Darcey & Tom: No More Meester Rice Guy

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There’s a Morrissey song called Teenage Dad on His Estate which is about a council estate not the kind of estates Americans picture like Brideshead Revisited or Atonement or that Robert Altman movie where they talked over each other.

[Elizzikra]

12 hours ago, mamadrama said:

The short answer is "government owned housing", but it's a lot more complicated than that. The closest we come to it would be our FHA program. Small, unadorned FHA homes used to be available at low cost rent, or even free, for low-income families here. However, the FHA loan program was available (still is) for those who had the income to qualify to buy, but didn't quite meet the standards banks wanted (or didn't have a down payment). Low-income Brits might qualify for council housing that's a reduced cost or free. It might be an ugly apartment in the projects or a fairly nice semi-detached home in a "council estate" (think subdivision). If you qualify, you can even purchase your home. 

My sister-in-law was a single mom at 19. She lived in council housing, a 2 bed cottage, for around $100 a month. That amount increased with her income. I have a friend who pays $900 for his cottage, though, and it's not based on his income at all. He's basically just renting it from the government.

Wikipedia's entry on it isn't bad.

Thank you!

So Tom, who claims to be very wealthy - how does that jive with him and his family living in council housing? Do fabulously wealthy people (or even just plain vanilla upper class people) live in council houses and just pay higher rent to the government?

[sagittarius sue]

13 hours ago, mamadrama said:

It might be an ugly apartment in the projects or a fairly nice semi-detached home in a "council estate" (think subdivision).

Realtors are called estate agents in the UK.  It sounds a bit fancier to American ears.

[gingerella]

16 hours ago, mamadrama said:

and was foreclosed on the Middle Eastern man who last bought it.

What does the owner's heritage have to do with this? I ask because of the times we're living in. Wouldn't it be enough to just say it's been vacant from the current owner for x years?

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3 hours ago, sagittarius sue said:

Realtors are called estate agents in the UK.  It sounds a bit fancier to American ears.

Although some of our “estate sales” over here can be pretty dumpy.

[sagittarius sue]

1 hour ago, gingerella said:

What does the owner's heritage have to do with this? I ask because of the times we're living in. Wouldn't it be enough to just say it's been vacant from the current owner for x years?

I read up a bit on it, and the family had a series of spooky incidents and essentially fled in terror after finding unexplained bloodstains on a toddler's blanket.  They abandoned the house and stopped paying the mortgage after a few months.  I find that understandable.

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7 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

I read up a bit on it, and the family had a series of spooky incidents and essentially fled in terror after finding unexplained bloodstains on a toddler's blanket.  They abandoned the house and stopped paying the mortgage after a few months.  I find that understandable.

I’m betting the juice box leaked fruit punch.

[Dustbunny]

18 hours ago, mamadrama said:

He lives in a regular looking brick council house with his parents. It has 4 beds and 1 bath (maybe 2 if they added on). He pretends to live in Clifton Hall in his village, but that house has stood empty for at least 12 years and was foreclosed on the Middle Eastern man who last bought it. The last time we walked around the manor home they were trying to open it up for paranormal tours (it's reportedly haunted, I've done a bit of writing about it) and keep it as an events center of sorts, but it was in very bad shape in places and starting to look sad. There's been talk of the university taking it over. 60 years ago parcels of land that belonged to the manor home were sold to the city and council housing (kinda like our government housing but not always based on income) was built. That's where he lives. 

He's also pretended that Nottingham Castle is his home. I guess he forgets that A) the internet exists and B) some of us know the Midlands very well.

If you're interested in what his house might look like, here are some that have sold on his road. His is not here, but you'll get a feel for it. Some are lovely, but mansions they are not. https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/ng11/village-road.html

They're very defensive about anyone suggesting that they live in a council house. 😋

Tom's mom posted this pic on her IG and his sister Emma immediately pointed out that it isn't a council house. 

They're very proud of their door knocker because it's the same one as Number 10 Downing...... who knew there was such a thing as DOOR KNOCKER fame?  😂

She often points out that they own a vacation home in Gran Canaria.... that's probably where Tom got the idea about taking Darcey on a private yacht in Gran Canaria.... turns out the "yacht" was a busted down shack.

Jaynie (Tom's mom) also posted a pic of Fernando (Tom's dad) all buddy buddy with David Gest because any fame is good fame.

The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree...

 

 

[Grifter Lives]

Tom & Emma (The Sister Coach) are in their 40s.  They've had plenty of time to establish their own lives and homes, regardless of whether their parents live in council housing or where they grew up.  However, Tom still lives at home with his parents whle he pretends to be a proper British gent and international jetsetter on a reality-TV series. 

The home decor is age-appropriate for his mother or grandmother.  Those are paper napkins, by the way - Tom and Emma just can't give off the right airs, no matter how hard they fight.

And, Tom looks just like his father.

[RealReality]

On 6/9/2020 at 12:30 PM, Gobi said:

More like “Rundown Abbey”.

Zing!

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12 minutes ago, RealReality said:

Zing!

Maybe they still use skeleton keys like he gave her.

[Arynm]

3 hours ago, Grifter Lives said:

Those are paper napkins, by the way -

How gauche! The Upper Class would never!

I think he is such a poser. It's perfectly fine to live in a council house of course, I look down on him because he acts like he is better than everyone else, but is clearly not. And because of paper napkins, and because he is an enormous douche.

[Frozendiva]

I have been known to sometimes use paper towels as napkins.

[Dustbunny]

13 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

I have been known to sometimes use paper towels as napkins.

I've been known to use napkins as toilet paper... in an emergency when camping. 😋

[Meowwww]

14 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

I've been known to use napkins as toilet paper... in an emergency when camping. 😋

Yup.  Crumple them up first, they get softer. 
Question to you UK’ers.  What is the 100 year lease thing?   For example, you buy a flat in London. You pay big bucks, but only have 27 or whatever years.  Does this mean you lose your home?

[Joan of Argh]

5 hours ago, Grifter Lives said:

Tom still lives at home with his parents whle he pretends to be a proper British gent and international jetsetter on a reality-TV series. 

The home decor is age-appropriate for his mother or grandmother.  Those are paper napkins, by the way - Tom and Emma just can't give off the right airs, no matter how hard they fight.

 

No wonder Tom got an Air BnB when Darcey visited, kind of hard to put on airs and act like James Bond in your bedroom at mum's house. 🙄

He's such a pretentious twit, there's nothing wrong with living in a council house but Tom would rather lie and post fake pics because he's ashamed of his family home.... Time for mum to kick his dumb ass to the curb.

[mamadrama]

15 hours ago, gingerella said:

What does the owner's heritage have to do with this? I ask because of the times we're living in. Wouldn't it be enough to just say it's been vacant from the current owner for x years?

Really? I seriously spent an hour writing about Tom's neighborhood and explaining council housing in a way that is somewhat understandable and THAT is what was taken out of it?

Short answer: because he's from the Middle East

Long answer: To show that not only does Tom (who we often refer to as being "British") NOT own the property, but that the most recent owner isn't even British (so he can't argue that it's just an assumed name or some shit). 

There are many articles about the non-British family that owned it and what happened to them. They granted many interviews. They're very wealthy, they're quite well known, and they've been very vocal about their experience there.

[Takitaki]

5 hours ago, Meowwww said:

Yup.  Crumple them up first, they get softer. 
Question to you UK’ers.  What is the 100 year lease thing?   For example, you buy a flat in London. You pay big bucks, but only have 27 or whatever years.  Does this mean you lose your home?

You lease the land the house is on. You don't lose your house at the end of it, just sign a new lease. Obviously the terms are likely to change, so longer lease left is preferred when buying a place.

[mamadrama]

12 hours ago, Dustbunny said:

They're very defensive about anyone suggesting that they live in a council house. 😋

Tom's mom posted this pic on her IG and his sister Emma immediately pointed out that it isn't a council house. 

They're very proud of their door knocker because it's the same one as Number 10 Downing...... who knew there was such a thing as DOOR KNOCKER fame?  😂

She often points out that they own a vacation home in Gran Canaria.... that's probably where Tom got the idea about taking Darcey on a private yacht in Gran Canaria.... turns out the "yacht" was a busted down shack.

Jaynie (Tom's mom) also posted a pic of Fernando (Tom's dad) all buddy buddy with David Gest because any fame is good fame.

The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree...

 

 

They're defensive about it and yet... Have they forgotten that they have neighbors who know exactly where they live? It's a nice estate, it's a nice house. My in-laws are upper middle class and they live in one as well. If you click on the link I posted above you can see a myriad of other houses on their estate that are also nice places. 

There's no more shame in living in a council estate than there is in living in a middle class subdivision here. The shame is in pretending to be something you're not. (And in stealing pictures of other people's things and pretending they're yours.)

[mamadrama]

19 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Thank you!

So Tom, who claims to be very wealthy - how does that jive with him and his family living in council housing? Do fabulously wealthy people (or even just plain vanilla upper class people) live in council houses and just pay higher rent to the government?

Yeah, kind of. My sister-in-law's place is a townhouse (2 floors, 2 bedrooms) and her rent is based on her income. It's comparable to income based apartments here. My in-laws (husband's aunt and uncle) live near Tom's family. They're retired. They'd be considered upper middle class. When they sold their home they moved to the estate and they pay around $1200 a month for their "cottage." Theirs is NOT based on income, though, because their retirement is above the threshold. So they more or less pay market value. It's a good sized place, very nice. Not every council house is eligible for income-based tenants. My SIL, for instance, couldn't live there. Just because it's council housing doesn't mean it's available for low income dwellers. 

Clifton Village is an offshoot of Nottingham proper, so you get more house for your money. 

[OldButHappy]

On 6/9/2020 at 2:06 PM, MrBuhBye said:

Even Cher can’t pull off half her looks but we give her a pass because she has talent.  What does Darcey contribute to the world?

Sadness.

[Texasmom1970]

Tom the tool is working very hard to keep getting that TLC paycheck. He is like a parasite trying to latch on to anyone associated with the show.

[Elizzikra]

6 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Yeah, kind of. My sister-in-law's place is a townhouse (2 floors, 2 bedrooms) and her rent is based on her income. It's comparable to income based apartments here. My in-laws (husband's aunt and uncle) live near Tom's family. They're retired. They'd be considered upper middle class. When they sold their home they moved to the estate and they pay around $1200 a month for their "cottage." Theirs is NOT based on income, though, because their retirement is above the threshold. So they more or less pay market value. It's a good sized place, very nice. Not every council house is eligible for income-based tenants. My SIL, for instance, couldn't live there. Just because it's council housing doesn't mean it's available for low income dwellers. 

Clifton Village is an offshoot of Nottingham proper, so you get more house for your money. 

Thanks so much! This is so interesting to me!

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What does the owner's heritage have to do with this? I ask because of the times we're living in. Wouldn't it be enough to just say it's been vacant from the current owner for x years?

I took it to mean that the owner was from outside the UK and didn't spend much, if any, time there. There are many communities where international investors buy property but don't live there and don't really maintain the property. I suppose "absentee owner" would say the same thing, but I didn't take it as a slight to people from the Middle East.

[Christina]

I cannot find the interview that is being referenced, but apparently Tom is claiming he was talking to Darcey when he was drunk and agreed to be on the show, but he didn't know what the show was or that it was about getting married, he just thought it was about meeting someone for the first time.

Once you unroll your eyes from that asinine claim, he further claims he is trying to get on Dancing with the Stars. Another comment said he hadn't actually said he applied for the show, just that he wanted to be on it, and I can't find the interview to listen for myself and make a determination.

I'd be shocked to find out he hasn't applied for every type of show he can.

[Gobi]

5 hours ago, Christina said:

Once you unroll your eyes from that asinine claim, he further claims he is trying to get on Dancing with the Stars. Another comment said he hadn't actually said he applied for the show, just that he wanted to be on it, and I can't find the interview to listen for myself and make a determination.

I'd be shocked to find out he hasn't applied for every type of show he can.

Too bad Cops was cancelled.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Gobi

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I would love for him to be on Hell’s Kitchen and Gordon Ramsay could yell “donkey” and “you burned the scallops again” at the turdburger.

[Elizzikra]

13 hours ago, Christina said:

I cannot find the interview that is being referenced, but apparently Tom is claiming he was talking to Darcey when he was drunk and agreed to be on the show, but he didn't know what the show was or that it was about getting married, he just thought it was about meeting someone for the first time.

Once you unroll your eyes from that asinine claim, he further claims he is trying to get on Dancing with the Stars. Another comment said he hadn't actually said he applied for the show, just that he wanted to be on it, and I can't find the interview to listen for myself and make a determination.

I'd be shocked to find out he hasn't applied for every type of show he can.

He could eat his way onto My 600 Pound Life. Dr. Now could inquire about his eating habit and call him out for lying. Or he could marry Darcey and a couple of other people and be the new Kody for Sister Wives. He just needs to be a little more out of the box in his thinking.

[mamadrama]

19 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

He could eat his way onto My 600 Pound Life. Dr. Now could inquire about his eating habit and call him out for lying. Or he could marry Darcey and a couple of other people and be the new Kody for Sister Wives. He just needs to be a little more out of the box in his thinking.

I'd watch any of that. 

[Gobi]

22 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

He could eat his way onto My 600 Pound Life. Dr. Now could inquire about his eating habit and call him out for lying. Or he could marry Darcey and a couple of other people and be the new Kody for Sister Wives. He just needs to be a little more out of the box in his thinking.

Dr. Pimple Popper could squeeze his head until it explodes in a cloud of pus.

[mamadrama]

This is an older video, but I like this woman because she's smart and gets down to business. Here she counts down Tom's lies. The housing situation is first.

f0z2UU52Exc

 

[RealReality]

9 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

He could eat his way onto My 600 Pound Life. Dr. Now could inquire about his eating habit and call him out for lying. Or he could marry Darcey and a couple of other people and be the new Kody for Sister Wives. He just needs to be a little more out of the box in his thinking.

ITS WATER WEIGHT!

9 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

He could eat his way onto My 600 Pound Life. Dr. Now could inquire about his eating habit and call him out for lying. Or he could marry Darcey and a couple of other people and be the new Kody for Sister Wives. He just needs to be a little more out of the box in his thinking.

He could commit a crime or marry a convict and get on love after lockup.  

[magemaud]

On 6/13/2020 at 6:58 PM, Elizzikra said:

Or he could marry Darcey and a couple of other people and be the new Kody for Sister Wives.

He could marry Darcey, Stacey and Raina and two of the sister wives could really be sisters (although I think that has already happened in the history of polygamy) 

[seacliffsal]

I believe that at least two of the Beatles grew up in council housing and they're not ashamed of that.  Of course, they then worked and made opportunities for their lives.  So, Tom, there you go-get working at something other than 90 days...

[sagittarius sue]

On 6/13/2020 at 5:58 PM, Elizzikra said:

He could eat his way onto My 600 Pound Life.

Or he could become Twitney's next love interest on MBFFL after the pending marriage fiasco occurs.

[Christina]

Tom is writing a book....of poetry.

The comments are all swoony because he deletes and blocks anything negative.

[seacliffsal]

Sigh.  

Tom, get a real job...

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Roses are red

violets are blue 

Tom is a wanker

but you already knew 

[sagittarius sue]

3 hours ago, Christina said:

Tom is writing a book....of poetry.

It's title should be "Poncey Poetry by a Poser."

[Frozendiva]

4 hours ago, Christina said:

Tom is writing a book....of poetry.

The comments are all swoony because he deletes and blocks anything negative.

The 'are you sitting comfortably' sounds right out of Doesn't Really Matter by Platinum Blonde.

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Frozendiva

[Christina]

This Reddit thread has some great poems.

Examples:

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1. Roses are red Violets are blue Jesse is a douche And so are you.
    
2. Roses are red, Their thorns sometimes prick You’re a deplorable human And a massive dick.
    
3. How are you, Darcy? 
   I love you like my sister. 
   Have you put on weight? 
   — a Haiku by Tom.
    
4. “I know I was arsey
   When I was with Darcey.
   I would ask her to dance
   If she gave one more chance.
   She is my Pass
   To becoming Fame-as . . . “
    
5. Roses are red, violets are blue, if we went to Gran Canaria, I would have married you.

6. There once was a man named Tom,
   Who lived at home with his mom.
   No man had a greater thirst,
   On the Douche List he won first;
   A title he carries with aplomb

My current favorite is number six above, but they keep coming.

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Salsa dancing and poetry swoon.

[ALittleShelfish]

8 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

The 'are you sitting comfortably' sounds right out of Doesn't Really Matter by Platinum Blonde.

 

OMG I read it in that woman's SAME VOICE and said "Man, I bet no one remembers Platinum Blonde for me to even bring this up...."  

@Frozendiva, thank you for reminding me of my favorite band from my high school/early college days! 🙂

[AZChristian]

14 hours ago, sagittarius sue said:

Or he could become Twitney's next love interest on MBFFL after the pending marriage fiasco occurs.

Didn't it already?

[Floatingbison]

17 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

I believe that at least two of the Beatles grew up in council housing and they're not ashamed of that.  Of course, they then worked and made opportunities for their lives.  So, Tom, there you go-get working at something other than 90 days...

Ringo for sure and I believe John.

George was from a little wealthier family and he actually flew as a teenager to the United States to visit his sister in Illinois just months before the Beatles became famous.

[DanaMB]

19 hours ago, Christina said:

Tom is writing a book....of poetry.

The comments are all swoony because he deletes and blocks anything negative.

Seriously need that eye roll reaction option here. 
 

 

[AZChristian]

Tom needs to be careful with the poetry "he" is writing.  Plagiarism is easier to track down, thanks to the internet.

I bet if he DID write poetry, it's all free verse with no rhymes.  Just deep thoughts.  Given what we've seen of his personality, they're not REAL deep, though.

[1011101010001]

I didn’t realize that you wrote poetry.  I didn’t realize you wrote such bloody awful poetry.

[sagittarius sue]

5 hours ago, AZChristian said:

Didn't it already?

I haven't been following MBFFL lately.  I see coming back from their big engagement thing in Paris she supposedly flew in 1st class, he in coach, and they didn't seem to have any interaction.

[mamadrama]

30 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

I haven't been following MBFFL lately.  I see coming back from their big engagement thing in Paris she supposedly flew in 1st class, he in coach, and they didn't seem to have any interaction.

Oh, there's bigger news than that...

[Auntie Anxiety]

1 hour ago, sagittarius sue said:

I haven't been following MBFFL lately.  I see coming back from their big engagement thing in Paris she supposedly flew in 1st class, he in coach, and they didn't seem to have any interaction.

My guess is she had to fly first class because she couldn’t fit into the smaller seats.

Tom’s poetry book? Yeah, I’ll pass. I hate poetry to begin with. And I’ve had enough smug self-indulgence to last me a lifetime. Does he include directions to read it at a 45 degree angle?

Edited June 15, 2020 by Auntie Anxiety