S09.E16: Reunion Part 1

[thesupremediva1]

22 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

But I hate a pile-on and I hate hypocrisy more, and right now I think left couch is being more hypocritical.  

THIS. This is why it's so hard for me to turn on Tre. Before it was "her show" (argue that point all day, it basically is), Tre sat through three reunions in a row with EVERYONE ganging up on her. She had not one ally. She took it all and always came out guns blazing, and she's still standing. Part of me can't help but respect that.

So as much as we might dislike Vicki, Bethenny, Nene, and  Tre - they've taken the blows and carried their franchises. Quite frankly, Tre's had it down and dirty compared to someone like Bethenny. ANYONE who goes against B gets booted. If Tre was really getting special treatment, Mel would have been off the show years ago. Tre has just been lucky in that everyone who's opposed her has been boring as sin, or more corrupt than her and Juicy, and they ran into the shadows when they saw what flaunting your cash on TV could get you. 

Mel, Jackie, and even Marge whom I adore would all LOVE to be the core of the franchise, but they're not. I can't be team Left Couch just because I have such ire for Mel and Jackie, who are everything they claim Tre and Delores are - they're just not interesting enough to usurp them. These franchises are built on season-to-season conflict and overall narratives. You can mix and match new people for the run-of-the-mill crap, but Tre and Juicy's legal battle is the overall narrative we've been following for almost 10 years.

NOW, all that aside, I will be Team Left Couch next week. Because the Staub is coming, and I can't go to bat for Tre when she stands up for that one. Staub was, is, and will continue to be a dangerous presence. 

[SoCal4Us]

I agree with another poster above who mentioned that Teresa may have a type of learning disability. Here's my post from years ago...just my two cents...

S06.E16: Reunion Part 1

SoCal4Us replied to Lisin's topic in The Real Housewives Of New Jersey

I still think Teresa has auditory/speech processing issues - kind of like a synapse (not sure if that's the right word) between hearing words and understanding the actual sentence. In addition, she also doesn't seem to fully process nuance, tone, etc. IMO

 November 6, 2014

[Neveragain]

On 2/21/2019 at 9:21 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

Hopefully this clears up some of the confusion, even though i am still a little confused as well. I am also liking and laughing at so many posts, even if peeps come out on the complete different side of me on things, as always.

And if things change, I will not hesitate to issues as many mea culpas as necessary hahaha.  

Love this!

 I went back and re read your original post where I said I disagreed with every word.. I confess I was wrong, I forgot about the part where you said Teresa said the “are you hungry” part to Jackie on purpose to dig her about her eating disorder. I thoroughly agree with you there.  Teresa 2019 is an awful horrible woman. 

[Kdawg82]

The comment Teresa made about "are you hungry" to Jackie was meant as a dig at her eating disorder and not a mistaken "thirsty" expression. You can clearly hear Teresa continue on something like "you seem in a bad mood. Maybe you should eat something. Maybe you're hungry..." then after she got called out and Jennifer tossed her the life ring of "oh you mean 'thirsty'," she seemed to back down. 

She'll never fail to sink down to the lowest place . To be fair, she felt attacked with the prison comments by Jackie and talk about "low," that's beneath even Teresa's version of sea level.  But an eating disorder is a medical condition...landing yourself in jail due to irresponsibility is NOT. 

Teresa shouldn't talk about disordered eating because she went from loving food and drink to deprivation levels for a body building competition. I think her body is flipping out a little now or she is making up for lost time bc as mentioned, shes not slender - just bulked up. 

[kicksave]

1 hour ago, Kdawg82 said:

The comment Teresa made about "are you hungry" to Jackie was meant as a dig at her eating disorder and not a mistaken "thirsty" expression. You can clearly hear Teresa continue on something like "you seem in a bad mood. Maybe you should eat something. Maybe you're hungry..." then after she got called out and Jennifer tossed her the life ring of "oh you mean 'thirsty'," she seemed to back down. 

She'll never fail to sink down to the lowest place . To be fair, she felt attacked with the prison comments by Jackie and talk about "low," that's beneath even Teresa's version of sea level.  But an eating disorder is a medical condition...landing yourself in jail due to irresponsibility is NOT. 

Teresa shouldn't talk about disordered eating because she went from loving food and drink to deprivation levels for a body building competition. I think her body is flipping out a little now or she is making up for lost time bc as mentioned, shes not slender - just bulked up. 

Teresa is reptilian in her responses to other people's remarks. She will pick on the most sensitive thing that another woman has revealed on the show and stick it to them. She cannot argue logically or intellectually...the only thing she can do is call someone a bitch over and over and then sink as low as she can. I have to laugh at the poster who said it’s  the Teresa show...really? She's just Jersey trash that wouldn't even have a storyline this season except for the gross body building crap. 

Edited February 23, 2019 by kicksave

[breezy424]

I still don't buy that Tre's comment to Jackie (you're hungry) was about Jackie's eating disorder.  After watching this show from the beginning, I don't think she's that clever.  I think she just confused it.  IMO, she's that dumb.  Ingredienences , etc.  Could be wrong.

[Pop Tart]

12 hours ago, abbottrabbit said:

My second thought was that oof, I guess she's not planning to do a second fitness competition

I think she’s going to regret the extreme fitness kick she was on. If you don’t keep up the regimen your body goes to pot pretty quickly, especially at Teresa’s age and I think you can see that in the picture. 

[Hockey Addict]

Okay, so Hockey Addict's no therapist but in my view Teresa looks like years of stress have caught up with her and hit her upside the face. She's no longer in a furniture store pulling out dollar bills before coming home to her husband. She's no longer got her mom to help her and her dad's health is uncertain (which it was in the past but with one parent gone I think it's more of a worry for her).

[SweetieDarling]

Jackie did the eleventy-billion sparkly bobby pins look a la Dorit in last season's RHBH reunion. I don't like it. To me, it looks like the stylist overestimated the strength of the hairpin or underestimated the weight of the hair and just kept sticking more hairpins in, willy nilly, until it held the hair in place. I guess I'm old; I don't get it.

[kicksave]

16 hours ago, SoCal4Us said:

I agree with another poster above who mentioned that Teresa may have a type of learning disability. Here's my post from years ago...just my two cents...

S06.E16: Reunion Part 1

SoCal4Us replied to Lisin's topic in The Real Housewives Of New Jersey

I still think Teresa has auditory/speech processing issues - kind of like a synapse (not sure if that's the right word) between hearing words and understanding the actual sentence. In addition, she also doesn't seem to fully process nuance, tone, etc. IMO

 November 6, 2014

Or it could be that she has a low IQ.

[kicksave]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

Jackie did the eleventy-billion sparkly bobby pins look a la Dorit in last season's RHBH reunion. I don't like it. To me, it looks like the stylist overestimated the strength of the hairpin or underestimated the weight of the hair and just kept sticking more hairpins in, willy nilly, until it held the hair in place. I guess I'm old; I don't get it.

All of these women looked like Atlantic City escorts. Whoever does their hair and make up really piles it on...I mean the make up was so over the top on most of these women they almost looked like they were auditioning for Ru Paul's drag show. Melissa was the only one who was toned down in the make up...Jennifer looked like a sleazy belly dancer and Teresa just looks odd these days anyway and even more so with so much make up on. The "I Dream of Jeannie" pony extensions was not flattering and looked fake. Margaret has beautiful blue eyes but they are hidden behind these huge butterfly eyelashes. Honestly, the make up people aren't doing these women any favors...its almost like they are trolling the RHONJ.

[LibertarianSlut]

22 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I was speaking in context of Jennifer's attitude and how she refused to see the impression she was leaving despite the women explaining to her how she came across and that was my theory as to why she couldn't understand the criticism - however,  I think you took what I said in a far too literal sense than what I intended. Most relationships begin with discussions/commonalities on relatively shallow and mundane things. It's often what we rely on to get a first look at someone's personalities and what their life is like. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I don't know how successful someone would be if they tried to bond with people by asking them philosophical questions or talking politics right out of the gate.

Sorry, I didn't mean to take things out of context, and I understand and respect your explanation and see what you are saying and think it's valid.   If I can rephrase what I was trying to say...

The way I read (and went back and re-read) your post and understood it was that Jennifer and Teresa's relationship would likely not last because they bond over shallow things and they are mutually self-centered.  They don't "click," if I may be so bold, they just kinda drift...I get that (that's what I'm inferring; not that you said that outright).

This post spoke to me when I read it, and it jogged a lot of memories (and, in retrospect, I shouldn't have been so verbose in trying to make one point) but what I wanted to say was that some of my most lasting friendships--they are not deep, but they are long--are with people who have very little in common with me.  Not just at first, but people with whom I don't have much in common at all.  We don't really share the same values or thought patterns.  Your comparison of Teresa and Jennifer reminded me of the way my friends and I may have liked the same club or the same outfits, but we placed different levels of importance on those things, and we didn't have deep conversations.

I was thinking that maybe one of the reasons why my friendships worked was because I needed to get a little breathing room from the people from law school (when you go away to law school, your law school class becomes like a combination of middle school frenemies and in-laws who miraculously know all your business) even though I had much, more more in common with the people at school, and I valued those friendships much more, which reminded me of Teresa and Dina a bit.

Not that you mentioned Dina, but the post got me thinking about Teresa's friendships ("friendships"?).  Even though Teresa and Dina don't have a lot in common and their thought processes are completely different, they seem to adore each other.  Dina has said she wants to come back and be Teresa in another life, and Teresa made Dina Audrianna's godmother because she wanted Audrianna to be just like Dina.  It's more like a mutual admiration than a friendship maybe.  Dina (whom I loathe by the way) is way smarter than Teresa, and maybe one factor in the mysterious loyalty Dina has shown to Teresa (even over fambly!) is because I think Dina let things weigh on her (season one, when she worried herself into tears thinking Lexi was gonna get Lyme Disease at a water park in Cyprus, anyone?) might want to take a break and live in "Teresa world" for awhile.  So I just think people can be friends for strange and perverse reasons.

The last thing I will say about the women that I know as compared to the way some people characterize Teresa and Jennifer was that, even though my friends may not have been deep thinkers, they cared.  They had a loyalty that I hadn't really seen before.  They never talked behind each others' backs for instance.  They forgave me quickly after we would inevitably fight.  This was all alien to me. At the same time, they weren't all that interested in me as a person.  They didn't care to find out what made me tick (which is what I pretty much always want to do as soon as I meet someone, or I get bored, and that's my own character flaw).  My girls may not have tried to forge a deep bond with me, but somehow we appreciated each other, and I realize it more and more as time goes on. I see that a little in Teresa as in the way she was was with Jaqueline too.

Whenever I see Teresa, I usually think she is too dumb and self-centered to have friends (kind of like Kim Z, who doesn't have friends or extended family; she has her nuclear family and her employees), and that she's just surrounded by sycophants. But Teresa has proven me wrong, because she has kept a friendship with Dina and Jacqueline (even though that ended, it was fairly long and genuine).  I do think she is like Kim Z in that her "core people" will always be her dad, her brother and her kids (I was going to say Juicy, but then I saw those pics and yikes).  That's for a whole other post!

So when Teresa's friendship with Jennifer comes up, I start thinking about all kinds of friendships, Teresa's and my own, and how people can form bonds, selfishness, stupidity, and shallowness notwithstanding (que the opening to Arrested Develpment).  

Y'all...sorrry I have been in such overexplanation mode on this thread this week.  Next week I will make an effort to go easy on the posting.  Starting to get a little tired of myself in all honesty.  I love the discussion, though.

[Midnight Cheese]

So Jackie is proud of walking away from graduating from Fordham and getting licensed, to writing trite pennysaver-level essays, vanquishing Mrs. Ingredientses* in verbal putdowns, and otherwise representing intellectuals on Bravo’s most doy** Housewives franchise?  Not to get too Shania in a catsuit, but LOL.   Not impressive.  She’s just a sister-user Look At My Eating Disorder snore who couldn’t hack associate life exactly when her performance would matter most.   There’s no shame whatsoever in that last bit, right up until she acts like she’s RBG x Didion, and, uh, no.  I’ll leave it at that.   Her life story is BTDT  absolutely everywhere in the tristate.  LOL again.

* Tre is awful.   None of that makes Hungry Thirsty Boring User Jackie one bit better.  Pathetic.

** Thousands of miles away, Vicki flares her enormous nostrils and clicks Add To Cart on a trophy for a new Le Tip award.

Edited February 24, 2019 by Midnight Cheese

[RHJunkie]

4 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Sorry, I didn't mean to take things out of context, and I understand and respect your explanation and see what you are saying and think it's valid.   If I can rephrase what I was trying to say...

The way I read (and went back and re-read) your post and understood it was that Jennifer and Teresa's relationship would likely not last because they bond over shallow things and they are mutually self-centered.  They don't "click," if I may be so bold, they just kinda drift...I get that (that's what I'm inferring; not that you said that outright).

This post spoke to me when I read it, and it jogged a lot of memories (and, in retrospect, I shouldn't have been so verbose in trying to make one point) but what I wanted to say was that some of my most lasting friendships--they are not deep, but they are long--are with people who have very little in common with me.  Not just at first, but people with whom I don't have much in common at all.  We don't really share the same values or thought patterns.  Your comparison of Teresa and Jennifer reminded me of the way my friends and I may have liked the same club or the same outfits, but we placed different levels of importance on those things, and we didn't have deep conversations.

I was thinking that maybe one of the reasons why my friendships worked was because I needed to get a little breathing room from the people from law school (when you go away to law school, your law school class becomes like a combination of middle school frenemies and in-laws who miraculously know all your business) even though I had much, more more in common with the people at school, and I valued those friendships much more, which reminded me of Teresa and Dina a bit.

Not that you mentioned Dina, but the post got me thinking about Teresa's friendships ("friendships"?).  Even though Teresa and Dina don't have a lot in common and their thought processes are completely different, they seem to adore each other.  Dina has said she wants to come back and be Teresa in another life, and Teresa made Dina Audrianna's godmother because she wanted Audrianna to be just like Dina.  It's more like a mutual admiration than a friendship maybe.  Dina (whom I loathe by the way) is way smarter than Teresa, and maybe one factor in the mysterious loyalty Dina has shown to Teresa (even over fambly!) is because I think Dina let things weigh on her (season one, when she worried herself into tears thinking Lexi was gonna get Lyme Disease at a water park in Cyprus, anyone?) might want to take a break and live in "Teresa world" for awhile.  So I just think people can be friends for strange and perverse reasons.

The last thing I will say about the women that I know as compared to the way some people characterize Teresa and Jennifer was that, even though my friends may not have been deep thinkers, they cared.  They had a loyalty that I hadn't really seen before.  They never talked behind each others' backs for instance.  They forgave me quickly after we would inevitably fight.  This was all alien to me. At the same time, they weren't all that interested in me as a person.  They didn't care to find out what made me tick (which is what I pretty much always want to do as soon as I meet someone, or I get bored, and that's my own character flaw).  My girls may not have tried to forge a deep bond with me, but somehow we appreciated each other, and I realize it more and more as time goes on. I see that a little in Teresa as in the way she was was with Jaqueline too.

Whenever I see Teresa, I usually think she is too dumb and self-centered to have friends (kind of like Kim Z, who doesn't have friends or extended family; she has her nuclear family and her employees), and that she's just surrounded by sycophants. But Teresa has proven me wrong, because she has kept a friendship with Dina and Jacqueline (even though that ended, it was fairly long and genuine).  I do think she is like Kim Z in that her "core people" will always be her dad, her brother and her kids (I was going to say Juicy, but then I saw those pics and yikes).  That's for a whole other post!

So when Teresa's friendship with Jennifer comes up, I start thinking about all kinds of friendships, Teresa's and my own, and how people can form bonds, selfishness, stupidity, and shallowness notwithstanding (que the opening to Arrested Develpment).  

Y'all...sorrry I have been in such overexplanation mode on this thread this week.  Next week I will make an effort to go easy on the posting.  Starting to get a little tired of myself in all honesty.  I love the discussion, though.

No worries...I understand how you interpreted my post and totally get what you were saying and still do. Even though it wasn't what I intended, there's definitely value in you sharing your experiences because you make a great point (and I don't in any way want to undermine that) that relationships are more than just a checking off boxes and finding paper matches. There's nothing that can truly replace the feelings and experiences you have with people and even if just something seemingly shallow to start, it can mean so much more than a person who may share a lot of the same values or life experiences as you. I can certainly relate to your situation - I've made some great friendships that started off with a conversation about our mutual singleness...that's not exactly a high threshold, lol. But when it works, it just works.

Not to get too far off from the episode but I have also wondered how Teresa has managed to keep a close friendship with Dina. I think Dina's personality lends itself to Teresa's demeanor but I'm also inclined to believe that Dina leaving the show so early on in its run may have helped keep things smooth sailings in their friendship without having to deal with any hiccups.

[renatae]

On 2/22/2019 at 5:32 PM, RHJunkie said:

I was speaking in context of Jennifer's attitude and how she refused to see the impression she was leaving despite the women explaining to her how she came across and that was my theory as to why she couldn't understand the criticism - however,  I think you took what I said in a far too literal sense than what I intended. Most relationships begin with discussions/commonalities on relatively shallow and mundane things. It's often what we rely on to get a first look at someone's personalities and what their life is like. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I don't know how successful someone would be if they tried to bond with people by asking them philosophical questions or talking politics right out of the gate.

Right! I bonded with a stranger over the fact that we were both appalled at the the first sight of our off post housing at the base our Officer Candidate husbands were assigned to. We said simultaneously, "I cried when I first saw it!" Instant affinity, lol.

[geauxaway]

2 hours ago, Midnight Cheese said:

So Jackie is proud of walking away from graduating from Fordham and getting licensed, to writing trite pennysaver-level essays, vanquishing Mrs. Ingredientses* in verbal putdowns, and otherwise representing intellectuals on Bravo’s most doy** Housewives franchise?  Not to get too Shania in a catsuit, but LOL.   Not impressive.  She’s just a sister-user Look At My Eating Disorder snore who couldn’t hack associate life exactly when her performance would matter most.   There’s no shame whatsoever in that last bit, right up until she acts like she’s RBG x Didion, and, uh, no.  I’ll leave it at that.   Her life story is BTDT  absolutely everywhere in the tristate.  LOL again.

* Tre is awful.   None of that makes Hungry Thirsty Boring User Jackie one bit better.  Pathetic.

** Thousands of miles away, Vicki flares her enormous nostrils and clicks Add To Cart on a trophy for a new Le Tip award.

Br

 

[swankie]

On 2/21/2019 at 9:21 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

   Ironically enough, if Margaret would just turn on Teresa, I would like her a hell of a lot more.  I think it's of such poor character for her to go toe-to-toe with Jennifer, but let Teresa slide because you don't want to be ghosted from the show.

Hey, it's all about money, ain't a damned thing funny.  Seriously, these women know a good paying gig when they see one and they want to get paid.  Unless you own your own business everyone has to cowtow to someone in the workplace in order to keep their job.  On this show it's Teresa.  Thats just the way it is.

[renatae]

17 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Jackie did the eleventy-billion sparkly bobby pins look a la Dorit in last season's RHBH reunion. I don't like it. To me, it looks like the stylist overestimated the strength of the hairpin or underestimated the weight of the hair and just kept sticking more hairpins in, willy nilly, until it held the hair in place. I guess I'm old; I don't get it.

Yup! That's exactly what I said last year about Dorit's hairstyle. Hers looked worse, though. I think she had twice the pins in half the space.

[SoCal4Us]

On 2/23/2019 at 10:24 AM, kicksave said:

Or it could be that she has a low IQ.

True...maybe it could be both.  Undiagnosed/untreated processing issues, along with education and speaking English at home not prioritized in her family.

[Castina]

I feel like I have to preface this post stating that if I ever had to spend time with any of the NJ housewives I'd choose Delores first and then Melissa of the last few seasons.  I felt the need to say that because I am about to defend Teresa to some degree.  

And by defend I mean express some serious doubts and skepticism about Jackie.  She's a mixture of NYC Alex McCord when she decided she had to be confrontational to keep her spot and first season Melissa who came on the show to get famous off the back of Teresa by taking her on.  Nothing about her pings genuine to me and I think that is what Teresa so painfully can't articulate.  She´ll never win a war of words with anyone but she can smell agenda a mile away and Jackie came on that show with a clear plan and agenda imo.  On one hand she feigns ignorance and having no preconceived notions of the women while the evidence shows she has clearly been a fan for some time.  I just watched part 1 a few hours ago and it made me curious enough to stroll through her instagram, aside from all the "dream team" and "my girls" tags about Margaret and Melissa I thought it was interesting that on February 7, 2018 she shared a photo of a  cover story she did on the other New Jersey Jacquie and autism.  For me that is the final confirmation I need.  

Teresa is many of the things people say she is but she's also shrewd enough to know this woman came on to make a name for herself by going after Teresa.  Will be interesting to see who comes out on top as she does some major sucking up to Andy that Teresa might have a battle on her hands.  I wouldn't be surprised if production is supporting Jackie because Teresa has been too zen for them the last few seasons, she might just get a bonus now for provoking Teresa's desire to throw something at her. 

Bottom line I really don't like Jackie.  All the other nuts on this show have some degree of sincerity to them, not this one.

[TVFANNO1]

1 hour ago, Castina said:

I feel like I have to preface this post stating that if I ever had to spend time with any of the NJ housewives I'd choose Delores first and then Melissa of the last few seasons.  I felt the need to say that because I am about to defend Teresa to some degree.  

And by defend I mean express some serious doubts and skepticism about Jackie.  She's a mixture of NYC Alex McCord when she decided she had to be confrontational to keep her spot and first season Melissa who came on the show to get famous off the back of Teresa by taking her on.  Nothing about her pings genuine to me and I think that is what Teresa so painfully can't articulate.  She´ll never win a war of words with anyone but she can smell agenda a mile away and Jackie came on that show with a clear plan and agenda imo.  On one hand she feigns ignorance and having no preconceived notions of the women while the evidence shows she has clearly been a fan for some time.  I just watched part 1 a few hours ago and it made me curious enough to stroll through her instagram, aside from all the "dream team" and "my girls" tags about Margaret and Melissa I thought it was interesting that on February 7, 2018 she shared a photo of a  cover story she did on the other New Jersey Jacquie and autism.  For me that is the final confirmation I need.  

Teresa is many of the things people say she is but she's also shrewd enough to know this woman came on to make a name for herself by going after Teresa.  Will be interesting to see who comes out on top as she does some major sucking up to Andy that Teresa might have a battle on her hands.  I wouldn't be surprised if production is supporting Jackie because Teresa has been too zen for them the last few seasons, she might just get a bonus now for provoking Teresa's desire to throw something at her. 

Bottom line I really don't like Jackie.  All the other nuts on this show have some degree of sincerity to them, not this one.

I've just been watching some of the older seasons and I reckon you have it in a nutshell.

Not that I like Theresa that much but I do think Jackie has an agenda and is rather cruel in her twitter page about Theresa.

I do think Theresa is out of line for expecting Melissa to control Joe though.

[kicksave]

7 hours ago, SoCal4Us said:

True...maybe it could be both.  Undiagnosed/untreated processing issues, along with education and speaking English at home not prioritized in her family.

I’m going with low IQ.

[Kiki777]

6 hours ago, Castina said:

Teresa is many of the things people say she is but she's also shrewd enough to know this woman came on to make a name for herself by going after Teresa. 

I agree wih you that Jackie probably has an agenda.  However, I don't think I would ever call Teresa shrewd - just paranoid, but this time she just happens to be right :-)

I'm all for a Teresa takedown - her ego is totally out of control.  I thought prison would humble her, but she's worse than ever.  

[Otherkate]

6 hours ago, Castina said:

Bottom line I really don't like Jackie.  All the other nuts on this show have some degree of sincerity to them, not this one.

Good lord, yes. A million times yes. I haven't been able to stand this boring woman from day 1. I get that it's exciting to see someone take on Teresa (even though it pretty much happens every single year now), but this woman? No. There is not a single thing that is authentic about her or anything she's dishing out. She's going up against Tre and Jennifer and yet I'm still not able to root for her. That's how awful I find her presence to be on this show. I mean, like it's some great accomplishment to outsmart Teresa Giudice. Teresa? Seriously? She's as dim as they come, but at least I don't feel like she's putting on an act. 

I really don't mind Jackie thinking that Teresa is dumb, but I resent the hell out of her thinking that the audience is dumb too. I see you, Jackie, you thirsty, boring, transparent woman who I literally only recognize because you argued with Teresa. 

Edited February 25, 2019 by Otherkate

[LibertarianSlut]

19 hours ago, swankie said:

Hey, it's all about money, ain't a damned thing funny.  Seriously, these women know a good paying gig when they see one and they want to get paid.  Unless you own your own business everyone has to cowtow to someone in the workplace in order to keep their job.  On this show it's Teresa.  Thats just the way it is.

I agree, it is about the money for Margaret. But unless Margaret is struggling to put food on the table, or she can't keep a roof over her and Joe's head, I am going to judge her charachter for opening up a "big fresh mouth" (as my mom would say lol) to Siggy, Kim D, Danielle, and Jennifer, but staying mum around Teresa out of reverence for the almighty dollar.

There have been a whole line of women who came on and were subsequently ghosted from RHNYC for not kissing Bethenny's ass (Heather, Kristen, Jules, and Carole) and I respect them for being willing to lose their jobs over their principles.  Margaret may have a face lift, but she doesn't have my respect in that regard (and I imagine she's fine with that). 

By kowtowing to Teresa, Margaret is perpetuating Teresa's reign as queen bee of "her" show.  Which, if Margaret likes Teresa, I love it, but I don't think she can be the head of Left Couch, yet literally get slackjawwed when it's time for Teresa to get called to the carpet.  For all her flaws, at least Jackie is speaking up.

On a related topic, what actually changed between Jackie and Teresa since Jackie's sit-down with Dolores about how to get along with Teresa, their make up, and now?  Did I miss a conflict, or is someone just seated a little too close to the end?  

[Midnight Cheese]

Some of the posters on Lipstick Alley have given some tea about thirsty Jackie:

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I got some tea on Miss Jackie. Her maiden name is Mark which is a coincidence since Melissa is Marco. Also, she did know Siggy since they live in the same town and are FB friends. However, in one of her first blog posts she called Soggy out writing that “there’s a new Jewish chick in town but this one isn’t a crier”. I kind of want Siggy to come back to see them feuding now. Still though, as much as I love how articulate and sharp Jackie is she does act super holier and though when she’s desperate and thirsty deep down.

“I’m tougher than Siggy and smarter than Teresa!”

Jackie is a fake, trite, asshole, who can only go for low-hanging fruit.  She’s nowhere near as bright as she thinks she is.  And while I hope she’s one and done,  I’m confident she’ll bury her actual real-life social life and degrade herself fully with additional seasons, so, hilarity will ensue either way.  

Edited February 25, 2019 by Midnight Cheese

[Gigi43]

Not to pile on Jackie but I did think Teresa had one good comment with "you're a lawyer... but you're a blogger." Ive thought Jackie's jobs seems like a waste of a degree. I know lawyers go into real journalism because they can spot when shady things are going on. But it seems to be opinion pieces on lifestyles. Which I also don't consider journalism and she called herself a journalist once this season. Nope. Ronan Farrow is a journalist, utilizing his law degree. You're an opinion writer/blogger. 

A bakery on Instagram I follow posted pics of a dessert table they did this weekend that was Chanel themed. CC cookies, cupcakes the chocolates covered oreos with the logo, rice krispys, the works. Maybe Jennifer was back in Queens and had a party at Russos On The Bay. It looked so right up her alley! 

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I agree, it is about the money for Margaret. But unless Margaret is struggling to put food on the table, or she can't keep a roof over her and Joe's head, I am going to judge her charachter for opening up a "big fresh mouth" (as my mom would say lol) to Siggy, Kim D, Danielle, and Jennifer, but staying mum around Teresa out of reverence for the almighty dollar.

There have been a whole line of women who came on and were subsequently ghosted from RHNYC for not kissing Bethenny's ass (Heather, Kristen, Jules, and Carole) and I respect them for being willing to lose their jobs over their principles.  Margaret may have a face lift, but she doesn't have my respect in that regard (and I imagine she's fine with that). 

By kowtowing to Teresa, Margaret is perpetuating Teresa's reign as queen bee of "her" show.  Which, if Margaret likes Teresa, I love it, but I don't think she can be the head of Left Couch, yet literally get slackjawwed when it's time for Teresa to get called to the carpet.  For all her flaws, at least Jackie is speaking up.

I don't know if this is what is really going on with Margaret and Tre, though. Margaret went hard for Jennifer. But she didn't know Jennifer prior to this year. And they go to OK right off the bat, where Jennifer is incredibly belittling to her friend. Margaret has known Teresa for a few years now; and I think they've gotten on pretty well? So I think she's TRYING to give Teresa a bit more grace before drawing the line. Time will tell. 

[HunterHunted]

4 hours ago, Gigi43 said:

Not to pile on Jackie but I did think Teresa had one good comment with "you're a lawyer... but you're a blogger." Ive thought Jackie's jobs seems like a waste of a degree. I know lawyers go into real journalism because they can spot when shady things are going on. But it seems to be opinion pieces on lifestyles. Which I also don't consider journalism and she called herself a journalist once this season. Nope. Ronan Farrow is a journalist, utilizing his law degree. You're an opinion writer/blogger. 

And Aviva has never worked as an attorney a single day in her life, despite having a JD. She's also never taught or authored pieces on French literature despite having a master's degree in the subject. This criticism irritates me because I have a JD that I don't use in a typical attorney job and I'm fine with that. However, lots of people go to school and get a degree only to realize that they can't stand working in that field. It also seems to be a criticism that's only leveled at people we dislike. No one ever says it's a waste that Hill Harper isn't using his JD or Masters in public administration. Or John Legend and his English degree, Ken Jeong his medical degree, Danica McKellar under using her math degree, Dexter Holland's PhD in molecular biology, Marcia Cross' Masters in psychology, Dolph Lundgren his Masters in chemical engineering; the man had a Fulbright scholarship to do his PhD at MIT. Or Mayim Bialik and her PhD in neuroscience.

Peter Weller realized he had a passion for art after he became an actor. He earned a PhD in art history. Now he acts, directs, and teaches art history courses.

Jackie may not have loved being an attorney. She's switched careers. What's the bigger waste? Slaving away at a job or career that you hate because you earned a degree in it or finding your passion and doing something that brings you joy. If she was unhappy practicing law, it's better that she didn't buy into the sunk costs fallacy and make herself miserable for the rest of her life.

[Midnight Cheese]

Hunter Hunted, I love you and don’t disagree, fundamentally even a little bit, about people finding their way and their joy in less-known paths, post JD - it’s what I’ve done, too.   I don’t think it applies to Jackie, who I personally find uniquely insincere and disingenuous.   I’m lifting again, cropping a bit, from a genius poster at Lipstick Alley - he or she summed up my issues with Jackie:

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 She admitted that her own parents were criminals yet continues to talk about Teresa and her husband. She involved herself in Melissa and Teresa’s family issues but hasn’t spoken to her own sister in 15 years. She judges Jennifer for being a one upper but has bragged about her law degree all season. She made light of Teresa being a best selling author but boasts about her raggedy little newspaper column. Her brother is mentally handicapped yet she continues to take shots at Teresa’s intelligence. The truth is Jackie is underwhelming in all aspects of life so that law degree is the only thing she has to hold on to. She’s unattractive, boring, pretentious, insufferable and thirsty for fame. She’s envious of Teresa’s popularity on the show and views her as a threat. She fails to realize that anyone can get a degree but not everyone can be popular. There’s nothing endearing, remarkable or memorable about Jackie and her ugly family. She’s a know it all who really doesn’t know shit.

I’m not quite as vehement, believe it or not, but I see no lies detected in that poster’s description of Jackie.  And FWIW, I actually mean it when I say of course one should use her degree or not use it at all - signed, superfan of Elie Mystal’s media appearances and Ken Jeong’s acting.

Edited February 26, 2019 by Midnight Cheese
Totally confused by how to edit quickly and cleanly!

[SweetieDarling]

I'm on the fence about Jackie. I'm not convinced that she came on the show with any other agenda than being a Housewife of New Jersey. Her (super?)fandom contributing. Do I believe she was stalking Teresa? No. Did she come on the show with the intention of starting shit with T? I dunno. Lots of HWs (Rinna) claim the purpose of being on the show (how to stay on the show) is to "bring the drama". Was she waiting for the perfect opportunity to bring up Joe being in prison? I'm not sure. It certainly was a poor analogy about controlling husbands (the argument was about controlling bro-Joe's reactions/emotions, not his daily business doings). Then there's the blog about the visit to Jennifer's house...ok, it wasn't really that bad, and didn't throw lots of shade, but she HAD to know it would provoke a reaction, especially without giving Jennifer a heads-up, or letting her read the blog first. She was certainly trying to earn her,... whatever it is the Jersey wives hold. What do they hold? (Damn! now I have to pay attention to the opening.).

I think she needs another season to let her true self/agenda come out. They usually let down their guard a bit in their second season. 

[Hockey Addict]

It's easy to see why Tre took to liking and defending Jennifer. They are so much alike! Jennifer's goes for the wine glass and turns it into a weapon. Tre chooses to grab something to throw at Jackie. Both of them go back to their go to setting automatically which is to get physical. Neanderthals stick together I guess. Similarity number two? They both allude to old school/old time values. Cheating on a spouse is not okay but committing fraud for the almighty dollar is ok. Oh, and you as a woman need to do whatever you must to keep your marriage alive or whatever Jennifer said. So if her husband was caught calling her a B and a CU next Tuesday on TV she would still stay? Oh, and you don't talk about family! Except when it's talking about someone else's mom being a home wrecker. But don't you dare mention Joe being in prison or deported even if it's common knowledge and you make money from showing your life on TV. Nobody on this cast is an angel but just saying.

[kicksave]

11 hours ago, Gigi43 said:

Not to pile on Jackie but I did think Teresa had one good comment with "you're a lawyer... but you're a blogger." Ive thought Jackie's jobs seems like a waste of a degree. I know lawyers go into real journalism because they can spot when shady things are going on. But it seems to be opinion pieces on lifestyles. Which I also don't consider journalism and she called herself a journalist once this season. Nope. Ronan Farrow is a journalist, utilizing his law degree. You're an opinion writer/blogger. 

A bakery on Instagram I follow posted pics of a dessert table they did this weekend that was Chanel themed. CC cookies, cupcakes the chocolates covered oreos with the logo, rice krispys, the works. Maybe Jennifer was back in Queens and had a party at Russos On The Bay. It looked so right up her alley! 

She also has four children...writing a column for a local paper can be done from her home which makes it great when you have four kids. I don't think it's a big deal that she quit the grind of being a lawyer to stay home with her kids while they're young. She needs to come off her high horse and quit calling herself a journalist...ha ha ha. She does a soccer mom opinion piece...it's not like she's an investigative journalist with the New York Times. It reminds me of Teresa calling Joe an "entrepreneur". 

[RHJunkie]

15 hours ago, Midnight Cheese said:

Hunter Hunted, I love you and don’t disagree, fundamentally even a little bit, about people finding their way and their joy in less-known paths, post JD - it’s what I’ve done, too.   I don’t think it applies to Jackie, who I personally find uniquely insincere and disingenuous.   I’m lifting again, cropping a bit, from a genius poster at Lipstick Alley - he or she summed up my issues with Jackie:

I’m not quite as vehement, believe it or not, but I see no lies detected in that poster’s description of Jackie.  And FWIW, I actually mean it when I say of course one should use her degree or not use it at all - signed, superfan of Elie Mystal’s media appearances and Ken Jeong’s acting.

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The quote you posted isn't totally untrue...it's not totally true either. It insinuates that Jackie has been making Teresa and Joe's legal issue a topic of conversation. She didn't. She tried to make an analogy (I personally don't think it fit the situation correctly but it wasn't wholly off the mark) and once Teresa blew up about (which was immediate), Jackie spent the rest of her interactions with Teresa trying to smooth it out, not rub it in Teresa's face. She was more cutthroat at the reunion but it can be argued that she was fed up trying to make reason with Teresa.

She involved herself in Teresa and Melissa's situation because Teresa made an antiquated claim about a woman being able to control her husband and suggested that Melissa wasn't doing her job as a wife, hence why Joe is not spending time with their father and why Joe is mad with Teresa for bringing it up. I could be completely estranged from my entire family, that doesn't mean that I'm unable to see an unfair accusation being thrown at someone and try to diffuse the situation. It's not like Jackie spent the entire season trying to repair Teresa and Melissa's relationship. The idea that Jackie can't have an opinion at all when it comes to family members arguing because she doesn't talk to her sister seems unreasonable to me.

My memory may not be great on this one but I don't think Jackie has 'bragged' about having a law degree. She was meeting everyone for the first time, bringing up that she studied law and was a lawyer for years is part of her story. I would agree that it would be bragging if she used her law degree as a way to speak over others and insinuate that she is right because she has a law degree. I don't recall her doing that during the season. Again, the reunion was a different story where she insinuated her intelligence was greater than Teresa's and she was no match for her in a war of words but it was Teresa that was bringing up her degrees and in a way suggesting that her education is BS because Jackie is just a 'blogger'.

So all that to say, the post you quote isn't a lie, but there are nuances to the situation that doesn't make that summary all that accurate or genuine to me. If we're going to pick apart people for saying or doing something that is seemingy out of line, then ALL of the women would have to get in line and take their beatings and still, Jackie would probably standing last in that line.

[Hockey Addict]

Tre doesn't even need to be responded to. She's like one of those reptiles that bites themselves eventually and dies from their own venom. She can hiss, flick her tongue, and use her rattle but if she strikes she knows what can happen. She's already a convicted felon and this time if she ever goes away again Juicy's not around so what would happen to her kids. Nono isn't healthy and in general once one spouse dies the other follows not long after that.

[walnutqueen]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

The quote you posted isn't totally untrue...it's not totally true either. It insinuates that Jackie has been making Teresa and Joe's legal issue a topic of conversation. She didn't. She tried to make an analogy (I personally don't think it fit the situation correctly but it wasn't wholly off the mark) and once Teresa blew up about (which was immediate), Jackie spent the rest of her interactions with Teresa trying to smooth it out, not rub it in Teresa's face. She was more cutthroat at the reunion but it can be argued that she was fed up trying to make reason with Teresa.

She involved herself in Teresa and Melissa's situation because Teresa made an antiquated claim about a woman being able to control her husband and suggested that Melissa wasn't doing her job as a wife, hence why Joe is not spending time with their father and why Joe is mad with Teresa for bringing it up. I could be completely estranged from my entire family, that doesn't mean that I'm unable to see an unfair accusation being thrown at someone and try to diffuse the situation. It's not like Jackie spent the entire season trying to repair Teresa and Melissa's relationship. The idea that Jackie can't have an opinion at all when it comes to family members arguing because she doesn't talk to her sister seems unreasonable to me.

My memory may not be great on this one but I don't think Jackie has 'bragged' about having a law degree. She was meeting everyone for the first time, bringing up that she studied law and was a lawyer for years is part of her story. I would agree that it would be bragging if she used her law degree as a way to speak over others and insinuate that she is right because she has a law degree. I don't recall her doing that during the season. Again, the reunion was a different story where she insinuated her intelligence was greater than Teresa's and she was no match for her in a war of words but it was Teresa that was bringing up her degrees and in a way suggesting that her education is BS because Jackie is just a 'blogger'.

So all that to say, the post you quote isn't a lie, but there are nuances to the situation that doesn't make that summary all that accurate or genuine to me. If we're going to pick apart people for saying or doing something that is seemingy out of line, then ALL of the women would have to get in line and take their beatings and still, Jackie would probably standing last in that line.

I'm giving this post a reclining ovation, RHJunkie.  (I'd stand, but am afraid the cat sleeping on my "chest" might murder me!).

[Hockey Addict]

Jennifer really needs to do some research on her culture's homeland. Turkish women (and this is well documented) live in a male dominated society to the core. The president has called women that work or don't have kids insufficient, deficient, or something along those lines (Melda wants to have babies right away too). The country also (getting this from Harvard Political Review) has television shows that display domestic violence but do it to where it's seen as even romantic. Also, it doesn't help that said president believes that women's natures are so different that being equal to men is against natural design.

[Hockey Addict]

If I were really nasty and had no compassionate then I would have pulled the snark spices out from my cabinet of mental ingrediences and used it on Jennifer. Mail order bride? Ha! How about mail order bride desperate to get the F outta dodge so she can have babies and be not deficient in America where we don't romanticize men that act like animals? Take note Marge. Poor Melda. Well at least here if her husband turns out to be one of those Heckyll or Jyde types that has two personalities our government won't kill her for speaking out.

[gritz]

When Jennifer was grilling Margaret about getting with another man while still married, Teresa looked at the floor and went silent. First time in nine seasons she's displayed any semblance of shame.

And, next episode she's picking up shit to throw. What's the over-under on this dumbfucked heffa getting popped again?

[Koalagirl]

After watching this I am so glad I took it off my dvr series manager after the first couple of episodes. 

[lezlers]

On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 11:07 AM, LibertarianSlut said:

Jackie--with her JD from Fordham of all places (no shade, I am actually very impressed) messed up by saying that she had no preconceived notions about the show, after which she admitted that she was a fan enough of Teresa's to wait on line at a bookstore to meet her.  I liked Jennifer (and even Gina from OC) owning that they've watched the show before.  If Jackie was a fan enough of Teresa's to wait on line to meet her, she clearly had a notion--positive, I'm assuming--about at least one cast member.  The fact that this notion occurred prior to joining the show renders it "preconceived."  All hail to the great lawyer...I guess until you apply logic to her statements.

I noticed that when Teresa repeatedly stated that it was her show and that everyone who went against her was gone (!!!), Andy never took the opportunity to correct her.  Fucking amazing start to the reunion.  I knew God had a plan when He allowed me to sit through the three-part trite that was the Married to Medicine reunion.

I am team right couch--and it took me about half the season to make the switch, but now I am firmly planted there--for many reasons.  Probably too many to get into in this post, but I will say:

Melissa, I see you over there.  The one whose first words uttered on this show were literally: "I tend to be very spoiled.  So what?"  Now you're gonna rag on Jennifer?  To quote Britney Spears, "get back." To quote me, "get back, you make me sick rehabbing your image every year.  At one time you were an Evangelist for Jesus, now you don't even know what a confirmation is, you lied about your obvious rhinoplasty (and God knows what else) numerous time to the fans and your boss, Andy, alike. I believe that you own a store about as much as I believe you have sex every other night.  Stop playing at being Jennifer Lopez, when you are really Fiona Gallagher from Shameless.  Go back to your model home." 

Margaret, was anything that Jennifer said untrue?  You can't, on the one hand, flippantly call someone's brother's future wife a "mail order bride" and then get in your feelings when someone characterizes your mother as "a home wrecker," when that person gained that information from something you proudly spouted on camera and in front of all of the women.  Also, put on your big girl pants and go against Teresa.  At least Jackie and Melissa are willing to do that, but you're still kissing her ass.  Why?  Coward.  

Dolores, I find you boring, and it is simply untrue that Teresa's reading comprehension is fine.  Teresa's speaking comprehension doesn't even pass muster.  You're wrong.  But I did like how she said her family was more important to her than being skinny.  True story.

Jennifer does not appear smart, but I really appreciated that she came to the reunion loaded for bear.  She, unlike Jackie, seems determined to hang on to her spot, and I appreciate the effort she must have put in (I imagine one of the rooms in the mansion having walls made of white board, onto which she could plot what to say, and it worked).  She had like three of four words or phrases to which she kept coming back ("taboo" and "stigma" are the only ones that come to mind at the moment), and she kept at her points.  She never got distracted.  She admitted that the mail order bride comment hit home because it was close to the truth.  She took responsibility for a lot of things, like Oklahoma, but no one ever got her off of her talking points (which is what a politician needs to be able to do to win).  Call me ridiculous, but I floved her "rainbow" analogy.  I think she is just what this cast needs to survive.  New blood that is going to be "Jersey" and say, "Andy, if you just saw a great fucking rainbow and someone else said they saw a rainbow, wouldn't you tell them you just saw the greatest fucking rainbow?'  I mean, she's not a smart lady, but she is gold for this show IMO.

Teresa--I am on her side as of this moment.  It's just that everyone else is behaving worse, but they're dressing it up better.  What I will say is that she definitely meant what she said when she asked Jackie if Jackie was hungry.  Nice try in eleventh hour manipulation, Jen, but Teresa did not mean to ask if Jackie was thirsty.  IMO Teresa was going after Jackie's former eating disorder and engaging in clear mean girl middle school tactics when she did so.  Am I going to weep over it?  Do i care about Jackie and her tummy tuck and her article and her non-stoyline and her kinda nice (but not really nice) home in Tenafly?  Not really.  I don't care enough about her feelings to feel bad if someone comes after an old eating disorder, but make no mistake, that is what Teresa did, and she did it with premeditation.  

I would be sorta titillated if Caroline came back.  

So...she gives a nasty middle school low blow and that's your reasoning for siding with her?  I'm confused.   I mean, there's a reason NO ONE is on team right couch.   Do you also think Danielle is in the right?  Just wondering.

[BrindaWalsh]

Here's the deal.  Neither side is right.

I'm team no couch.  They are all hypocrites.  Tre doesn't like Margaret throwing wine and speaking ill of other people's husbands, but she screamed about Melissa for years and nearly flipped a table towards Danielle and was about to throw something at Jackie.  Melissa screams that kids and mothers are off limits but just a couple of years ago stated she was moving because she didn't want her daughter near Tre's girls.  Jennifer talks about a lack of class with the others but threatened someone with a broken glass and went down in housewives history as being a horrible houseguest.  Jackie is all "I'm smart and real and upfront" and then throws shade every way possible with no remorse.  And those are just a few examples.

They hypocrisy is real, people.  

[LibertarianSlut]

17 minutes ago, lezlers said:

So...she gives a nasty middle school low blow and that's your reasoning for siding with her?  I'm confused.   I mean, there's a reason NO ONE is on team right couch.   Do you also think Danielle is in the right?  Just wondering.

Hmm, Teresa's low blow was not the reason i side with her; I side with her in spite of that.  It may become apparent why I side with her if you read my other posts, but if it's not, hey, then I guess there is just one more wonder of the world 🙂

Oh, here's something: There are several posters who are team right couch.

Here's something else: I don't side with everyone else; I say what I think is right.  Learned it from Old Abe.

 I also tend not to succumb to middle-school level intimidation tactics.  

Have a blessed evening.  Enjoy the harvest moon.