The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin'

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, kaleidoscope said:

I would love to know what a typical day of schoolin' is like at the SOTDRT.  Is Jana teaching?  Maybe Anna?  Are the littles just propped in front of a computer?  Of course now that it is summer break, I'm sure nothing is going on (kind of like a typical day?).

This is what it was in 2013

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/day-life-michelle-duggar-and-her-kids/

[lookeyloo]

Well, I for one do not believe any of that except for the part where Jinger gets lunch and Jessa and her buddies get dinner.

[Mollie]

1 hour ago, lascuba said:

The Duggars have used tutors to handle the homeschooling for years. That I know of, first it was one of the McQueery's (sp?), and then it was Tabitha. I think doing any "teaching" themselves is considered below the Duggars now, even if it's just keeping track of whatever online program the kids are using. There's no shortage of locals willing to send their daughters to the Duggars to teach in exchange for room and board. 

The law in Arkansas used to state that homeschool teachers could only be the mother or father.  When the law was changed and that stipulation was removed, Tabitha was hired to be a tutor.  They were still careful to call her a tutor, not a teacher.  That's the same time the law was changed to require homeschool until age 17, not 16.

The Duggars hired a music teacher, but that was always OK because that was not a core subject.

It was all mostly done on the computer with Gothard approved courses.  In reality, Michelle ended up having the older kids teach the younger ones.  Jessa was the main teacher and she's one of the many who never passed the GED.  Only Josh, Jill, Jinger and John-David passed the GED.  These kids didn't: Jana, Jessa, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, and Jeremiah.   This is one of the reasons why the Duggar kids work for Jim Bob.  Without a high school diploma or GED, where could they get a job?

In Arkansas, there are no standard achievement tests required and no minimum hours of school per day.  'Teachers' don't need any qualifications.  Homeschool means noschool in Arkansas.  It's a travesty.

By the way, one of the reasons Michelle and Jim Bob didn't report child-molesting Josh to the police is because the law states: "Home schooling prohibited if a sex offender resides in the home." 

[ginger90]

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Only Josh, Jill, Jinger and John-David passed the GED.  These kids didn't: Jana, Jessa, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, and Jeremiah.   

 

 

 

Did they not pass the test, or did they not take the test?

[Sew Sumi]

@Mollie What's your source on the GED? We were always led to believe that Jessa had hers, and that's why she was"teaching" the Howlers and some Lost Girls. I understood that she was in charge of testing, but not much else.

[Mollie]

6 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

 

Did they not pass the test, or did they not take the test?

In 2014, Michelle stated that she had all of the kids take the GED test. "Later when they're finished with their high school education, I'll have them take the GED test. It's not required in our state, but I like them to do it because it's good for them to have that certificate. That's their equivalent of finishing their high school education."  http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/homeschooling-milestones/

That's when Arkansas also required that homeschool kids take a standardized test once a year, though the test was never graded and never meant anything.  Kids had to take it or they weren't allowed to be homeschooled anymore.  Then Arkansas stopped requiring that.

5 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

@Mollie What's your source on the GED? We were always led to believe that Jessa had hers, and that's why she was"teaching" the Howlers and some Lost Girls. I understood that she was in charge of testing, but not much else.

Michelle wrote on her blog everytime a kid passed the GED.  

[RazzleberryPie]

21 minutes ago, Mollie said:

By the way, one of the reasons Michelle and Jim Bob didn't report child-molesting Josh to the police is because the law states: "Home schooling prohibited if a sex offender resides in the home." 

This is a very interesting tidbit.

Joe actually went to a real college for a semester. Did the not require a high school diploma/GED or eqiv? Maybe she just didn't blog about all of them.

[Absolom]

Trusting Michelle to remember to make a blog post about each kid and the GED isn't for me reliable information. 

[Sew Sumi]

9 minutes ago, Mollie said:

In 2014, Michelle stated that she had all of the kids take the GED test. "Later when they're finished with their high school education, I'll have them take the GED test. It's not required in our state, but I like them to do it because it's good for them to have that certificate. That's their equivalent of finishing their high school education."  http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/homeschooling-milestones/

That's when Arkansas also required that homeschool kids take a standardized test once a year, though the test was never graded and never meant anything.  Kids had to take it or they weren't allowed to be homeschooled anymore.  Then Arkansas stopped requiring that.

Michelle wrote on her blog everytime a kid passed the GED.  

I'm not on a laptop, can you (or someone else provide these blog posts? Didn't they pretty much scrub that blog? Wayback Machine is needed, and I have no clue how to use it. ?

[Churchhoney]

17 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

This is a very interesting tidbit.

Joe actually went to a real college for a semester. Did the not require a high school diploma/GED or eqiv? Maybe she just didn't blog about all of them.

He didn't take an actual Clown College college-level course at Clown College, I don['t think. They have a one-semester course for, I think, the general public (or its male members in any case) that's basically bible study and maybe how to talk about bible study with others. That's a completely separate program -- like a standalone certificate in something -- and as far as I know it has no prerequisites, except they probably expect you to be able to read. 

I think the program he was in may have morphed into a two-semester more rigorous course now. (or just disappeared) But I think they may be trying to transition all their stuff into as academically respectable forms as possible, over time. 

Edited June 4, 2017 by Churchhoney

[Rabbittron]

 http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/

Here is the link.

[Mollie]

10 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

This is a very interesting tidbit.

Joe actually went to a real college for a semester. Did the not require a high school diploma/GED or eqiv? Maybe she just didn't blog about all of them.

He went to clown college (Crown College) and they accept Christian homeschoolers because it is a Bible college only.  In fact, it even has a course about how to teach in homeschool.  Crown College is not accredited by normal accrediting agencies.  It is approved only by the dubious Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_Association_of_Christian_Colleges_and_Schools

That school doesn't even require applicants to take the SAT or ACT tests for admittance.  I don't think any of the Duggar kids could score well enough on those tests to get accepted at the University of Arkansas.

[Mollie]

38 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

Maybe she just didn't blog about all of them.

She makes a big deal when each kid finishes homeschool:  a party for 150 people, a presentation of a certificate Michelle printed from her computer, and a big writeup on Facebook with lots of pictures.  She would definitely boast when a kid passed the GED.  She just ran out of kids who could do that.  

That is another reason why she hired Tabitha to help with tutoring, not that she was any improvement.  A normal high school kid in Arkansas is required to take Algebra I, geometry, Algebra II,  biology, two more classes of  applied biology/chemistry, chemistry, physics or Principles of Technology I & II or PIC Physics, six classes of "career focus" courses, four years of English with required reading of classic literature, etc.  There's no way Michelle or Tabitha are qualified to teach all of those subjects.  Most degreed, professional teachers can't teach all of those subjects.

Edited June 4, 2017 by Mollie

[Mollie]

I forgot to mention this, but in 2014 the GED issued a new, harder test.  It's much more difficult to pass, especially for kids who never spent a day in a real high school.

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/01/16/377475158/new-ged-test-means-many-have-to-start-from-scratch

[Sew Sumi]

Being in education! I knew that and knew it would be harder for Duggar-educated kids to even get a GED. But if they now have to graduate at 17 as of two years ago, that would have only affected Joy on down. 

What's the excuse for the older ones who supposedly don't have one when standards were about at 9th grade level IF they don't have GEDs?

Edited June 4, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[Obsidian]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

This is what it was in 2013

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/day-life-michelle-duggar-and-her-kids/

Even though it's no doubt highly formulated to sound fabulous and admirable, the schooling still sounds awful. The whole lot reading together with the little ones stopping first? Why are the older ones reading junior work? And since when are fascinating subjects like science 'book work'? Where's the experimentation and practical aspect of it? I'm sure they'd all love to grow crystals, make volcanoes, play with magnets and send toy cars up and down slopes. Even watching water evaporating sounds better than what they're doing.

[Fostersmom]

18 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I always felt bad for the 4 sisters and the other young ladies about having something so awful and traumatic laid bare for public consumption. Incest/molestation is a dirty shameful secret that takes years (if ever) for the victims to find healing.  We know these girls received no real/meaningful counseling and were forced to forgive their brother.  Then two of them were coached to minimize on national television what happened to them. Jill was in shreds.  I'd personally be humiliated to have a secret I wanted to keep laid bare on national TV.

This has bothered me from the get go. How many times has it been posted here that these girls were victims, most assuredly have long term undealt with issues, need therapy, just haven't processed the trauma, but then in the next sentence name names and specifics, links to crime reports making it obvious what happened to each, when, and how. In the quest to take down the family, absolutely zero consideration was given to those who were truly already victimized. Once again, these girls were collateral damage. Hey, sorry we outed what could be your worst nightmare, something you probably haven't told many people, but we've got magazines to sell and your parents and brother to out as abusers. Hope you don't mind!

 

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

This is what it was in 2013

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/day-life-michelle-duggar-and-her-kids/

Wow, I thought Michelle didn't believe in fairy tales and here I see she's damn good at writing them.

[bigskygirl]

18 minutes ago, Fostersmom said:

This has bothered me from the get go. How many times has it been posted here that these girls were victims, most assuredly have long term undealt with issues, need therapy, just haven't processed the trauma, but then in the next sentence name names and specifics, links to crime reports making it obvious what happened to each, when, and how. In the quest to take down the family, absolutely zero consideration was given to those who were truly already victimized. Once again, these girls were collateral damage. Hey, sorry we outed what could be your worst nightmare, something you probably haven't told many people, but we've got magazines to sell and your parents and brother to out as abusers. Hope you don't mind!

 

Wow, I thought Michelle didn't believe in fairy tales and here I see she's damn good at writing them.

Sad state of affairs. First the girls were molested by their own brother, their two nitwit parents did not get them the help they need, and now the whole wide world knows about it because their parents and brother are famewhores who believe gays, lesbians and certain others are the root of all evil which is a big factor why Josh scandal number one hit the fan, and now a lawsuit bringing the whole thing to light again. Yes, the magazine and law enforcement agency should be taking a small part of the blame for the family secret hitting the news, but I point my fingers at JB, Michelle and Josh for causing the majority of the pain the girls are going through. In my opinion, I think the lawsuit is more for JB and Michelle than the girls. JB got the girls married off quickly within the last two to three years, and Josh is now at home living under his daddy's rules because he is a molester, cheater and likes to look at porn. I cannot believe how fast JB and in a way, Josh, is trying to capitalize on their own greed by bringing out the lawsuit and bringing out Josh a little at time to the general public again. JB has brainwashed his four daughters in believing the lawsuit would heal the pain of the outing over the fact their oldest brother molested them, when in fact he is trying once again to blame others for his lack of good and decent parenting skills when it came to the fact his son is major creep and got away with physically and mentally hurting his own sisters. I also bet dollars to donuts if any money is handed out in the lawsuit, JB will con the girls into letting him handle the money. May karma come calling for JB, Michelle and Josh one day.

[RazzleberryPie]

1 hour ago, Mollie said:

He went to clown college (Crown College) and they accept Christian homeschoolers because it is a Bible college only.  In fact, it even has a course about how to teach in homeschool.  Crown College is not accredited by normal accrediting agencies.  It is approved only by the dubious Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_Association_of_Christian_Colleges_and_Schools

That school doesn't even require applicants to take the SAT or ACT tests for admittance.  I don't think any of the Duggar kids could score well enough on those tests to get accepted at the University of Arkansas.

Crown College is worse than I thought. Still better than nothing, if it gets them out of the house and off the compound for a minute, but geez. 

[Marigold]

21 hours ago, lascuba said:

The Duggars have used tutors to handle the homeschooling for years. That I know of, first it was one of the McQueery's (sp?), and then it was Tabitha. I think doing any "teaching" themselves is considered below the Duggars now, even if it's just keeping track of whatever online program the kids are using. There's no shortage of locals willing to send their daughters to the Duggars to teach in exchange for room and board. 

They also use Switched on Schoolhouse (SOS) curriculum, which is a computer based program. The child reads passages on the computer, listens to some teaching and then answers questions.  The test is then graded and the parent/tutor records the grade. 

At least they are doing that.  It was grade level but a very very easy grade level.  Certainly nothing challenging.  Very basic education. 

 

I have tried it and did not like it at all.  Hated it. My kids hated it.  Waste of money for my family. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Marigold
They use SOS not Sonlight!!!!!!

[Absolom]

I heard that the Duggars used Switched On Schoolhouse as their curriculum once the kids learn to read.  It's the one on their computers and allegedly then the ATI stuff is a supplement.  The younger kids have gotten more computer guided since Michelle quit pretending to teach.

[RazzleberryPie]

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

I heard that the Duggars used Switched On Schoolhouse as their curriculum once the kids learn to read.  It's the one on their computers and allegedly then the ATI stuff is a supplement.  The younger kids have gotten more computer guided since Michelle quit pretending to teach.

So how many of the younger kids didn't have the ATI stuff crammed down their throats by Michelle every single day? That's a good sign some may be more likely to escape if the brainwashing wasn't as intense.

[Marigold]

14 hours ago, Absolom said:

I heard that the Duggars used Switched On Schoolhouse as their curriculum once the kids learn to read.  It's the one on their computers and allegedly then the ATI stuff is a supplement.  The younger kids have gotten more computer guided since Michelle quit pretending to teach.

Absolom, you are totally correct.  It was Switched on Schoolhouse.  SOS.  I always crack up at SOS.  It totally is a SOS program!  Please, save us from this awful program! 

I mixed up the curriculums...I was just talking about Sonlight and must've had that on my mind. 

Sonlight is a literature based curriculum that is very involved and thorough.  No chance they could do that one! There are pages and pages of reading from classics etc. 

[bigskygirl]

I should not be thinking about the blasted lawsuit, but I am. Why 10 to 15 million dollars? Have they actually thought the low ratings for Counting On was the fact they are some of the most boring people on the planet. I mean weddings and births can only take you so far when it come to ratings. I seriously doubt the girls and Josh lost that amount of money in the last two years due to the molestation scandal. I think they have finally are starting to figure out the TLC money train are starting to dry up and are asking for those pesky donations and are out to get the people who called them on out on their crap. Should the molestation news have been leaked out? No, but they have realized their anti gay and lesbian/child molesters spiel would put the spotlight on them sooner or later especially since they had a child molester in their own house. 

[doodlebug]

41 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I should not be thinking about the blasted lawsuit, but I am. Why 10 to 15 million dollars? Have they actually thought the low ratings for Counting On was the fact they are some of the most boring people on the planet. I mean weddings and births can only take you so far when it come to ratings. I seriously doubt the girls and Josh lost that amount of money in the last two years due to the molestation scandal. I think they have finally are starting to figure out the TLC money train are starting to dry up and are asking for those pesky donations and are out to get the people who called them on out on their crap. Should the molestation news have been leaked out? No, but they have realized their anti gay and lesbian/child molesters spiel would put the spotlight on them sooner or later especially since they had a child molester in their own house. 

They can also sue for future earnings. They will undoubtedly engage a 'media expert' of some sort to speculate that the show would've continued on for a decade or more, with increasing earnings for them every year, which will account for millions when all 4 girls (and maybe Josh) are included.

And who can put a price on pain and suffering?  Those poor, poor girls, victimized by the press and the authorities! 

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

No, but they have realized their anti gay and lesbian/child molesters spiel would put the spotlight on them sooner or later especially since they had a child molester in their own house. 

That's what doesn't make sense to me. When Josh was offered that FRC gig, Boob didn't take him aside and say "hey, anytime you get involved in politics, people are going to dig, and dig deep. Maybe taking a high profile job where you're speaking out on controversial issues isn't such a great idea " Are they really so arrogant to think their hypocrisy wouldn't catch up with them?

[Absolom]

31 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Are they really so arrogant to think their hypocrisy wouldn't catch up with them?

Obviously.  Jim Bob has had such success within his family of ordering things as he wished that the thinks he can order the rest of the world.  King of the small pond and blind to the ocean. 

[ginger90]

Josh's lawyer

http://storylawfirm.com/attorneys-staff/travis-story/

[lascuba]

21 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Josh's lawyer

http://storylawfirm.com/attorneys-staff/travis-story/

This guys story reads like what Josh dreamed for himself as a teen. Media company, law school at Liberty, works with political campaigns. And he attends Cross Church, of course.

[Sew Sumi]

No surprise there; he's been a Duggar sycophant for years. 

[riverblue22]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Josh's lawyer

http://storylawfirm.com/attorneys-staff/travis-story/

Ick!  He looks creepy!!!

[bigskygirl]

3 hours ago, doodlebug said:

They can also sue for future earnings. They will undoubtedly engage a 'media expert' of some sort to speculate that the show would've continued on for a decade or more, with increasing earnings for them every year, which will account for millions when all 4 girls (and maybe Josh) are included.

And who can put a price on pain and suffering?  Those poor, poor girls, victimized by the press and the authorities! 

How long was 19 Kids and Counting was on? I seriously doubt the girls or should I say the family would have made 10 to 15 million from the original show and Counting On. I also do not think the show would have lasted for another decade because lets face it, America would have found another "unique" family to watch by then.

I am waiting for Anna to bring a lawsuit out because the mean nasty media went after her husband and made him out to be an evil child molester and cheater. I also cannot believe how the Duggars can be more upset over the fact the two scandals hit the fan than the fact their oldest son and brother emotionally and physically abused four of the girls and cheated on his own wife. Josh, JB, and Michelle have done more damage to the girls than the media and local enforcement agencies have done. If they would not have shoved down their beliefs and were nasty, calling certain groups of people out, and handled things the right way, the whole darn thing would have been kept quiet.

[ginger90]

Interesting that to my knowledge there hasn't been a peep from any of the family regarding Josh filing.

[bigskygirl]

3 hours ago, BitterApple said:

That's what doesn't make sense to me. When Josh was offered that FRC gig, Boob didn't take him aside and say "hey, anytime you get involved in politics, people are going to dig, and dig deep. Maybe taking a high profile job where you're speaking out on controversial issues isn't such a great idea " Are they really so arrogant to think their hypocrisy wouldn't catch up with them?

I was thinking the same thing. I know some people were saying JB was jealous Josh was going to D.C., but I think he was nervous about the molestation news hitting the fan big time. Josh did it to himself by pretending to be all Godly and Godness by promoting his hatred of gays, lesbians and certain other groups and saying they were child molesters, but meanwhile back at the house, he was hiding the fact he did some nasty and sick things to his own sisters.

At the near by Famewhore Anonymous Meeting:

A family walks up to the front of the room with the father speaking for everyone" "Hi, my name is Jim Bob Duggar, and my family especially myself, my wife Michelle and oldest son Josh are famewhores. Please forgive us! The devil made us do it, but we still believe the media and local law enforcement did us wrong, and certain people who do not follow our beliefs are the real child molesters and not our son Josh!" Now the whole family especially the women folks start to cry on cue while Michelle, JB, and Josh raises their heads to look above and tells everyone they have sinned.

[doodlebug]

8 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Interesting that to my knowledge there hasn't been a peep from any of the family regarding Josh filing.

Yeah, you'd think they'd be applauding Joshie for standing up for child molesters everywhere who have been outed unfairly by the media resulting in severe financial and emotional trauma.  They were pretty quick to pat themselves on the back and proclaim their solidarity with other victims of molestation after all.

If the girls' attorney doesn't immediately file to keep any claims from Josh being attached to the girls' suit, he/she is incompetent.  No jury in the world is going to accept that both a child molester and his victims should band together to sue the fake media or the cops for emotional damages.

[lascuba]

53 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Interesting that to my knowledge there hasn't been a peep from any of the family regarding Josh filing.

Maybe their lawyers told them to STFU after Jill's tweet about the lawsuit.

I'm still betting on this being a family decision and both sets of lawyers are unofficially working together. No on in the family was surprised by this. Even if Josh did spring this on them with no warning, the girls are absolutely not going to make a family disagreement a matter of public record. Whatever they feel about Josh intervening on their lawsuit, they're going to play along and instruct their lawyer to do the same. They won't make a move that will lead to tabloid articles and message board speculation about how angry they are at Josh for messing with their big money plans.

[Portia]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Josh's lawyer

http://storylawfirm.com/attorneys-staff/travis-story/

The bad punctuation in that bio just caused me to lose my salvation.

[Sew Sumi]

Ugh, take out all of those "as-es" and throw in a semicolon, or just make two damn sentences. Jeez. 

[BradandJanet]

Yes. He also needs to understand how to use restrictive and nonrestrictive relative clauses. Wisdom book failure. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

10 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

IWhy 10 to 15 million dollars?  

Two words: Hulk Hogan.

[PikaScrewChu]

40 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Two words: Hulk Hogan.

The Gawker trial was a thing of beauty, likely never to be replicated again. Peter Thiel was bankrolling Hulk Hogan's lawsuit and had a lot of money to burn. Without Thiel it's quite likely Hulk Hogan wouldn't have had the resources to fight against Gawker successfully. Second the fact that they were able to successfully argue that it was Terry Bollea as a private citizen in the video and not Hulk Hogan the public figure, and as such not of interest to the public, was a good one too.

The Duggars' attorneys may be good but not that good. And unless they have a Peter Thiel-esque character lurking with a vendetta against Bauer media...

[Celia Rubenstein]

3 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

The Duggars' attorneys may be good but not that good. And unless they have a Peter Thiel-esque character lurking with a vendetta against Bauer media...

The Duggars have better than that!  They have JESUS!

eta: and they have egos the size of Mount Everest, too.  And delusions about how important they are galore.  Their lawyers probably had to talk them down from asking for $50 million. Each.

Edited June 7, 2017 by Celia Rubenstein

[lascuba]

11 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

The Gawker trial was a thing of beauty, likely never to be replicated again. Peter Thiel was bankrolling Hulk Hogan's lawsuit and had a lot of money to burn. Without Thiel it's quite likely Hulk Hogan wouldn't have had the resources to fight against Gawker successfully. Second the fact that they were able to successfully argue that it was Terry Bollea as a private citizen in the video and not Hulk Hogan the public figure, and as such not of interest to the public, was a good one too.

The Duggars' attorneys may be good but not that good. And unless they have a Peter Thiel-esque character lurking with a vendetta against Bauer media...

The judge in that case refused to allow evidence that showed that Hogan knew he was being filmed, among other things. And I sometimes suspect that someone is bankrolling this lawsuit. That's why I think the Duggars have a good--if unjust--chance of winning this.

[Mollie]

1 hour ago, lascuba said:

The judge in that case refused to allow evidence that showed that Hogan knew he was being filmed, among other things. And I sometimes suspect that someone is bankrolling this lawsuit. That's why I think the Duggars have a good--if unjust--chance of winning this.

In reference to the large settlement awarded to Hulk Hogan, that was a completely different invasion of privacy issue.  Hulk was videotaped having sex with a married woman.  The woman's husband had secretly set up the camera and filmed the episode without the permission or knowledge of his wife or Hogan, which is against the law and a huge violation of privacy.  He then posted the sex tape on the Internet (which included shots of Hogan's genitalia) and Gawker then posted salient portions of the pornographic video on its website.  

Hogan lost the case, and then filed to appeal the verdict.

During the appeal trial, Gawker argued that Hogan made his sex life a public matter, although on cross-examination, when asked by Hogan's lawyer whether a depiction of his genitalia had any "news value," former Gawker editor AJ Daulerio responded "no".  That admission caused Gawker to lose the appeal.

It was a very different case than the one the Duggars have filed now.

Edited June 7, 2017 by Mollie

[PikaScrewChu]

10 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

The Duggars have better than that!  They have JESUS!

eta: and they have egos the size of Mount Everest, too.  And delusions about how important they are galore.  Their lawyers probably had to talk them down from asking for $50 million. Each.

Praise be to Lawyer Jesus! The lawyer you pray to and approves of every stupid move you make. Because earthly lawyers are dumb.

[LilJen]

On 6/6/2017 at 0:30 PM, ginger90 said:

Josh's lawyer

http://storylawfirm.com/attorneys-staff/travis-story/

Note that the menu at the top of the website finishes with "Pay Now." ( = DONATE!)

[Celia Rubenstein]

15 hours ago, Mollie said:

In reference to the large settlement awarded to Hulk Hogan, that was a completely different invasion of privacy issue.  Hulk was videotaped having sex with a married woman.  The woman's husband had secretly set up the camera and filmed the episode without the permission or knowledge of his wife or Hogan, which is against the law and a huge violation of privacy.  He then posted the sex tape on the Internet (which included shots of Hogan's genitalia) and Gawker then posted salient portions of the pornographic video on its website.  

Hogan lost the case, and then filed to appeal the verdict.

During the appeal trial, Gawker argued that Hogan made his sex life a public matter, although on cross-examination, when asked by Hogan's lawyer whether a depiction of his genitalia had any "news value," former Gawker editor AJ Daulerio responded "no".  That admission caused Gawker to lose the appeal.

It was a very different case than the one the Duggars have filed now.

Well yeah, of course it's totally different. You know that. I know that. The problem is Jim Bob Duggar doesnt know that. Thus he thinks he is entitled to fifteen million dollars. 

Court'll learn him different. Lol

[lascuba]

22 hours ago, Mollie said:

In reference to the large settlement awarded to Hulk Hogan, that was a completely different invasion of privacy issue.  Hulk was videotaped having sex with a married woman.  The woman's husband had secretly set up the camera and filmed the episode without the permission or knowledge of his wife or Hogan, which is against the law and a huge violation of privacy.  He then posted the sex tape on the Internet (which included shots of Hogan's genitalia) and Gawker then posted salient portions of the pornographic video on its website.  

Hogan lost the case, and then filed to appeal the verdict.

During the appeal trial, Gawker argued that Hogan made his sex life a public matter, although on cross-examination, when asked by Hogan's lawyer whether a depiction of his genitalia had any "news value," former Gawker editor AJ Daulerio responded "no".  That admission caused Gawker to lose the appeal.

It was a very different case than the one the Duggars have filed now.

Yes, it's a different case, but my point is that judges' biases have a huge effect on outcomes (not to defend Gawker but there was some shady shit in that trial). We're talking about Arkansas here--the likelihood of a conservative Christian judge only a degree or two removed from JB is high. What should happen and what can happen are two different things.

[Churchhoney]

21 hours ago, LilJen said:

Note that the menu at the top of the website finishes with "Pay Now." ( = DONATE!)

Well, I have to say that if I were a lawyer (or any working person) who hired myself out to Josh or JB, I'd be pretty concerned about getting paid now (or ever) too!

Edited June 8, 2017 by Churchhoney

[doodlebug]

2 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

Is there a reason the girls (at the time the interviews were done) didn't lawyer up as soon as the investigation started?

They were victims of the crime, there would be no reason for them to have lawyers.