S05.E16: Reunion Part 2 2018.07.26

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, Bronzedog said:

I don't know.  I kind of felt sorry for Ashley in a way and I think Cameron was actually trying to help her.  She is a complete ass, but, she also seems scared to death of Thomas. I'll let myself out now.

I agree that Cam was trying to help her - but Kathryn was right to call her sadistic. Ashley and Thomas are doing some sick dance together!

[CatMomma]

18 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

LOL, listening to Kathryn preaching, look at St. Kathryn now.  Blech.

If they thought they were helping Ashley, they did nothing more than push her more into Thomas' arms.  Attacking someone doesn't work and I don't know why folks don't get that.

 

So? She lied the entire time.  She regrets nothing but wants to be friends with Katherine?

Btw,  not a mother and I wanted to come at Ashley after Hilton Head.  So,  not just a mom thing. 

You are right.  She is with an abuser who has convinced her that everyone is against him. She won't listen,  but damn.  Who can blame them for trying?

But,  she agreed to be on a reality show reunion.  She got it easy compared to most. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by CatMomma

[Sooner Smiles]

I really didn’t like the way Ashley was implying Katherine had a problem with one of her drug tests. She made it sound like it was shady, but when Katherine said she was working and was having trouble getting there by 5:00, Ashley said well you better be glad they let you come late or it would have counted as a fail. Really, so Katherine is working at her job and Ashley would use that against her in regards to custody. That’s just not right. 

Having someone like her have a say in whether I got to see my children or not would scare the crap out of me. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by Sooner Smiles
Additional ranting

[hottesthw]

37 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I don't enjoy seeing the women at all.  To me, they're all mean girls. 

Why did Andy call Kathryn the "mama bear?"  Oh please, at least he didn't call her St. Kathryn.

No Andy, Ashley was right, just because you give birth doesn't make you a mother.  I think Ashley said a lot of truth, but people are like, "you can't say that!!"

And why are they bating Ashley, when Thomas is a million times worse.  Shep, shut up, you're not a saint.

I don't understand all this Kathryn love all of a sudden and actually find it quite frustrating. It's not a rumor initiated by Thomas that Kathryn did put her children in harm's way at some point and as a result, lost custody of them. A judge started that "rumor" gang, not Ashley. So someone reminding you of that may seem harsh, but it's still makes you a shitty mom who lost custody of her kids!! I don't care how many drug tests she takes, when I look at Kathryn and look at those poor kids all I feel is disgust towards her. Those kids are going thru hell because of HER actions, no-one else. And I think taking a few bad words from some nutjob is NOTHING compared to what she's put those poor babies thru the last few years. I'm literally shocked at Cam's take on this whole thing as a new mom herself. 

I wonder, when Kathryn turned her phone off for those few days and was "missing", did she miss visits with her kids? And if it wasn't her day(s), did she call them, or did she ignore them too? Because if so, just proves again, she's far from being a "real" mom. I'm sick of Kathryn and her bullshit renewed self.  She can lecture Ashley all she wants but the world knows, if Thomas dumped her and professed his love for Kathryn and invited her to live in the mansion, her bags would be packed in 3.5 seconds.

Craig and Naomi are like kids sitting at the adult table during Thanksgiving. They belong together with their high school attitudes and pouting and outbursts. Go, please, don't come back.

This show is starting to annoy me. 

[nexxie]

3 minutes ago, Sooner Smiles said:

I really didn’t like the way Ashley was implying Katherine had a problem with one of her drug tests. She made it sound like it was shady, but when Katherine said she was working and was having trouble getting there by 5:00, Ashley said well you better be glad they let you come late or it would have counted as a fail. Really, so Katherine is working at her job and Ashley would use that against her in regards to custody. That’s just not right. 

Having someone like her have a say in whether I got to see my children or not would scare the crap out of me. 

And even worse thinking she might be around your children!

[JenE4]

49 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I have an overwhelming need to invoke Antoine Dodson. I can't believe this woman is still on the loose.

Thank you so much, RedDelicious, for the throwback to the ultimate viral video The Bed Intruder Song. That video kills me every time! Wise words, indeed: “Hide yo kids, hide yo wives. Hide yo kids. Hide yo wives. And hide your husbands cause they rapin everybody out here.” But, I think the song is more for Thomas than Ashley.

But, man, the whole gang really got me feeling for Ashley when they were empathetic for her and saying Thomas is the one causing all of this and brainwashing her—and gaslighting her. That was so sad when she was saying it was her fault Thomas threw the food at her. But it was also pretty strange the way she was saying their way of having fun is fighting and her immediate response to an earlier question about what’s their relationship like is that they like to scare each other—jumping out at each other and throwing open the shower curtain, or as Shep responded, Psycho play-acting. I think all that says a lot about their dysfunction and the continual need to get this negative charge out of each other by terrorizing each other and everyone around them. This isn’t normal. I feel like we’re watching the lead up to one of these torturous serial killer couples on that ID 24-hour murder channel. What the fuck? Thomas is crazy. Yes, Kathryn played into that dynamic a bit, but she was 21 and they just had a love-hate pull between themselves, so whatever. But Thomas and Ashley together—holy shit—they’ll terrorize the world with their “love.” 

Edited July 27, 2018 by JenE4

[hottesthw]

2 minutes ago, Sooner Smiles said:

I really didn’t like the way Ashley was implying Katherine had a problem with one of her drug tests. She made it sound like it was shady, but when Katherine said she was working and was having trouble getting there by 5:00, Ashley said well you better be glad they let you come late or it would have counted as a fail. Really, so Katherine is working at her job and Ashley would use that against her in regards to custody. That’s just not right. 

That's the courts ruling not Ashley's. And she's right, if you're so committed, you'd be there at 8am, on a lunchbreak, something. Not risking getting a fail by showing up with 5 minutes to spare. Ashley may be an asshole and saying some harsh stuff, but she's not wrong. Kathryn doesn't deserve the easy way out, and Ashely is reminding her of that. 

[RedDelicious]

It is NOT Ashley's place to address custody or anything else pertaining to the children, with Kathryn. Full stop. 

ETA: Ashley has no business addressing the drug testing or the myriad of details from the past either.

No one can shout this loud enough. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by RedDelicious

[BravoHo]

3 minutes ago, hottesthw said:

I don't understand all this Kathryn love all of a sudden and actually find it quite frustrating. It's not a rumor initiated by Thomas that Kathryn did put her children in harm's way at some point and as a result, lost custody of them. A judge started that "rumor" gang, not Ashley. So someone reminding you of that may seem harsh, but it's still makes you a shitty mom who lost custody of her kids!! I don't care how many drug tests she takes, when I look at Kathryn and look at those poor kids all I feel is disgust towards her. Those kids are going thru hell because of HER actions, no-one else. And I think taking a few bad words from some nutjob is NOTHING compared to what she's put those poor babies thru the last few years. I'm literally shocked at Cam's take on this whole thing as a new mom herself. 

I wonder, when Kathryn turned her phone off for those few days and was "missing", did she miss visits with her kids? And if it wasn't her day(s), did she call them, or did she ignore them too? Because if so, just proves again, she's far from being a "real" mom. I'm sick of Kathryn and her bullshit renewed self.  She can lecture Ashley all she wants but the world knows, if Thomas dumped her and professed his love for Kathryn and invited her to live in the mansion, her bags would be packed in 3.5 seconds.

Craig and Naomi are like kids sitting at the adult table during Thanksgiving. They belong together with their high school attitudes and pouting and outbursts. Go, please, don't come back.

This show is starting to annoy me. 

Maybe you weren’t paying attention, but in that episode they did state she picked the kids up from Thomas on time. So I guess now she’s a real mom. 

[gingerella]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

Ashley is just a foolish, foolish poor excuse for a person.  But these women are totally "mean girls" when it comes to Ashley.  I mean it's not like the woman committed murder.   And how did Katheryn become a saint just because she gave birth to two children.  All giving birth means is....you gave birth, doesn't make you a saint.  And Kathryn and Shep might as well get together, then they can have their own train wreck reality show!

Relation-Shep was a waste of time.  The guy doesn't want a committed relationship, so why push the man into one? 

Re:Ashley, come the fuck ON! Ashley is a straight up demented, psycho, fucking bitch. Any woman who weaponizes another woman’s children against her is less than the fetid goo underneath shit rotting on a curb on a hot summers day. I have zero fucks to give for that nasty twat.

[RedDelicious]

Amen.

Edited July 27, 2018 by RedDelicious

[Bronzedog]

2 minutes ago, gingerella said:

Re:Ashley, come the fuck ON! Ashley is a straight up demented, psycho, fucking bitch. Any woman who weaponizes another woman’s children against her is less than the fetid goo underneath shit rotting on a curb on a hot summers day. I have zero fucks to give for that nasty twat.

Tell us how you really feel!

[TexasGal]

Did Naomie (I think it was her encouraging the second toast) really think that Austen had come up with that toast himself?  C’mon.

Ashley is like a cartoon villain at this point.  She should be twirling her hair instead of pushing it around.  She must take some weird pleasure in it or else why would she show up?  (Rhetorical question)

I am not a fan of Kathryn and never have been, but I give her credit for having shown a lot of growth and positive change in her life.  She is certainly more deserving of being in her children’s lives than Ashley.

[Sooner Smiles]

I understand Katherine was a really bad person and an even worse mom. She did completely awful things that will affect those kids for the rest of their lives. However, going forward, the best thing that can happen is for her to stay healthy and to be in her children’s lives in a positive way. As long as she is doing what she is supposed to do and working on herself and her relationship with her kids then I’m rooting for her. For their sakes if nothing else. It’s not about ignoring her past  or thinking she’s a saint, but I can’t keep kicking someone for their past behavior when from all appearances they seem to be working so hard to do better. 

[BravoHo]

10 minutes ago, hottesthw said:

That's the courts ruling not Ashley's. And she's right, if you're so committed, you'd be there at 8am, on a lunchbreak, something. Not risking getting a fail by showing up with 5 minutes to spare. Ashley may be an asshole and saying some harsh stuff, but she's not wrong. Kathryn doesn't deserve the easy way out, and Ashely is reminding her of that. 

LET some twatwaffle who my ex has been dating/subsidizing/renting for about 10 seconds even think about getting involved in my business when it comes to my kids. She should have put on the brakes waybackwhen, and now Ashley deserves everything she’s getting. 

Also, per the court documents Thomas could request a drug test at any time, including the day of. Who knows what time that asshole requested the test? 

Edited July 27, 2018 by BravoHo

[hottesthw]

4 minutes ago, gingerella said:

Re:Ashley, come the fuck ON! Ashley is a straight up demented, psycho, fucking bitch. Any woman who weaponizes another woman’s children against her is less than the fetid goo underneath shit rotting on a curb on a hot summers day. I have zero fucks to give for that nasty twat.

I feel that way towards women who get fucked up while pregnant.

[snarts]

I'd sure like to see the results of Ashley's drug test.

[hottesthw]

11 minutes ago, BravoHo said:

Maybe you weren’t paying attention, but in that episode they did state she picked the kids up from Thomas on time. So I guess now she’s a real mom. 

I didn't see the whole episode, hence my comment/question. And to me, no, she has a long way to go before I think she's a good mom. I think it speaks volumes that all her new supporters ran around helpless thinking she fell off the wagon or killed herself while she was in "hiding". Maybe she's not really doing as well as she tries to make us believe.

Edited July 27, 2018 by hottesthw

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, BravoHo said:

LET some twatwaffle who my ex has been dating/subsidizing/renting for about 10 seconds even think about getting involved in my business when it comes to my kids. She should have put on the brakes waybackwhen, and now Ashley deserved everything she’s getting. 

Also, per the court documents Thomas could request a drug test at any time, including the day of. Who knows what time that asshole requested the test? 

It’s ridiculous that a guy who went to jail for drugs and has been accused of sexual assault by multiple women should have any say about when Kathryn is tested - seems like an example of rich white men’s club justice.

[CatMomma]

3 minutes ago, hottesthw said:

I didn't see the whole episode, hence my comment/question. And to me, no, she has a long way to go before I think she's a good mom. I think it speaks volumes that all her new supporters ran around helpless thinking she fell off the wagon or killed herself while she was in "hiding". Maybe she's not really doing as well as she tries to make us believe.

Court disagreed.  But,  what we see in a reality show certainly means more than a judge. 

[Toodleoo]

33 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I don't know.  I kind of felt sorry for Ashley in a way and I think Cameron was actually trying to help her.  She is a complete ass, but, she also seems scared to death of Thomas. I'll let myself out now.

 

At the very start I thought, "Dear lawd Ashley seems to be handling herself well, WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME." And then the castmates tried telling her that normal relationships don't involve food flingin' and self-blame for said food flingin' and it looked like she almost, almost was going to drop the wall and let people in.

Aaand then she went right back to being Omarosa the Second, Kathryn took her to town, I hated her again, and all was right with the world. 

 

That "I'm happy!" sobbing at the end was something else...woman, you are on a reality show, please serve yourself a plate of actual reality and chow down.

Edited July 27, 2018 by Toodleoo

[BravoHo]

2 minutes ago, hottesthw said:

I didn't see the whole episode, hence my comment/question. I think it speaks volumes that all her new supporters ran around helpless thinking she fell off the wagon or killed herself while she was in "hiding". Maybe she's not really doing as well as she tries to make us believe.

I don’t think so.. Shep is probably the closest to her, and he was pretty unconcerned. 

The “ Kathryn is not doing well/still on drugs” thing is getting so tiresome. She passed MULTIPLE DRUG TESTS. She has 50/50 custody. 

[Bronzedog]

I hate when slackers like Austen say things like he needs to follow his passion regarding employment.  In reality, Austen, the majority of people are not particularly passionate about their jobs.  That's why it's called work.

There is something so inherently wrong with Ashley she makes me sad.

[Duke2801]

2 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Ashley is just a foolish, foolish poor excuse for a person.  But these women are totally "mean girls" when it comes to Ashley.  I mean it's not like the woman committed murder.   And how did Katheryn become a saint just because she gave birth to two children.  All giving birth means is....you gave birth, doesn't make you a saint.  And Kathryn and Shep might as well get together, then they can have their own train wreck reality show!

Relation-Shep was a waste of time.  The guy doesn't want a committed relationship, so why push the man into one? 

Have you watched previous seasons? Nobody thought  Katherine was a “ saint” because she gave birth. She - and the others - have said multiple times that the other cast members, for the most part, treated her like a pariah for a number of years. Because she was doing shitty things. 

People are backing her and rooting for her NOW because she is trying to get her shit together and be a good mom. They see she is trying. 

And they probably sympathize that she has to deal with that psychotic string bean known as Ashley. Not to mention that misogynistic piece of shit ex for for basically the rest of HIS life (which thankfully will probably be much shorter than hers). 

37 minutes ago, hottesthw said:

I don't understand all this Kathryn love all of a sudden and actually find it quite frustrating. It's not a rumor initiated by Thomas that Kathryn did put her children in harm's way at some point and as a result, lost custody of them. A judge started that "rumor" gang, not Ashley. So someone reminding you of that may seem harsh, but it's still makes you a shitty mom who lost custody of her kids!! I don't care how many drug tests she takes, when I look at Kathryn and look at those poor kids all I feel is disgust towards her. Those kids are going thru hell because of HER actions, no-one else. And I think taking a few bad words from some nutjob is NOTHING compared to what she's put those poor babies thru the last few years. I'm literally shocked at Cam's take on this whole thing as a new mom herself. 

I wonder, when Kathryn turned her phone off for those few days and was "missing", did she miss visits with her kids? And if it wasn't her day(s), did she call them, or did she ignore them too? Because if so, just proves again, she's far from being a "real" mom. I'm sick of Kathryn and her bullshit renewed self.  She can lecture Ashley all she wants but the world knows, if Thomas dumped her and professed his love for Kathryn and invited her to live in the mansion, her bags would be packed in 3.5 seconds.

Craig and Naomi are like kids sitting at the adult table during Thanksgiving. They belong together with their high school attitudes and pouting and outbursts. Go, please, don't come back.

This show is starting to annoy me. 

It was stated on that episode that she did pick up her kids. 

29 minutes ago, gingerella said:

Re:Ashley, come the fuck ON! Ashley is a straight up demented, psycho, fucking bitch. Any woman who weaponizes another woman’s children against her is less than the fetid goo underneath shit rotting on a curb on a hot summers day. I have zero fucks to give for that nasty twat.

Preach! Karma has delivered any “mean girl” behavior that was presented to her. And I say “mean girl” in quotes because I actually think most of them were quite restrained in responding to her nonsense: 

When she was whining to the producer at the end about how hard it was to go out there and not have anybody support, I was hoping the producer would say “And what have you done to earn that support?” Because that’s what I was thinking. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by Duke2801

[Jextella]

Katherine is no saint, but I don't recall her ever saying she was.   It will be interesting to see where she goes in life.  I actually think she's pretty intelligent.  

[Bronzedog]

It was funny after Ashley was talking about how she and Thomas liked to scare each other in the shower, (really, WTF??), Shep said, "Bates Motel."

[ninjago]

Katherine looks like Ann Margaret at this reunion.

Ashley is terrible, and she absolutely should not be making comments about the kids or Katherine's parenting, but, Jesus, she seems totally mental and jittery and strung out.  Like, is she on crack?  She wasn't even making any sense.  Even Andy couldn't hide his disgust.

I loved Shep saying "I have no class.  None.  At all."

Edited July 27, 2018 by ninjago

[MinorL]

I’d take a recovering addict who is doing her best to get her life together over a trash person like Ashley every day and twice on Sunday. 

[TheFinalRose]

56 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

psychotic string bean known as Ashley.

Haha. This description is perfect. If I were Ashley's mom, I'd be on the red eye from LA to Charleston with a syringe and a net and haul my daughter back home. But I'd flush her cell phone down the toilet first before she got on a plane. Figure it would take two or three days for TRav to notice she wasn't picking up her phone, but by then at least I'd have my kid in my house and get the IV going in her to start some nutrients. 

I mean, the physical decline that I saw in Ashley's face is shocking. She was quite pretty a year ago but her looks are gone. That's what True Love, Thomas Ravenal style is all about. I hope Ashley makes it through the summer. 

[HunterHunted]

As much as the cast seems to dislike Ashley, I really feel like they were trying to clue her into how Thomas has possibly manipulated her. Unfortunately, Ashley is so far gone that she couldn't see it.

[psychoticstate]

Add me as another poster who is a bit confused about the Kathryn love.  If she's truly gotten herself and her life together, good on her.  But I don't find her particularly insightful or well developed so maybe that's why the praising confuses me.  Of course, this is Southern Charm so the bar is pretty low.  

I felt sorry for Ashley.  Yeah, what she said to Kathryn was wrong but that girl is an emotional victim of TRav.  She doesn't look healthy.  You could see the sadness all over her.  I really thought she was going to break at one point, when basically everyone was telling her what TRav was doing isn't normal and he had done the same thing to Kathryn.  I really think that may be why she wants to patch things up with Kathryn - - if they were friendly enough, she could compare notes, so to speak.  

Craig may be unmotivated but I will give him props that he seemed the most unbiased and balanced of them all when Ashley was out there.  He called her on what she said but also tried to explain to her that she didn't look well and how TRav was.  I guess those mediator skills do come in handy.  I still wish Gizmo had made a cameo appearance.

Naomie is a terrible person.  She admits that she was okay with spreading the rumor that Ashley was an escort because Ashley said bad things.  What?  That is NOT okay, Naomie.  I agree with @Neurochick - - the "ladies" on this show are a bunch of mean girls.  I'm not excusing Ashley's behavior but I think Andy (?) hit on something when he asked about her really going 0 to 60 in Hilton Head.  There was a reason for that and it's too bad we really didn't get it.  The Mean Girl Group can say they included Ashley in their group while in Hilton Head but they really did not.  They rolled their eyes, talked about her behind her back - - and with her right there -- , made fun of her for her inexperience with horseback riding and then griped about having to go back early.  Again with her right there.  They basically ignored her.  I've been in that situation before, coming in to an established group, and being iced out.  It's no fun.  I'm guessing that, combined with the problems she was already having with Kathryn, led her to that horrible blow up.  

Anyway, the best thing she could do is get away from Thomas.

So Shep sleeps with 4-6 women a week and doesn't always wrap it up?  Ugh.  That's just gross and, in this day and age, completely irresponsible.  Why does he dick around the question about commitment?  Why doesn't he just admit that he has zero interest in being monogamous and prefers to be whoring it up around Charleston?  

[ninjago]

7 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

As much as the cast seems to dislike Ashley, I really feel like they were trying to clue her into how Thomas has possibly manipulated her. Unfortunately, Ashley is so far gone that she couldn't see it.

Chelsea, Cameran and Craig, probably the three most kind-hearted cast members, all implied he is abusive towards her.  

The stuff Ashley says to defend him is like out of an afterschool special they are so heavily delusional.

Edited July 27, 2018 by ninjago

[psychoticstate]

8 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

As much as the cast seems to dislike Ashley, I really feel like they were trying to clue her into how Thomas has possibly manipulated her. Unfortunately, Ashley is so far gone that she couldn't see it.

I think she's emotionally battered by Thomas.  She defends him and blames herself for his behavior.  She's probably also codependent.  She moved cross country to be with him and she seemed pretty isolated, from what we saw, in Charleston.  She wasn't working then and seemed to have no life other than Thomas.  It would have been pretty easy for him to manipulate her, get her dependent on him and keep her off balance by being attentive, romantic Thomas one moment and then moody, volatile, threatening to walk out and/or cheat Thomas the next.  He clearly enjoyed the drama.  He was telling "the guys" one thing and Ashley something else.  All the while trying to slime his way back to Kathryn.  

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

It was funny after Ashley was talking about how she and Thomas liked to scare each other in the shower, (really, WTF??), Shep said, "Bates Motel."

Shep's comments and reactions were everything in this part of the reunion. They were many subtle variations of "good luck with that crazy."

[izabella]

3 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

So Shep sleeps with 4-6 women a week and doesn't always wrap it up?  Ugh.  That's just gross and, in this day and age, completely irresponsible.  Why does he dick around the question about commitment?  Why doesn't he just admit that he has zero interest in being monogamous and prefers to be whoring it up around Charleston?  

Charleston sounds like a potential hotbed of STD's if so many people are having sex without condoms.  "If I know her" is not a valid reason to  skip the condom, Shep. 

[scrb]

Seemed like Bravo and the cast were burning bridges with Thomas, even if Bravo hasn’t publicly announced that he’s gone.

Everyone made him out to be the villain, apart from his current legal troubles.

Shep said at one point that he want going to be happy when he watches the reunion.

OTOH, he flamed Pat, just as he flamed Cam between earlier seasons and they ignored it when filming the next season.

Maybe Andy told them Thomas wasn’t likely to be back and the cast was more open about blaming him for what happened with Kathryn and Ashley.  

But the notion that Kathryn was completely the victim is a bit of revisionism.

[yourmomiseasy]

I'm so sick of "you should never say that to a mother" and "that's no way to talk to a woman" etc.  How about just that's no way to talk to another person?  There's nothing magical about being a woman or spitting out a kid that means people should talk to you differently.

[SuprSuprElevated]

I thought I detected a level of animus from Andy toward Ashley.  I wouldn't think that would bode well for any future she may have been hoping for on Bravo TV.  Hopefully, like Cameran strongly suggested, she'll wise up and move back to California before the wheels completely fall off of the wagon that she has hitched to the Thomas horse.

btw - Her attempt at downplaying the Ravenel fortune by implying that it was nothing compared to the money in Montecito, California was...desperate.  I don't know what the Ravenel's are worth, but even if it's true, it was a wretched thing to say.  And desperate.

Edited July 27, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[IDreamofJoaquin]

Ashley didn't want to use Thomas' credit card but she did and she wanted to take the clothes back but she didn't.  LOL

Shep's faces when Ashley was saying she had a conscious and other remarkable things about herself was everything.  

I am unclear why Ashley went on just to be totally reamed.  BUT I LOVED IT.  I loved that everyone hated her, even Andy.  I loved how uncomfortable Ashley looked when Kathryn was describing her talk with Patricia.  Even though the cast was talking about how abusive Thomas is they have had no problems turning the other cheek towards it for what I am assuming is years since some of them have been friends for a lot longer than the show has been on.  

Cam asking innocently about threesomes "do people really do that"?  Girl, you hosted Girls Gone Wild don't act like you don't know.

I agree with all the sentiments that Kathryn is trying to get her shit together and do right by her kids and herself so she is getting a second chance.  

[SuprSuprElevated]

2 minutes ago, IDreamofJoaquin said:

Ashley didn't want to use Thomas' credit card but she did and she wanted to take the clothes back but she didn't.  LOL

That was maddeningly disingenuous.

[pasdetrois]

It's clear everyone is trying to save the show with the Ashley/Kathryn script and Kathryn's redemption arc. With Thomas probably gone, and presumably Ashley, where will the drama come from? That's what pulls in viewers.

[RedDelicious]

2 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I'm so sick of "you should never say that to a mother" and "that's no way to talk to a woman" etc.  How about just that's no way to talk to another person?  There's nothing magical about being a woman or spitting out a kid that means people should talk to you differently.

I feel the same way about women who call themselves "girl boss" or "boss babe".  How 'bout you just call yourself a boss because that's what you are?

Edited July 27, 2018 by RedDelicious

[Lizzing]

I was expecting Shep to be in Naomie's lap by the time the Ashley segment ended...he kept inching away from Ashley as the show went on.

I have a new appreciation for Chelsea for taking in an abused dog and him being such a sweet, social dog now (from what we've seen of him).

In the end, the reunion was kinda disappointing.  It'd been hyped as the craziest, most volatile reunion of all reunions, and it really wasn't.  Sure, Ashley was nuts (but we knew that), Craig couldn't take responsibility (also knew that), and there were some tears (not like THAT hasn't happened before), so while I didn't think it was a huge waste of time to watch, it sure as hell wasn't what Andy et al promised.

[pasdetrois]

The reunion was insipid because the old formula is gone. The only thing that held my attention was that adorable dog.

[wallies]

The reunion was  a 1/2 hour longer than it needed to be.

Edited July 27, 2018 by wallies
typo

[Heathrowe]

46 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

It's clear everyone is trying to save the show with the Ashley/Kathryn script and Kathryn's redemption arc. With Thomas probably gone, and presumably Ashley, where will the drama come from? That's what pulls in viewers.

I think they will have to bring in a new character. I had remarked in the Thomas forum that he is not the only rich a-hole in Charleston, so I'm sure they can easily find another to bring some drama. Also, they laid the groundwork for Shep and Kathryn to have some kind of romance next season (real or fake) and that could be interesting.  If Whitney is the producer, and he and Pat are now not speaking with Ashley and TRav over the Luzanne Otte situation, I don't see how Ashley/TRav will return.  That said, even though the drama stirs people up-Southern Charm is fun because it is light.

Basically-this reunion.....a win for Kathryn just because she kept her shit together. To all the posters who keep asking why she is being sainted or held up as some kind of paragon-I am going to say because many of us-mothers or not-realize that she has showed a tremendous amount of restraint by not getting down in the dirt with Ashley.  And that is growth from prior seasons. That many of us would not be able take the kind of crap that she has taken from Ashley (and Thomas) and keep getting drug tested and keep fighting for her kids and not fall off the wagon. I have a lot of compassion for her. And the more I watch the series, the more I see a disturbing power imbalance between what was a 21 year old girl and a wealthy, well connected 50 year old man. Did she drink and do drugs, yes. Did she do it while pregnant? Seems to be unproven though posters keep saying she did and referencing dark video that then just shows drunk Thomas?  I think Kathryn's sober and when she's not being manipulated by Thomas seems able to move past her old behaviors.

Cast members tried to tell Ashley earlier in the season that she needed to think twice about everything Thomas told her about Kathryn. But she just kept flinging dirt. Thomas, over and over again-same with Landon-sets up two women to fight over him and then just sits back and gets drunk. Landon twigged onto it at the end of last season. I am not sure if Kathryn has really figured it out yet. Ashley refuses to believe it. I also have some compassion for Ashley as it is pretty clear she is in an abusive relationship but...she also seems to be not a healthy person, emotionally, mentally, or physically. A lot of her statements on the reunion were just delusional.

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3 hours ago, IDreamofJoaquin said:

  

I am unclear why Ashley went on just to be totally reamed.  BUT I LOVED IT.  I loved that everyone hated her, even Andy.  I loved how uncomfortable Ashley looked when Kathryn was describing her talk with Patricia.  Even though the cast was talking about how abusive Thomas is they have had no problems turning the other cheek towards it for what I am assuming is years since some of them have been friends for a lot longer than the show has been on.  

Cam asking innocently about threesomes "do people really do that"?  Girl, you hosted Girls Gone Wild don't act like you don't know.

I agree with all the sentiments that Kathryn is trying to get her shit together and do right by her kids and herself so she is getting a second chance.  

I think Ashley went on because Thomas wasn't there.  Not sure if Bravo encouraged her to do so but I'd be willing to be that Thomas did, so that someone could attempt to get his side of the story out. 

I personally did not enjoy seeing the hatred from other cast members.  It's like watching a drunk and sloppy Dorinda on RHONY.  It's uncomfortable and not entertaining.   I find it amazing, for lack of better word, that the SC-ers seem to have forgotten that Kathryn was in Ashley's hot seat not that long ago and are now happily piling up on Ashley, Kathryn included.  Did Ashley say some awful things?  Yeah, she did.  Did she do some bad or ill-advised things?  Yeah, she did.  But let's not forget that Kathryn said and did some terrible things as well.  What do they have in common?  Thomas.  

I'd be curious to know what Ashley was like pre-Thomas.  We know she looked pretty and healthy.  Since Kathryn and Shep, I think, alluded to depression and heavy drinking and drug use being connected, I really wish Andy had pushed on that.  Ashley is clearly depressed and that's exactly what could be or could have been happening to her. 

13 minutes ago, Heathrowe said:

I think they will have to bring in a new character. I had remarked in the Thomas forum that he is not the only rich a-hole in Charleston, so I'm sure they can easily find another to bring some drama. Also, they laid the groundwork for Shep and Kathryn to have some kind of romance next season (real or fake) and that could be interesting.  If Whitney is the producer, and he and Pat are now not speaking with Ashley and TRav over the Luzanne Otte situation, I don't see how Ashley/TRav will return.  That said, even though the drama stirs people up-Southern Charm is fun because it is light.

Basically-this reunion.....a win for Kathryn just because she kept her shit together. To all the posters who keep asking why she is being sainted or held up as some kind of paragon-I am going to say because many of us-mothers or not-realize that she has showed a tremendous amount of restraint by not getting down in the dirt with Ashley.  And that is growth from prior seasons. That many of us would not be able take the kind of crap that she has taken from Ashley (and Thomas) and keep getting drug tested and keep fighting for her kids and not fall off the wagon. I have a lot of compassion for her. And the more I watch the series, the more I see a disturbing power imbalance between what was a 21 year old girl and a wealthy, well connected 50 year old man. Did she drink and do drugs, yes. Did she do it while pregnant? Seems to be unproven though posters keep saying she did and referencing dark video that then just shows drunk Thomas?  I think Kathryn's sober and when she's not being manipulated by Thomas seems able to move past her old behaviors.

Cast members tried to tell Ashley earlier in the season that she needed to think twice about everything Thomas told her about Kathryn. But she just kept flinging dirt. Thomas, over and over again-same with Landon-sets up two women to fight over him and then just sits back and gets drunk. Landon twigged onto it at the end of last season. I am not sure if Kathryn has really figured it out yet. Ashley refuses to believe it. I also have some compassion for Ashley as it is pretty clear she is in an abusive relationship but...she also seems to be not a healthy person, emotionally, mentally, or physically. A lot of her statements on the reunion were just delusional.

Without the Kathryn-TRav drama, what does Southern Charm have?  I tried SC Savannah but found it dull and boring, mostly because they didn't have a Kathryn-TRav situation.  

I agree that Kathryn came out the winner in the reunion.  It seemed to be all about her.  I would say Chelsea came off pretty well too but the others . . . maybe not so much.  Cam is always Cam.  Not a whole lot revealed or said.  

While other cast members tried to warn Ashley about Thomas earlier in the season, is it really that surprising she didn't listen?  She had Thomas' side of the story, and only his side of the story, for quite a while before she joined the show.  If she trusted him, she believed what he was telling her.  Knowing people like him, he probably warned her that the other cast members would attempt to break them up and tell her things about him.  And of course they would be untrue!  I was with someone like Thomas.  I know how they operate.  My ex told me stuff about his ex that I believed.  I believed it for YEARS before I learned the truth.  And like Ashley, I would rationalize bad behavior and even blame myself.  I wasn't happy but I was so mindfucked that I felt this was the way it was because I loved him.  Yeah.  Therapy.  It can be your friend, Ashley.

Like I said above, I'd like to hear how Ashley was before Thomas.  It's possible that she's not healthy now solely due to Thomas.  For people like him, it doesn't take long to break someone else down.  Kathryn should know.  And while I get that Kathryn is pissed because of what Ashley said to her, she should have at least a little bit of sympathy for her and maybe realize those statements started with Thomas.  

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10 hours ago, Neurochick said:

A lot of their anger at Ashley was really anger at Thomas, but Thomas wans't there, so they took it out on Ashley, which wasn't okay because I think all of them leave a lot to be desired. 

Why is it bad that Ashley called Kathryn a "baby mama" when that's what she is?  I mean when folks watch a show like "Love and Hip Hop" and there's some woman who has a baby with a rapper or baller, they call her a "baby mama."  And you probably wouldn't see a young, wealthy guy like Shep be interested in her....hmmmm, wonder why.

And I still think Naomie is a horrible, horrible person and I have no idea why she's on this show.

She called and said other things to Kathryn other than baby mama :/ She completely denounced Kathryn as a mother, she referred to her as being 'just an egg donor' and spit on the notion that Kathryn, Thomas and their children were a family. It's not conventional but they are a family in the eyes of their children and that is what has motivated them to respectfully co-parent with one another. Ashley has been the one instigating with Kathryn all season long and it's not like she's just some random friend in the group - she is the partner to the father of Kathryn's children and anyone would a lick of sense and consideration for the children of their partner would at least attempt to have a cordial relationship with the mother.

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2 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

She called and said other things to Kathryn other than baby mama :/ She completely denounced Kathryn as a mother, she referred to her as being 'just an egg donor' and spit on the notion that Kathryn, Thomas and their children were a family. It's not conventional but they are a family in the eyes of their children and that is what has motivated them to respectfully co-parent with one another. Ashley has been the one instigating with Kathryn all season long and it's not like she's just some random friend in the group - she is the partner to the father of Kathryn's children and anyone would a lick of sense and consideration for the children of their partner would at least attempt to have a cordial relationship with the mother.

Yes, but for quite a while, Kathryn did act exactly like an egg donor.  She was not a good mother to her children.  Now, having said that, I'm glad that she has gotten her life together and is involved with her kids.

Should Ashley have said those things?  No.  Where did she get her information?  Thomas.  Who should have taken her to task over her behavior?  Thomas.  He didn't really seem to do that.  Yes, Ashley is an adult and responsible for what she said but again, she got her information from HIM.  They are both responsible.

From the start, the "girls" sided against Ashley.  I understand it, to a degree, because they probably felt they were "protecting" Kathryn against Thomas' new girlfriend.  But they never gave Ashley a chance.  They judged her and criticized her before she even opened her mouth.  I get the girl talk behind closed doors but in public, they really should have acted like adults.  All of them. 

Damn this show for making me defend Ashley.

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I thought this was a pretty lackluster reunion, and maybe that's for the best. I think it had been hyped up to have more craaaaazy Ashley fireworks than we actually saw.

While I'm glad she's ramped up to 50/50 custody, I can imagine that the 50% of the time the children are out of her custody it's nerve-wracking. At least from what I can imagine, a cornered Thomas and an on-the-verge-of-completely-breaking Ashley is a dangerous situation that's also not legally actionable. It has to be hell to wonder what those kids are exposed to all those days and nights that they're away.