S13.E02: One Apology, Another Betrayal

[Should Be Working]

Vicki was especially detestable and obnoxious this episode. Meticulously engineering that "Make Eddie forgive" session with Tamra's full help and support. Then sitting there, interrupting his meal, to plead, beg, cry, lie, and scripture-quote her way to his forgiveness. At this point in his life, she is but an annoying whiny noise to him. Does Tamra ever hold this bitch responsible for all the trouble she has caused? Is their "Laverne & Shirley" friendship so special and enduring when she normally finds it incredibly easy to socially assassinate those who cross her or simply annoy her? Right, because the producers wanted it this way.

Then on to Kelley's new house to scream and yell at her for getting upset at her own admission of facilitating Michael's new dating life. What a friend.

Makes one wonder how long she'd last on the basis of her never-ending sociopathic behaviors if the producers weren't protecting her position so diligently.

[lamujerdecente]

8 hours ago, Wicked said:

I think the New York housewife could be fun, she actually reminds me of Brianna. They have the same kind of wide eyed smile.

I kinda liked her too. I just moved to Miami from New York (Small Stinit in Jersey ) My accent is the first thing people notice about me. Her kids were cute too but I hope she's not a mom like Robyn of Potmac who lets her kids run her over. 

8 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Do Vicki's friends not watch the show? Didn't they see what an asshole he was last season? Aren't there any men in the OC who aren't jerks? Why are they asking about meeting him? Ewww...

Vicki has no friends. Not. A .Soul. Don't believe me? See her wardrobe. No one who has friends dresses like that. 

[lamujerdecente]

8 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

I have felt that way for years concerning Vickie and stopped watching because of her and her drunken “who who” like she’s a big party girl.  I came back for the new girls.  Kelly was right, no matter what.  Vickie should have been truthful. Besides, I think Andy likes her, so that’s that.  I meant “who hoo” or what ever the hell she screeches.

I am the product of a Nuyorican upbringing and whenever we didn't listen to my mother (or grandmother) about someone shady they would always say, "Good For You. Kelly came on defending that hag of insecurity and bigotry so yeah my sympathy is very small. But its still f-up mostly because that hag would be on the floor screaming if anyone else did even a fraction of what she has done. And Vicki? I would trust Charles Manson quoting scriptures before I trust u. (the poster with ted buddy apology reference was brilliant btw)

I like Eddie and I don't buy he forgave her. He just wants his check. He looked for the nearest shower when she and her rat fur jacket hugged him. The man just had surgery. Let him be in peace lol. And no hag. Your butt won't look like hers not jus because you are a lumpy dumpy ass but u are lazy and entitled. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by lamujerdecente

[Higgins]

One of the funniest episodes in the history of Sit-Coms. Thank you for the memory!!

[b2H]

7 hours ago, Marley said:

So Kely should have a bbq and invite Donn and set him up.

Except that I think Donn is already involved and may already be married, but yeah, I get your point.

One thing I'm beginning to notice is the substantial lack of actual housewives in any of these franchises.  When you call your show/series 'Real Housewives', it might help if the majority of the leads were actually married to someone.  Pointing out this franchise and NYC and even Atlanta as contradictions, but is there a majority of actual 'wives' in any of these  franchises?

[poeticlicensed]

I think that they need to recruit housewives who are older and have older kids. I don't want to hear about how the husbands of the ones with toddlers,are going to cope when mommy goes on a girls trip. Bleh. 

[Higgins]

7 hours ago, Should Be Working said:

sGot to sympathize with poor Eddie's plight. An endurance athlete who appears to have inherited a tendency for A fib from his mother's side of the family. But there's also a strong correlation between years of endurance sports (running, cycling, etc.) and A fib too. Hours of sustained physical activity and resulting tremendous cardiac output put immense pressure on the walls of the heart, particularly the thin right wall, which can actually balloon from the sustained and rapid pumping action. This, in turn, can damage the electrical circuitry along the wall, leading to frequent A fib episodes and even sudden death. Eddie's double whammy might explain why his cardiologists have not yet succeeded in repairing the damaged muscle area(s) causing the A-fib.

A lot of endurance athletes with this condition have been effectively rendered invalids to lower their risks and must give up or significantly reduce their exercise activity. To someone like Eddie who lives to work out, this is the worst outcome possible short of death.

The last thing he needs at this point in his life is a blabbering, pseudo-aplogizing Vicki demanding his forgiveness.

Too much of a good thing can be bad. The health benefits of exercise come from moderate cardio a few time per week with weight training as the primary form of exercise  Skip the high intensity frequent cardio. 

6 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Most shocking thing to me is that Shannon doesn’t at the bare minimum use O.B., I would have thought she was a DIVA cup person.

I abhor OB tampons. The DIVA cup just won't fit right. The struggle.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Higgins

[Jel]

6 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Most shocking thing to me is that Shannon doesn’t at the bare minimum use O.B., I would have thought she was a DIVA cup person.

Second most shocking thing is that Shannon still gets her period.

[WireWrap]

31 minutes ago, b2H said:

Except that I think Donn is already involved and may already be married, but yeah, I get your point.

One thing I'm beginning to notice is the substantial lack of actual housewives in any of these franchises.  When you call your show/series 'Real Housewives', it might help if the majority of the leads were actually married to someone.  Pointing out this franchise and NYC and even Atlanta as contradictions, but is there a majority of actual 'wives' in any of these  franchises?

Yes, BH, NJ and Dallas still have more "married" HWs than not. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by WireWrap

[Higgins]

2 minutes ago, Jel said:

Second most shocking thing is that Shannon still gets her period.

How old is she? 

[ghoulina]

I continue to really feel for Eddie and his heart issues. I know how much being active is a part of his life, and it sucks to be sidelined by something so out of your control like that. Almost a year ago, I developed a back problem that really interfered with my exercise routine and how active I prefer to be. It's SO hard to adjust. You just don't know any other way to be.Eddie is so quiet anyhow, but he almost seemed depressed to me. I hope he can get the help he needs and someday be able to resume a SOMEWHAT active lifestyle? 

I mean, I have to think SOMETHING is wrong with the dude. Either that or he just really hates Vicki. Because I've never seen him turn down food before. And what is up with Vicki sending smoothies and then some random take-out??? Where is the mother fucking casserole??? 

I wasn't surprised at all when she just showed up at their lunch. That's Vicki. When she decides she wants something, she's like a damn freight train. Eddie is a better man than I am, because no way in hell I'm forgiving that shrew. She continues to downplay HER involvement in every single thing that happened. I ain't got time for that. I did get a huge kick out of the way he just openly started laughing at her when she brought up Deuteronomy. Save the Osteen crap for church, Vicki. 

Shannon and Tamra are disappointing me with their forgiveness as well. Especially Shannon. But I guess they just want to play that reality show game. 

 

As for Vicki vs. Kelly - I'm team Kelly. Now, let me just say, Kelly left her husband. She wanted out. She was over that dude for years. Could barely stand him. So I'm not likely to have much sympathy in the way of "Oh, Michael's dating someone else". Tough. However, I do think it's supremely awkward for your friend to go on double dates with your ex. It just is. I don't know how Michael got to know this chick. Is she a friend of Steve's and Vicki's? Just Steve? I mean, if Michael just met her at a party through Steve, no biggie. But Vicki should bow out of the whole double date idea. And then she was keeping it from Kelly. So yea, that's just a mess and very hurtful. I totally saw Kelly's side. 

Let's not forget the way Vicki acts when people hang out with HER ex. She has left a passive aggressive comment every fucking time she sees a picture of Donn on Ryan's Instagram. And Briana has a valid connection to Donn! So if she can't see the issue here - she's crazier than I thought. 

And, of course, Vicki has to launch into her old rage-yelling self. I don't think she ever really liked Kelly. I think she was just using her as a seat filler because her other friends were mad at her. Now that she's making amends, she can toss Kelly aside like last week's casserole. 

 

Still not sure where I land with the new girls. Emily's marriage seems so dull and awkward. Her fertility stories are sad, but it sucks that they're not on the same page with another child. 

I think I might like Gina. She seems like a sarcastic ball of realness. I loved when she said she was always losing her youngest son because, "he's a fast fucker". She just seems to share my sense of humor. But time will tell. I do think it's odd that she apparently knows little about her husband's life out in LA. But I can relate to enjoying the pressure-free time of having a hubby away. I don't know if I could do it on a regular basis, though. 

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, Higgins said:

How old is she? 

Shannon is 54 and, if my memory is working today (LOL), she has talked about taking/being on hormones, which might explain why she still gets her period.

[Jel]

I thought she was 55-56, but Googled and discovered she is 54.

Average age of menopause = 51.

The shock stays ;)

[Higgins]

 At 49 I keep thinking if I would just skip a period, I could see light at the end of the tunnel but like clockwork, there it is every month. No end is in sight. Sigh.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Higgins

[SuprSuprElevated]

24 minutes ago, Jel said:

Second most shocking thing is that Shannon still gets her period.

Could have been for the daughter/s.

[ghoulina]

9 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

I really don't want to hear about fertility and adding more to the herd. I feel for her somewhat but damn she is blessed to have 3. Be thankful. 

For the most part I agree with this. But I can also somewhat relate to Emily. I have 3 kids. I had two boys first, and my daughter is my baby. She has special needs and from the start I knew I had reached my mental capacity of what I could handle. We were done and I never regretted it. I still don't really regret not having another kid. But I have recently started to feel guilty about it, for my daughter's sake. At the ages were at right now (10, 8, and 6) my boys are super close and do everything together and my daughter gets left out a lot. She has talked a lot recently about wishing she had a sister to play with and I feel SO bad. Of course there's no guarantee that if we had another kid (NOT happening) it would be a girl (it probably wouldn't). But even a boy closer to HER age would be fun for her. She just seems to lonely all the time and it makes me sad, and then I feel bad. 

So even though I'm completely happy with my three amazing kids and I know I'm very fortunate to have them, I can sort of relate to wanting another to round out the numbers, give someone a pal, etc. I get it. But given that she can't carry herself and her sister was gracious enough to carry for her twice, I feel like she really needs to put things in perspective and realize that sometimes things don't go exactly as we planned and that's okay. 

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Gosh.  How long did that so called 'apology' go on before Vicks actually said, "I'm sorry?" 

Right??? I was actually hoping she would never officially say those words. That would be so Vicki-like. 

 

7 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Most shocking thing to me is that Shannon doesn’t at the bare minimum use O.B., I would have thought she was a DIVA cup person.

I thought they were her daughter's tampons?

[SuprSuprElevated]

21 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Her fertility stories are sad, but it sucks that they're not on the same page with another child. 

On my island, when you have three biological, total of five children, I give zero f*cks about your infertility issues.  Get off my teevee with that.

[ghoulina]

5 hours ago, Pegasaurus said:

Emily will have her 4th child, I'm sure. She's an attorney, after all.

And a party planner! So she can throw together one of those super fun gender reveal parties. Yay!

 

1 hour ago, lamujerdecente said:

I like Eddie and I don't buy he forgave her. He just wants his check.

I don't think Eddie cares about a check. I just think he doesn't want the drama. In his opinion, it may have been easier to just "forgive" her and let Tamra do her thing. 

 

6 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

On my island, when you have three biological, total of five children, I give zero f*cks about your infertility issues.  Get off my teevee with that.

I don't care how many kids she has. She miscarried twins at 4 months. That's fucking devastating for anyone. 

[RHJunkie]

I like Eddie. Always have. He seems like a reasonable guy that doesn't like drama and so I think he balances out Tamra's penchant for finding drama at every turn. I'm not sure how much time he'll really dedicate to building trust with Vicki but I feel that he did accept that apology at the very least to squash drama.

Between Vicki inserting herself into Eddie and Tamra's lunch, her THs that follow up every claim about 'taking accountability' with mention of they did to her, and her behaviour with Kelly are all signs to me that Vicki hasn't changed. When put in a compromising position, she seems devoid of any understanding of how her actions can negatively impact someone as if it's impossible for her to ever be the 'bad guy'. I don't think Kelly was upset by the idea of Michael moving on (which is what Vicki suggested her tears were about). It's feeling betrayed by a friend. Kelly held herself together until Vicki confessed that they've gone on double dates together with Michael and his new girl. I'm on Kelly's side here. A real friend would have shared that information, especially considering that friend was in fact taking part in activities with her ex. Instead of having an honest and transparent conversation with Kelly from the get go, Vicki allowed Kelly to be blindsided by others gossiping and it was made to feel like things were intentionally being done behind her back.

Need more time to to gauge Emily. I appreciated her sharing her story of infertility and that her sister was able to help bless her with her children but I couldn't feel that bad for her when she was talking about wanting another child because she came across as whiny to me. I didn't have the best first impression of her husband but I liked that he stood his ground with her...at least for now. Her timing on the conversation topic wasn't the greatest

 Early days, but I'm liking Gina (I think that's her name) so far. She's got that fun New York personality which I adore. We'll see how she fairs as the season progresses.

I haven't read up on Shannon's account of how the divorce talk with David had gone but I feel quite certain that regardless what she says, he was the one that finally pulled the plug on their marriage. I think Shannon still loves him and as hard as their marriage was, she may have taken him sticking around as a sign that they were both wanting to make it work and it allowed her to live in fantasy land, a screwed up version but a fantasy land nonetheless.

[Kiki777]

I think the tampons were for the daughters bc didn't Shannon say last season that she is post-menopausal?

Archie in the credits!  Yay!  Who's a good boy??

Vicki is 'punishing' Kelly for not being her ride-or-die last season.  I am not liking this redemption arc.  Aside from the cancer scam, this piece of garbage sided with Brooks over Brianna when the former repeatedly sexually harassed the latter- her own daughter. This is how desperate she is to have a man in her life.

I genuinely worry for Eddie.  He lost color in his face.

the new girls bore me.  Bring on Heather and her house porn!

Edited July 24, 2018 by Kiki777
Weird auto-correct

[Carolina Girl]

11 hours ago, Wicked said:

But I feel that Vicki is wrongity wrong wrong wrong for not telling Kelly about going on double dates with her ex. 

Of course, I can understand Kelly's apprehension, since she knows Gunvalson the Bass-Mouthed Harpy would probably spill every piece of nasty gossip she knows about Kelly to Michael on their double dates.    

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Shannon is 54 and, if my memory is working today (LOL), she has talked about taking/being on hormones, which might explain why she still gets her period.

Mine stopped at exactly 55 .. I never took hormones, and I got it at age 12.

[Mu Shu]

8 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Most shocking thing to me is that Shannon doesn’t at the bare minimum use O.B., I would have thought she was a DIVA cup person.

I think those were for the girls.

But Shannon wouldn’t be able to dig a Diva cup out without David.  Sorry for being gross.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Mu Shu

[Mu Shu]

7 hours ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

Persian here. I'd be curious if you inserted another ethnicity or race instead of 'Persian' in your sentence, if you'd think it'd be okay to hint at whatever stereotypical thought you have about a group of people.

It was mentioned that someone was half Persian.  The Shahs of Sunset is a reality show peopled by trashy ass people who mention being Persian at every turn. They have perpetrated whatever stereotype you are alluding to.

[Juliegirlj]

Emily’s husband seems checked out. Interesting that he was a divorced Mormon with 2 kids from first wife when he married Emily.......

Eddie went through a lot, and Vicki caught him at a vulnerable time. Classic Narcissist that she is, Vicki wants sympathy and forgiveness instead of giving a simple apology and asking what she can do to support Eddie and Tamra during their difficult health struggle. Eddie appeared emotional and had tears in his eyes so I think those rumors bothered him. 

I don’t blame Kelly for being hurt at Vicki’s lack of loyalty to her. It’s one thing to wish your ex well but another thing to find out he and a new woman were hanging out with Kelly’s friend. 

[lamujerdecente]

Vicki will never change. And as long as she stays on this show that will def stay the case. She’s pretty hated as well. There is very little divide on Vicki likers vs Vicki haters. Most belong to the latter.  I would love her delusion when I take my old ass swimsuit shopping. 

 

Her man is too attractive for her as well. He’s a rumored douche tho so there is that. 

 

I will respect her daughter more if she stays off this show as well. Associating with this kind of tack bag bigot isn’t good for anyone even the spawn. 

Emily bugs. Hard. 

Her little pouty act about having one more kid didn’t ring true to me. She came off ungrateful to me imo. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by lamujerdecente

[pieinmyeye]

13 hours ago, bosawks said:

At least now we know Vicki can google bible quotes.

Bwahahahahahaha!!

[ghoulina]

26 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Eddie went through a lot, and Vicki caught him at a vulnerable time. Classic Narcissist that she is, Vicki wants sympathy and forgiveness instead of giving a simple apology and asking what she can do to support Eddie and Tamra during their difficult health struggle. Eddie appeared emotional and had tears in his eyes so I think those rumors bothered him. 

I do too. It's really unfortunate that Spencer had to come home from school wondering why his friends were asking if his step-dad is gay. 

(Of course, Tamra could leave the show if it's negatively affecting her children. Yea right!)

[BodhiGurl]

2 hours ago, Higgins said:

 At 49 I keep thinking if I would just skip a period, I could see light at the end of the tunnel but like clockwork, there it is every month. No end is in sight. Sigh.

 

LOL - I laugh with you - my "friend" showed up this AM. Right. On. Time. I'm 48.5, my friends are going through the change or have - and here I am... right. on. time. UGH. I know there is a benefit to still having it regularly, but... yeah... just start being a day or two later each month... mmmkay? Ha ha... Add me to the list of surprised folks that Shannon still gets her cycle at 54.

 

ETA: Reading some of the latter posts of folks getting their cycle well into their 50's - oh my... I must know a few exceptions to the rule, with women ending their periods b4 they hit 50... I had some light at the end of the tunnel - now that tunnel is further away. But again, I presume I will appreciate the benefits of still getting a regular period for however it decides to last... sigh. ;) 

Edited July 24, 2018 by BodhiGurl
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[SweetieDarling]

I am already liking Gina more than Emily, just from how they described their daughters. I'm guessing Gina's description of "An amazing, rad, bad ass little girl" could also apply to Emily's daughter, but instead she chose to call her "feral". I know it was a joke, and even I found it funny, but I like Gina's Rosemary bush wrestling little girl better, just from the description. She seems happier about her children, but that could be the resting fart smell face Emily has contorted her mouth into.  @QQQQ nailed it with the pic of Jennifer Coolidge from Best in Show! 

I also don't like that she was trying to cause trouble with her husband on their anniversary dinner date by bringing up having another child. She knew he doesn't want another one and brought it up anyway, on a night that was supposed to be special and celebratory, and worse, televised on national tv. All they need to do now is renew their vows, and,...well, we know the rest.

[pieinmyeye]

11 hours ago, rags said:

These two new housewives are just as boring to watch as Peggy & Lydia. Yes, I am going to admit this....bring back Heather Dubrow.

I wish she’d come back too, but if her reason for leaving was because she didn’t want to be associated with the shrieking banshees any longer I totally understand.

[njbchlover]

I am seriously pretty much over the OC ladies, I'm only watching now out of habit.  Having said that, I really, really dislike Kelly but am definitely on her "side" regarding Vicki and Vicki's setting up one of her friends with Kelly's ex....not only that, but double-dating with them.

I really hate the term "girl code", but it applies here.  There are sooo many lines that Vicki crossed over with this latest maneuver.  First, she entertained Kelly's ex at her home without Kelly (and without telling Kelly).  Second, the barbecue was held with the intention of setting Kelly's ex up with one of Vicki's "friends".  Again, all without Kelly (Vicki's "supposed" friend not knowing).  And, lastly, after all of that, Vicki and Steve have double-dated with Kelly's ex and his new dates.  

What kind of friend is Vicki?  This is all so beneath contempt I don't blame Kelly for throwing Vicki out of her house.  Vicki is lucky that Kelly didn't throw that drink she was holding in her face.  (I guess the anger management classes are working for Kelly).

I have feeling this is going to be hanging on for the entire season - I mean, Vicki has to be fighting with SOMEONE each season, doesn't she?  

[beeziebee]

11 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Most shocking thing to me is that Shannon doesn’t at the bare minimum use O.B., I would have thought she was a DIVA cup person.

Well, if she "loses" the device tip giving herself a "colonic", I wouldn't trust her with an applicator-free tampon. 

[mytmo]

Know who knows scriptures extremely well?  Satan.  I am never really impressed by anyone that throws out Bible quotes especially when they act like the devil every day.  

[nexxie]

10 hours ago, ivygirl said:

Does Vicki have a conscience? I mean, rewatching hat scene with her and Kelly at the end, it’s like she’s incapable of understanding human emotions and honest behavior—and then does her darndest to blame the other person. “Don’t put it on me that I had a party and your ex was there and he met a woman and we’ve hung out several times but I didn’t bother to tell you any of this until you confronted me!!!1!11!!!!”

Nope - no conscience and no empathy. What a delight!

[lamujerdecente]

19 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Nope - no conscience and no empathy. What a delight!

Aww my dear you are so wrong! Vicki has loads of empathy. For herself. 

[Midnight Cheese]

I never thought I'd feel this way but I like Kelly a little -she's always close to the beach and doesn't need ten thousand square feet to feel like she's important.   Smart lady.   I legitimately think she likes being Jolie's mom, probably wants her ex to move on, and is not self-pitying.    I can't say this of any other woman on this show except, it seems, Gina.   Gina's promising!   Smart, pretty, and a hands-on SAHM.   Don't let me down, Lawn Guyland!

I hate Vicki, she's a monster and cruel while also being a baby, and she is the ugliest woman I've ever seen.   So nothing's new there.

I really don't like Emily and think she's manipulative, entitled and ungrateful.   Many - likely most - women getting fertility help don't get near her success and she knows it. She's also tacky, I doubt her legal practice brings in much (her office scene had a whiff of Coto Insurance to it), she's a braggart, and I think her marriage is a sham on her end, possibly his as well.   And gee is she hard to look at and it has nothing to do with not being a size two!

Edited July 24, 2018 by Midnight Cheese

[ladle]

I'm originally from Long Island, and no one has ever treated me like an exotic species because of it, so I found that really weird.  Though I have been asked multiple times if I know Amy Fisher...

 

Also, while I have no particular opinion about Gina at this point, I do kind of love that she's letting her daughter run around in androgynous sweatclothes, rather than forcing her into pinky fluffy gendered frou frou outfits, as so many of the other Housewives do with their daughters.  FWIW, her kids looked like kids, and she seemed like a "real", hands-on mom. 

[ladle]

16 hours ago, bosawks said:

Is Vicki Fonzie with her inability to apologize?

Why did I initially read that as "Fozzie"?  Probably because of Vicki's jacket. 

 

15 hours ago, Wicked said:

But I feel that Vicki is wrongity wrong wrong wrong for not telling Kelly about going on double dates with her ex. 

YES!!!  I'm surprised this is even in question.  Kelly is batshit 90% of the time, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.  And I guarantee Vicki would be feeling the same way if Kelly were double dating with Brooks or Don behind her back. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

2 hours ago, Pegasaurus said:

It's different for some.  I had my period through age 57; no artificial hormones involved.  Happy when they finally stopped except after a couple years you realize the changes in hair, skin, etc.   Bleh.

59 here, no artificial hormones.  I kind of embraced it because I knew about the hair and skin changes that would follow--and I was right.  Bleh indeed.

 

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But I think Shannon looks very good at age 54 - not too artificial.

I wish she'd lay off the dark eye makeup.  Women tend to look a lot younger and fresher without loads of it.  But that's probably really reaching in this demographic, where still being even recognizable can be a big ask.

 

15 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I loved it when Emily's husband told her that contrary to her belief that her embryos are lonely, that they have each other. That cracked me up.

Me, too.  I don't really like either of the new cast members, but that guy wasn't having it.  Lonely embryos as a reason for creating a human?

[bichonblitz]

5 hours ago, Jel said:

I thought she was 55-56, but Googled and discovered she is 54.

Average age of menopause = 51.

The shock stays ;)

I got my last period on my 54th Birthday. I thought it would never happen. 

[Dirtybubble]

4 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I like Eddie. Always have. He seems like a reasonable guy that doesn't like drama and so I think he balances out Tamra's penchant for finding drama at every turn. I'm not sure how much time he'll really dedicate to building trust with Vicki but I feel that he did accept that apology at the very least to squash drama.

With all that Eddie is going thru I feel like maybe this isn't the right time to be stressing him out over Vicky.  Tamra may be over it but what Vicky insinuated with Eddie was just mean.  But then again I don't understand why Tamra would decide to move right in the middle of Eddie's surgery and such.  Relaxing in home that is being renovated...IDK how that would work.

[bichonblitz]

3 hours ago, Pegasaurus said:

Eddie - laughing out loud when Vicki started in with the Deuteronomy bible quotes - I'm sure he was thinking "how much are they paying me to deal with this crap?"  

Exactly! I never much cared for Eddie, I always thought he was using Tamra for her HW money, gym, etc. but he was so cool and calm with Vicki and even with Tamra. He was basically saying I'll forgive you, bitch, if only for Tamra, but it 's going to take a long time and let's be clear, I'm watching you! 

[kicksave]

16 hours ago, Annlynn said:

Who can live with Viki? She is so demanding of her men. I hope this guy doesn't put up with it long.

She seems to be attracted to omega type guys...no alpha male would ever put up with her crap. He's got it good right now...Vicky has tons of money and I'm sure she's spending a lot of it on him. He hasn't fully committed to her and keeps a place in another town...good move on his part. 

[raiderred1]

15 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

The lawyer and her hubs... no disrespect but in the first episode when we first met him I thought he was her gay bestie. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the closet and had to get married to get the inheritance or whatever... There was ZERO sexual or romantic chemistry btwn the two of them. They don't even seem to be besties who got married because they were both of a certain age... no chemistry. At all. And I don't think it's that first season "uncomfortable in front of the cameras" situation..

Same wave length as you! 

[kicksave]

16 hours ago, Wicked said:

I think the New York housewife could be fun, she actually reminds me of Brianna. They have the same kind of wide eyed smile.

I hope she doesn't do the jazz hands thing anymore.

[ladle]

11 hours ago, ivygirl said:

Does Vicki have a conscience?

No.

[kicksave]

16 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I LOVED the looks Eddie and Tamra were giving each other while Vicki was apologizing. Like they were wondering if they were in an alternate universe. They both looked like they were trying not to laugh.

About Eddie and his AFIB....I have AFIB and the one of the first things the cardiologist told me was "NO MORE ALCOHOL"...drinking can create real problems even after ablation or cardio version...if you want to have an AFIB episode that can land you in the hospital, then by all means drink! And Eddie indeed has more issues with his heart that the ablation procedure didn't address, why in the world would you order a martini????? Hard alcohol is definitely taboo with AFIB...these people are too stupid to watch sometimes. I haven't had a drink in the fours years since I was diagnosed...I never want to experience an episode of AFIB again.
 

[BodhiGurl]

3 minutes ago, kicksave said:

About Eddie and his AFIB....I have AFIB and the one of the first things the cardiologist told me was "NO MORE ALCOHOL"...drinking can create real problems even after ablation or cardio version...if you want to have an AFIB episode that can land you in the hospital, then by all means drink! And Eddie indeed has more issues with his heart that the ablation procedure didn't address, why in the world would you order a martini????? Hard alcohol is definitely taboo with AFIB...these people are too stupid to watch sometimes. I haven't had a drink in the fours years since I was diagnosed...I never want to experience an episode of AFIB again.
 

I guess my response to seeing him drinking a martini was not off - I thought it was really odd, given his health problems, that he would be drinking booze... Not something to mess with. :( 

[raiderred1]

6 hours ago, Higgins said:

13 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Most shocking thing to me is that Shannon doesn’t at the bare minimum use O.B., I would have thought she was a DIVA cup person.

I abhor OB tampons. The DIVA cup just won't fit right. The struggle.

I have a feeling those were one of the daughter's tampons and not Shannon's.  Isn't she in menopause? I kind of recall her talking about it or something.  And I hated OB's, too!