S07.E00: Reunion Part Two

[poeticlicensed]

19 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Every person on that stage was delusional. I do think Jen is slightly less delusional than the others but she’s also the Queen enabler so she’s not able to be the one to get the rest to face the facts and wants to deny them

I have often wondered why Jen and Larry don't actively try to discourage Ryan from participating in the show. I think that Jen might delude herself into thinking that being on the show might be helpful for Ryan, but I also think that she and Larry know that Ryan is not capable of supporting himself, so the TM money is  the only money he will make. 

I too am astounded at the number of bipolar diagnoses on this show, given that the NIMH estimates that the percentage of adults in the US who have been diagnosed is less than 3%. My niece was an opioid and then heroin addict and my sister was in denial for a very long time, so what she did was to take her to doctors who would diagnose her as bipolar, because I think she felt that it was socially acceptable to say that bipolar was triggering drug use. I think some of this group do the same. They have substance abuse issues, but if you say well I'm bipolar, in their minds that makes it socially acceptable

Edited April 25, 2018 by poeticlicensed

[lezlers]

On ‎4‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 6:13 AM, Chickabiddy said:

Maybe so, but that it was the very first thing and only thing she said about her sister makes me err on the side of narcissism. She could have said, "Nova is so fun and we look alike!" 

But no, it was all about how Nova looked like her. Me me me. She is def Cate's daughter.

 

 

You know she's THREE, right?  All toddlers are narcissists.  They are walking, talking, breathing little IDs.  And yes, they love anyone who resembles them.  It's completely normal developmentally, it's not some sort of disorder.  

[Chickabiddy]

31 minutes ago, lezlers said:

You know she's THREE, right?  All toddlers are narcissists.  They are walking, talking, breathing little IDs.  And yes, they love anyone who resembles them.  It's completely normal developmentally, it's not some sort of disorder.

Wow, Lezlers, thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I had no idea.  What would I do without you?  ;-) 

Yes, I have raised children, and yes, they are all ids. But, it was my opinion that the story, as related by Cate, seemed a bit extreme. One can be described as a  narcissist without having a diagnosed personality disorder. There are loads of articles and discussion about generic narcissism vs  NPD. 

 I never claimed she was disordered - only that narcissism runs deep in her biological family.  Clearly, your mileage varies, but that is the beauty of a message board. 

Maybe read my initial post more carefully before being so quick to jump in with the snark. ;-) 

Edited April 25, 2018 by Chickabiddy
Because I just can't leave things alone, sometimes.

[Kazu]

1 hour ago, Chickabiddy said:

Yes, I have raised children, and yes, they are all ids. But, it was my opinion that the story, as related by Cate, seemed a bit extreme. One can be described as a  narcissist without having a diagnosed personality disorder. There are loads of articles and discussion about generic narcissism vs  NPD. 

 

 

 

Cate does have a habit of taking things to the extreme. It is one end of the spectrum or the other. Nothing falls in between. Tyler and Cate will have us believe Carly calls Tyler "dad" and whatever else fits their narrative. I agree that Cate has some narcissism going on with her. She is extremely self-centered. Everything is about HER and how SHE feels. Cate has also pushed this whole thing with Nova where she reminds her how she and Carly are sisters. That is done for the benefit of Cate, not Nova. I take what Cate says with a grain of salt. Credibility is sorely lacking.

@gunderda thanks for clearing that information up for me. I had figured it out as I read the posts after mine. Being on the west coast, I had not watched the episode yet and therefore, misunderstood the post about Nova. :-)

Edited April 25, 2018 by Kazu

[Rebecca]

3 hours ago, lezlers said:

You know she's THREE, right?  All toddlers are narcissists.  They are walking, talking, breathing little IDs.  And yes, they love anyone who resembles them.  It's completely normal developmentally, it's not some sort of disorder.  

Carly isn’t 3? CARLY is the one who said NOVA looked like CARLY, according to Catelynn. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with CARLY saying that either but people keep getting confused about who said it. And the person you quoted had it right originally by saying that CARLY said it, not NOVA. So being 3 has nothing to do with anything anyway because Carly is about 8-9.

2 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

Wow, Lezlers, thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I had no idea.  What would I do without you?  ;-) 

Yes, I have raised children, and yes, they are all ids. But, it was my opinion that the story, as related by Cate, seemed a bit extreme. One can be described as a  narcissist without having a diagnosed personality disorder. There are loads of articles and discussion about generic narcissism vs  NPD. 

 I never claimed she was disordered - only that narcissism runs deep in her biological family.  Clearly, your mileage varies, but that is the beauty of a message board. 

Maybe read my initial post more carefully before being so quick to jump in with the snark. ;-) 

 

But it sounded like you were referring to CARLY saying that, not NOVA in your original post anyway, weren’t you? CARLY is the one who supposedly made the comment according to Catelynn. I can see why an adopted kid of 8-9 would like the fact they now had a blood “sibling” that looks like them. I don’t really see it as narcissism. She doesn’t have any other “siblings” that are genetically related and “look like her” (isn’t Carly’s brother Hispanic?) so I can see why that would be exciting.

Edited April 25, 2018 by Rebecca

[Chickabiddy]

3 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Carly isn’t 3? CARLY is the one who said NOVA looked like CARLY, according to Catelynn. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with CARLY saying that either but people keep getting confused about who said it. And the person you quoted had it right by saying that CARLY said it, not NOVA. So being 3 has nothing to do with anything anyway because Carly is about 8-9.

But you were referring to CARLY saying that, not NOVA so...

Nice catch on the ages! I missed the trees through the snark.  ;-) 

True. Carly is the one who said it and Carly is like 8 or 9.  Meaning that she should be a little more in control of her id at that age. ;-) 

And since she is the biological child of Cate and grandchild of April, two fabulous narcissists,  she may well be on the path to that as well...(not necessarily NPD). Nurture vs. nature can only do so much.  As I posted previously, it would be really interesting to see how Carly turns out vis a vis Nova in 20 years. Why not twins, they are full sibs, and it would be compelling to see the differences and similarities the two may share after having such radically different upbringings. 

And, yes, Cate may have made up the story. But that is the problem with these 'reality" shows. So much of it is smoke and mirrors. They are all contrived and scripted. We don't know what these cats are really like when they are home alone and the cameras are gone. What's that argument in sociology about the very act of observing animals in nature or people in their habitats interferes with their natural behaviors.  So really all of our comments about what we observe on the TV or what people post on social media are probably based on 90% bullshit. 

[Rebecca]

@Chickabiddy I’m super interested in seeing what becomes of Nova’s life vs Carly’s life as well.

To go along with my unused BA in psychology, I also have one in sociology so it’s fascinating to me and studies like this are hard to come by for ethical reasons. It will be a really interesting look into nature vs nurture. I’m assuming we will be able to, in some way, see part of what Nova does with her life. Carly may fade away into obscurity, which would be great for her but selfishly I want to be able to see what she does with her life as well. In any case I don’t see her running to C&T like they seem to expect. I think Carly and Nova will probably maintain a relationship in adulthood,  especially if Nova manages to avoid many/most of the bad behavior and horrendous lack of healthy coping skills of her family members.

It’s kinda assumed that Carly will be a success and that Nova will have some setbacks but maybe Nova will look around at the all the people in her life and think, the hell I’m going to be like them! And break away and be more successful and happier than her entire family. On the other hand Carly could get in with the “wrong crowd” and end up trying drugs and then have a full blown addiction due to her genetics. We really have no idea. I hope they both are much more successful at, well, living and healthier than their biological parents and grandparents.

Edited April 25, 2018 by Rebecca

[AirQuotes]

We got the story from Cate that Carly supposedly said that about Nova looking like her.  Cate is delusional and makes things up; especially when it comes to Carly fantasies.  I would have to hear Carly say that for me to buy it.

[lezlers]

Normally I'd apologize for misreading a post, but I'm going to be petty after the out of proportion reaction I got.   Three or nine, I really don't think a child commenting that their biological sibling with whom they don't have any sort of regular contact with looks like them is worthy of snark or insults.  *shrug* Just my opinion though.

[AirQuotes]

12 minutes ago, lezlers said:

Normally I'd apologize for misreading a post, but I'm going to be petty after the out of proportion reaction I got.   Three or nine, I really don't think a child commenting that their biological sibling with whom they don't have any sort of regular contact with looks like them is worthy of snark or insults.  *shrug* Just my opinion though.

I agree with you.  If Carly did say it its fine, but I would need to hear it with my own ears to believe it.  Cate is delusional when it comes to Carly.  

I've mentioned before I was adopted at birth, and it never occurred to me that I didn't look my family.  I didn't care then and I don't care now.  lol

[ghoulina]

22 hours ago, TresGatos said:

I wonder if he would be interested in doing an Ancestry DNA test to see if it shakes loose any paternal relatives? On the other hand, judging by his mom, you might not want to associate with what falls from that particular tree.

That's a thought. I don't know that much about those things; but is it possible, even if he never found out who his dad was, that it would at least show him the medical information he's after? 

5 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

I have often wondered why Jen and Larry don't actively try to discourage Ryan from participating in the show. I think that Jen might delude herself into thinking that being on the show might be helpful for Ryan, but I also think that she and Larry know that Ryan is not capable of supporting himself, so the TM money is  the only money he will make. 

Larry straight up said something this season about Ryan making a difference by being on the show and if he can "reach just one person". I rolled my eyes so hard they nearly fell out of my head. That's why he's worse than Jenn, IMO. She doesn't do shit, but she also knows when to keep her mouth shut. 

Edited April 25, 2018 by ghoulina

[Brooklynista]

1 hour ago, AirQuotes said:

We got the story from Cate that Carly supposedly said that about Nova looking like her.  Cate is delusional and makes things up; especially when it comes to Carly fantasies.  I would have to hear Carly say that for me to buy it.

Right.  This is the same couple that said Carly called Tyler "daddy" when nobody else was around to hear, witness or validate. 

Receipts or it didn't happen.

Edited April 25, 2018 by Brooklynista

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, AirQuotes said:

We got the story from Cate that Carly supposedly said that about Nova looking like her.  Cate is delusional and makes things up; especially when it comes to Carly fantasies.  I would have to hear Carly say that for me to buy it.

Exactly. We saw how they twisted the "daddy" thing around. 

If Carly DID say it, though, I don't think that it's that big of a deal. I don't think it means she's a narcissist like Cate. I think it sounds pretty typical for an adopted child. AND......maybe they DO look a lot alike. 

[FairyDusted]

From what little we have seen of Carly I do think little Nova looks very much like her. I only brought it up because I wondered what Brandon and Teresa thought about that little exchange. 

[Mothra]

2 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

True. Carly is the one who said it and Carly is like 8 or 9.  Meaning that she should be a little more in control of her id at that age. ;-) 

Well, actually, it's Cate who said Carly said that.   I'm not convinced that the words were spoken, as reported anyway, by either child.  It's possible that someone, probably Cate, said "They look so much alike, don't you, Carly?"

The main thing--and there were many things--that most pissed me off was when Kristina apologized to Amber (for what, exactly, I'm not sure).  It was a good, non-weaselly apology, "I'm sorry I hurt your feelings" or some such.  Amber had to be nudged by Dr. Pinsky to apologize (when she had so much more to apologize for; Kristina's "crime" had been to voice an unflattering opinion about Amber; Amber had promulgated flat-out wrong *factual* information about Kristina's parental rights.  Some might call them lies.  And didn't anyone--and we know Dr. Pinsky doesn't watch the show, which I think should be in his contract to do--tell Numatt to apologize because there was no mention of his snide comments about how Gary and Kristina were probably bad-mouthing Amber in front of Leah.  Not only a lie, but actionable imo.

Farrah and her simpering mother:  fuck them.

[kicksave]

19 hours ago, woodscommaelle said:

My mom told me she thought Mackenzie had a striking appearance. Like, in a positive way. Whaaaa? I said 'that's a 40 year old soccer mom you're looking at.' (Not that soccer moms look bad. Just her).

She looks way older than she is...when she puts those curly extensions in it just make her look fake. She just has the most sour personality...very unlikable.

[Marisagf]

19 hours ago, happykitteh said:

 

It would be the so incredibly awesome to see either one of these strong, no nonsense women go after these lazy, whiney entitled bitches! 

Sharon Osborne should host these things.  Remember when she hosted that "Charm School" show?

[Marisagf]

I finally watched this week's episode.  

STFU, Mac Truck!!  She is the worst!!!!!  I loved how she was one beat away from walking off.  Don't pretend to be so insulted by Dr. Drew!  I can't with her.

And no one should be surprised when Ryan ODs.  Sorry, that guy is not serious about his recovery. Although they are enablers, I feel sorry for his parents.  Mac Truck can go pound sand!

[Kazu]

2 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

We got the story from Cate that Carly supposedly said that about Nova looking like her.  Cate is delusional and makes things up; especially when it comes to Carly fantasies.  I would have to hear Carly say that for me to buy it.

So true. It is why I don't believe the pregnancy or miscarriage story. I would have had to watch Cate piss on a stick and have the camera focus on that stick the entire time to show me that she was pregnant. Gross, I know.  And even then, I still wouldn't believe it because she had just supposedly removed her Mirena and so, there was a possibility of a false-positive test. It would take a lot more to convince me this delusional broad was ever pregnant and suffered a miscarriage. Sorry, it sounds cruel, but it is what it is and when someone has shown me who they are, I believe them. Cate has shown time and time again her version of the truth is questionable.

1 hour ago, Brooklynista said:

Right.  This is the same couple that said Carly called Tyler "daddy" when nobody else was around to hear, witness or validate. 

Receipts or it didn't happen.

Exactly.

[DangerousMinds]

I was also adopted at birth, and have never been concerned about finding people who "look like me." Never.

[druzy]

2 hours ago, Kazu said:

So true. It is why I don't believe the pregnancy or miscarriage story. I would have had to watch Cate piss on a stick and have the camera focus on that stick the entire time to show me that she was pregnant. Gross, I know.  And even then, I still wouldn't believe it because she had just supposedly removed her Mirena and so, there was a possibility of a false-positive test. It would take a lot more to convince me this delusional broad was ever pregnant and suffered a miscarriage. Sorry, it sounds cruel, but it is what it is and when someone has shown me who they are, I believe them. Cate has shown time and time again her version of the truth is questionable.

It doesn't sound cruel. Cate's a liar. I don't believe she had a miscarriage. I think she felt Tyler pulling away and she needed a storyline and sympathy.

Cate claimed to be suicidal because of the miscarriage so she could go back to the spa. Clearly the crew didn't believe she was suicidal or they would have called 911. Instead they drove her to the airport. 

Bottom line- I question every statement Cate makes. 

[Jennifersdc]

I still haven’t watched either. Still on fence with TM2 - but will continue to enjoy the posts here! Still trying to get through these!

WTF is Farrah talking about with her LGBT BS? I guess she thinks nobody saw the clip from Celebrity Big Brother UK when she talked some pretty homophobic shit to the poor gay guy at a “tea party”. Sure Farrah...

[Rebecca]

Well, anecdotally I had a friend in elementary school who was adopted and DID have concerns about not looking like her family. They were all olive skinned and dark haired and she was very fair with freckles and red hair. She would get upset when people didn’t realize they were her parents and sister and instead assumed that I, or another friend, was in her family and she was the visiting friend. It happened more than once. So I guess some adopted kids do care and IF Carly even said what Catelynn described, she might be one of them. ??‍♀️ I just don't understand the thinking that it somehow makes her a narcissist. If the convo even happened I’m not sure what Carly, who will see Nova maybe once a year, would even otherwise have to say in response to the question about what she likes about “having a sister.” Because for all intents and purposes, at this stage, Nova isn’t actually a sister to her in the traditional sense. All she knows is that this little girl (Nova) has the same biological parents as her and thus looks like her. 

[woodscommaelle]

5 hours ago, Marisagf said:

I finally watched this week's episode.  

STFU, Mac Truck!!  She is the worst!!!!!  I loved how she was one beat away from walking off.  Don't pretend to be so insulted by Dr. Drew!  I can't with her.

Poor thing looked at Ryan expecting some type of support. Is she new here? That kid does not give a single single fuck about anything.

[Kazu]

5 hours ago, druzy said:

It doesn't sound cruel. Cate's a liar. I don't believe she had a miscarriage. I think she felt Tyler pulling away and she needed a storyline and sympathy.

Cate claimed to be suicidal because of the miscarriage so she could go back to the spa. Clearly the crew didn't believe she was suicidal or they would have called 911. Instead they drove her to the airport. 

Bottom line- I question every statement Cate makes. 

There was a time I didn't question Cate. Those days are over.

I am floored that no one thought of calling 911. I guess even MTV production didn't believe Cate's suicidal claims. Or they knew calling 911 would get Cate put in a local holding facility and they would not get any footage.

Wasn't Cate tweeting about her late Delta flight to Arizona?

[Calm81]

I really don’t see what Gary and Kristina’s affair had to do with the show. It happened off air and nothing related to the original show about teen moms. I’m also pissed that Dr. Drew made Kristina feel like she had to apologize when all she did was defend herself!!!! She shouldn’t have to share her court documents on social media about unrelated information because Amber was deflecting from being called out for being a shitty mom; which was the truth.

Amber and her fanning of her hands for tissues to cry was gag worthy. Fuck her. I’m sooooo sick of the “they want me to feel bad about being depressed!!!” You’re a MOM, moms don’t get to checkout from parental responsibility for YEARS due to depression then humiliate the people that are raising her precious bewbew.

Why would you choose to have another baby if you feel your depression is too much to see a 9 year old child????? That baby is going to neeeeeeed you for a lot more things than Leah will need at nine, and god forbid James is born with a health condition or disability requiring EXTRA attention.

I fear for that baby. I would be more compassionate towards her for not seeing Leah due to her depression if she didn’t get pregnant AGAIN knowing how bed bound she is now. She’s on a show about bad choices and how to learn to protect yourself from pregnancy and she gets knocked up - these bitches haven’t learned a damn thing with the message of safe sex stamped on their employment check!!!!

I loved how Tylers bipolar diagnosis was quickly mentioned and the subject was changed back to poor Catelynn. If she mentions “I’m just going to off myself” another time while simultaneously playing on social media and leaving rehab for reunions shows I’m going to get stabby.

Her tears no longer bring out anymore empathy from me. Tyler has my sympathy. He can’t seem to get anyone to care about his situation. It’s all about Cate. He looked like crap during that reunion. All over the place, jittery and looking like he needs a rehab visit for himself.

I don’t give a fuck about Darl. Sorry. I haven’t liked butch since he beat up April and got into Teennager catelynnes face about her adoption choice, so I’m not on board with the love for butch. He was a piece of shit father that plopped all of the parental responsibility onto Kim and April’s lap and did his own thing and is STILL getting special attention for his addictions. What about Kim???? Her pain and struggle raising kids alone then to watch butch get all of the attention. Fuck Butch.

I’m in a real bitchy mood. I just hate all of these people. I used to have a couple favorites but now I hate them all. Except for Jen and the kids. 

Speaking of Jen, she hates Mack and Mack knows it. Mack is trying to destroy all of their relationship with maci out of jealousy and it’s not working, instead, it’s making them hate Mack. Mack is getting too high on herself these days. Her attitude has totally changed.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

19 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

I agree with you.  If Carly did say it its fine, but I would need to hear it with my own ears to believe it.  Cate is delusional when it comes to Carly.  

I've mentioned before I was adopted at birth, and it never occurred to me that I didn't look my family.  I didn't care then and I don't care now.  lol

Isn't that the truth?  Tyler is, as well.  I can't believe the two of them honestly think that if they don't get to see Carly at least once a year for however long they want, she will rebel against her parents and move in with Cate and Tyler when she is 18.  I'm sure we have all had those moments when we were children and mad at our parents and we found ourselves daydreaming that it would come out we were adopted and our real parents were going to come take us away from the mean parents who were disciplining us (for me, my real parents were royalty and I was going to be a princess... as the dreams of a seven-year-old).  Then, the next day, all as forgiven and you moved on.  Well, can you imagine what that is like for Carly?  She is going to get mad at Brandon and Theresa because they make her clean her room instead of going out to play with her friends or whatever. She will, in her anger, think about how they aren't her parents and her "real" parents want her.  Then she will remember these crazy show and her fakakta birth parents, clean her room, go hug Brandon and Theresa, and thank God that she lives with them instead of Catelynn and Tyler.

16 hours ago, Marisagf said:

Sharon Osborne should host these things.  Remember when she hosted that "Charm School" show?

Oh my word yes!  I would love that.  Perhaps she and Judge Judy can do a tag team.

[Claire85]

Did anyone else notice Drew ask Butch if he could call him Darl, Butch/Darl said yes, and then Drew kept calling him Butch? 

[kira28]

Boo hoo amber. You are a piece of shit and not even  a mother to Leah. Kristina is the parent who takes care of Leah daily. Gary is a wonderful parent and truly has Leah's best interests in mind. Amber is a horrible excuse for a human who can't even be bothered to leave her bed to puke. She acts like Leah is a niece she gets to see whenever it's convenient for her. In reality a child is a responsibility you have no matter what is going on in your life or how you are feeling.  I hope Amber moves to CA.  

[AirQuotes]

I'm just now watching this, and *if* (big if) Ryan is on suboxone and taking it "as needed" then he is abusing it.  That's now how suboxone treatment works as I understand it.  It is to ease detox/withdrawal symptoms and prevent a life threatening withdrawal event.  It is to be taken on a schedule with dosages stepping down gradually.  It is not to be taken as needed! 

I'm sorry to say this, but Ryan is in big trouble with heroin and I don't think he is long for this world.  We are watching a dead man walking.

For once, Dr. Drew was absolutely correct about what he said to Mack Truck regarding the suboxone.  Ryan is surrounded by delusional people coddling him.  I can't stand Maci but it is total bullshit for them to sit there blaming her.  It is gross and pathetic.

Edited April 26, 2018 by AirQuotes

[Birdee]

15 hours ago, Rebecca said:

Well, anecdotally I had a friend in elementary school who was adopted and DID have concerns about not looking like her family. They were all olive skinned and dark haired and she was very fair with freckles and red hair. She would get upset when people didn’t realize they were her parents and sister and instead assumed that I, or another friend, was in her family and she was the visiting friend. It happened more than once. So I guess some adopted kids do care and IF Carly even said what Catelynn described, she might be one of them. ??‍♀️ I just don't understand the thinking that it somehow makes her a narcissist. If the convo even happened I’m not sure what Carly, who will see Nova maybe once a year, would even otherwise have to say in response to the question about what she likes about “having a sister.” Because for all intents and purposes, at this stage, Nova isn’t actually a sister to her in the traditional sense. All she knows is that this little girl (Nova) has the same biological parents as her and thus looks like her. 

I can understand that if you look totally different from your family and maybe everyone else around you, it could be natural to want to see someone who looks like you. But I think Carly could probably pass pretty easily for B&T's bio kid. I don't know how Carly feels about needing to find someone with her features or whatever, but I think we can all agree that Cate and Tyler probably played up the whole scene. I do agree with you that she's not a narcissist. Cate and Tyler probably asked her 100 times if she liked having a sister who looked just like her and Carly finally broke down and just said yes to get them to shut up. 

[AirQuotes]

2 minutes ago, Birdee said:

I can understand that if you look totally different from your family and maybe everyone else around you, it could be natural to want to see someone who looks like you. But I think Carly could probably pass pretty easily for B&T's bio kid. I don't know how Carly feels about needing to find someone with her features or whatever, but I think we can all agree that Cate and Tyler probably played up the whole scene. I do agree with you that she's not a narcissist. Cate and Tyler probably asked her 100 times if she liked having a sister who looked just like her and Carly finally broke down and just said yes to get them to shut up. 

This!

[teapot]

2 hours ago, Claire85 said:

Did anyone else notice Drew ask Butch if he could call him Darl, Butch/Darl said yes, and then Drew kept calling him Butch? 

and how he was like "good on you, mate for that current sobriety thing but who are we kidding here?"

My beautiful nieces were adopted from China by their Mexican mom & Italian dad.  When the oldest was in kindergarten, her classmates saw her mom & started teasing her that it wasn't her REAL mom.  She was devastated, poor thing!  I don't think it had even occurred to her before that.  (they've always known they were adopted but I don't think they cared about the difference in looks when they were little. ) Kids suck.

Edited April 26, 2018 by teapot

[AirQuotes]

I watched it again... I hope Mack Truck is not serious about going to nursing school because her attitude will not work, and I doubt she can just clean it up.  Drew is a quack, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.  He was right about what he was saying about the suboxone treatment, and Mack Truck giving him attitude and her "excuse me!" were out of line.  That arrogance will get her sent home from clinicals; if she could even get accepted in the first place.  Nursing students are at the bottom of the pecking order, and a bad attitude is not tolerated in the least.  Speak to a nursing instructor, hospital staff member, or doctor like that and you get sent home for the day with a zero grade.  Clinical grades are heavily weighted, and a zero for one of your clinicals can equal failure for the semester.

[Kazu]

1 hour ago, Birdee said:

I can understand that if you look totally different from your family and maybe everyone else around you, it could be natural to want to see someone who looks like you. But I think Carly could probably pass pretty easily for B&T's bio kid. I don't know how Carly feels about needing to find someone with her features or whatever, but I think we can all agree that Cate and Tyler probably played up the whole scene. I do agree with you that she's not a narcissist. Cate and Tyler probably asked her 100 times if she liked having a sister who looked just like her and Carly finally broke down and just said yes to get them to shut up. 

I have thought this in my mind, but you put it in words better than I ever could.

We know how Cate can manipulate Tyler. And he is an adult. Carly is no different. Cate has pushed and prodded Nova to say certain things about Carly.  Cate has posted on her Instagram posts such as #arerealsisters #birthsisters #siblings. If this is being posted on Instagram, it is being said to Nova. The comments to Nova about her "sister" Carly are so nauseating. Cate is trying to make something happen instead of letting it happen naturally and organically. Plenty of moments have been captured on camera where Cate and Tyler have made statements to Nova about Carly including force-feeding her things to say with their questions. So, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they, with emphasis on Cate, pull the same shit with Carly when they communicate with her.

@Calm81 I don't think "love" is the best word to describe the feelings some have when comparing Butch to the rest of these yahoos who are not taking advantage of getting real help. Butch at least takes accountability for his addiction. It is what we wish the rest of the cast members with similar problems would do. No one can forget the DV, but I also can't forget he was a victim of child abuse.  That can do a number on people and sadly, the cycle tends to be repeated. He became an addict. Being inebriated can cause one to lose control of their inhibitions. Who can forget an inebriated April verbally abusing Catelynn? Being under the influence of any substance greatly increases the chances of abusive behavior. Butch is the only one right now who is taking his health issue seriously. He has been clean before and even went out and got a job. He stumbled, but he is trying to get back to that place. With the likes of Amber, Ryan, and Cate who want to remain stagnant, be seen as victims, not take the initiative to admit their wrong-doings and take advantage of the help that is available to them, Butch is at least a ray of hope.  I don't fear Butch would commit a DV again. I can't say the same about Amber and Ryan.

Edited April 26, 2018 by Kazu

[AirQuotes]

Maci's face!  Her complexion needs some help.  Ulta has really reasonable prices for facials; maybe she should look into that.  Some microdermabrasion could work wonders on her.

[Kazu]

5 minutes ago, AirQuotes said:

Maci's face!  Her complexion needs some help.  Ulta has really reasonable prices for facials; maybe she should look into that.  Some microdermabrasion could work wonders on her.

Reducing her alcohol consumption might help her skin issues, too.

[Birdee]

11 minutes ago, Kazu said:

If this is being posted on Instagram, it is being said to Nova. The comments to Nova about her "sister" Carly are so nauseating. Cate is trying to make something happen instead of letting it happen naturally and organically. Plenty of moments have been captured on camera where Cate and Tyler have made statements to Nova about Carly including force-feeding her things to say with their questions. So, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they, with emphasis on Cate, pull the same shit with Carly when they communicate with her.

I always wonder how much this does and will continue to confuse Nova. It's like parents who refer to a child who has passed away to their other kids in a way that makes them think they're just off at camp or something. Is Nova going to grow up thinking any new siblings she gets wil only see her once every few years?

[Kazu]

3 minutes ago, Birdee said:

I always wonder how much this does and will continue to confuse Nova. It's like parents who refer to a child who has passed away to their other kids in a way that makes them think they're just off at camp or something. Is Nova going to grow up thinking any new siblings she gets wil only see her once every few years?

Good point.

Look how quick Cate put a shirt on Nova declaring she will be a big sister when announcing her faux pregnancy. I don't know how much Nova was capable of soaking in about that claim, but I can only imagine how much Cate forced that pregnancy on Nova when the cameras were not around. Nova probably heard about this baby non-stop.

[MistyMeg]

On 4/24/2018 at 8:06 PM, Rebecca said:

I don’t blame Farrah for being a bitch to Drew. She knows he’s full of shit and doesn’t really watch the show or care. MTV freaking fired her, why should she play nice? I’m assuming she was contractually obligated to film a reunion segment in some form and that’s why she was there. If I got fired from my job I wouldn’t want to then sit around and make nice with the fake ass PR rep to get my final check or whatever.

(The reason I assume they were obligated to film a reunion interview is because why the fuck would Ryan have gone otherwise? He clearly didn’t want to be there.)

Well said Rebecca!!!   I know what Farrah is  etc etc...but at least she IS who she is! Unlike Maci  and Amber who put on "airs and graces" for the camera...Maci wasn't going to film any more if Farrah was on...she came back...but bentley wasn't allowed to film....Bentley came  back...I presume they get paid for the kids parts too!!!  At least have the courage of your convictions!!!   I know Farrah says what she thinks even if we all think she is a bitch...at least she does not pretend not to be one!!! Maci..  All that adoption stuff is crap....her babies go to day care for goodness sake! Why get more if you don't want to look after the ones you have? Cate is happy in therapy...maybe she has an attraction to one of her mentors?? Something not right there! Amber..(and weirdo Bubby/Shawn) are not just not on this planet...they are not even in this F*****g universe!!!   My opinion only!!! 

[lezlers]

2 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

I watched it again... I hope Mack Truck is not serious about going to nursing school because her attitude will not work, and I doubt she can just clean it up.  Drew is a quack, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.  He was right about what he was saying about the suboxone treatment, and Mack Truck giving him attitude and her "excuse me!" were out of line.  That arrogance will get her sent home from clinicals; if she could even get accepted in the first place.  Nursing students are at the bottom of the pecking order, and a bad attitude is not tolerated in the least.  Speak to a nursing instructor, hospital staff member, or doctor like that and you get sent home for the day with a zero grade.  Clinical grades are heavily weighted, and a zero for one of your clinicals can equal failure for the semester.

I would pay so much money to watch Mac get an epic smack down for giving attitude to a doctor or teacher.

[CaliforniaLove]

44 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I would pay so much money to watch Mac get an epic smack down for giving attitude to a doctor or teacher.

Agreed! ;-)

[kira28]

23 hours ago, Birdee said:

I always wonder how much this does and will continue to confuse Nova. It's like parents who refer to a child who has passed away to their other kids in a way that makes them think they're just off at camp or something. Is Nova going to grow up thinking any new siblings she gets wil only see her once every few years?

Nova only sees her mom for a few days every six weeks and cate lives with her so she will probably grow up thinking it's perfectly normal to have a sibling she sees once every few years. I say this in jest but it's kind of  of sad because it's true. 

I don't believe Cates recollection of Carly saying Nova looks just like her. 1st because cate lies and she and Tyler are delusional and make shit up that carly supposedly says all the time. Like calling Tyler daddy and telling cate she misses  them. A child will miss Someone who used to be a big part of their life who is gone or who they don't see as much. My son misses my ex who was in his life for 3 years. My daughter misses he r grandparents that she only sees once a month or so

 Carly has never spent any substantial time with cate and tyler

 They are the equivalent of her parents running into a distant relative she has seen once or twice before or even a cashier at a grocery store Carly has seen before and who is always nice to her. Carly has more of an attachment to her teachers   babysitter, and extended family members (of b&t) than she has to cate and Tyler. There is no reason for her to miss them. They are people who probably look and smell funny to her that she's seen what 6 times in her entire life? And 2nd Carly and Nova don't really look alike. While I think Nova is cute she looks like cindy loo who from the grinch. The pics we have seen of Carly at Novas age she did not have similar features. While they are both blonde and blue eyed there are alot of kids that fit that description. It's not like Carly looks at Nova and sees her twin.  My son looks absolutely nothing like me or his sister and my kids have the same parents. My daughter and I have dark hair and brown eyes. My son is a blue eyed blonde. He Could care less that he doesn't look us. It's not an issue. I doubt it's an issue with Carly and her mom and dad. She looks similar enough to Brandon and  Teresa to pass for their biological child. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by kira28

[TVlovers]

On 4/23/2018 at 10:07 PM, Stusan said:

I am alternately fascinated and horrified at how old Dr. Drew looks in his interview with Farrah vs his interview with the others. 

Difference in cameras? Difference in make-up?

I think being with Farrah ages a person!

[Kazu]

4 hours ago, TVlovers said:

I think being with Farrah ages a person!

If that were the case, Cate would look her age instead of a 40 year old.

[Meatball]

On 4/24/2018 at 6:58 PM, TheRealT said:

I feel like this point is overlooked way too often and it's why I could never get on board with "MTV should pay them less/they shouldn't get paid at all for being irresponsible and stupid" arguments. "The talent" in scripted TV shows often have a host of personal flaws/problems, but no one thinks they should work for free/cheap because of that. On this and other reality shows, "the talent" is essentially paid to be fucked up, so I don't see why that means the network, production company, their employees, etc. "deserve" to make money from the shows but the people whose lives/families/psyches are being exploited don't.

Yeah, Gary and Kristina are awesome. Amber is garbage.

I CANNOT WAIT until Amber births their "lovechild" and nuMatt gets snapped into reality HARDCORE. He pissed me the fuck off talking (ridiculous) shit about Gary. A year from now, Amber will be cussing him out from her bed while he does 100% of the work taking care of their child, while probably enduring physical abuse when he doesn't shut the crying baby up fast enough or pisses Amber off in any other way. He will probably be the primary motivator to go get Leah for visits because she will help wait on/appease Amber and/or take care of the baby (so he can take a shower, make dinner, go grocery shopping, or have a moment to himself). He'll be plotting a way to escape, either with or without the baby, and (I hope) remembering how he blamed and trashed Gary for daring to criticize Amber as a mom.

That's IF he's still around, which is a big if. The alternate possibility is that he'll take off before then, either with the baby (in which case Amber will take up with a new caretaker/soulmate within a couple of months tops) or without the baby (in which case the new soulmate/CPS/Amber's family/Gary and Kristina [DON'T DO IT!] will have to step in to care for the baby or the baby will die.

But there he was, holding Amber's hand while she fake cried and spewing the talking points she gave him about how Gary (who is basically a FUCKING SAINT where Amber is concerned) is malicious and cruel. I actually want this fuckfest of a show to last another season just so I can see all of his comeuppance in technicolor. Fuck you, nuMatt, but Karma is a bitch and she's coming for your ass very, very soon. [insert evil cackle]

In all fairness, these people have literally been encouraged, and even paid, to be dysfunctional since they were children. "Normal" people are explicitly and implicitly encouraged to adhere to certain social norms and standards (e.g., rarely/never screaming in people's faces) and usually suffer negative consequences when they fail to do so. For them, it's largely been the opposite. Their bosses (in the form of the producers) encourage them to be confrontational; to dwell on minor slights, sometimes for years; to relive past traumas publicly, sometimes for years; to be overly introspective/narcissistic; to pursue self-worth and validation through attention seeking; etc.; etc. And all of that is reinforced by the public literally every single day of their lives (through social media). The show and all that comes with it has also colored their personal relationships with friends and family, even their children, since they were children themselves. I think that, especially for "reality stars" like the TM crew, who have been on the shows for so long with many of their family members/close friends, the experience is similar to being in a prison camp or something in terms of its (largely negative) psychological effects on them. Not to trivialize being in a prison camp, but my point is, I think it's an experience that is almost universally damaging, though it affects/damages different people in different ways and to different degrees. On top of that, most of them come from at least somewhat troubled backgrounds even before the show. And the big money for little work, parasitic people pursuing them for money/fame, etc., etc. don't help either. The "TM Experience" isn't what any knowledgeable parent/youth development professional would advise for any young person, much less people who are dealing with teen parenthood on top of whatever other personal issues.

You are terrific! Come sit by me.

[Calm81]

Did anyone catch how quickly Catelynn revealed how “calm” her home really is after Dr. Drew was stating all of the craziness that happens in her household with suicidal thoughts, daddy smoking pot with his buddies (nothing wrong with pot but to an outsider like CPS it’s still considered illegal in Michigan I’m sure Tyler and his buddies all have medical cards) grandpa in rehab and April needing to look in to therapy? It’s like she quickly backpedaled from all of the negative stuff she was revealing to say “oh but it’s so calm in our home” because she began to get worried about any future investigations.

I mean, that is a crazy home for a little 3 year old girl to live in. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Calm81

[lezlers]

I was getting really irritated at Drew guilt tripping Tyler for smoking pot.  The poor guy is carrying his entire fucked up family on his back, if he wants to smoke a joint to relax, let him.  Jesus. He acts like Tyler is some trust fund kid from a Leave It To Beaver childhood whose job is to now care for Cate, the only survivor of childhood trauma in their home. When does Tyler get to take care of Tyler?

[CofCinci]

On 4/26/2018 at 8:35 AM, Calm81 said:

I really don’t see what Gary and Kristina’s affair had to do with the show. It happened off air and nothing related to the original show about teen moms. I’m also pissed that Dr. Drew made Kristina feel like she had to apologize when all she did was defend herself!!!! She shouldn’t have to share her court documents on social media about unrelated information because Amber was deflecting from being called out for being a shitty mom; which was the truth.

I dislike the way this series treats Kristina. The questions come from production and not “Dr. Drew”.  Dude barely knows who half these people are!  Producers malign her and she seems like a thoughtful, caring mother to all three of her girls.  Gary and Kristina work hard and live modestly.  They value education.  When Kristina’s daughter was in ICU for an extended period, she pushed herself to exhaustion to be present for all her daughters.  Amber can’t even be bothered to pick Leah up or attend a school concert!  Fuck these producers for attacking Kristina. She doesn’t deserve this. 

[TheRealT]

1 hour ago, lezlers said:

I was getting really irritated at Drew guilt tripping Tyler for smoking pot.  The poor guy is carrying his entire fucked up family on his back, if he wants to smoke a joint to relax, let him.  Jesus. He acts like Tyler is some trust fund kid from a Leave It To Beaver childhood whose job is to now care for Cate, the only survivor of childhood trauma in their home. When does Tyler get to take care of Tyler?

That bugged me too. Drew ascribes to the antiquated, unscientific idea that marijuana is "bad" and a "drug" that is more harmful/dangerous than alcohol. He sometimes discourages people with a history of substance abuse from drinking (and sometimes acts like it's ok), but he always sees pot usage as problematic and tries to shame people who admit it. He said Tyler should stop smoking to support Cate's sobriety, but he didn't say anything about Ty drinking. He didn't even say anything about Ryan's parents binge drinking with him right after he came back from treatment for heroin addiction. (Ok, I realize that he probably had no idea that that happened because it wasn't written on his cue card.)

38 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

I dislike the way this series treats Kristina. The questions come from production and not “Dr. Drew”.  Dude barely knows who half these people are!  Producers malign her and she seems like a thoughtful, caring mother to all three of her girls.  Gary and Kristina work hard and live modestly.  They value education.  When Kristina’s daughter was in ICU for an extended period, she pushed herself to exhaustion to be present for all her daughters.  Amber can’t even be bothered to pick Leah up or attend a school concert!  Fuck these producers for attacking Kristina. She doesn’t deserve this. 

Yeah, I wonder whether they're not sure how to deal with Kristina as a "character" because she's pretty laid back and sane, so they try to create drama around her by encouraging her to get in the middle of Gary and Amber and fanning the flames of Amber's irrational anger toward her. A big part of the problem is how Drew (the show) insists upon acting as if Amber isn't totally insane (on top of being an asshole). They entertain her ridiculous, "I can't believe G&K said I only saw Leah twice this summer! I saw her three times!" nonsense. So Drew basically starts the conversation at, "Why do you guys talk so much shit about Amber and attack her on SM?"