The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin'

[2727]

A new video that discusses/criticizes Bill Gothard and the IBLP cult, hosted by a former IBLP member and a former Scientologist. Brief mention of the Duggars as being used as media-friendly faces to cover up the abuses. Probably nothing most Duggar-watchers don't already know, but a good overview. ;-)

Edited July 3, 2017 by 2727

[lookeyloo]

I just watched that entire video.  OMG.  Nutcases all covering for him because of $$ it seems.  So godly.

[Jeeves]

23 hours ago, 2727 said:

A new video that discusses/criticizes Bill Gothard and the IBLP cult, hosted by a former IBLP member and a former Scientologist. Brief mention of the Duggars as being used as media-friendly faces to cover up the abuses. Probably nothing most Duggar-watchers don't already know, but a good overview. ;-)

 

25 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

I just watched that entire video.  OMG.  Nutcases all covering for him because of $$ it seems.  So godly.

I watched it too. I thought it was very well-done and as @2727 said, a good overview. They obviously took great pains to avoid a sensational tone, but a few times I wish they'd let 'er rip a little although I understand why they didn't.

The same producer published a video in late 2015 - Growing up Quiverfull - The Duggars' Destructive Cult. I'm sure it's been mentioned here before. It's the personal story of a young woman who grew up Gothard. She's also featured in the most recent video. 

[Churchhoney]

My favorite thing -- of course, since it's my undying theme -- is that the guy repeatedly stresses aspects of Gothardism that both attract and heavily enable control freaks. As in -- No, this isn't just a group that accidentally misguides lovely people who want their children to go to heaven, although it may do some of that; at heart, it's a group that explicitly and in multiple ways sets out to attract people who really really really want to control others.

Gothard, himself a control freak and also a disgusting greedy guts, obviously knew that the greed to control others is a powerful powerful motivation for people to pay -- and continue to pay for years -- to join his group, which includes many mechanisms to help control freaks maintain their control.

Gothard's a grifter, and like all grifters he launches his product toward an audience with a powerful emotional and psychological motivation to get that product because it will fulfill their deepest desires. And, like all good grifters, he understood which motivations are strong and which are puny. In this case --  that a rage to control others is the kind of ultra-strong motivation that can really pull in those buyers.  Way way more powerful as a motive to spend bucks -- for years -- and give the grifting cult leader your undying devotion than any desire to live a godly life or ensure your family's salvation ever ever could be.

EMLTA: Plus, you get to exert your control, with assistance, while being able to deny to everybody -- including and perhaps especially yourself -- that you're in it for control. You get complete plausible deniability to pretend that, instead of a control freak, you're really an ultra-loving father who is deeply anxious to help shepherd his wife and children through a safe and godly life and into heaven. ..... It's golden grift, the Gothard product. It has it all. No wonder he and his disgusting family have made money on it. (and tapped into a large vein of abusable women, to boot!)

Edited July 3, 2017 by Churchhoney

[Whyyouneedaname]

On 6/18/2017 at 2:57 PM, Churchhoney said:

So do they still have that kitchen? Is that the one they show sometimes with a bunch of sinks and a sort of cafeteria-line arrangement down the middle? I thought it was because it looks different from those other photos where you see Jana baking or something in the kitchen that looks more like a regular kitchen in the house. .... Did they get rid of the commercial kitchen or is it still there? 

when Sierra was cooking brownies and there was burnt stuff smoking up the house, I think Jana referred to that as the "hot kitchen". It had all that commercial type ovens, food serving areas and what not.

[louannems]

I am still in shock that that smokey kitchen did not trigger the smoke detectors!

[drafan]

14 minutes ago, louannems said:

I am still in shock that that smokey kitchen did not trigger the smoke detectors!

What smoke detectors?

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, louannems said:

I am still in shock that that smokey kitchen did not trigger the smoke detectors!

Fresh batteries required. 

[Sew Sumi]

True. Boob could have sauntered over to the dump next door, and following in the steps of the Trailer Park Boys, found some smoke alarms and functioning batteries. 

[madpsych78]

Interesting article. The author indicates they were raised Quiverfull but some of the organizations mentioned don't appear to be ones mentioned before with the Duggars. Still, very similar ideas.

https://www.autostraddle.com/i-was-trained-for-the-culture-wars-in-home-school-awaiting-someone-like-mike-pence-as-a-messiah-367057/

[Pinke]

19 hours ago, drafan said:

What smoke detectors?

Really, who needs smoke detectors when you've got Jesus.

Edited July 4, 2017 by PinkyCupcake
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[Churchhoney]

20 minutes ago, PinkyCupcake said:

Really, who needs smoke detectors when you've got Jesus.

Duggars could go into the tee shirt and bumper sticker business. Prototype product:         Jesus Is My Smoke Detector

[JoanArc]

Hobby Lobby is in trouble

 

I've read the money went to ISIS. The Duggars have been filmed shopping there. Hence, the Duggars have inadvertently funded terrorism. Someone please ask them about this on twitter!

[ariel]

Two rotten peas in a pod.  The Duggars & Hobby Lobby.

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, ariel said:

Two rotten peas in a pod.  The Duggars & Hobby Lobby.

And the Greens of HL have also been Gothard fans. And donors to his enterprises. That's never a good sign. ;  )

[irisheyes]

My six year old daughter chose her own outfit today for church.  Leggings under a dress.  Totally Duggar approved!!

I tried to convince her otherwise, especially since the heat index is hovering near 100, but she refused. So, while she dressed like them, she's certainly not Duggar material!

[LilJen]

Tax/financial funny business regarding the Noah's Ark theme park that the Duggars & their ilk enjoy so much.

[Sew Sumi]

Being discussed on the Friends thread. ?

[queenanne]

I just have to put this out there:  after twenty years, it looks as if the Duggars are finally going to be bang on trend in one aspect:  Walking crosstown today I looked in the windows of both (1) H&M; and (2) Buffalo Exchange.  In both windows were:  Fragile slip dresses hung atop the world's ugliest, most gawdawful - tee-shirts.  It looked hideous.  Apparently it's en vogue now, though.  

(On the bright side, if you're a woman who puts off wearing or buying those slip dresses because you hate your upper arms, well, now's your season.)

[kalamac]

I remember that being a look in the late 80s - early 90s. So, not surprised it's coming back now. I read somewhere recently that fashion trends tend to go on a 30 year cycle. (I'm holding out for 100 year cycle, and hoping as soon as we hit the 2020s we all start dressing in flapper dresses and dapper suits.)

[queenanne]

11 hours ago, kalamac said:

I remember that being a look in the late 80s - early 90s. So, not surprised it's coming back now. I read somewhere recently that fashion trends tend to go on a 30 year cycle. (I'm holding out for 100 year cycle, and hoping as soon as we hit the 2020s we all start dressing in flapper dresses and dapper suits.)

Were they spaghetti straps?  I think that's why I found it particularly egregious.  By definition in my experience spaghetti straps are made for flippy slinky dresses, thus adding the tee seemed particularly clumsy.  It looked like sensory-clashing hell on the mannequin, thus I hoped that Buffalo Exchange window dresser just got a wild hair, but then I saw H&M's and my heart sank.

[McManda]

12 hours ago, queenanne said:

Fragile slip dresses hung atop the world's ugliest, most gawdawful - tee-shirts.  It looked hideous.  Apparently it's en vogue now, though.  

Is anyone actually buying those? All I see when I look at them is Monica circa season-one of "Friends". Add in some black clogs and tie a sweater around your waist and you're her exactly.

Fashion may be circular ... but that doesn't mean it's cute. If that's my alternative, I'll stick to the basic camis under every top I own, thanks.

Edited July 30, 2017 by McManda

[queenanne]

8 minutes ago, McManda said:

Is anyone actually buying those? All I see when I look at them is Monica circa season-one of "Friends". Add in some black clogs and tie a sweater around your waist and you're her exactly.

Fashion may be circular ... but that doesn't mean it's cute. If that's my alternative, I'll stick to the basic camis under every top I own, thanks.

Actually, I think it was a bit worse, because it had some funky busy "contrasting" tee, under a print dress styled kind of like the above... still bad, though.

[JoanArc]

I forgot how modern Modest Monica was.

[kokapetl]

In the early seasons of Seinfeld, Elaine dresses like Nicki from Big Love.

[kalamac]

7 hours ago, queenanne said:

Were they spaghetti straps?  I think that's why I found it particularly egregious.  By definition in my experience spaghetti straps are made for flippy slinky dresses, thus adding the tee seemed particularly clumsy.  It looked like sensory-clashing hell on the mannequin, thus I hoped that Buffalo Exchange window dresser just got a wild hair, but then I saw H&M's and my heart sank.

Yep, spaghetti straps, t-shirt. Usually paired with thick white socks and chunky soled work boots.

[queenanne]

2 hours ago, kalamac said:

Yep, spaghetti straps, t-shirt. Usually paired with thick white socks and chunky soled work boots.

*shudder*  Yet another thing that sounds like only a slender woman should attempt to pull off...

[JoanArc]

19 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

In the early seasons of Seinfeld, Elaine dresses like Nicki from Big Love.

 Her boyfriend still took it out. Must've had eye traps.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Do you think it is fair to say Jill spent the least amount of time with her spouse before marrying? 

I wonder if there is anything to read into that the last two Duggars to get engaged - Joy and Joe - found their "best friends" close to home, as opposed to say, Nepal.

[Scarlett45]

6 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Do you think it is fair to say Jill spent the least amount of time with her spouse before marrying? 

I wonder if there is anything to read into that the last two Duggars to get engaged - Joy and Joe - found their "best friends" close to home, as opposed to say, Nepal.

I think it's absolutely fair to say. Jessa and Ben had a long courtship by fundy standards because he was so young, but he did move onto the property and they got to spend time around each other for several months before engagement. Jinger and Jeremy were long distance, but had the most opportunities for private conversations before engagement. 

Jill met Derrick for the first time via Skype with JB right there, went to visit him in Nepal with JB right there and then BAM was engaged to him. They saw each other a handful of times before they were married. 

Compared to both Joe and Joy, who I think had natural attraction to Kendra and Austin and got to actually TALK to them without pressure before engagement if even in a group setting. Their "courtships" were actually what courtships were like among the middle class 150 years ago, young people in the community would get together in public/group settings and chat, you got a sense of someone's background and general personality- once things were progressing the young man would ask to visit the young lady at home, have dinner, escort her to social things and an engagement would follow. 

[Marigold]

6 hours ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Do you think it is fair to say Jill spent the least amount of time with her spouse before marrying? 

I wonder if there is anything to read into that the last two Duggars to get engaged - Joy and Joe - found their "best friends" close to home, as opposed to say, Nepal.

I think they had the least amount of time together and when they did communicate via text etc., they were heavily monitored. Might be contributing factor to them being mismatched.  Plus they are both nuts. ;) 

Seems Jim Bob and Michelle have lightened up A LOT lately. 

[ozziemom]

Plus Jill "fell in love" with Triple D before she even met him in person. I think she was in love with the idea of love and he was the first one Boob suggested for her. I think back then, before Joshgate, Boob thought he would have loads of time and lots of choices for spouses and the show would go on forever featuring HIM!

[kokapetl]

Outmustarded

[Totally]

Good Grief ! That is a hideous outfit, and the mustard against the orange skin... no words

[lookeyloo]

Hideous indeed but an improvement over way too tight jeans and several layered shirts that were also too tight.   I don't mind the actual print on the top. 

[flyingdi]

Her sweater matches her hair.  That's hard to pull off

[toodles]

12 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

Outmustarded

That's a pretty typical Meri Brown.  If you want more, wander over the the Sister Wives forum and check out her thread.  There are some um, really interesting outfits there.

Edited August 3, 2017 by toodles

[xwordfanatik]

11 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Hideous indeed but an improvement over way too tight jeans and several layered shirts that were also too tight.   I don't mind the actual print on the top. 

Those too tight jeans with the embellished pockets made her butt look ENORMOUS. 

Like @toodles says, there's a thread on Sister Wives devoted to Meri.  LulaRoe comes up often there.

[lookeyloo]

I read that one too. Very snark-worthy. 

[Marshmallow Mollie]

As I was growing up, I knew something was wrong in my household, but it wasn't until I became a mother that I realized how messed up my own mother is and how damaging her "parenting" was.

I doubt Jill has had this come to Jesus moment (heh) but I'm willing to bet it's dawning on Jessa. Her mother's abandonment of a baby at six months has to be percolating in her mind as she manages having a toddler, whom she adores, and a baby. At the same time, her sister bestie is rejecting some of Duggardom.

[McManda]

I have a Facebook acquaintance asking for recommendations on where she can find long, fairly priced denim skirts and all I could think was ... why?

But she also liked a Facebook page for a company called The Klassy Girl Boutique, which sells outfits such as this ...

... so I think I understand. I still ask "why?".

Edited September 5, 2017 by McManda

[Sew Sumi]

Even Jillly Muffin wouldn't wear that mess. 

[lookeyloo]

But why?  It is very mustard colored.

[Arwen Evenstar]

It looks way better than the stretched out pilly  pile of rags that Muffy typically wears.

Though this look isn't for everyone, it's still too polished and expensive for a Duggar to spend that kind of coin on.  Ya gotta buy used and save the difference.

[AUgirl]

We have a stupid rule we can't wear blue jeans to work any day but Friday. We can however wear demin skirts. I have a couple I wear when if a shirt doesn't look right with black or white jeans (which we are permitted to wear). However mine are defraudingly above the knee.

[Marigold]

I looove denim skirts. 

But nice ones that are current.  To my knee. With cute ballerina flats or other similar shoes.    Full disclosure:  I did grow up with the Fundie long denim skirts. Not all the time though.  But I did wear them. A lot. 

(I hope you still let me post here!) 

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, Marigold said:

I looove denim skirts. 

But nice ones that are current.  To my knee. With cute ballerina flats or other similar shoes.    Full disclosure:  I did grow up with the Fundie long denim skirts. Not all the time though.  But I did wear them. A lot. 

(I hope you still let me post here!) 

I have a really cute knee-length denim skirt I got at Steinmart. It's stretchy and super comfortable. I think the Duggar girls gave denim skirts a bad name because they always paired them with those Polo shirts and God awful crunchy permed hair. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

59 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I have a really cute knee-length denim skirt I got at Steinmart. It's stretchy and super comfortable. I think the Duggar girls gave denim skirts a bad name because they always paired them with those Polo shirts and God awful crunchy permed hair. 

Don't forget to mention their grubby little toes wiggling about in busted flip flops to complete their Fundie Misery Fashion ensemble.

[ariel]

and the skin tight maternity tops over them.

Edited September 13, 2017 by ariel

[cmr2014]

4 hours ago, Marigold said:

I looove denim skirts. 

But nice ones that are current.  To my knee. With cute ballerina flats or other similar shoes.    Full disclosure:  I did grow up with the Fundie long denim skirts. Not all the time though.  But I did wear them. A lot. 

(I hope you still let me post here!) 

I don't like denim skirts -- I think that the fabric is too stiff for a skirt and, as a result, they don't hang nicely, and they don't move in a flattering way when a person walks.

That having been said, unless you spend your free time telling people how much better you are than they are because you wear denim skirts, and you're not busy posting on Facebook about how Jesus loves you best because of your clothing choices, I'm certainly not going to snark on your choice of a denim skirt with some cute ballerina flats. It sounds like it could be a really cute outfit.