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Not to mention how Leah has probably accelerated Ali's physical decline because she refuses to follow the fucking rules regarding the wheel chair and physical activity. Barb has made sure that Ja

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Maryssa is free! Hallelujah. Two down, two to go.

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Look, who are we to judge? Look, if you're married for any amount of time, or really in any sort of regular, healthy relationship, who among you HASN'T threatened their significant other with posting

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2 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

From the article druzy posted above:

UPDATE! WEtv has released a statement, via Hollywood Life, stating that Jenelle will not appear on their show.

“WE tv has no plans to cast Jenelle Evans on Marriage Boot Camp,” a WEtv spokesperson told the site. 

Told ya!  

And yay!  If even Marriage Boot Camp doesn’t want you, you’re definitely tv poison.  Congratulations, Jenelle.

Haha!! They're selling untrue stories to Radar and TMZ . I wonder if they still get paid if it's all another big, fat lie?

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14 hours ago, JerseyGirl said:

I know, just drop the show, MTV.  The series has run it's course, no one wants to see Kail and Leah frolic in the Costa Rica surf on MTV's dime or watch the coven in their misery or watch Chelsea sit on a couch in sweatpants.  

I don't even know who this new girl is nor do I feel I want to invest any more time on TM2.

The show is done.  Get rid of it entirely.  

Agreed. The only family I care about seeing is Chelsea and Cole because they appear to have stayed true to who they are. But I can follow them on Insta if I need my fix. And even though Leah appears to have gotten her shit together, I can't watch her. I have pretty much stopped watching the show...I have the last 7 episodes recorded but man are they an effort to try to slog through. 

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3 hours ago, lovesnark said:

Haha!! They're selling untrue stories to Radar and TMZ . I wonder if they still get paid if it's all another big, fat lie?

According to The Ashley, MBC was trying to cast Jenelle and David for awhile now, but MTV wouldn’t give them permission. So I bet Jenelle thought that booking MBC was a lock after getting fired from MTV.  But nope.  Not anymore.  

Welcome to your new reality, Jenelle.  

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14 hours ago, ShaNaeNae said:

[snip] I could not believe the amount of people who said it's not fair to fire her based on her husband.  Or they shouldn't fire her because she's in a DV situation and someone needs to keep an eye on her...

That's exactly what I expected to happen. If she had agreed to leave him they probably would have kept her.

14 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

Word is Barb will no longer be filmed as well.  One would think she'll be ok because from all appearances,  lives modestly and most likely has a nice nest egg that she and Jace can live off of. But, of course if Jenelle manages to leave David alive, she'll be on Barb's  doorstep and since she is unemployable, Barb will have to spend said nest egg supporting Jenelle and her kids. 

There is a general belief floating around that Barb and Nathan are only filmed because Jenelle is and with her gone they will no longer be filmed. I don't know why people think that, though. Neither one of them are on the show that much to begin with and there wouldn't be any reason to not follow-up with them in the limited capacity they are already filmed. 

14 hours ago, Lemons said:

It’s time they took Jenelles parental rights.  There is more than enough to show her poor decision making and incidents where she has put Jace in danger.  Now that there is a violent killer living in the house, there should be no questions.  But Barb probably doesn’t have the heart to do it.  

Barb does not have the ability to take away Jenelle's parental rights and has gone to court to have them limited already. Jenelle has the deadbeat parent visitation schedule right now and the only thing worse that can happen is if the court agreed that she had to see Jace supervised, like what happened with Adam and Kaden. It really shouldn't be easy to remove parental rights and it wasn't that long ago that parents lost their rights because they were dating someone of a different race or the same sex. People go to prison for abusing their children and keep their rights because it is deemed in the best interest of children to have their biological parents in their lives. 

I agree with your overall point, though; Barb wants David out of their lives but doesn't want to keep Jenelle away. I've always thought that Barb's ultimate negative trait is her inability to see Jenelle for what she is. Barb is the only person in the world who sees something redeemable in Jenelle because of motherly love. She always blames the men in Jenelle's lives for leading her down bad paths, which is easy enough to do since Jenelle dates sociopaths like herself.

13 hours ago, thebigboot said:

You would be amazed how much it takes for the courts to do this. Unfortunately from how the courts have ruled in the past just killing the dog isn’t enough, unless there is physical proof he’s smacked Jenelle or Jace around nothing will happen.

I could have saved some keystrokes if I read ahead. I agree 100%

12 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

I hope the security is ramped up during filming for the producers and other crew members with whom he had contact.

I have no problem envisioning David carrying out a Bryce Williams ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Alison_Parker_and_Adam_Ward ) act of revenge.  

I remember following that when it happened. He recorded the killing and posted it on Twitter. Someone posted a link to it and asked if anyone that it was real and someone recognized the news anchor.  Twitter removed it and his follow-up rants and Facebook followed suit. No one was surprised by his actions.

11 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

Barb will never give up on Jenelle.  She feels guilty for the way Jenelle turned out and that guilt will lead her to support her daughter.

Now, I wonder about the kid's trust. We know for a fact they all the kids have trust set up for them by MTV but was it ever confirmed how much access the parents have to them because I can see those two assholes trying to raid  whatever  money that has been set aside for Kai and Ensley.

MTV paid into a college fund that they will not be able to touch but there isn't any other trusts like that. Leah's twins had one created by her and Cory, which she drained for her drug use, Amber was ordered to create one for Leah but I doubt she did, and Chelsea talked about having one for Aubree that she paid Adam's child support into - when he paid. We don't know what type of trusts they were but I'm guessing they have access to the money.

7 hours ago, blubld43 said:

Thanks, I just emailed them. 

I think Jenelle's already trying to reach Farrah, looking for a soft landing in the porn industry. UBT probably thinks that's okay as long as he gets to be in it too.

It has already been rumored that Jenelle attempted to do porn through Vivid like Farrah but couldn't pass the STI exam. I'm pretty sure it was CDaN that revealed that and they have lost almost all credibility after the original man sold it off. It's easy enough to believe though. I also believe Rhine from OG stole those oars and Matt robbed that casino, so as you can see, my threshold for truth is very low when it comes to these people.

1 hour ago, BrianJ1962 said:

How did MTV cast for 16 and pregnant and how did they pick the moms for teen mom? I can see an ad: Are you a knocked up teen with a messed life call MTV.

I'm pretty sure Maci from OG said that her mom saw the ad in Craigslist while looking for modeling gigs for Maci. Cate and Tyler were approached by the adoption service. 

Also, I posted yesterday asking if anyone remembered the hate group UBT was a member of. I emailed a friend in California who did his masters thesis on the rise of gangs and he said there is no group called "Tiny Penis Club" even though I'm sure UBT can be a member, but there is one called "Traditionalist Worker Party" which was a white supremacist group that disbanded last year. 

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6 minutes ago, Christina said:

There is a general belief floating around that Barb and Nathan are only filmed because Jenelle is and with her gone they will no longer be filmed. I don't know why people think that, though. Neither one of them are on the show that much to begin with and there wouldn't be any reason to not follow-up with them in the limited capacity they are already filmed. 

What?  Barb and Nathan were only on the show because of their relationship with Jenelle.  With Jenelle off the show, they’re off, too.  

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Christina, I didn’t want to quote your whole post so I’ll respond here.  States no longer give parents years to get their shit together.

 I was actually surprised that Janelle was able to keep any decision making rights. In my state when CPS is involved and the parent isn’t improving, they let the parent know that either the child will go into state care or they could voluntarily hand legal guardianship over to a relative.   That guardianship gives the guardian 100% power in decision making.  The parent’s rights are “suspended” until the guardianship is removed.  

It’s too bad Jenelle lives in a state that doesn’t suspend the parents rights. The whole reason the poor child needed a guardian is his parents have extremely bad judgment among other things. 

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14 minutes ago, druzy said:

Remember a few years ago Jenelle was complaining that she earned too much money to qualify for government assistance. 

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In other words, if you make enough money to support yourself, you have to support yourself.  I can't believe she had to pay her rent in full.  On top of water and electric!  All on a measly six figures!  Poor girl.  BUT, I've got some good news for you Jenelle!

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13 hours ago, kicksave said:

Fuck Barbara...she is a self serving sycophant. She called Nathan and his mother when SHE was in a battle with Jenelle for custody of Jace. She drew them in by telling them that Kaiser was being abused by David. She used Jace as her source of information! After she gets custody she makes nice with Jenelle and David and starts bad mouthing Nathan and Doris. Yes...she has done her due diligence in giving Jace a stable home but if she really cared that much about the boy she would NEVER have let him spend time at Jenelle's house. Case in point...the arsenal of weapons David keeps on the property and his casual use of these weapons around the kids. How about that photo of David with Jace and David has an assault rifle in his hands. 

Barb has NO say in Jace spending time at Jenelle's house, that was court ordered as Jenelle still has parental rights and as I recall Barb was very upset and crying on camera that the judge said  she was REQUIRED to give Jenelle unsupervised visitation. Hopefully thst will change now and I think Barb has or is currently going back to court to keep Jace off The Land. Frankly, I don't gave a shit who Barb used as her source of information on Kai being abused. It was/is true and I'm glad Barb did whatever was necessary to try and get Kai away from J and David. Sometimes siblings are the source of info about a child being abused and any claims of such need investigation.

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2 hours ago, Christina said:

Barb does not have the ability to take away Jenelle's parental rights and has gone to court to have them limited already. Jenelle has the deadbeat parent visitation schedule right now and the only thing worse that can happen is if the court agreed that she had to see Jace supervised, like what happened with Adam and Kaden. It really shouldn't be easy to remove parental rights and it wasn't that long ago that parents lost their rights because they were dating someone of a different race or the same sex. People go to prison for abusing their children and keep their rights because it is deemed in the best interest of children to have their biological parents in their lives. 

I agree with your overall point, though; Barb wants David out of their lives but doesn't want to keep Jenelle away. I've always thought that Barb's ultimate negative trait is her inability to see Jenelle for what she is. Barb is the only person in the world who sees something redeemable in Jenelle because of motherly love. She always blames the men in Jenelle's lives for leading her down bad paths, which is easy enough to do since Jenelle dates sociopaths like herself.

Yes. Barb can't terminate Jenelle's parental rights and their legal relationship with regard to Jace is basically like Jenelle is Jace's (deadbeat) mom and Barb is his dad (or other mom), who has been his primary/sole caretaker since he was an infant. So, just as Chelsea can't just decide to terminate Adam's parental rights (and Jenelle's legal track record/status as a legal parent is much better than his), Barb can't decide to terminate Jenelle's.

Jenelle has court ordered visitation, so Barb is required to send Jace on those visits except in extreme/emergency cases where there is some reason to think Jace wouldn't be safe on a visit. The incident with Nugget's murder may qualify and I would guess that Barb wouldn't "get in trouble" if she didn't let Jace visit in the immediate aftermath and waited for a court ruling on whether Jace should be going for visits on The Land without supervision. But if the court decides that it is safe for Jace to visit Jenelle with UBT being present and without supervision, Barb will have no choice but to comply. She could run away with Jace (which would put her in legal jeopardy and most likely result in Jace being given to Jenelle if they were caught) or she could fight legally to the greatest extent possible (which, if it didn't work, would put her in the same position as above).

3 minutes ago, happykitteh said:

Jace can't be filmed without Jenelle's consent because she, unfortunately, still has parental rights and Jenelle will NEVER allow Barb to be on the show without her. She also has to consent to Jace filming with Nathan because both  legal parents must agree to filming a child and she'll never allow that either.

I would assume that UBT would make Jenelle rescind permission for Jace and Kaiser to film. On one level, I would enjoy thinking about UBT and Jenelle being pissed that Barb and Nathan are on the show when they're not, but it's better for the kids to not be on the show, so I'm fine with it.

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I haven't been watching so I don't know how much airtime Nathan has had but it never was very much to begin with. There is no way they are not using his 911 call and a talking head of him saying what is going on. Jenelle has not been filming for season 9B and The Ashley claims that her sources say they expected Jenelle to be fired before Nugget's death. Barb and Jace have not quit filming.  Barb was never on that much either. 

I was wrong about them firing Jenelle so maybe I'll be wrong about this too, but I don't see any reason why Barb will be cut from the show when they have a bunch of footage of her and Jace already and the production team reportedly expected Jenelle's firing during the time that they were filming them. They are going to want her to tell them about the emergency court hearing one of the articles said she was requesting and they are going to want Nathan to discuss the 911 call.  Jenelle tried to get them to agree to stop filming both Barb and Nathan, then later just Nathan and they didn't. I expect there will be something about the custody hearing that he will have to tell them, too.

I would like them to stop filming everyone but that is honestly because I want to watch Kail, Catelyn and Amber flounder and fall apart. Tyler and Maci a bit less so and don't know the others on OG  or the new girl on this one to care how they fall apart. 

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21 hours ago, BrianJ1962 said:

In her 1st episode wasn't she a self described "Beach Bunny"?

Well, that was when Andrew was her soul mate and remember, she's the boyfriend chameleon.  Andrew & Beach Bunny Jenelle was before Keiffer & Stoner Jenelle, Gary & Military Jenelle, Courtland & Crackhead Jenelle, Nathan & Gym Rat Jenelle and David & Hillbilly Jenelle. 

17 hours ago, lovesnark said:

If Jenelle hadn't posted about it on Instagram, no one would know what that evil piece of garbage did and they would still have MTV income. MTV would not have  fired her without the fallout over dog murderer UBT. Way to lose 300k a year for doing nothing!! #cantfixstupid

But wasn't the 911 call news out before they posted anything?

8 hours ago, druzy said:

Remember a few years ago Jenelle was complaining that she earned too much money to qualify for government assistance. 

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This thundercunt.  Like welfare is the norm and if you make more than that, you're just unlucky.  Fuck off Jenelle.  Poor thing.  Have to pay rent AND water and electric?  Wow, that sucks.  As usual, you're such a victim.  

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8 hours ago, druzy said:

Remember a few years ago Jenelle was complaining that she earned too much money to qualify for government assistance. 

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"Hundreds of thousands in taxes every year"?  Bitch, please!  You ain't making 9 figures.  You live in a low-tax, low infrastructure state.  Your math skills aren't well and your understanding of how taxation works is non-existent.  

8 hours ago, eskimo said:

In other words, if you make enough money to support yourself, you have to support yourself.  I can't believe she had to pay her rent in full.  On top of water and electric!  All on a measly six figures!  Poor girl.  BUT, I've got some good news for you Jenelle!

Tell 'em, Eskimo!  Seriously, maybe you wouldn't financially struggle if you didn't spend all your money on weed, tattoos, guns and luxury cars.  

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13 minutes ago, Lemur said:

"Hundreds of thousands in taxes every year"?  Bitch, please!  You ain't making 9 figures.  You live in a low-tax, low infrastructure state.  Your math skills aren't well and your understanding of how taxation works is non-existent.  

Tell 'em, Eskimo!  Seriously, maybe you wouldn't financially struggle if you didn't spend all your money on weed, tattoos, guns and luxury cars.  

And Starbucks $5 a drink adds up quick. Yeah you want welfare when you make $100,000 + a year? And you don’t live in NY or CA? Lol baby

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42 minutes ago, ShaNaeNae said:

Well, that was when Andrew was her soul mate and remember, she's the boyfriend chameleon.  Andrew & Beach Bunny Jenelle was before Keiffer & Stoner Jenelle, Gary & Military Jenelle, Courtland & Crackhead Jenelle, Nathan & Gym Rat Jenelle and David & Hillbilly Jenelle. 

oBut wasn't the 911 call news out before they psted anything?

This thundercunt.  Like welfare is the norm and if you make more than that, you're just unlucky.  Fuck off Jenelle.  Poor thing.  Have to pay rent AND water and electric?  Wow, that sucks.  As usual, you're such a victim.  

No. Jenelle posted the RIP Nugget story on Instagram, then the shit hit the fan. It probably would have been leaked by someone else, but she's the one who went public with it first. 

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20 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

I actually think I'm going to be proactive and email a complaint right now to WeTV letting them know I will boycott their channel if Jenelle and David are included in MBC or any other show on their network.

Here's the contact info if anyone else would like to launch a preemptive strike:  

http://www.wetv.com/contact-we

Done!  Thanks.

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12 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

What?  Barb and Nathan were only on the show because of their relationship with Jenelle.  With Jenelle off the show, they’re off, too.  

Yea, I don't recall Michael or Debra being filmed after Farrah was fired.  Personally, I can do without Barbara and Nathan and the rest of the people affiliated with Jenelle.

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2 hours ago, ShaNaeNae said:

 Andrew & Beach Bunny Jenelle, Keiffer & Stoner Jenelle, Gary & Military Jenelle, Courtland & Crackhead Jenelle, Nathan & Gym Rat Jenelle and David & Hillbilly Jenelle.

Y'know, if this wasn't way too long, I'd suggest it as the new title to this forum.  There really is nothing there; only a void and a reflection of whoever she's with.

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7 hours ago, Christina said:

I was wrong about them firing Jenelle so maybe I'll be wrong about this too, but I don't see any reason why Barb will be cut from the show when they have a bunch of footage of her and Jace already and the production team reportedly expected Jenelle's firing during the time that they were filming them.

The show revolves around the (teen) moms, who are the so-called talent or “stars” of the show.  Each of the five moms - Jenelle, Kail, Leah, Chelsea, and Brianna, are listed and pictured in the show’s intro, and all the supporting characters like Nathan and Barb, Cole, Randy, etc., even the kids, are introduced in terms of how they’re related to one of the mom’s, ie. “Jenelle’s mother.”  So if Jenelle is no longer on the show, then neither is her mother, regardless of how much film they might have of her in the can.

I understand thinking that they’ll want to include all this drama in one of the episodes, but dropping her storyline goes hand in hand with dropping her from the show.  I saw a preview of next week’s season finale, and it showed Morgan Freeman (the producer) saying something about not filming Jenelle, so maybe they’ll include it in next week’s episode, although my guess is that that was in reference to all the pre-murder difficulties surrounding Jenelle as a cast member.  

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22 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

Yea, I don't recall Michael or Debra being filmed after Farrah was fired.  Personally, I can do without Barbara and Nathan and the rest of the people affiliated with Jenelle.

I agree. I'm pretty sure once Jenelle is done, MTV wants no further mention of her on the show. That negates Barb's storyline. If they were to film Barb but skirt the topic of Jenelle, that just creates an awkward elephant in the room. It's best to ditch the Evans clan entirely.

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Yea, I don't recall Michael or Debra being filmed after Farrah was fired.  Personally, I can do without Barbara and Nathan and the rest of the people affiliated with Jenelle.

Jenelle needed to be fired, but without her, what does the show really have left? Chelsea and Brianna are boring as hell. Its not fun television to watch mostly normal moms do normal mom things. Leah has also wandered too far into the Garden of Normal. The boyfriend came off like a regular single mom dating situation. That leaves Kailyn, who only provides occasionally drama and snark. This show is over. 

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I really don't understand how anyone can read Jenelle's rant about paying rent, water, and electricity in full, and feel bad for her getting kicked off the show. She has zero awareness of how normal people live!!! I paid rent and all my bills in full in NC on a TEACHER'S salary for five years! Also, do you think the bills stopped when i lost my job? I'm so fortunate to have my situation I have now with my friend, but I would have moved back with my parents before going on welfare. I am NOT saying welfare is something to be ashamed of, but you should be ashamed if you make six figures and still want welfare! That just shows you have a mindset of expecting the government to take care of you, even if you are already pampered. I just don't see how she doesn't realize that, for instance, Jace's teacher has to pay all her bills, when she worked hard to go to college and get her job, and works her butt off every day to earn a tenth of what Jenelle earns, at best. And then SHE is complaining?! And not only complaining, but having so little self-awareness that she thinks it's going to come off well to others? I could even almost sympathize with the fact she has a lot of kids, but I'm sure Barbara pays everything for Jace, and it was Jenelle's choice to have all those kids, and to marry UBT and take on his! She is so ungrateful. How could anyone read that and say, "yeah, she deserves that 300K salary. Let's keep giving it to her!"

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4 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

 $100’s of thousands in taxes? Do what now???  

At somewhere between 30 and 40% taxation, Jenelle probably hits right around the $100K mark for federal and then whatever NC charges for state. It's likely over $100,000 but probably not more than $120,000. So, "hundreds" of thousands is surely an exaggeration, but not as gross of one as these fools usually commit.

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7 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Jenelle needed to be fired, but without her, what does the show really have left? Chelsea and Brianna are boring as hell. Its not fun television to watch mostly normal moms do normal mom things. Leah has also wandered too far into the Garden of Normal. The boyfriend came off like a regular single mom dating situation. That leaves Kailyn, who only provides occasionally drama and snark. This show is over. 

You would never see on Teen Mom 2 or 16 and Pregnant a pregnant teen from a fully supportive (emotional, financial and etc...) family and partner. Drama and other BS sells

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48 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Jenelle needed to be fired, but without her, what does the show really have left? Chelsea and Brianna are boring as hell. Its not fun television to watch mostly normal moms do normal mom things. Leah has also wandered too far into the Garden of Normal. The boyfriend came off like a regular single mom dating situation. That leaves Kailyn, who only provides occasionally drama and snark. This show is over. 

That’s why they hired a new, trashy drama queen to take her place.

It’s why they keep producing feeder shows like 16 & Pregnant and Young Moms Club - to have a farm team ready to join the ranks of The Franchise That Will Never Die.  

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I wouldn't mind if they kept Barb and Jace. She's a hoot and we've known Jace for 10 years now. I want to continue to see him and his progress.

We didn't see Michael and Debra after Farrah's firing because they were not Sophia's primary caregivers,

Jenelle needs to dump David. He may likely dump her first when the well runs dry. I doubt they've saved up much money

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1 hour ago, Tatum said:

There was some speculation that around the time she posted that rant, she was likely surrounded by drug dealers, who not only had tax free income but were eligible for benefits.

Like it honestly never occurred to her that there's this whole middle class that makes less than her but still pays taxes and receives no benefits.

I honestly think she doesn't realize that most people have to live on salaries ranging around $50K a year. Living without this show is going to hit her in the face so hard and I can't wait.

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On 4/30/2019 at 7:07 PM, FlowerofCarnage said:

Word is Lurch shot and killed Nugget.

https://radaronline.com/photos/jenelle-evans-david-eason-killed-dog-sheriff-cops-911-call-teen-mom-2/

The Ashley said she will have info soon.

I’d already given up on this shit show, but I gotta admit, I hugged my dog a little tighter when I read this. I’ll keep checking this forum for when this psycho piece of shit is put in prison, but I won’t watch anything related to this show. He’s going to kill her children next.

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1 hour ago, geauxaway said:

Let’s not forget Jenelle also took in free food handouts during the hurricane they chose not to evacuate from.  Literally took food from someone in need, more need than her and her family, anyway.  She does not get it AT ALL.   As in, how life works.  $100’s of thousands in taxes? Do what now???  

And at the same time, she and UBT have claimed to be so anti government handout, all about supporting your own family and freedumb. They don’t get it.

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

There was some speculation that around the time she posted that rant, she was likely surrounded by drug dealers, who not only had tax free income but were eligible for benefits.

Like it honestly never occurred to her that there's this whole middle class that makes less than her but still pays taxes and receives no benefits.

I guess she never paid any attention to her own mother working her ass off at Walmart to support her family all of those years.

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31 minutes ago, politichick said:

I wouldn't mind if they kept Barb and Jace. She's a hoot and we've known Jace for 10 years now. I want to continue to see him and his progress.

We didn't see Michael and Debra after Farrah's firing because they were not Sophia's primary caregivers,

Jenelle needs to dump David. He may likely dump her first when the well runs dry. I doubt they've saved up much money

I like Barb too, but in the end t will be healthier for Jace to be off tv and sm and not be exploited.

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