothes, but all kadooz (tm Ramona) to her.

[dosodog]

4 hours ago, druzy said:

Maybe that's why Fashion Show Planner Kathy was having NONE of Brawny and Kelly's outrage.

She had talked to Mr. Keyes and knew his side of the incident.  IIRC, didn't she tell them to talk to him before coming at her?

[albarino]

I feel sorry for Ryan.  I understand he has had many opportunities.  Still, it is hard to take that your step-sibs have been given so many more opportunities than you have been given.  Second, you have been (apparently) abandoned by your mom at a young age.

We were a middle class family and then my parents got divorced when I was 15.  We became POOR.  I was old enough to understand nobody would take care of me and I took care of myself.  Worked jobs, put myself through college, have $$$ etc. But it still pisses me off when my Dad talks about my half-sibs who need $$ so he gives them airline tickets to Cabo for Christmas. I get chocolate-covered strawberries.  This is fine because I don't need airline tickets but my Dad doesn't get it.  Neither does Tamra.

[Marley GMA]

23 hours ago, Jel said:

Gina's getting more and more "two yoots" every week.

Fuggedabou it

I'm a Bronx, NY girl and her accent is KILLING even me : (

[Snarky McSnarky]

It's probably already been said, in which case I'll say it again:

Ryan didn't have his table all set for him when he became an adult?  Welcome to the fucking club, dimwit.  It's called life in the real world.

[Marley GMA]

20 hours ago, oceanview said:

I caught that about Dr. Deb also, but not quick enough.   It sounded to me like she either hesitated ever so briefly or stumbled over herself to NOT say a racist word describing the person.  She's a nut ---- we know she and daughter come from the same tree --- always need ALL the attention on them.  I swore I would not watch rest of the season, but I did catch the last few minutes  of this episode when I turned on the TV  and was  outraged at how horrible it was....again

She absolutely caught herself but she is not fooling anyone!

[Marley GMA]

On ‎10‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 12:41 PM, heatherchandler said:

Simon tried his best with Ryan, Tamra would go behind his back and undermine him.  And yet, while having this conversation, Tamra throws out something negative about Simon.  FUCK YOU Tamra, Simon didn't hate him, he attempted to set him straight and you now try to blame him? 

Let us also remember that Ryan was given over to grandma when Tamra first met Simon so she could have a fresh start or whatever she said.  She tossed him aside.  That's why he is a shell of a person.

Didn't Ryan even admit, in an earlier episode, IIRC, that Simon gave him tough love and that while he did not appreciate it then, he now realized he was right!

[Higgins]

23 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

It's probably already been said, in which case I'll say it again:

Ryan didn't have his table all set for him when he became an adult?  Welcome to the fucking club, dimwit.  It's called life in the real world.

He never said table set. He said building blocks. Simon was not the person to provide these to him . It was too late and too contentious. His mother and father failed him early. Some people overcome that neglect, others struggle.

[QQQQ]

2 hours ago, politichick said:

It could be anything.....even blue collar.....like an extermination business,

Wouldn't it be cruel to kill his own kind? 

[amarante]

5 minutes ago, Higgins said:

He never said table set. He said building blocks. Simon was not the person to provide these to him . It was too late and too contentious. His mother and father failed him early. Some people overcome that neglect, others struggle.

I agree with you because who can explain the total mystery of why some people manage to thrive in horrendous circumstances and some fail when seemingly given every advantage.

The problem I have with Ryan is that he STILL has advantages that most "adults" don't have and yet he still squanders them and while stating he doesn't want to act the victim does essentially that. 

Many if not most people were not given building blocks of one kind or another - maybe they were given were pushed to succeed academically but didn't have unconditional feelings of love so they have less than satisfactory relationships. 

The point I am trying to make is that you reach a certain age and look around and if for whatever reason your life isn't what you would like it to be, you try to take steps to remedy that. AGAIN Ryan has more advantages than many would in his situation - his mother is essentially begging him to take advantage of therapy she is willing to fund for him. I would bet that if he wanted to go back to school to learn ANYTHING - hell become an electrician or tool die cutter - his mother would give him the funds. 

I'm not sure what those building blocks he wasn't given were supposed to be and who he thinks got them.  Is he now wishing that he had Simon as a father all along - the irony since Tamra has never displayed any kind of growth except that she is now richer than she was when she was young. I don't know what Simon's actual background was but I suspect he is fairly self made - when we first met him, he was some kind of finance person at the Mercedes dealership - with all due respect to those in such positions, it is not necessary the kind of job someone coming from a truly "elite/privileged" background goes into. It's for those who are socially and professionally upwardly mobile. 

[KungFuBunny]

7 hours ago, Hiyo said:

Because pets occasionally have to poop, hair extensions don't.

6 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Tell that to Gina, 'cause her extensions look like shit.

10 hours ago, 65mickey said:

And why or why do these women with the long extensions drape them over one shoudler and then paw and stroke it like it is some kind of animal. I don't know why this bothers me but I want to scream yes it's still there now leave it alone! Every Housewives show has a couple of women with this habit. 

When Dr Deb's "Michael's yarn display do" is more appealing than ANY color extension, dye job, curly, straight, clip in, glue in, stapled in, sewn in, blow out hairstyle of Gina's - that's just sad.

The draping of the extension and patting is for several reasons. I compare it to Breast implants (the ones bought for non medical reasons like Tamra)

Let's just say I've got boobs. When they were growing in my teens - I was very self conscious and didn't like the attention it drew and dressed to cover. I do like to show some cleavage but even with let's say a V neck T-shirt - I have to be very careful and walk a very fine line - one centimeter too low and we're going to Hookerville. An adult woman who gets a boob job because she may not have been a C cup or they weren't perky enough - is going to want that attention and she will start dressing in tops that open to the navel with no bra - because you are going to DISPLAY those store bought boobs every chance you get.

With extensions it's the same. It also depends on the way it's been attached to your head. The patting occurs to make sure the tracks aren't visible or if it's a wig - that it isn't askew. You can't run your fingers through it from scalp to tip or tug on the hair too hard because that extension could come off. Pulling the long extension forward to drape - is for attention - you want eyes to be drawn to you. Gina's real hair is super short and super thin. It's brittle - I'm pretty sure she used the type of extensions that was glued in along tracks over a long period of time (think Brittney Spears when she shaved her head - and you could see all of those bald spots from overdoing it with extensions) I think this and the excessive bleaching - fried whatever was left of her hair - so she can't "grow" out her real hair to any length because it will just be a rat tail and she's too lazy to invest in the time to make her hair healthy

Edited October 24, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[Snarky McSnarky]

59 minutes ago, Higgins said:

He never said table set. He said building blocks. Simon was not the person to provide these to him . It was too late and too contentious. His mother and father failed him early. Some people overcome that neglect, others struggle.

I know Ryan never said it...I said it.  Ryan thinks he got a raw deal in life when he reached adulthood.  Yet he was handed a job in a Mercedes-Benz dealership when he had no education or training, and no real work history.  

[chenoa333]

I just started watching this episode yesterday (repeat) and although I'm proud of myself for lasting 20 minutes, I just have to say: I didn't see any major changes in Gina's hair other than it wasn't wavy anymore and it appeared thinner/less extensions. 

And Kelly, whose hairline is receding so far back, has no place criticizing Gina's hair. Kelly needs bangs to cover her balding hairline. 

[amarante]

Regarding hair extensions, I have been told that they can be itchy and you can’t reach your scalp to scratch which is why you see them patting the extensions as a way to relieve the discomfort. 

[FairyDusted]

On 10/23/2019 at 4:25 PM, MaggieG said:

The winner of the episode was Sophie. I loved how supportive she was of her sister.

Why in hell would a brain surgeon want to date Gina?

Research 

[65mickey]

I'm talking about the way they  stroke the bottom 1/3 of the extensions not their scalp. They pull it forward and run their hands over and over it. I have seen Nene do this, Kim Z. and Erica Jane among others. It's like they are saying look at me and my extensions.  I think it started with one of the Kardashians. 

[bravofan27]

4 hours ago, Kdawg82 said:

^This! 

Mercedes mechanics can make around $72K a year. A salesman can make a handsome living also. 

Ryan then worked at CUT fitness and quit that once he found a woman with 3 kids and a gun store to presumably take care of him (IDK HOW?!). If Ryan isn't even out there (to be totally blunt and gross) trying to get laid (as he told Tams he isn't looking to date at all from lack of interest)- I blame depression.  

To be fair, 72K isn't going to get you much of anything in OC, or CA for that matter. Ryan is a lot like Tamra. They aren't very smart, don't like to work, and enjoy partying and attention. We have never seen Tamra work in a real-world sense. I remember once seeing her with clients when she was showing houses, and she basically showed them a house and then sped to the bar and acted stupid as fast a possible. Tamra was able to get by with her looks (she is beautiful) and street smarts, and can hustle. Granted, in order to make money she does have to play into the male fantasy that grandmas have threesomes and have teen aged bodies, but I think that is something that she really does value. 

I think Tamra IS helping Ryan by getting him appearances on this show. Vicki tried for awhile to get Brianna to be hired on the show, which never happened. I think it was too expensive for Brianna to live in OC without a Bravo paycheck so she took off. Michael doesn't live in the OC either. 

Why is no one considering hooking Gina and Ryan up? Now that would be a reasonable couple. Gina's parents take care  of her, and Tamra will always make sure Ryan has a nice place to live and money.

[Teri313]

I used to really dislike Ryan back in the Simon and naked wasted days, and then when he hooked up w/that girl on social media and had to marry her and have a baby likethat. However, I think he is truly clinically depressed, and probably suffers from anxiety too. I don't know why he's on this show. I don't know if he needs the money or if Tamra coerces him into it. I actually feel very bad for him. I also don't think it helps when his pretentious little brother is held up as Tamra's "best work" (I believe those were her words) in front of the world (well, the Bravo audience anyway). Regardless, I do think he's very depressed and wish for his sake he'd distance himself from her and this show and get some help.

[JD5166]

7 hours ago, Higgins said:

WOW! That's really fucked up. 

I guess we know why Blandwind and her gross mother aren’t talking. I suppose she doesn’t want it harming the BEST F@@KING FAMILY, EVAH!!! How will she get her own show for her AWESOME FAMILY?! 😂

[chenoa333]

3 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Tamra was able to get by with her looks (she is beautiful)

So are thousands of other younger OC women. Tamra is average in the ocean of beautiful females here.

[KungFuBunny]

4 hours ago, amarante said:

Regarding hair extensions, I have been told that they can be itchy and you can’t reach your scalp to scratch which is why you see them patting the extensions as a way to relieve the discomfort. 

Regarding the discomfort - I wonder how hot it gets. The parts where the extensions lay are covering parts of your head and its pores. I'm picturing little rivulets of sweat meandering around the scalp.

[FairyDusted]

31 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Regarding the discomfort - I wonder how hot it gets. The parts where the extensions lay are covering parts of your head and its pores. I'm picturing little rivulets of sweat meandering around the scalp.

LOL! You watch MOM!!!!

Perfect fit KFB!!! 

[amarante]

1 hour ago, chenoa333 said:

So are thousands of other younger OC women. Tamra is average in the ocean of beautiful females here.

And until her lucky break as a housewife, she was just doing averagely well. Simon made a decent living but he wasn’t incredibly wealthy. If he really had wealth, losing his job wouldn’t have forced them into foreclosure and bankruptcy. 

Tamra is also considerably older than when she snagged Simon. 

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Regarding the discomfort - I wonder how hot it gets. The parts where the extensions lay are covering parts of your head and its pores. I'm picturing little rivulets of sweat meandering around the scalp.

I asked this question on another forum and was told that it is very uncomfortable. And you can’t reach your scalp to soothe it so the patting seems to help with the irritation. When you just have your own hair, it moves around your scalp more naturally. I know if I have restricted my hair in some manner, it feels so good to take the band or clips out so I can’t imagine what it is like to have pelts glued to my head 24/7. 

Edited October 25, 2019 by amarante

[KungFuBunny]

10 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

LOL! You watch MOM!!!!

Perfect fit KFB!!! 

Pssstt.....what's MOM?

[sasha206]

14 hours ago, Teri313 said:

I used to really dislike Ryan back in the Simon and naked wasted days, and then when he hooked up w/that girl on social media and had to marry her and have a baby likethat. However, I think he is truly clinically depressed, and probably suffers from anxiety too. I don't know why he's on this show. I don't know if he needs the money or if Tamra coerces him into it. I actually feel very bad for him. I also don't think it helps when his pretentious little brother is held up as Tamra's "best work" (I believe those were her words) in front of the world (well, the Bravo audience anyway). Regardless, I do think he's very depressed and wish for his sake he'd distance himself from her and this show and get some help.

Totally agree about clinically depressed. He said something to the effect he isn't excited about anything.  He is going through the motions in life.   He needs therapy and medication.  

[sasha206]

17 hours ago, albarino said:

I feel sorry for Ryan.  I understand he has had many opportunities.  Still, it is hard to take that your step-sibs have been given so many more opportunities than you have been given.  Second, you have been (apparently) abandoned by your mom at a young age.

We were a middle class family and then my parents got divorced when I was 15.  We became POOR.  I was old enough to understand nobody would take care of me and I took care of myself.  Worked jobs, put myself through college, have $$$ etc. But it still pisses me off when my Dad talks about my half-sibs who need $$ so he gives them airline tickets to Cabo for Christmas. I get chocolate-covered strawberries.  This is fine because I don't need airline tickets but my Dad doesn't get it.  Neither does Tamra.

Out of curiosity, what "many more opportunities" have his step siblings had?  I guess they've had a stable influence with Simon, but Simon tried to help Ryan and he wanted nothing of it.  

Ryan had a roof over his head, at least went to high school.  Then on a reality TV show at 21?  And has been on it off and on for several years.  Seems like he worked at his mom's gym for a while.  

I only feel sorry for him that his depression probably has never been addressed through therapy and medication.  And having Tamra for a mother.

[Higgins]

1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

Out of curiosity, what "many more opportunities" have his step siblings had?  I guess they've had a stable influence with Simon, but Simon tried to help Ryan and he wanted nothing of it.  

Ryan had a roof over his head, at least went to high school.  Then on a reality TV show at 21?  And has been on it off and on for several years.  Seems like he worked at his mom's gym for a while.  

I only feel sorry for him that his depression probably has never been addressed through therapy and medication.  And having Tamra for a mother.

They weren't passed around like he was. He was never a priority and probably suffered from neglect healthy caregiver attachment  as a toddler which is the key time for cognitive and social development. 

Edited October 25, 2019 by Higgins

[KungFuBunny]

10 hours ago, amarante said:

I asked this question on another forum and was told that it is very uncomfortable. And you can’t reach your scalp to soothe it so the patting seems to help with the irritation. When you just have your own hair, it moves around your scalp more naturally. I know if I have restricted my hair in some manner, it feels so good to take the band or clips out so I can’t imagine what it is like to have pelts glued to my head 24/7. 

A relative of mine has Lupus. For a short period of time she wore a full wig to cover the hair loss. She couldn't take it - she said it was like wearing a wool cap for 10 hours straight. When she first had on the wig - she was constantly touching it - because it was strange to her and she said because she was afraid it was crooked or might come off.

I've never known anyone who got those old style extensions where they attach spaghetti bundles near the scalp held in with glue and a clear pellet - but I've seen it on numerous videos (think back to Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Nicole Richie) - do people still do this? I think this "trend" ruined a lot of women's hair. Women who had to switch out and redo after x amount of weeks fried what hair they had left. To remove the old extensions - the glue/clear pellet had to be separated from your real hair and the some of the real hair would be pulled off in strands - and what hair got left - was broken and thinned.

Just a side thought - how does one have sex? The man can't touch your hair. If you're on top looking down, the guy can't run his fingers through your hair to pull it back away from your face. If you're going doggy style he can't give your hair a good tug from behind. Just picturing Gina, lying there like dead fish or else a floor (as she has no furniture) covered in stray bundles of hair.

[Portae]

First things first: I loathe Ryan. I think that he's racist and misogynistic and dangerous.

That being sad, I'm not giving Simon any props. He had no affection for Ryan, didn't come from a place of love with his "tough love," and didn't even factor into Ryan's life until much later. I don't actually fault Ryan for not being receptive to Simon's proposals: it might have been the right message, but from the wrong messenger.

That ALSO being said, Ryan is conflating a lack of emotional support (which can have lifelong consequences) with his own sense of white entitlement (likely promulgated by his political affiliates). He can acknowledge what he wasn't provided with and use that as a launch pad for thinking about how to proceed in life (just as people without trust funds have to think carefully about how to manage their money). Instead, Ryan sees this as having deprived him of a lifestyle that he otherwise deserved.

[Teri313]

34 minutes ago, Higgins said:

They weren't passed around like he was. He was never a priority and probably suffered from neglect healthy caregiver attachment  as a toddler which is the key time for cognitive and social development. 

If I recall, Tamra and Ryan's relationship throughout his childhood was more like buddies, just the two of them, and they were very close. So when she hooked up with Simon and he became the man in her life, and she started a whole new family with him, I'm sure Ryan felt jealous and abandoned by her. And Tamra kind of played them against each other. Simon did try to help Ryan get on a good path, but they probably should have done some family therapy to address why Ryan had such a chip on his shoulder.

[Teri313]

7 minutes ago, Portae said:

That ALSO being said, Ryan is conflating a lack of emotional support (which can have lifelong consequences) with his own sense of white entitlement (likely promulgated by his political affiliates).

Wow. SMH.

[Portae]

1 minute ago, Teri313 said:

Wow. SMH.

Not sure that I understand this. Care to clarify?

[Teri313]

2 minutes ago, Portae said:

Not sure that I understand this. Care to clarify?

Not really. I don't think we'll see eye to eye and I don't want to get banned from this forum.

[Portae]

Just now, Teri313 said:

Not really. I don't think we'll see eye to eye and I don't want to get banned from this forum.

Cool. Pretty sure that I've got the gist of your post quoting me anyway.

[Higgins]

27 minutes ago, Teri313 said:

If I recall, Tamra and Ryan's relationship throughout his childhood was more like buddies, just the two of them, and they were very close. So when she hooked up with Simon and he became the man in her life, and she started a whole new family with him, I'm sure Ryan felt jealous and abandoned by her. And Tamra kind of played them against each other. Simon did try to help Ryan get on a good path, but they probably should have done some family therapy to address why Ryan had such a chip on his shoulder.

She gave up caring for him as primary at least twice in early childhood.

30 minutes ago, Portae said:

First things first: I loathe Ryan. I think that he's racist and misogynistic and dangerous.

That being sad, I'm not giving Simon any props. He had no affection for Ryan, didn't come from a place of love with his "tough love," and didn't even factor into Ryan's life until much later. I don't actually fault Ryan for not being receptive to Simon's proposals: it might have been the right message, but from the wrong messenger.

That ALSO being said, Ryan is conflating a lack of emotional support (which can have lifelong consequences) with his own sense of white entitlement (likely promulgated by his political affiliates). He can acknowledge what he wasn't provided with and use that as a launch pad for thinking about how to proceed in life (just as people without trust funds have to think carefully about how to manage their money). Instead, Ryan sees this as having deprived him of a lifestyle that he otherwise deserved.

You're conflating his politics with your perception.

[Portae]

2 minutes ago, Higgins said:

She gave up caring for him as primary at least twice in early childhood.

You're conflating his politics with your perception.

I'm conflating his politics with his presentation of self on the show.

[Higgins]

Just now, Portae said:

I'm conflating his politics with his presentation of self on the show.

That he supports the President? That tells you everything you need to know about him?

[Portae]

1 minute ago, Higgins said:

That he supports the President? That tells you everything you need to know about him?

I'm using the word "politics" to mean his ideology, not his party affiliation.

[Higgins]

Just now, Portae said:

I'm using the word "politics" to mean his ideology, not his party affiliation.

What is his ideology?

[Portae]

2 minutes ago, Higgins said:

What is his ideology?

He's pretty clearly xenophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic (as evidenced by his social media). He portrays himself as a victim (while claiming not to) and yet launches pretty vicious attacks against those who are arguably in positions of less social power than he is.

[ladle]

I haven't seen many episodes this season but, coming back now, it seems I didn't miss much.  

I found Tamra a tiny bit likable in this episode, and I'm not sure what to do with those emotions.

Why did Ryan's laser surgeon look like a game show host?  

Then again, Braunwyn's husband reminds me of a flamboyant magician.

[ladle]

On 10/21/2019 at 11:23 PM, oceanview said:

Not interested in "the kids"  or "Gina".   Still coming here for snark, of course

I love how "Gina" gets quotation marks around it like she's allegedly a person.  Bwah!