S08.E02: A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

[Drogo]

1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I’m just assuming that everyone is going to die so that anyone who survives will be a pleasant surprise. 

I don't know who homeboy is in the back right corner but I sure hope he doesn't die.
That hairspray's gonna go up like wildfire, Cersei Boogaloo. 

Maybe that's been your plan all along..

[QuinnM]

9 hours ago, Drogo said:

I think either of the Stark women could fill this role. The Hound cared for and served both in unofficial non-Knighty ways. 

I considered that but he's been at Winterfell for a while now and not interacted with Sansa. So their story ended a long time ago and the thread has not been picked up.  But Ayra and the Hound have had significant interactions - well significant for those two.

1 hour ago, Affogato said:

Jorah humanizes Dany, not sure anyone else does. 

Oh, sorry.  I killed him and mourned him last Sunday.  He had the final redemption with Lyanna.  He got a sword to wield for his father.  His last words were of the oath his father took.  AND THEN as if it wasn't already sad enough you see him sitting astride his mount like a boss.  And I just felt that familiar stab.  He's dead.  Ergo my current fascination with not losing the Valyrian steel swords.

It's important to pre mourn as much as possible so that one doesn't become overwhelmed during the battle.

2 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I’m just assuming that everyone is going to die so that anyone who survives will be a pleasant surprise. 

I like the candles.  Thats a good way to process this.  

[Clanstarling]

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I’m just assuming that everyone is going to die so that anyone who survives will be a pleasant surprise. 

I haven't been guessing who'll die or not (though I do have a few I think will live - but the show has lied to me before). I do think there's a distinct possibility, however small, that even if they defeat the NK, this will be a Hamlet ending and all the main characters will die, and someone from outside of Westeros will show up and shake their head about the fools. And the game will begin again with new players. As it always does.

After all, this is the show/book that started out by killing the presumptive hero.

Edited April 26, 2019 by Clanstarling

[Chris24601]

11 hours ago, SourK said:

I'm worried for Gilly, because she's the only character we actually know who's in the crypts besides Tyrion and I don't think Tyrion will die yet.

I think Davos might bite it for exactly the reason you think he's safe -- because he's all about having a just ruler and being a good guy. I'm not sure that's the direction the series is going.

I think Misendei's future involves deciding to go home (maybe because Grey Worm is dead) and then finding out that Dany won't let her leave after all. Ever since she confidently told Jon that Dany would give her a ship and wish her well if she wanted to go home, I've felt like the opposite will happen one day.

In reverse order;

Agreed, that was a Chekov’s Gun of a line from Missendi if I’ve ever heard one. If Dany passes her test next episode I don’t think it’ll come to that (actually honoring that belief would be a solid sign of Dany’s upward trajectory to full “King” archetype).

If Dany fails and the story intends her to be a full-on Shadow King then I fully expect that gun to go off. One does not leave the service of a Shadow King on your own terms because that runs against the trappings of power and demand the Shadow King be loved and adored (note Dany’s reaction to Sansa still asking about Northern independence... she immediately pulls her hand away and goes cold. That’s a Shadow King response; people refusing their rule is a rejection of them and feeds their insecurity. Overcoming that is Dany’s test).

Side-bar: People have asked why they’re so certain a betrayal is coming for Dany. It’s because of a rather heavy-handed bit of plot in season seven where Dany challenges Varys’ loyalty and promises to burn him alive if he ever betrays her. Then Melisandre informs him she’s destined to die in this strange land, “as are you, dear Spider.” Because of even earlier dialogue about how he was castrated and the voice from the flames that haunts him, people are drawing a strong inferrence is that Varys will die in flames as Dany promised because he ends up betraying her (which might be a bad thing if she’s past her test, but might be a heroic thing if she’s gone full Shadow King archetype).

As to Davos, I actually think the series is headed for a fairly positive ending. GRRM has called the ending “bittersweet” and he’s got enough Stannis in him to care about using words correctly. The strict definition of bittersweet is “sweet” (i.e. the protagonists get their happy endings) tinged with “bitter” (i.e. they only get to their happiness at great cost).

Davos is the most fundamentally decent character in the entire show and is the one to have provided the best advice on what it means to be a GOOD ruler (not just an effective one).

I think one of the most important lines in the entire series in terms of its overall theme was Davos telling Stannis “a king who doesn’t protect his people is no king at all.” I don’t think there’s even a point to this story if whoever is in charge at the end hasn’t followed that mantra (the gist of which is also that “a true king must sacrifice for his people.”).

Anyway, because of the promise of bittersweet, I think Davos has to live. He’s already payed the bitter price twice over with the death of his son in the Battle of the Blackwater and then Shireen was burned alive. The only thing that pays off all that suffering is if he lives to see a truly good ruler bring peace to the realm.

Along the lines of that bittersweet ending too... I think the Crypts are being set up as a headfake; something to get us so worried about the people down there (which will include Gilly, Tyrion and Varys) that we don’t see the real threat coming until it hits general audiences upside the head (ex. The Night King is off nuking King’s Landing -or- Dany fails her King test and goes after Jon, Bran and/or Sam).

The reason I think that is that the oldest parts of Winterfell were built using the same old magics as The Wall and which protected the old Three-Eyed Raven until Bran got marked. That’s probably another reason why Bran didn’t want to go into the crypts... he learned his lesson from last time and doesn’t want to break the magical seal.

Plus, if they don’t take out the Night King then sounding a retreat to the crypts might be the only plausible way anyone in the actual fighting survives the next episode.

[festivus]

Right up front: Yes I've read all 17 pages and it took me almost a week so I can't quote anyone because I don't know how I'd find the post again. Most forums I read have 2 to 3 pages max of discussion.

I don't know who will die but I don't think Brienne will just because of the knighting. I think Jamie dies. I think his arc is done. He wants to be honorable again and he chose honor(Brienne) over loyalty(Cersei). I also do think he loves Brienne even though I think he may not understand that's what it is. He's only had the toxic thing with Cersei to compare it to. I think he's starting to get a clue though. I don't know if it's romantic or not but I do believe it's something he's never felt before so maybe he's never understood it or knew what to do with it. I think it's telling that he walked away when Tyrion was talking about killing Cersei and all his focus was on Brienne. The honorable person he respects has stood up for him and respects him enough to fight beside him. I also think Bran's "the things we do for love" means more than just some shade throwing. Jamie is so dead. 😥

As far as Tormund not respecting Brienne, he totally does. I know they do use him for comic relief but I also see his wooing of Brienne as just him doing as he would do for a Wildling woman. He knows no other way, it doesn't have anything to do with him not respecting her. Unfortunately for him she's probably not going to understand that. Just because she's a warrior that's always wanted to be a knight doesn't mean she wasn't raised to be a lady in Westeros society so there will always be that part of her that wants the courtly love that she was raised with. 

[paigow]

3 hours ago, Drogo said:

I don't know who homeboy is in the back right corner but I sure hope he doesn't die.

Is it Hotpie? Or Robin / Robyn???

[Constantinople]

22 hours ago, Andromeda said:

I agree. I longed for that moment when they were married. He tried so hard! But she was young and afraid, so I excused her. What's her excuse now? Even though he's a Lannister, he's clearly on her side, just like Jamie is.

Tyrion is Daernery's Hand (for now). Daenerys wants a united Seven Kingdoms. Sansa doesn't.

[MissLucas]

44 minutes ago, festivus said:

also think Bran's "the things we do for love" means more than just some shade throwing. Jamie is so dead. 😥

I wonder if the writers are willing to go all in and have those be his last words before he dies (in Brienne's arms of course).

[Bannon]

On 4/24/2019 at 10:35 AM, proserpina65 said:

We saw a tiny bit of butt as well.  Not that any of that offended me.  The actress is an adult, the character is nearly an adult, and it was good to see a woman take control of her sexuality on this show.  (Not that I'm one of those who complained about rape on the show either, since it certainly fit in with the society depicted.)

There is nothing wrong with depicting rape, in a story that takes place in a society where sexualized violence would be not be uncommon. There is something very, very, wrong in filming a rape in a pornographic manner, as Dany's rape by Drogo was filmed in the very 1st episode. I nearly stopped watching the show after that; didn't go to the 2nd episode for weeks, I was so put off. In contrast, Sansa's rape by Ramsay was much better at depicting the horror of it, by cutting to Theon's face, witnessing the violence. I really disliked Jaimie's rape of Cersei, because it didn't make sense for either of the characters in that setting, in my opinion, and thus seemed as if the writers were going for cheap shock value.

Rape, like murder, is just too horrific to be treated that way, and these writers have a mixed record in this regard.

[proserpina65]

1 minute ago, Bannon said:

There is nothing wrong with depicting rape, in a story that takes place in a society where sexualized violence would be not be uncommon. There is something very, very, wrong in filming a rape in a pornographic manner, as Dany's rape by Drogo was filmed in the very 1st episode. I nearly stopped watching the show after that; didn't go to the 2nd episode for weeks, I was so put off. In contrast, Sansa's rape by Ramsay was much better at depicting the horror of it, by cutting to Theon's face, witnessing the violence. I really disliked Jaimie's rape of Cersei, because it didn't make sense for either of the characters in that setting, in my opinion, and thus seemed as if the writers were going for cheap shock value.

Rape, like murder, is just too horrific to be treated that way, and these writers have a mixed record in this regard.

I never considered the Dany/Drogo scene pornographic, nor did I consider the Jaime/Cersei scene to be rape.  But mileage varies.

[Bannon]

6 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

I never considered the Dany/Drogo scene pornographic, nor did I consider the Jaime/Cersei scene to be rape.  But mileage varies.

I don't want to get into an extended debate about it, but in my opinion, the ritualistic disrobing of a crying woman, against a backdrop of a beautiful seascape worthy of The Travel Channel, followed by her sexual violation, is pure pornography. As you say, mileage varies.

[sistermagpie]

1 hour ago, MissLucas said:

I wonder if the writers are willing to go all in and have those be his last words before he dies (in Brienne's arms of course).

You know, this got me thinking seriously and I think if he did die in Brienne's arms his last line would be a real contrast to that, just because that line was part of his glib persona. Of course he could say those lines more seriously in a different context, but I think the words themselves sound like banter. If he was speaking to Brienne I imagine he'd say something that sounded genuinely knightly/honorable to underline how he really did value that and admire it in her.

[festivus]

41 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

You know, this got me thinking seriously and I think if he did die in Brienne's arms his last line would be a real contrast to that, just because that line was part of his glib persona. Of course he could say those lines more seriously in a different context, but I think the words themselves sound like banter. If he was speaking to Brienne I imagine he'd say something that sounded genuinely knightly/honorable to underline how he really did value that and admire it in her.

If I was writing it I'd have him say it all poignantly as he takes out Cersei to save Brienne. He'd chose honor over loyalty and then he'd die too. I do love my angst. I don't even really ship J & B in a romantic sense but they are my favorite story in the books and in the show too. I want a satisfying conclusion to their story and I'm okay with it being tragic. This is not the show where I'm expecting any happy endings so I can be pleasantly surprised if there are any.

At least we did have the knighting which is my favorite scene in the whole series. (It pushed down that small council meeting in King's Landing when Tyrion dragged that chair over to the table. Man, that whole scene was just brilliant. Sorry it has to drop to second place.)

Brienne ❤️

[jah1986]

4 minutes ago, festivus said:

At least we did have the knighting which is my favorite scene in the whole series. (It pushed down that small council meeting in King's Landing when Tyrion dragged that chair over to the table. Man, that whole scene was just brilliant. Sorry it has to drop to second place.)

Brienne ❤️

Small part of that scene that I really loved, and it may have been mentioned by others, is the way everyone in the room took it seriously.  Tyrion got of his seat and walked around to get a better view and the others stood. Just made me tear up, such a great scene.

[sistermagpie]

2 minutes ago, festivus said:

At least we did have the knighting which is my favorite scene in the whole series. (It pushed down that small council meeting in King's Landing when Tyrion dragged that chair over to the table. Man, that whole scene was just brilliant. Sorry it has to drop to second place.)

I can't get over how much I loved that knighting scene. Definitely one of my favorite moments if not the favorite one.

The story does obviously set up a Cersei vs. Brienne contrast, whether or not it's anything like a love triangle. Especially since Cersei demands personal loyalty and Brienne absolutely doesn't, which is why any love Jaime has for her is just so different. 

Even the fact that Cersei is his sister and his twin makes the love all the more selfish where Brienne is all about sacrifice for what's right whether or not you get anything out of it yourself. She makes him a better, braver person by loving her where this episode reminds us he started out tossing a kid out of a window to hide the fact that he's banging his sister and her kids aren't her husband's is "what he does for love."

But it does seem like he needs a scene where Cersei sees what he's chosen. Not just in terms of his walking away from her since he did that and she's ready to kill him over it, but seeing that his new attitude makes him stronger than he'd ever been. Brienne makes other people strong, and none so much as Jaime!

[festivus]

6 minutes ago, jah1986 said:

Small part of that scene that I really loved, and it may have been mentioned by others, is the way everyone in the room took it seriously.  Tyrion got of his seat and walked around to get a better view and the others stood. Just made me tear up, such a great scene.

I may be talking about a different one. This is the one, I loved the power play. Oh, wait I misread and I see you're talking about the knighting scene. I could edit but I'll leave this here anyway.

[spaceghostess]

17 minutes ago, festivus said:

I may be talking about a different one. This is the one, I loved the power play. Oh, wait I misread and I see you're talking about the knighting scene. I could edit but I'll leave this here anyway.

Yes. This hilarious little game of musical chairs is everything and possibly my favorite Tyrion scene. I don't know if I'm supposed to like the trial or Blackwater better; they're also great Tyrion moments, but the shade here is so epic, I can't resist. Of course, I'm predisposed to love scenes featuring Tywin and anybody else (including a deer carcass). Charles Dance makes everything better and Tywin's among my top 3 most-missed characters, alongside Margaery and her grandma.

Edited April 26, 2019 by spaceghostess
to differentiate between Battle of the Bastards and Battle of the Blackwater

[Cheezwiz]

7 hours ago, Coxfires said:

Great list but I'd add Davos, because he rocks. 

The Onion Knight is my absolute favourite too. He may be low-born, but always offers wise council and behaves in a dignified and noble manner. Plus his backstory just tickles me: every time I think of him, I imagine a cartoon knight on a horse proudly carrying a banner with a big red onion on it!

[Friendly kitty]

10 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

The story does obviously set up a Cersei vs. Brienne contrast, whether or not it's anything like a love triangle. Especially since Cersei demands personal loyalty and Brienne absolutely doesn't, which is why any love Jaime has for her is just so different. 

I think so. The story of Jaime-Cersei and Jaime-Brienne is built on contrasts. Cersei causes the most base feelings in Jaime and makes him commit insane and bad actions. Brienne is a noble one, she is ready to sacrifice herself, she lives for the sake of others ... and next to her, Jaime becomes like that. Women make a man!
So yes, I also think that Jaime will die in the hands of Brienne. He fulfilled his duty, knighted her, and now he can die with a clear conscience, having atoned for his sins.

Edited April 27, 2019 by Friendly kitty

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Every time I see Jaime or Bran quoted as saying, "The things we do for love," I hear this song in my head:

[RedHawk]

1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Every time I see Jaime or Bran quoted as saying, "The things we do for love," I hear this song in my head:

Me, too! Every time. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

1 hour ago, RedHawk said:

Me, too! Every time. 

Hahaha, I'm so glad it's not just me. Seriously, in the series premiere, even as I was gasping while Bran fell, I was still hearing this song in my head as Jaime smiled smugly at Cersei. I thought someone would make a fanvid of Jaime and Cersei set to "The Things We Do for Love" at some point in the series. I did a quick search on YouTube and instead found this:

[paigow]

4 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Every time I see Jaime or Bran quoted as saying, "The things we do for love," I hear this song in my head:

"Too many little lords have fallen from the tower"

[festivus]

4 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Every time I see Jaime or Bran quoted as saying, "The things we do for love," I hear this song in my head:

I always loved that song but I never even thought of it when Jaime and Bran used those words. Ha!

Another thing I thought about was when Tyrion was talking about killing Cersei even if he was dead. It made me wonder if Arya would take his face and kill her that way. I also thought about that Jenny song and how it could fit Dany if she does end up taking the Iron Throne. Sorry, I just love to speculate and then later I get to see how much I was wrong about!

I just realized last night that I've been spelling Jaime's name wrong all this time. I read the books although it's been a while and for some reason it just never registered. So apologies to those that read my posts and were like, bitch can't even spell Jaime right. 😄

Edited April 27, 2019 by festivus
Don't you know i still spelled it wrong once in this post!

[seacliffsal]

I keep getting more and more emotional about the potential losses in this next episode.  You all are making really great points and providing wonderful insights.

While rewatching the episode last night (and yes I did get the sniffles once again...) one thing that stood out to me (along with a zillion other things) was that while all the other main characters were in small groups and in some type of isolation waiting for the battle, Sansa and Theon were together in the midst of regular people prior to the battle.  It struck me that Sansa was demonstrating her care of the Northerners by being with them even while in conversation with Theon.  I don't know if there was an intended significance to the scene but it was definitely in contrast with how the other characters separated themselves from those they didn't know while Sansa and Theon were in their midst.  Having soup of course, as one does.

I am both excited for the next episode and dreading it at the same time.  I am convinced that Edd will die, but I hope for his survival as I would like a member of the Watch survive who does not have claim on the throne or the benefit of having been to the Citadel.  Edd truly represents those whose lives had no other option other than being spent at the Wall and to die in defense of Westeros.   Gah, there is so much I like/adore about so many of the characters that seem to be on the death list.  I agree with those that wrote that the NK should just bypass Winterfell and go to King's Landing and take out Cersei.  

Oh, and on a wholly magical note, what would I give to have Ned Stark rise from the dead and lead the dead Starks against the Army of the Dead!  I know he was beheaded and his bones returned in a box, but when I think of Magic, I think that amazing things could happen.  And this would be amazing. 

[paigow]

4 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

how the other characters separated themselves from those they didn't know while Sansa and Theon were in their midst. 

Oh, and on a wholly magical note, what would I give to have Ned Stark rise from the dead and lead the dead Starks against the Army of the Dead

Given the "rampant xenophobia", winning hearts and minds of the locals would be impossible...

Ned can get reanimated if Hodor is along for the ride.....

[Cheezwiz]

5 hours ago, festivus said:

Another thing I thought about was when Tyrion was talking about killing Cersei even if he was dead. It made me wonder if Arya would take his face and kill her that way. I also thought about that Jenny song and how it could fit Dany if she does end up taking the Iron Throne. Sorry, I just love to speculate and then later I get to see how much I was wrong about!

I've been pondering this as well - wondering if Arya will steal the face of someone Cersei trusts and use this to assassinate her.

Tyrion made me laugh out loud with the image of a tiny zombie version of himself trudging straight to King's Landing just so he could bite Cersei. An undead Cersei might be fun - could she be the next Night Queen?

What happens if the White Walkers manage to get the Mountain? Then we'd have an undead undead guy?

[Andromeda]

On 4/25/2019 at 6:50 PM, Pixiebomb said:

After the finale I wish HBO would create a new prequel series based around Young Ned, Lyanna,Rhagar. Etc. there is a lot of story to be told. 

You could watch the Netflix show "Troy: Fall of a City".  It's pretty much the same story.  😃

[Lady S.]

On 4/25/2019 at 2:18 AM, paramitch said:

Speaking of Theon: Why do the vast majority assume Theon's feelings for Sansa cannot be romantic? I'm not saying they are, but there is definitely deep feeling there. And regardless of what he's missing, he would still absolutely be able to please a lover if he wanted to. It's just odd to me that his feelings are assumed to be platonic because of, er, mechanics.

Especially since we just saw a eunuch love scene last season. I do think any romantic vibes there were not intended by tptb, but the assumption that they're both too broken to ever have sex again is, um, not great. If Gilly can have sexual agency after a lifetime as her own father's sex slave and Grey Worm can manage to please his girlfriend in bed, there should be hope for these two too. 

On 4/25/2019 at 11:32 AM, proserpina65 said:

I kind of assumed those, and the more skeletal wights at Hardhome, had been raised while they had more meat on their bones, so to speak, and had continued to decay rather than having already been skeletons when they were reanimated.  Which would mean Rickon's corpse would be an issue, and maybe Littlefinger's, but not the long-dead Starks.  At least I hope this is the case.

Yeah, the physics of the wights has never been too realistic, but we've also never seen a pile of old bones magically get up and re-assemble itself either. We've seen Jon and others cut off corpse limbs when fighting them, and while it's creepy when the hand keeps moving, they always stay separate from the rest of the body, don't they? I'd think there are some limits. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by Lady S.

[enoughcats]

On 4/25/2019 at 2:53 PM, Andromeda said:

On 4/25/2019 at 10:12 AM, One Tough Cookie said:

Since everyone has grown  up and old I have one question:  WHY IS BABY SAM STILL AN INFANT?

The timeline{s} confuse me.

Maybe with all the inbreeding, he came out "special."

In a more perfect white world, Baby Sam would have become a white walker minion.  Who feeds him so he grows up big and strong before becoming big enough to sit a saddle.  We don't see babies crawling across the snow. (Well, maybe they are crawling from Krasters, they're just really, really slow taking baby crawl movement.

[Andromeda]

1 hour ago, enoughcats said:

In a more perfect white world, Baby Sam would have become a white walker minion.  Who feeds him so he grows up big and strong before becoming big enough to sit a saddle.  We don't see babies crawling across the snow. (Well, maybe they are crawling from Krasters, they're just really, really slow taking baby crawl movement.

Seriously, this has bugged me since we found out about the babies being taken by White Walkers. Since they're immediately turned into WW, how do they grow? Why don't the adult WWs age? Who takes care of baby WWs,or do they not need care because they're WWs? 

Yeah, OK, magic.

[Law Mom]

You guys have got me thinking, so here are just few more last minute thoughts:

I know we can mostly agree that Qyburn is super creepy, but wouldn’t it be ironic if he somehow figured out how to make his own Frankenstein monster army to fight the AOTD? He’d be the hero of the show.

When someone mentions the Onion Knight I always think about that conversation between Shrek and Donkey.

In the first scene of this episode, when Dany talked about Jaime killing her father, I wonder why Jaime didn’t mentioned that he did that right after the Mad King killed Ned Stark’s father and brother for no reason. It might have endeared him to the Northerners a bit more.

So are the WW Gilly’s brothers? Maybe they will spare her because she’s family.

Sansa’s loyalty to the North has made her into one of my favorite characters. She is pretty much the only one who puts her subjects first.

And speaking of the Northerners, these are people who have been through a lot at the hands of outsiders. They have been slaughtered by the Wildlings, the Targaryans, the Lannisters, the Freys, the Boltons, and the Greyjoys. Why should they be all warm and fuzzy with these new outsiders, regardless of their color?

#teamtormund

[Cheezwiz]

For a bit of levity... I grew up in the 70's, so whenever I hear "Sansa" it does not bring to mind a young noble lady in a fantasy universe. I still immediately think of men's polyester slacks. You're gonna need to be outfitted with action pants to fight those Whitewalkers people!

[Andromeda]

OMG, I just realized the ending of the show. The camera pulls back to the kids from Stranger Things playing a board game.

[MrWhyt]

5 hours ago, Law Mom said:

In the first scene of this episode, when Dany talked about Jaime killing her father, I wonder why Jaime didn’t mentioned that he did that right after the Mad King killed Ned Stark’s father and brother for no reason. It might have endeared him to the Northerners a bit more.

it wasn't right after. The killing of the Starks was the start (sort of) of Robert's Rebellion, the death of the mad king was the end (sort of).

Edited April 28, 2019 by MrWhyt

[Constantinople]

20 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:

For a bit of levity... I grew up in the 70's, so whenever I hear "Sansa" it does not bring to mind a young noble lady in a fantasy universe. I still immediately think of men's polyester slacks. You're gonna need to be outfitted with action pants to fight those Whitewalkers people!

First lesson. Stick 'em with the pointy end

[Holmbo]

Double post

Edited April 28, 2019 by Holmbo

[paigow]

15 minutes ago, Constantinople said:

First lesson. Stick 'em with the pointy end

"Extra Large Snack Sack" ??? Made for Podrick???

[Holmbo]

I read through this whole thread, and was saving up quotes. But of course they all went away with one page reload. I'm especially sorry I lost the quote of one long comment on the knighting scene which I really liked.

There are some heated battle between the Jon and the Dany fans on this thread it seems. Reminds me of those GoT attack adds.I don't think there's one for Jon though.

Since I don't want to go back and requote everyone I'll just add some random thoughts:

-I love Brienne commanding part of the army, but plotwise does that make sense? She doesn't have any experience of command. I feel like they should have given it to one of the vale guys or someone. Just cause you're a good fighter doesn't mean you're good at commanding.

-I wonder what Melisandre is up to. Maybe she'll come in all Gandalf, saving everyone at the last moment, with some other LL priestesses.

-One thing I was missing in this episode was a little bit more scenes with some of the unnamed characters, who undoubtedly are going to be killed by the thousands next episode. I'd liked a speech or something by Dany to all those people who followed her here and is going to lay down their lives for Westeros. (It seems by Brans comments NK plan to get to Essos eventually, but still.)

See you on the other side of the war!

Edited April 28, 2019 by Holmbo

[ElectricBoogaloo]

13 hours ago, Holmbo said:

See you on the other side of the war!

High five for the Hamilton reference!