Something Unexpected: Seasons 1 and 2 Discussion

[Pepper Mostly]

McKayla is really remarkably pretty. And she doesn't think for one second that having a bunch of kids before her 20th birthday, having to work, pay bills, take care of the kids, keep up her apartment (including scrubbing the toilet), will age her. That youthful bloom tends to fade quickly. 

Speaking of toilets--did I seriously just sit, rapt, in front of my TV while three people (THREE!) stared dumbly into a toilet bowl? And then watch a discussion of the mechanics of cleaning said bowl? THEN WATCHED PEOPLE CLEAN IT?? What has become of my life? I once had hopes and dreams! 

[Soup333]

3 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

And speaking of, that sex talk was indeed all kinds of awkward, but I was amused by the mother telling Anna that every time a girl has relations with a boy, she loses a little piece of herself.  Mom, I'm not sure that exact horse has left the barn, but one that looks a lot like it has, and Tylor's sweatshirt can tell the tale. 

I do find it interesting that Anna has been with this "older boy" for six months, which means she took up with him right about the time Laura's pregnancy was turning the entire house upside down.  Please get her on birth control.

But I also wonder about the boy--he was nowhere to be seen on her birthday.  Maybe he doesn't want to film (could it even be that his parents wouldn't allow it?!?!?! (assuming he's under 18, which I hope but don't know)), but it makes me think some of drama was manufactured because it doesn't sound like she had NO ONE but her family to spend her birthday with. 

First of all, lol. This sounds so Duggarish to me that I really wonder how these parents have been raising their children. Were they late adopters of Duggar/Gothard philosophy and the kids weren't fully brainwashed immersed in it for it to fully take? Was Mom just saying something she'd heard? I just don't understand. 

As far as the timing, suspect. Looks like she got with the guy just in time to take her mind off the chaos at home. Maybe they spent time together when the parents went to see Laura at the hospital. That could have been the same night she borrowed Tylor's sweatshirt. LOL.

[Pepper Mostly]

And they keep saying "he's older". Anna is 15. So her boyfriend is what-16? Sheesh.

[ButterQueen]

I do not understand letting the teen parents live together.  Set up a visitation schedule.

McKayla looked very pretty this episode....she also looks like a sociopath.  

Diego needs to get off my screen and take his parents with him.

[Awfarmington]

58 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

I do not understand letting the teen parents live together.  Set up a visitation schedule.

McKayla looked very pretty this episode....she also looks like a sociopath.  

Diego needs to get off my screen and take his parents with him.

His parents actually make me feel more stabby than Diego does. They are supposed to be adults modeling behavior for their stupid son. Instead, they enable him. 

[Pepper Mostly]

1 hour ago, ButterQueen said:

I do not understand letting the teen parents live together.  Set up a visitation schedule.

This drives me right up the wall. These irresponsible kids are being not only enabled but rewarded! They have their babies, live at home supported by their parents, and get their boy toys to move in and play house with them. Gah. 

[Scarlett45]

18 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

This drives me right up the wall. These irresponsible kids are being not only enabled but rewarded! They have their babies, live at home supported by their parents, and get their boy toys to move in and play house with them. Gah. 

The only way I can see this making sense is if both teen parents are working and contributing towards household bills, WHILE not using the grandparents for free childcare. Assuming the kids aren’t smug brats, and there’s no domestic abuse/violence going on, I understand wanting to encourage the nuclear family bond for a year or two until the kids can move out. Again- them working with plans to continue with school and be self supporting. 

 There’s a fine line between assisting so that the kids get a good start to an adult life and enabling bad behavior. 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Scarlett45

[Ivylady]

The pediatrician thing is dumb because if the current doc is a family medicine practitioner that means she's done a pediatrics and internal medicine residency (6 years versus 3 for pediatrics). My friend is a family medicine doctor and sees folks from birth to death. 

But if that's what they want, then fine. Schedule the appointment, explain your reasoning to Bridget, and ask her to come with so she still feels involved. This whole thing was done for maximum drama. 

I really want all these kids who are so grown and mature and able to make their own decisions to move out of their parents' houses and into the real world. The fact that Caelan and McKayla had no idea how to clean that gross toilet told me everything I needed to know about their readiness. I also gagged looking at him put his bare hand in that toilet. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by Ivylady

[PityFree]

3 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Even in the 60's/70's we weren't that dumb. Of course, "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex (but were afraid to ask)" and "The Sensuous Woman" were paperbacks you could buy at any Woolworth's. How can these kids be so pig ignorant? 

Oh god, right? I was waiting for her to pull the old "chewed gum" card. 

Ha!!  Apparently Laura’s mom and dad are still clinging to that old abstinence stuff. They need to take a step back, think about their two *sexually active* teenage daughters, and come to terms with the fact that preaching abstinence and telling their kids to read Proverbs isn’t working.

 I’m not seeing what you guys are seeing with Michaela. She has she has an oddly shaped alien head and I think she’s rather homely.  Maybe her whiny, nasal voice is tainting how I see her.

[zoomama]

15 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

 

Also, what in the world is McKayla wearing in her talking heads?  Those omnipresent MC Hammer pants are a dubious fashion choice, but tonight the waistband was sometimes way up almost to her chest, and then other times normal.  Did she do a season's worth of THs in one day, and if so, that's what she chose to wear?

 

i was wondering the same thing. it almost appears to have been filmed on two separate days (months apart) and in one she is thin and in the other she is very pregnant. 

[Gingi1976]

7 hours ago, Soup333 said:

Chloe's mom. Jesus. Where did this woman get her MD from? She's such a whiny...I just can't with that woman or her sycophant husband. Her daughter did look exhausted and uncomfortable, but that's the end of pregnancy for you. She's not the first woman to go beyond her due date.

I don’t disagree. However, the only thing worse than being 40 weeks pregnant in Phoenix in the summer is being 40 weeks pregnant in Phoenix in the summer with twins.

 

I speak from experience.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

2 minutes ago, Gingi1976 said:

I don’t disagree. However, the only thing worse than being 40 weeks pregnant in Phoenix in the summer is being 40 weeks pregnant in Phoenix in the summer with twins.

 

I speak from experience.

Bless your heart

[Ijustwantsomechips]

Re: Anna and her feelings, I have sympathy for her because I was in her situation.  My oldest sister was preggo, living at home and did I mention a perpetual fuck up.  New baby’s cradle was about six inches from my bed since we shared a room.  I ended up sleeping on the floor in the den for a few months. Needless to say my grades plummeted freshman year, and I never really bothered to get back on track.  That wasn’t completely her fault, but sometimes when you get off track, it’s easier or more fun to stay there.

I said all that to say although I love my nephew very much, and all the subsequent kids, but having him in the house was very disruptive to everyone, and it seems no one considered giving my oldest sister her old room back so she and the baby would be confined to one room and not waking the whole house.  

Laura’s parents are delusional idiots, and they need to put her fat, smug face in check.  Yes, the baby is here and nothing is going to change that. But how about backing Anna for a change instead of force feeding acceptance down her throat.  The fact thay Laura was unaware they were disappointed in her spoke volumes.  I’m not saying they shoud have trashed her, but clearly they did a shitty job of expressing how they really felt.  It temporarily wiped that smug look off her face.  I couldn’t believe she had the nerve to say “it worked out for her”.  The kid doesn’t even have teeth yet.  Talk to me when you and Tylor are on your own raising the kid.  And why does she not think she’s a teenager.  You’re 18 dumbass, not 25.  Reality will not be kind to her, and she deserves it for casting aspersions on her sister to tarnish her reputation since Laura isn’t the prize child anymore. Anything to make herself the golden child again because she isnclearly jealous of Anna’s freedom, figure and future.  That puffy-faced bitch!

Emily is annoying, and so are Kim and Diego.  I kind of feel where Kim is coming from in a way.  Emily is so hungry for the traditional “family” that she idolizes Diego’s family without realizing they are partially responsible for him being the turd he is.   I’m sure that hurts Kim’s feelings as I doubt she wanted to raise her child without a father.  It must feel like a slap in the face that all her work and sacrifice to raise Emily doesn’t seem good enough.  Granted, Kim is crazy and controlling, but Emily should be leery of any adults who co-sign her BS about her mom and get involved (looking @ you Shelley).  Diego’s parents haven’t realized they’re monopolizing the baby? Then again, any parents who sit there and let their kid disrespect another adult like that suck as parents anyway.

As for Chloe, she did look like shit, but what can you do? Hospitals don’t induce because you’re uncomfortable or the world would be full of babies born at 8 months.  She’s probably having early back labor or something.  She and Max did this to themselves, so she’ll just have to deal with it.  

Alexis is an idiot and I need for her to get over Lily yesterday. Shayden is a douche nozzle, but that doesn’t give her the right to string him along.  

[FairyDusted]

Back in my day the girls got pregnant to get OUT of the house.  Moving in the boyfriend was never an option. All these kids act like it's the right to move in with each other PARENTS HOME. I swear I hear my own parents laughing at that shit. Cuz I sure do.  

[Ijustwantsomechips]

I had several relatives have children in their teems in my generation, amd not one guy moved in.  He couldn’t even n stay too late because it was considered rude.  I can only think of two sisters whose boyfriends moved in. The older sister’s boyfriend moved in and she wound up pregnant (big surprise) then the younger sister got pregnant, and her boyfriend moved in too. Both had several kids by age 25.  

[EverybodyIsACritic]

Dear God, Laura’s smug face ratting Anna out is The Worst! And her mother deferring to Laura’s explanation of how babies are made? JFC, she’s not a reproductive medicine specialist!

I’ve always liked Tim, Cindy, Shelly, Caelan, and... McKayla. I cannot abide Shannon, though. She is so freakin’ manipulative. The look on McKayla’s face when she told Tim and Cindy that she realized Shannon was pissed about the money, not the bonding, broke my heart.

Diego Douchebag is horrible. Bridget is equally hideous. Emiley looks beaten down-Nana was right, Bridget and Diego are similar control freaks. Aria is a scrumptious little bit of a thing. I cringed all the way through the cheerleading workout. If I’d ever had my hoo-ha snipped even TWO YEARS previously, I’d be scared to jump, too. I’m rooting for Emiley, she deserves a break.

Chloe hasn’t made much of an impression, but her boy Max sure has. He’d like to lock his princess in a tower, and him have the only key. The thing with his dad was odd too. I started to think his dad was dead in the basement.

Please don’t hate me, but I kind of love Lexus and Kelsey. Their eye makeup mesmerizes me. Can’t stand Shayden, though. If she dumps him again for a chick, I could see him getting so angry he hurts her. Also can’t hate Kelsey for getting a nice snacc in Maurice. Yes, he’s younger, but not by much. It’s her turn to have some fun, too.

[Chris Knight]

The reason Emilie and Idiot Diego are so afraid to talk to Brigid about the pedi is because they are afraid Brigid wont pay for the pedi. I'm positive Brigid was paying for the family doc. His parents didn't say anything because they dont want to pay either. Idiot Diego will be so much more cooperative and open minded about Brigid once he starts paying for everything. Or anything. 

Sorry Chloe. Labor hurts and is uncomfortable in many ways. That's the breaks ! Her mom is not helping. If shes 40 weeks, it wont be much longer. Calm down.

I cant believe I agree with Shannon but McKayla and Caelan should not get married. I also dont get McKayla's weird beige pants with the super high waist. Or is that a skirt or dress ? I chuckled when Mckayla was whining, if you dont want us to get married, why are you here trying on dresses ?!?! Because if we dont, you stomp around, bawl and complain !

At prom, Lexus looked like she was for sale.

[lovesnark]

I fell asleep and haven't finished watching yet. But, that little ass, Diego saying he would burn the bridge, then throw dirt on it in reference to Emily's mother made me want to beat him with something. That woman is your daughter's GRANDMOTHER, you disrespectful little twit. She's supporting your girlfriend AND the baby you chose to bring into this world. Until you can take care of the family you deliberately made, you need to keep your smartass mouth shut and get a job. His parents are just as disgusting as he is. If I would have said something like that in front of my parents, they would have knocked me into next week.

[Lynnlynnlynn586]

1 hour ago, lovesnark said:

I fell asleep and haven't finished watching yet. But, that little ass, Diego saying he would burn the bridge, then throw dirt on it in reference to Emily's mother made me want to beat him with something. That woman is your daughter's GRANDMOTHER, you disrespectful little twit. She's supporting your girlfriend AND the baby you chose to bring into this world. Until you can take care of the family you deliberately made, you need to keep your smartass mouth shut and get a job. His parents are just as disgusting as he is. If I would have said something like that in front of my parents, they would have knocked me into next week.

Diego is horrible to the other Grandma 

[Bridget]

McKayla advertising about registering for gifts for baby #2? ?

Tacky x 1,000,000.

Where I come from (and it’s also how I was raised), mothers-to-be get ONE baby shower. That’s it. I know there’s usually a shower for friends/family and another one at work, but to even register for shit for baby #2 is tacky. However, I’d expect nothing less from her.

Babies are expensive, especially car seats, cribs, and diapers. Maybe she should’ve thought about that before she got knocked up again. I just can’t with her. She needs to be held down and given a Depo shot or have some type of birth control implant ASAP. She doesn’t strike me as maternal at all, especially now that Timmy requires her to engage with him.

It looked like enabling Grandma Cindy was the one writing a check for the wedding dress. 

Did anyone else catch Emiley telling the ob/gyn she wanted the “UDI” form of birth control? She also couldn’t even repeat the brand name; “I’ll take the first one.”  Bless her heart, but she’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

1 minute ago, Bridget said:

McKayla advertising about registering for gifts for baby #2? ?

Tacky x 1,000,000.

Where I come from (and it’s also how I was raised), mothers-to-be get ONE baby shower. That’s it. I know there’s usually a shower for friends/family and another one at work, but to even register for shit for baby #2 is tacky. However, I’d expect nothing less from her.

Babies are expensive, especially car seats, cribs, and diapers. Maybe she should’ve thought about that before she got knocked up again. I just can’t with her. She needs to be held down and given a Depo shot or have some type of birth control implant ASAP. She doesn’t strike me as maternal at all, especially now that Timmy requires her to engage with him.

It looked like enabling Grandma Cindy was the one writing a check for the wedding dress. 

Did anyone else catch Emiley telling the ob/gyn she wanted the “UDI” form of birth control? She also couldn’t even repeat the brand name; “I’ll take the first one.”  Bless her heart, but she’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Emily might be too stupid to repeat IUD, but thank God she got one. I guess you don’t need to know how to say it to use it.  McKayla OTOH, can’t seem to figure this shit out.  And if you think a shower for baby #2 is tacky (as do I), then hop on over to the community boards on Babycenter.  It’s a “spirited” debate.  

[readheaded]

5 hours ago, Bridget said:

McKayla advertising about registering for gifts for baby #2? ?

Tacky x 1,000,000.

Where I come from (and it’s also how I was raised), mothers-to-be get ONE baby shower. That’s it. I know there’s usually a shower for friends/family and another one at work, but to even register for shit for baby #2 is tacky. However, I’d expect nothing less from her.

Babies are expensive, especially car seats, cribs, and diapers. Maybe she should’ve thought about that before she got knocked up again. I just can’t with her. She needs to be held down and given a Depo shot or have some type of birth control implant ASAP. She doesn’t strike me as maternal at all, especially now that Timmy requires her to engage with him.

It looked like enabling Grandma Cindy was the one writing a check for the wedding dress. 

Did anyone else catch Emiley telling the ob/gyn she wanted the “UDI” form of birth control? She also couldn’t even repeat the brand name; “I’ll take the first one.”  Bless her heart, but she’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Did I hear the nurse correctly when she said there were 3 kinds of IUDs-the Implanon, Mirena, and Skyla?  Implanon isn't an IUD.

[readheaded]

I'm just now watching the last episode, but am struck by the difference between how Chloe and Jessica treated Chloe's step-sister so much more kindly than the Laura and her family treated Anna.  And, it's saying something when Jessica's behavior is preferable!

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, readheaded said:

I'm just now watching the last episode, but am struck by the difference between how Chloe and Jessica treated Chloe's step-sister so much more kindly than the Laura and her family treated Anna.  And, it's saying something when Jessica's behavior is preferable!

I agree, FYI that was Chole’s (Half) sister not step sister. Just pointing out in case people were wondering if there was favoritism or if she lived else where most of the week. 

[Soup333]

As much as I dislike Jessica *eyeroll*, it was nice that they wanted to give Brooklyn her own special day even if they couldn't afford a party. Although I am side eyeing them for spending all their money on this "grand" baby shower in lieu of splitting the costs with a small party for Brooklyn and at least a few of her friends. That would have been the equitable thing to do.

Laura's parents just seem over everything. If that awkward discussion wasn't staged, then they haven't even bothered to have any kind of birds and bees conversation with their 15 year old??? She's likely been menstruating for at least one year at this point so who talked to her? She just learned from school? Friends? The internet? 

[Pepper Mostly]

 How much would it have cost to have a small party for Brooklyn with cake and ice cream for some of her friends, or an outing like taking them all to a movie? How much does it cost to swim with dolphins? I'm guessing its not free. That whole thing made no sense to me. Why splash out in such a big way for one daughter if you couldn't give equal attention to the other?

[gunderda]

1 hour ago, Soup333 said:

As much as I dislike Jessica *eyeroll*, it was nice that they wanted to give Brooklyn her own special day even if they couldn't afford a party. Although I am side eyeing them for spending all their money on this "grand" baby shower in lieu of splitting the costs with a small party for Brooklyn and at least a few of her friends. That would have been the equitable thing to do.

Laura's parents just seem over everything. If that awkward discussion wasn't staged, then they haven't even bothered to have any kind of birds and bees conversation with their 15 year old??? She's likely been menstruating for at least one year at this point so who talked to her? She just learned from school? Friends? The internet? 

I started my period in 4th grade which was probably earlier than most but I literally went to my mom one day and told my mom I had blood in my underwear. I honestly don't even know if I knew what a period was at that time but my mom was like "oh! that's your period... you'll get it every month... well here are pads.... here's how you use them.... here are tampons... here's how you use them...." and that was about it.  I have a feeling my mom was expecting me to learn elsewhere..... 

[readheaded]

1 hour ago, Pepper Mostly said:

 How much would it have cost to have a small party for Brooklyn with cake and ice cream for some of her friends, or an outing like taking them all to a movie? How much does it cost to swim with dolphins? I'm guessing its not free. That whole thing made no sense to me. Why splash out in such a big way for one daughter if you couldn't give equal attention to the other?

I had the same thought, but wondered if the dolphin thing was comped for the show?  In any event, I was happy that Jessica and Chloe acknowledged that the attention's been on Chloe and that it must be hard for her step-sister (I'm sorry I don't remember her name).  I think that same kind of acknowledgement would go a really, really long way if Laura and her parents offered it to Anna.  

[b2H]

11 hours ago, lovesnark said:

I fell asleep and haven't finished watching yet. But, that little ass, Diego saying he would burn the bridge, then throw dirt on it in reference to Emily's mother made me want to beat him with something. That woman is your daughter's GRANDMOTHER, you disrespectful little twit. She's supporting your girlfriend AND the baby you chose to bring into this world. Until you can take care of the family you deliberately made, you need to keep your smartass mouth shut and get a job. His parents are just as disgusting as he is. If I would have said something like that in front of my parents, they would have knocked me into next week.

I sort of understand Diego.  He's no prize, for sure, but Emily's mom?  Like it or don't, Diego is always going to be the child's father.  Being bitchy about him isn't going to resolve that problem for you.  So as much as that woman is your daughter's grandmother, Emily's mom needs to understand that he is her granddaughter's father.  Sorry, but it is a two-way street and rather than trying to force it into being a one-way, it's time for everyone on both sides to chill out and start working together.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

I wonder if maybe the dolphin swim was done for Brooklyn in lieu of a traditional birthday since she got parties on a regular basis and they wanted to treat her to something extra special.  If you have a party with your friends every year, and your parents felt you haven’t received alot of attention lately, the same old party wouldn’t really do.   I think that was a treat she’s always wanted and knows she won’t always get.  Plus it allowed the family to spend time together as opposed to a party of screeching 9 year olds. 

[lovesnark]

11 minutes ago, b2H said:

I sort of understand Diego.  He's no prize, for sure, but Emily's mom?  Like it or don't, Diego is always going to be the child's father.  Being bitchy about him isn't going to resolve that problem for you.  So as much as that woman is your daughter's grandmother, Emily's mom needs to understand that he is her granddaughter's father.  Sorry, but it is a two-way street and rather than trying to force it into being a one-way, it's time for everyone on both sides to chill out and start working together.

I completely agree with you that ALL of them need to put their differences aside and do what they can to make a healthy environment for that baby to live in. I'm sure my reactions to his disrespectful mouth has a lot to do with my age. I'm 61 and was raised to respect my elders and I knew there were consequences if I was disrespectful to anyone, elder or not. It's clear to me that his parents have never taught him to show respect to anyone and they act just like he does. 

[b2H]

8 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

I'm 61 and was raised to respect my elders and I knew there were consequences if I was disrespectful to anyone, elder or not. It's clear to me that his parents have never taught him to show respect to anyone and they act just like he does. 

I'm right ahead of you at 62.  I also understand that parents can truly alienate their children and drive them away.  Now, if that's what Emily's mom wants, as in nothing to do with her daughter and grandchild, then she's doing what she needs to do.  But it's not endearing, what mom is doing now, and threatens the long-term relationship.

Emily will come to her senses at some point and she will need a safe place to fall.  Having the 'I told you so' coming from mom is not going to be the answer.

[ButterQueen]

I can barely tolerate Emily’s weak voice.

Diego is an asshole, and he needs to save all his self-righteous parenting for when he actually, you know, parents; providing some money and support would be a start.  Otherwise, he can drop off the earth as far as I care.

[PityFree]

6 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

I can barely tolerate Emily’s weak voice.

THIS!  How was that girl a cheerleader??  Even when she was practicing for cheerleading tryouts and was kind of yelling it was not a cheerleader yell. It was more of her talking loudly. 

[Soup333]

25 minutes ago, b2H said:

I'm right ahead of you at 62.  I also understand that parents can truly alienate their children and drive them away.  Now, if that's what Emily's mom wants, as in nothing to do with her daughter and grandchild, then she's doing what she needs to do.  But it's not endearing, what mom is doing now, and threatens the long-term relationship.

Emily will come to her senses at some point and she will need a safe place to fall.  Having the 'I told you so' coming from mom is not going to be the answer.

Bridget may be the most insidious, now that I think about it. Jessica wants to control Chloe, but Chloe is younger and Max IS annoying and there may be some maternal instinct there that sees the red flags glaring when he's around. If people can see it through TV, she probably can in real life (she's still on my shit list though). Everyone else's parents either lecture or moan (McKayla/Lexus/Laura) but their words don't really mean anything. 

Bridget though...to be honest, she reminds me of my mother when I had my son at 17. I'll never ever forget the day I told her she was undermining my authority with him (and he had to be less than 2 at the time) and she laughed in my face and told me I didn't have any authority. That would play out over the course of his upbringing. I moved out as soon as I could but she still exerted control whenever she could by whatever means she could.

Her thing was/is money. She would pay for private school as long as it was the one she chose. Even before that, when I was pregnant with him she made me go to an obstetrician that made me uncomfortable. His bedside manner was non-existent.  During my appointments when she wasn't present he would ask me why I'd ruined my life like this. Maybe I had ruined it but should your OB be saying that? I HATED him but she told me if I changed doctors she'd tell her insurance not to pay. Me, not knowing anything about how it all worked, thought she held all the cards so I stuck it out with him. When my son got older (and I have two daughters as well) she continued to undermine me at every turn. It got to the point where he'd just go ask her for whatever he wanted. She bought him a car, phones, computers - didn't matter what I said and I did object because I knew he wasn't ready/wouldn't appreciate it. And he didn't. I didn't learn about things like enmeshment and narcissism until he was almost an adult and I finally had a therapist I could talk to about my complicated relationship with my mother and my son. I love my son but we aren't close. Upon the recommendation of my therapist, my sister and friends who knew the history, I just kind of gave up at some point. They were, both of them, going to do what they wanted to do. 

She also threatened to call child protective services on me like Kelsey did to Lexus. It was just a cruel, empty threat (I think) but it was terrifying. I hadn't done anything but it was another avenue of control. 

I said all that to say what Emiley's grandmother said made me look at Bridget differently than I had before. Maybe she's not as bad as my own mother and I'm just triggered but if she is, if there's even a hint of that kind of passive aggressive bullying in her, then there's not wonder Emiley stays away. And there's no wonder she's not terrified to tell her about changing doctors. Diego's not great (understatement) but he is that kid's father and it should be up to them to make decisions about her care. 

[gunderda]

1 hour ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I wonder if maybe the dolphin swim was done for Brooklyn in lieu of a traditional birthday since she got parties on a regular basis and they wanted to treat her to something extra special.  If you have a party with your friends every year, and your parents felt you haven’t received alot of attention lately, the same old party wouldn’t really do.   I think that was a treat she’s always wanted and knows she won’t always get.  Plus it allowed the family to spend time together as opposed to a party of screeching 9 year olds. 

I kind of gave a side eye to doing a family event that didn't allow the very super pregnant person to not be involved AND also standing out in the heat. I really hope they didn't know she couldn't participate but I feel like that is something the aquarium should ask when they made the reservation? Or there should be some rules and regulations somewhere on who can and can not swim with the dolphins.

37 minutes ago, PityFree said:

THIS!  How was that girl a cheerleader??  Even when she was practicing for cheerleading tryouts and was kind of yelling it was not a cheerleader yell. It was more of her talking loudly. 

Ditto this x100000000.  Doesn't seem like a great option for someone who says an $1000 scholarship is make or break for them. =/

15 minutes ago, Soup333 said:

 

I said all that to say what Emiley's grandmother said made me look at Bridget differently than I had before. Maybe she's not as bad as my own mother and I'm just triggered but if she is, if there's even a hint of that kind of passive aggressive bullying in her, then there's not wonder Emiley stays away. And there's no wonder she's not terrified to tell her about changing doctors. Diego's not great (understatement) but he is that kid's father and it should be up to them to make decisions about her care. 

Nana's comments about her own daughter are very interesting....

[Gingi1976]

1 hour ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I wonder if maybe the dolphin swim was done for Brooklyn in lieu of a traditional birthday since she got parties on a regular basis and they wanted to treat her to something extra special.  If you have a party with your friends every year, and your parents felt you haven’t received alot of attention lately, the same old party wouldn’t really do.   I think that was a treat she’s always wanted and knows she won’t always get.  Plus it allowed the family to spend time together as opposed to a party of screeching 9 year olds. 

This is where they did the dolphin experience. It’s not cheap, and given the size of their group I wonder if the producers (or the attraction) comped/discounted the tickets.

I believe  Chloe lives in the East Valley (Gilbert/Tempe/Mesa). This is in Scottsdale on the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian reservation. (I work nearby).

 https://www.dolphinaris-arizona.com/

 

I don’t fault the family for doing this, regardless of who foot the bill. They clearly love their kids and the excitement from the parents and Brooklyn was genuine. To each their own. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by Gingi1976

[StatisticalOutlier]

4 hours ago, Soup333 said:

Laura's parents just seem over everything. If that awkward discussion wasn't staged, then they haven't even bothered to have any kind of birds and bees conversation with their 15 year old??? She's likely been menstruating for at least one year at this point so who talked to her? She just learned from school? Friends? The internet? 

Whatever she's doing, it's working because she corrected Laura The Smug Reproduction Expert's recommendation that she double up on condoms, and knew why it's a bad thing to do.

 

On 10/8/2018 at 11:05 AM, Pepper Mostly said:

And they keep saying "he's older". Anna is 15. So her boyfriend is what-16? Sheesh.

I never heard anybody say his actual age.  Do we know what it is?  The vast majority of females date males who are older than they are, so when they specified he's older, I took it to mean more than just a year, and feared it was much more.

[zoomama]

27 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Whatever she's doing, it's working because she corrected Laura The Smug Reproduction Expert's recommendation that she double up on condoms, and knew why it's a bad thing to do.

 

I never heard anybody say his actual age.  Do we know what it is?  The vast majority of females date males who are older than they are, so when they specified he's older, I took it to mean more than just a year, and feared it was much more.

i thought i read that he was 18...

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, Gingi1976 said:

I believe  Chloe lives in the East Valley (Gilbert/Tempe/Mesa).

From various landmarks (and because the various titles specify "Phoenix") she lives in the Ahwatukee Foothills.   Her cheerleading photo shows her team as "Thunder," so that's Desert Vista on south-south-South 32nd Street in Phoenix.  An affluent-ish area.

[StatisticalOutlier]

15 minutes ago, zoomama said:

i thought i read that he was 18...

"Boy" is 18 and girl is 15.  That's definitely qualifies for "older."  I wonder if he's the one who told her that doubling up on condoms isn't good, perhaps working up to why singling up on them isn't good, either.

[Former Nun]

17 hours ago, Chris Knight said:

Sorry Chloe. Labor hurts and is uncomfortable in many ways. That's the breaks ! Her mom is not helping. If shes 40 weeks, it wont be much longer. Calm down.

And when, MOM, did inducing become a requirement?  Sounds like the doctor and the hospital simply want the pregnancy to progress normally...not on a princess's schedule.

(The princess is NOT Chloe)

[Pepper Mostly]

Right? Mom was outraged that she couldn't speak to the manager and get some damn service! Hahahahahaha

[Former Nun]

13 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Emily might be too stupid to repeat IUD, but thank God she got one. I guess you don’t need to know how to say it to use it.

And Emily's mother had to add her bitch-cents-worth about "no pills" because Emily is too stoopid to remember to take them.  They could have had that discussion off camera and BEFORE they got to the doctor's office.  No need to make Emily look dumber...and herself (Bridget) look worse.

[Former Nun]

Laura's parents are fascinating to me.  The father seems level-headed but steeped in his religion--which can apparently solve everything.  Neither one of them is particularlay bright, but I can't take my eyes of the mother when the father is talking.  SHE can't take her eyes off him.  In love? Drugged?  She seems like she's always in some kind of stupor...or hypnotized.  When she does speak, she has no inflection and simply says what someone else has said.  Can any of you armchair psychiatrists diagnose? 

[Chalby]

On 10/2/2018 at 12:37 PM, Soup333 said:

I was under the impression that they were sneaking around behind her "best friend's" back but there could have been some funkiness in the wording. She might have said he was dating her friend and then started dating her - not intending that to sound like there was some cheating going on. I can't remember. I don't put it past either one of them though.

I did find out a bit of news:

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They got married!

I have so much difficulty with this girl's attitude, especially towards her sister since she had the baby. Her sister is 15 and falling apart with a baby and boyfriend thrown into her family's mix and in the room next to her, and all Laura can say is, "Get used to it. Grow up.". Why should her sister or parents have to "get used to anything"? It floors me how these teens figure they should just be looked after, baby, boyfriend and all. Aside from Diego, why do they all have to move in with the gal's family? As a parent, I would completely resent my kids if they came home pregnant as teens, and expected their loser mates to move in as well. I have the expectation that my kids will not have sex without protection, they don't get to have an expectation that I will help with room, board and babysitting if they can't do that one thing. Grr!

[Soup333]

47 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Laura's parents are fascinating to me.  The father seems level-headed but steeped in his religion--which can apparently solve everything.  Neither one of them is particularlay bright, but I can't take my eyes of the mother when the father is talking.  SHE can't take her eyes off him.  In love? Drugged?  She seems like she's always in some kind of stupor...or hypnotized.  When she does speak, she has no inflection and simply says what someone else has said.  Can any of you armchair psychiatrists diagnose? 

This is why I said they were Duggarish! That's what Michelle Duggar does to with her husband. It's like they're taught to stare lovingly and adoringly into the man's face as he spews his garbage speaks. I think it's supposed to be a sign of respect or submission or successful brainwashing or something. 

[eatsleep]

18 hours ago, Chris Knight said:

The reason Emilie and Idiot Diego are so afraid to talk to Brigid about the pedi is because they are afraid Brigid wont pay for the pedi. I'm positive Brigid was paying for the family doc. His parents didn't say anything because they dont want to pay either. Idiot Diego will be so much more cooperative and open minded about Brigid once he starts paying for everything. Or anything. 

Wouldn't she qualify for Medicaid (welfare)? 

 

3 hours ago, Soup333 said:

Bridget may be the most insidious, now that I think about it. Jessica wants to control Chloe, but Chloe is younger and Max IS annoying and there may be some maternal instinct there that sees the red flags glaring when he's around. If people can see it through TV, she probably can in real life (she's still on my shit list though). Everyone else's parents either lecture or moan (McKayla/Lexus/Laura) but their words don't really mean anything. 

Bridget though...to be honest, she reminds me of my mother when I had my son at 17. I'll never ever forget the day I told her she was undermining my authority with him (and he had to be less than 2 at the time) and she laughed in my face and told me I didn't have any authority. That would play out over the course of his upbringing. I moved out as soon as I could but she still exerted control whenever she could by whatever means she could.

Her thing was/is money. She would pay for private school as long as it was the one she chose. Even before that, when I was pregnant with him she made me go to an obstetrician that made me uncomfortable. His bedside manner was non-existent.  During my appointments when she wasn't present he would ask me why I'd ruined my life like this. Maybe I had ruined it but should your OB be saying that? I HATED him but she told me if I changed doctors she'd tell her insurance not to pay. Me, not knowing anything about how it all worked, thought she held all the cards so I stuck it out with him. When my son got older (and I have two daughters as well) she continued to undermine me at every turn. It got to the point where he'd just go ask her for whatever he wanted. She bought him a car, phones, computers - didn't matter what I said and I did object because I knew he wasn't ready/wouldn't appreciate it. And he didn't. I didn't learn about things like enmeshment and narcissism until he was almost an adult and I finally had a therapist I could talk to about my complicated relationship with my mother and my son. I love my son but we aren't close. Upon the recommendation of my therapist, my sister and friends who knew the history, I just kind of gave up at some point. They were, both of them, going to do what they wanted to do. 

She also threatened to call child protective services on me like Kelsey did to Lexus. It was just a cruel, empty threat (I think) but it was terrifying. I hadn't done anything but it was another avenue of control. 

I said all that to say what Emiley's grandmother said made me look at Bridget differently than I had before. Maybe she's not as bad as my own mother and I'm just triggered but if she is, if there's even a hint of that kind of passive aggressive bullying in her, then there's not wonder Emiley stays away. And there's no wonder she's not terrified to tell her about changing doctors. Diego's not great (understatement) but he is that kid's father and it should be up to them to make decisions about her care. 

Awww this is so sad. Thanks for posting, tho. I always had a rocky relationship w/ my mother, too, and she undermines me w/ my kids, too. I hate that we have to deal w/ this shit but at least we're not the only ones in the world doing it.

 

2 hours ago, gunderda said:

Nana's comments about her own daughter are very interesting....

Yeah, and if Brigitte is emotionally abusive to Emilie or whatever, why did they all agree to do this show and air their dirty laundry for all to see? I don't understand why Nana would shade Brigitte as a parent anymore than I why Brigitte would attempt to dictate which doctor the baby sees...or in any way try to make their daughters look bad on tv.

 

42 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Laura's parents are fascinating to me.  The father seems level-headed but steeped in his religion--which can apparently solve everything.  Neither one of them is particularlay bright, but I can't take my eyes of the mother when the father is talking.  SHE can't take her eyes off him.  In love? Drugged?  She seems like she's always in some kind of stupor...or hypnotized.  When she does speak, she has no inflection and simply says what someone else has said.  Can any of you armchair psychiatrists diagnose? 

This is how I think Chloe's stepdad looks at Jessica, staring right into her mouth every time she speaks in some weird, slackjawed amazement. Not an armchair shrink but I am guessing it's sexual. These idiots are performing some kind of magic tricks in the bedroom and have their spouses sexually hypnotized.

[Chalby]

On 10/8/2018 at 12:32 PM, Ivylady said:

I really want all these kids who are so grown and mature and able to make their own decisions to move out of their parents' houses and into the real world. The fact that Caelan and McKayla had no idea how to clean that gross toilet told me everything I needed to know about their readiness. I also gagged looking at him put his bare hand in that toilet. 

I had no problem with Caelan cleaning the toilet with his bare hand. In fact I credit him for saying, you can wash your hands afterwards. If they don't have a scrubber or rubber gloves, the toilet still needs to be cleaned. I don't see Makayla doing a thing around the house.

[StatisticalOutlier]

18 minutes ago, Soup333 said:

This is why I said they were Duggarish! That's what Michelle Duggar does to with her husband. It's like they're taught to stare lovingly and adoringly into the man's face as he spews his garbage speaks. I think it's supposed to be a sign of respect or submission or successful brainwashing or something. 

That sort of thing always reminds me of Nancy Reagan back in the day.

 

13 minutes ago, Chalby said:

I had no problem with Caelan cleaning the toilet with his bare hand. In fact I credit him for saying, you can wash your hands afterwards. If they don't have a scrubber or rubber gloves, the toilet still needs to be cleaned. I don't see Makayla doing a thing around the house.

And whichever adult it was in there said it was water stains.  Like I said upthread, it's not like he was sticking his hand in a bucket of live feces.