S07.E11: Unconfuse Your Brain

[alexa]

When I was watching the Halloween thing, all it did was remind me as you all have noted is that Ryan and Mac are idiots and everyone else knows it.  Jen and Larry were fine, and didn't care what time trick or treating was, and Maci and Taylor were just trying to get all 3 of their kids ready and to me they looked like they were hurrying (but like normal parents with youngsters sometimes your timing is off a bit).  Ryan and Mac acted like Maci and the family purposely ruined their extravagantly short time window of trick or treating.... so dumb.  

[Tatum]

Yeah I have a hard enough time getting out the door on time each morning with a 6 year old and 2 year old, so I can't imagine trying to hustle a 9 year old, a 2 year old, and a 17 month old out, particularly on Halloween where there is extra costume prep time.

Honestly, I am starting to believe Mac and Maci are a lot smarter than we've given them credit for, and this whole season is an elaborate ruse designed to ensure more screen time for both of them.

[AirQuotes]

I really hope they are pulling our leg and Tyler did NOT pay for Butch's rehab.  Butch is a life long addict and nothing has stuck before.  He always goes back to using.

I would kill myself before I let any of my children spend $48k on me for bullshit.  I would hope that even the prospect of such an offer would be enough to snap me out of whatever bullshit they felt they needed to save me from.

That sister, her kids and Butch are destroying that house!  C&T are not the greatest housekeepers, but comparing when they lived there to how it is now!  Wow!  Huge difference.  What in the world was going on for that kid to be walking on the kitchen counter!  I have a feeling that is normal behavior.  That house is a pig sty on par with Amber's house of horrors; except even shitty Amber pays her power bill.

Amber thinking she has to know the baby's gender so she can "prepare" is just preposterous!  We have been saying for years that Amber suffers from sub par intelligence and this is another example.  She has to have everything spelled out for her in black and white.  No creativity, ingenuity, resourcefulness, logic, or reasoning is happening with her.  To her brain, girls are pink and boys are blue.  Nothing in between and she must know absolutely what she is dealing with.

That's also why she gets mad and resorts to screeching at people.  She is on par with a toddler who is unable to articulate what it is they want or need so they cry and scream.

I agree that Maci and Mack are in cahoots with each other and cooking up these story lines for drama and screen time.  

Farrah looks like a sex doll.  If she kept her mouth shut and just sat there, she could easily pass for one.  The A.I. sex dolls talk sweet and say nice things. lol

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

17 hours ago, HoosierJen said:

Every time I watch this show I can't help but think about these kids' former teachers. I teach high school, and every year I have some students who are lazy, unmotivated, full of attitude, and lacking in intellect. It seems like I'm always telling them that they will need these skills someday and that eventually they will have to show up to a job on time and do what the boss tells them -- even when they don't particularly want to. But then I watch Teen Mom and I see that apparently I'm wrong. You don't always need basic reading, writing, and math skills. You don't have to work well with others, show up on time, or put in effort in order to keep a job. 

Somewhere in the world are the former high school teachers of Amber, Farrah, Tyler, and Cate. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to watch former students like that and know that these crappy people now make triple (quadruple?) what you -- an educated professional -- make. It would make me sick.

I work at a community college and relate to what you're saying about some students. I also think about these cast members' teachers and think about how infuriating this all must be. Heck, I've never taught the cast members and it infuriates me. 

[CaughtOnTape]

Amber is a bitch, we all knew/know this.  But if there's one thing I cannot stand it is when pregnant women get up on their hind legs about the fact that their pregnant.  Don't cause them undo stress!  Gimme a goddamn break.  You're pregnant, not dying.  And Amber's bullshit about her boyfriend (I can't be bothered to learn this one's name) wanting to not know the sex made me want to punch her in the throat.  "YOU HAVE TO PREPARE!!!"  Hey Amber, you can do that without knowing the sex.  Google it.

And how the fuck would she know what's easier and not easier concerning preparing for a child?  She's never been a mother to Leah, she didn't prepare for shit.

Amber is manipulative and scary.  Because she can fly off the handle whenever she wants but if anyone else gives her the least amount of shit for something she starts whining about how she's sick or she's feeling weak and might use and now she can't because she's pregnant.  Why any male is still going near her is shocking because she is the definition of a high maintenance woman.  That poor kid she's got her hooks in now can't do or say anything unless pre-approved by her or she starts raising her voice.  And hearing her mother's crap about warning him not to hurt her....um, maybe you should talk to your daughter, lady.

Know what I can't wait for?  For Leah to get old enough to realize her mother never gave a shit about her and is the most selfish person on the planet and makes Amber answer for that.  

Edited February 14, 2018 by CaughtOnTape

[kit.kat343]

Amber absolutely could be lying about the date of  conception.  But there is prenatal testing available now that takes a vial of the mother’s blood and tells you if you are at high risk of Down’s syndrome and other chromosomal issues.  It also tells you the baby’s gender and can be done at 10 weeks gestation.  It’s very controversial, since it means that more people will find out about downs syndrome and may choose to terminate.  This documentary shows the effects in Iceland, where only one or two babies with downs are born each year in the whole country since screening and termination rates are so high.  https://www.cbsnews.com/video/is-iceland-on-track-to-eliminate-down-syndrome/

Edited February 14, 2018 by kit.kat343

[GreatKazu]

3 hours ago, Tatum said:

Yeah I have a hard enough time getting out the door on time each morning with a 6 year old and 2 year old, so I can't imagine trying to hustle a 9 year old, a 2 year old, and a 17 month old out, particularly on Halloween where there is extra costume prep time.

Honestly, I am starting to believe Mac and Maci are a lot smarter than we've given them credit for, and this whole season is an elaborate ruse designed to ensure more screen time for both of them.

I truly believe all of them are in cahoots. Going by that article about Maci and her fake storylines (something I felt was happening prior to reading that article), I just feel they are amping up drama, creating these episodes because frankly, what the hell else do they have going on in their lives? Ryan being under the influence is certainly not fake. That shit is real. 

13 minutes ago, kit.kat343 said:

Amber absolutely could be lying about the date of  conception.  But there is prenatal testing available now that takes a vial of the mother’s blood and tells you if you are at high risk of Down’s syndrome and other chromosomal issues.  It also tells you the baby’s gender and can be done at 10 weeks gestation.  It’s very controversial, since it means that more people will find out about downs syndrome and may choose to terminate.  This documentary shows the effects in Iceland, where only one or two babies with downs are born each year in the whole country since screening and termination rates are so high.  https://www.cbsnews.com/video/is-iceland-on-track-to-eliminate-down-syndrome/

The test will confirm a baby's sex. Gender is a whole other issue. 

All of these early tests for pregnant women has nothing to do with Amber because the only risks involved with her and her pregnancy is what will happen to that baby once he is born. 

Amber is lying about knowing when she conceived because she likely boned two guys around the same time and was high.  It is all a blur to her.

[Tatum]

17 minutes ago, CaughtOnTape said:

Amber is a bitch, we all knew/know this.  But if there's one thing I cannot stand it is when pregnant women get up on their hind legs about the fact that their pregnant.  Don't cause them undo stress!  Gimme a goddamn break.  You're pregnant, not dying. ...

OMG, this drives me absolutely batshit. By all means, when it's 90+ degrees outside at your friend's BBQ, offer the 9 months pregnant friend the chair in the one shady spot of the backyard. That's just good manners and consideration. But these women that seem to feel that pregnancy entitles them to 9 months of everyone tiptoeing around them and avoiding causing them even the most minor of inconvenience- get over yourselves. Maybe take a look around. See all these people walking around? They're all here because someone gave birth to them. Your condition is not special.

[gunderda]

On 2/12/2018 at 9:52 PM, poeticlicensed said:

Geez it's like maci, Ryan and Mac are just looking for reasons to be pissed. Hudson is Mack's son, not Bentleys brother. Why couldnt Mack take Hudson to his dad and Ryan could stay with Bentley? What am I missing? 

Because Ryan was worried about not having a ride home ;)  But in all honesty.... he probably knew there would be hell to pay later IF he opted to stay with Bentley and not leave with Mackenzie. 

20 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

 

It isn't Tyler's responsibility to pay the light bill for Amber so that her kids have electricity. But would it kill Tyler to do it anyway so that his niece/nephew have power? I wouldn't give Amber any money, but maybe Tyler could pay the bill himself, for his nephew & niece. Yeah, I know they're not his responsibility, but I feel for those kids. 

There's probably a very fine line in what a successful family member should do for a not to motivated family member... and I'm sure Tyler and Cate are toeing that line.  They have probably paid for a lot of other stuff and are now irritated and feel taken advantage of and setting the line at small stuff like utilities.  His sister's comment of "I can't wait to go to moms and do NOTHING!"  was very odd. 

19 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Something tells me that Tyler was nearly having a panic attack walking into his old home, like he was reliving a moment from his childhood where the electric bill wasn’t paid and trash everywhere. 

You can tell he really didn't want to go in and when he got in he was annoyed that Butch wasn't even packed yet. 

12 hours ago, cereality said:

Normally I'd agree but I didn't get that Jen and Larry caused any of the scheduling problem. I think they got to the area when they were supposed to -- called Maci and said they were getting to her neighborhood. Maci was still getting the other kids ready and said she had to run to her mom's for the golf cart -- which is why I presume she pushed it back to 6. Jen and Larry weren't seen bitching or anything. I think they stayed in the area and made themselves scarce -- and then at 6 they roll up and Jen has coffee in her hand so I suspect they just killed some time at Starbucks. It was their son that pitched a fit bc he had to leave with "Huddles" at 6 and then bitched at his mom with "don't start with that I need to see Bentley crap." Jen and Larry looked like they were ready to roll with whatever the plans were and treat it is a lite hearted fun holiday . . . .

I am SO confused by this whole trick or treating scheduling thing.  Someone posted a screen shot of Maci's message which did say 5-5:30.  But then if Maci told Jen they were running late, why did Jen not relay that onto Ryan?? Did she think Ryan wouldn't show up like usual?  I'm sure Maci thought Jen would tell Ryan if the time changed. The whole time I was wondering what the original stated time was because how could one party be off by an hour and the majority of the party not seem to care???

[GreatKazu]

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But then if Maci told Jen they were running late, why did Jen not relay that onto Ryan??

I am wondering why Maci just didn't call or text Ryan and tell him herself. 

These people are whack. They are either tremendously stupid or they are really playing up their scripted storylines. Of course, my money is on the fake storyline. 

[Tatum]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I am wondering why Maci just didn't call or text Ryan and tell him herself. 

These people are whack. They are either tremendously stupid or they are really playing up their scripted storylines. Of course, my money is on the fake storyline. 

I think it's a combination of fake storylines and also Maci has always struck me as the screw you, I do what I want, kind of person.

[GreatKazu]

2 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I think it's a combination of fake storylines and also Maci has always struck me as the screw you, I do what I want, kind of person.

Oh no doubt it is all about Maci. Many times (too many to list) she would say it was her way or the highway. She stated in the Halloween episode when Bentley was 2 years old,  "I can do it" when telling Ryan she was going to take Bentley out for trick-or-treating with her parents after it was agreed upon by the two of them that Ryan would have Bentley on Halloween night. 

[ginger90]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Oh no doubt it is all about Maci. Many times (too many to list) she would say it was her way or the highway. She stated in the Halloween episode when Bentley was 2 years old,  "I can do it" when telling Ryan she was going to take Bentley out for trick-or-treating with her parents after it was agreed upon by the two of them that Ryan would have Bentley on Halloween night. 

I thought that had to do with getting Bentley a costume. He asked if they had to get Bentley one, and she said she would do it. (Can’t blame her on that one, at least she knew he would have one) Perhaps I’m thinking of another time.

[GreatKazu]

12 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I thought that had to do with getting Bentley a costume. He asked if they had to get Bentley one, and she said she would do it. (Can’t blame her on that one, at least she knew he would have one) Perhaps I’m thinking of another time.

Maci threw Bentley a Halloween birthday party for his second birthday. She promised Ryan he could have Bentley in the evening after the party so he could take him out for ToT. Maci changed her mind at the last minute and asked Ryan if she could have Bentley after the party so she and her parents could take Bentley out for a few hours of ToT. Ryan balked at her request and reminded her how she had already promised him visitation time with Bentley so he and his parents could take him out and that her change of plans would interfere with ToT time. That was when Maci told him she could pretty much change the plans if she wanted to. 

Edited February 14, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Mr. Miner]

If the Halloween fiasco wasn't being filmed. Ryan probably would have blown off Bentley and Huddles or he would have been really late. He's turned into a complete waste.

[Tatum]

1 minute ago, Mr. Minor said:

If the Halloween fiasco wasn't being filmed. Ryan probably would have blown off Bentley and Huddles or he would have been really late. He's turned into a complete waste.

Turned into a waste?

 

That would imply there was a time when he wasn't a waste of space.

[gunderda]

58 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I am wondering why Maci just didn't call or text Ryan and tell him herself. 

These people are whack. They are either tremendously stupid or they are really playing up their scripted storylines. Of course, my money is on the fake storyline. 

wellll she kinda did state why.  Taylor asked why she doesn't communicate with Ryan herself and not go through Jen.  Maci flat out said "because I don't want to argue"

and I'm not excusing their crappy communication BUT the original plans were made through Jen.  And Jen seemed very "whatever" about the whole ordeal.

[pakalolo]

The candelabra usage at Butch's pad means the lights have been out for a longer period of time than indicated. When the electricity is just out for a few hours most people have enough batteries to run flashlights for illumination, one usually doesn't resort to candles until after several days because that's usually when batteries become too expensive to continue to replace. The fact that they even had a candelabra and candles in that hell hole in the first place probably means the electricity being shut off is a regular occurrence.

 

I noticed Tyler's sister had enough money to buy her cigarettes and probably still has a phone too, sure, it sucks to see her kids with no electricity but that was her and Butch's choice and not up to Tyler to fix. My in laws did that constantly, they spent their money on addictions and entertainment first and left electricity, housing and other important bills for last because they knew they could whine to family about their children being in need of essentials. 

 

 

Regarding the Trust Deed Assignment of Rents thing, a friend of mine had some holiday property that he was going to offer to a family friend of his using this method. He explained that his friend was young and kind of a flake and wouldn't have been able to qualify for a traditional mortgage on his own for the house and said it would have been kind of like a rent to own situation for family friend and he would still retain ownership and be protected if friend defaulted.

 

Obviously not everyone has the same reasons for such a contract, but in the context of Andrew's family's home I'm thinking it might have been a family owned home that was offered to his parents by one of their parents (or whoever owned it) via this rent to own method when they were younger and unable to qualify for the mortgage themselves. 

[GreatKazu]

Way too many chiefs and not enough cooks in the Maci/Ryan/Mack/Jen/Larry group. 

[AirQuotes]

Butch's candelabra looked like some Dollar Tree halloween stuff.  It was a good indicator the lights had been off for a while and they knew it would be a while before the money to turn the lights back on could be scraped together.  (I keep old fashion oil lamps around for emergency power interruptions.)

[Rebecca]

23 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

For everyone asking what is wrong with Tyler's sister: Drugs. Drugs are what's wrong with Tyler's sister.

I know we snark on Tyler and Cate for thinking they've come so far & are killing it at parenting Nova (while she picks up dog turds as they play on social media and ignore her), but this episode is a good reminder of just why Tyler & Cate think they're doing so well. Nova doesn't have to worry about having a roof over her head, her parents not paying the light bill, or there not being any food in the house. Compared to Tyler and Cate's childhood, which was likely similar to what we saw at Tyler's sister's, Nova has it made. No wonder C&T think they're doing so much better and are great parents - compared to the childhoods & parenting they're familiar with, they are. (And yes, this is all because of a MTV show about teens who got knocked up rather than C&T's hard work or pursuing educations, but still....)

We also talk about how Carly will see Nova on the show with C&T and know she is so lucky to have had B&T raise her. That's true but honestly, I think had C&T kept Carly, her life would have been much more similar to that of Tyler's nieces and nephews than to Nova. There wouldn't have been TM money and she'd been raised in a household of addicts (Butch, April, etc) without TM money to pay for rent, utilities, food, etc. Tyler and Cate absolutely made the best, most selfless decision by placing Carly. A lot of it on Tyler's part was indeed because he didn't want to be strapped to a kid or Catelynn as a teen, but it also made me remember that it's believable that at least some small part of him didn't want any kid to have to grow up like he did (or like his niece/nephew do now).  I felt for Tyler. I still think he's a self-absorbed douche, but I felt for him. 

It isn't Tyler's responsibility to pay the light bill for Amber so that her kids have electricity. But would it kill Tyler to do it anyway so that his niece/nephew have power? I wouldn't give Amber any money, but maybe Tyler could pay the bill himself, for his nephew & niece. Yeah, I know they're not his responsibility, but I feel for those kids. 

All of this makes complete sense to me. Catelynn and Tyler seem pretty uncaring about the niece and nephew in general, I thought it was sad. I’m surprised Kim is allowing her grandkids to live that way. 

23 hours ago, Quilty said:

The grandparents don't have to go trick or treating with the kids. I understand they enjoy it and want to but it seems the more people involved the more messed up it gets. Too many schedules to work with. The kids are the losers in this situation.

Yes...it seems like they try to get all these people to go every year and it’s always drama. I never had an “entourage” for trick or treating. My grandparents didn’t live by me but they didn’t go with other grandkids that lived nearby - is that really a thing? It was usually me and my mom or us and her friend with kids the same age. Then around 10 I started going with a group of friends.

Also, why the hell should it be planned around Ryan when he’s been late or not shown up ON HALLOWEEN before? Let alone all the other stuff. Mackenzie’s satisfied “look at us, on time” or whatever made me lol...if you have to force the point that you are on time THIS TIME obviously it’s a known problem for you.

20 hours ago, HoosierJen said:

Somewhere in the world are the former high school teachers of Amber, Farrah, Tyler, and Cate. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to watch former students like that and know that these crappy people now make triple (quadruple?) what you -- an educated professional -- make. It would make me sick.

Indeed. It’s really sickening that being a reality tv star, an Instagram model, a YouTube personality etc are lucrative careers now. You need no talent, expertise or really anything other than to be 1) good looking 2) really rich or, even better, both! Also qualifying now is being the random “real life” friend of a celebrity. It’s insane how much money these people are making. Imagine the number of kids who have the career aspiration to be a “social media star” and get paid thousands to do sponsored posts and get paid to post selfies for a living.  

1 hour ago, pakalolo said:

I noticed Tyler's sister had enough money to buy her cigarettes and probably still has a phone too, sure, it sucks to see her kids with no electricity but that was her and Butch's choice and not up to Tyler to fix. My in laws did that constantly, they spent their money on addictions and entertainment first and left electricity, housing and other important bills for last because they knew they could whine to family about their children being in need of essentials. 

Both of the kids have (stupid) “trendy” hairstyles too - the girl had her hair dyed some stupid color (purple?) and the boy had some (ugly) mostly shaved weird stylized thing. I guess she could’ve done that to them herself but dye still costs money and I’m sure the time could’ve been better spent. Weird priorities.

Lol, Amber needs medication during her pregnancy “to eat” (has never appeared to be a problem..) and “have energy” (that she’s never had). Also, these two people (Amber and Andrew) appear to have nothing in common. Gary is right, of course, they don’t even know each other yet.

“Your delusionalness needs to be fixed” is fucking classic. But Farrah made a lot of sense in regard to Deb, in her own Farrah way.

[ghoulina]

16 hours ago, Purerockfury said:

How sad that Ryan is more concerned with Hudson than his own son.  Say what you want about Taylor but I have never noticed him treat the 3 kids differently. Obviously Hudson and McKenzie are more important to Ryan than his little brother Bentley will ever be.

This is a very good point. I'm sure it won't be lost on Bentley as he continues to get older and wiser. Taylor is the one who's consistently there for him. 

[usernameG]

On 2/12/2018 at 6:52 PM, Ajb1112 said:

WTF is Amber's problem? Psycho bitch. I felt bad for Andrew. 

I don't. He knew what he was getting into. I feel bad for their unborn child.

[BabyDaddy]

On 2/13/2018 at 4:04 AM, cereality said:

I know money is no object due to a decade of Teen Mom money but damn I would not spend 48k for Butch's rehab. The man has been in and out of prison and rehab his whole life and continues to be a user -- what does this 48k program offer that the others didn't? Send him somewhere cheap and free and save your money so maybe you can send your daughter away to college and get her out of the cycle of dysfunction/poverty/drugs in your family.

Exactly. I think go cheap, just choose a place that makes sure he can't just hop on a bus and leave any time he wants. Then even if he does skip out after 3 weeks - at least that is three weeks where you don't have to worry about him and can't get your mind off of the problem for a while.

[AirQuotes]

I am concerned about this poor little unborn baby of Amber's.  I can imagine NewMatt trying to take care of the baby but Psycho Amber having some bizarre, unmedicated mental illness delusion yelling at him that he is doing it wrong.  I hope for the baby's sake the cameras stay around for a little while longer.  At least the TM OG camera crew are people in the house to keep a watch over the situation.

[BabyDaddy]

On 2/13/2018 at 5:45 AM, LotusFlower said:

The best part?  Ryan’s drunk at his wedding!  They show a quick clip of Ryan and Mackenzie walking down the aisle, Mackenzie says: you’re drunk, and Ryan says: mmhmm (nodding yes).  

So - high at their first wedding, and drunk at their second!  (or was he stoned, and Mackenzie just said “drunk” to avoid talk of heroin?). That Ryan - what a catch!

 

I remember back a while when I was lurking (back on TWOP?)  many of the ladies were drooling over Ryan. Ok, I'm a dude, so I didn't really get what is so hawt about that guy, but whatever - interesting to know what turns on some ladies. He was dumb as rock back then, but I guess us guys have our bimbos - maybe he was just your "mimbo" equivalent. Anyway, consider yourselves as all having dodged a major bullet !!! :D

btw if I were to speculate, maybe this whole relationship is Mackenzie's final Hail Mary Pass, i.e. after losing face amongst her friends (most likely frenemies) with the first baby daddy , maybe she hopes she can just nurture Ryan back to hawtness  and come out #1 afterall. 

I have to say the house of Ryan's parents that is next to the water looks pretty sweet. And I'm not even a redneck.

Edited February 14, 2018 by BabyDaddy

[mamadrama]

32 minutes ago, BabyDaddy said:

I remember back a while when I was lurking (back on TWOP?)  many of the ladies were drooling over Ryan. Ok, I'm a dude, so I didn't really get what is so hawt about that guy, but whatever - interesting to know what turns on some ladies. He was dumb as rock back then, but I guess us guys have our bimbos - maybe he was just your "mimbo" equivalent. Anyway, consider yourselves as all having dodged a major bullet !!! :D

btw if I were to speculate, maybe this whole relationship is Mackenzie's final Hail Mary Pass, i.e. after losing face amongst her friends (most likely frenemies) with the first baby daddy , maybe she hopes she can just nurture Ryan back to hawtness  and come out #1 afterall. 

I have to say the house of Ryan's parents that is next to the water looks pretty sweet. And I'm not even a redneck.

To be fair, considering our other options, Ryan was kind of the best looking of the lot. (They was slim pickin's at the time.)

Of course now, with his land and chickens and nice farm house, not to mention his disposition, Gary is the hottest to me. Go figure. 

[LotusFlower]

32 minutes ago, BabyDaddy said:

btw if I were to speculate, maybe this whole relationship is Mackenzie's final Hail Mary Pass, i.e. after losing face amongst her friends (most likely frenemies) with the first baby daddy , maybe she hopes she can just nurture Ryan back to hawtness  and come out #1 afterall. 

I think it’s the tv stardom she’s after.  Somebody posted a link to her “blog,” and man, does she consider herself a role model.  It’s pretty nauseating.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, BabyDaddy said:

I remember back a while when I was lurking (back on TWOP?)  many of the ladies were drooling over Ryan. Ok, I'm a dude, so I didn't really get what is so hawt about that guy, but whatever - interesting to know what turns on some ladies. He was dumb as rock back then, but I guess us guys have our bimbos - maybe he was just your "mimbo" equivalent. Anyway, consider yourselves as all having dodged a major bullet !!! :D

btw if I were to speculate, maybe this whole relationship is Mackenzie's final Hail Mary Pass, i.e. after losing face amongst her friends (most likely frenemies) with the first baby daddy , maybe she hopes she can just nurture Ryan back to hawtness  and come out #1 afterall. 

I have to say the house of Ryan's parents that is next to the water looks pretty sweet. And I'm not even a redneck.

Not every lady felt that way.

He was not physically ugly in my eyes, however, I didn't see what it was about Ryan that made him hot. He seemed so dumb. That is such a turn-off to me. 

[mamadrama]

6 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Not every lady felt that way.

He was not physically ugly in my eyes, however, I didn't see what it was about Ryan that made him hot. He seemed so dumb. That is such a turn-off to me. 

Ryan was such an ass to Maci that it was hard for me to overlook that. I thought he was physically attractive but that attitude...damn. And yeah, he was dumb. 

[Kb60]

Both Andrew and Taylor have that " scared to talk back" look in their eyes. That must be an awful way to live.

[ginger90]

50 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

I think it’s the tv stardom she’s after.  Somebody posted a link to her “blog,” and man, does she consider herself a role model.  It’s pretty nauseating.

She hasn’t added to that blog since December 14th. That was the “I am the wife of a recovering addict. Woah... that’s hard to say.” entry.

[politichick]

2 hours ago, Rebecca said:

“Your delusionalness needs to be fixed” is fucking classic. But Farrah made a lot of sense in regard to Deb, in her own Farrah way.

LOL. I am on high alert for an excuse to say, "You need to unconfuse your brain." Deb drives Farrah bonkers, but deep down inside she loves the old girl.

Andrew, you in danger, boy. I hope his parents are ready to take responsibility for the coming spawn.

[Bridget]

17 hours ago, cereality said:

Taylor reminds me a lot of Cole from Chelsea's season. Both guys seem like they were born to be fathers. Both seem to genuinely like kids -- and thus don't differentiate between bio kids and stepkids. Which is kind of a quality you need if you're going to have a solid blended family and not leave any kid needing therapy in adulthood crying about how their stepdad loved their half siblings more and their mom sided with the stepdad and their druggie dad rarely came around so they kind of raised themselves..

I want to like this 73620684 times.

You hit the nail on the head perfectly. I never thought about it before, but you're so right about Cole and Taylor. Thank you for pointing this out and bringing it to attention.
 

[GreatKazu]

30 minutes ago, politichick said:

LOL. I am on high alert for an excuse to say, "You need to unconfuse your brain." Deb drives Farrah bonkers, but deep down inside she loves the old girl.

Andrew, you in danger, boy. I hope his parents are ready to take responsibility for the coming spawn.

His father died in 2006.

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

Ryan was such an ass to Maci that it was hard for me to overlook that. I thought he was physically attractive but that attitude...damn. And yeah, he was dumb. 

Major asshole to Maci. 

[WhosThatGirl]

2 hours ago, mamadrama said:

To be fair, considering our other options, Ryan was kind of the best looking of the lot. (They was slim pickin's at the time.)

Of course now, with his land and chickens and nice farm house, not to mention his disposition, Gary is the hottest to me. Go figure. 

Yeah. Same. Also back in the day while I found Ryan to be the most good oooking, his personality was so awful that Tyler to me was the sweetest one in this group.

Now I can’t stand Tyler, although I did feel bad for him in this episode, when we get little insights to what his childhood was like, I still don’t like him most of the time, he still says things and does things I don’t like. It’s how I feel about Catelynn too.

But yeah gary is the best. With his nice house and his farm and his chickens and the way he actually parents. It always bugs me that there’s hever a real mention of the weight of how much he was a single parent when Amber was hardly around. It’s mentioned but hardly. And always seems to be mentioned in a way in regards to how it affected Amber. And I get why the show has to do this, Amber is the star, not Gary and we are supposed to emphasize with her narrative but it bothers me.

Also I know people don’t Farrah, I don’t either, she’s a real bitch and annoying but she at least does what she says she’s going to do. And I’m not bothered by the way she treats Deb. I wouldn’t talk to my mother that way but my mother hasn’t or wouldn’t act the way Deb did and continues to act towards her. I feel like Farrah has to talk to her a certain way because Deb claims “doctors told her she is fine”. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

19 hours ago, MissMel said:

I don't remember that.  I thought a little was filmed at first but I could be wrong.  Ryan's Texas rehab didn't allow filming though.  I wonder if Butch is at the same facility and they reconsidered the free advertisement opportunity?

I don't watch all that carefully, but I think Ryan was in Dallas and Butch is going to Austin.

 

16 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

She has meth skin and meth eyebrows.  

And the meth hoodie.

 

6 hours ago, kit.kat343 said:

It’s very controversial, since it means that more people will find out about downs syndrome and may choose to terminate.  This documentary shows the effects in Iceland, where only one or two babies with downs are born each year in the whole country since screening and termination rates are so high.  https://www.cbsnews.com/video/is-iceland-on-track-to-eliminate-down-syndrome/

Nothing to worry about in the U.S.--states are passing laws prohibiting providing an abortion in the case of Down Syndrome. 

 

5 hours ago, Tatum said:

OMG, this drives me absolutely batshit. By all means, when it's 90+ degrees outside at your friend's BBQ, offer the 9 months pregnant friend the chair in the one shady spot of the backyard. That's just good manners and consideration. But these women that seem to feel that pregnancy entitles them to 9 months of everyone tiptoeing around them and avoiding causing them even the most minor of inconvenience- get over yourselves. Maybe take a look around. See all these people walking around? They're all here because someone gave birth to them. Your condition is not special.

In the preggos' defense, I've seen grocery stores offer designated close-up parking for pregnant women.  Not giantly pregnant women, not pregnant women who have trouble getting around, but pregnant women, period, presumably from day 4 or whenever you can find out you're pregnant these days.  So I can understand their sense of entitlement.

 

4 hours ago, pakalolo said:

I noticed Tyler's sister had enough money to buy her cigarettes and probably still has a phone too, 

I'm with you on the cigarettes, but give wide latitude when it comes to phones, even though I hate them as much as I hate cigarettes.  His sister apparently is a dog groomer, and I can see  needing a phone in that situation.  Or, really, any situation these days, especially if you have a job (or are a drug addict).
 

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Regarding the Trust Deed Assignment of Rents thing, a friend of mine had some holiday property that he was going to offer to a family friend of his using this method. He explained that his friend was young and kind of a flake and wouldn't have been able to qualify for a traditional mortgage on his own for the house and said it would have been kind of like a rent to own situation for family friend and he would still retain ownership and be protected if friend defaulted.

If your friend retained ownership, then he wouldn't have used a deed because deeds convey ownership.  I wonder if what he used was a "contract for deed," which is indeed similar to a "rent to own" arrangement (and really dangerous for borrowers). 

 

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Obviously not everyone has the same reasons for such a contract, but in the context of Andrew's family's home I'm thinking it might have been a family owned home that was offered to his parents by one of their parents (or whoever owned it) via this rent to own method when they were younger and unable to qualify for the mortgage themselves.

But the lender is listed as Touchdown Mortgage Fund, which sounds like a "regular" mortgage by a commercial lender.

[Bridget]

10 hours ago, alexa said:

When I was watching the Halloween thing, all it did was remind me as you all have noted is that Ryan and Mac are idiots and everyone else knows it.  Jen and Larry were fine, and didn't care what time trick or treating was, and Maci and Taylor were just trying to get all 3 of their kids ready and to me they looked like they were hurrying (but like normal parents with youngsters sometimes your timing is off a bit).  Ryan and Mac acted like Maci and the family purposely ruined their extravagantly short time window of trick or treating.... so dumb.  

I was appalled by Ryan's behavior on Halloween. Just appalled. It looks (to me) like Ryan doesn't even want to be around Bentley, and when he was mouthing off to Mimi Jen about "Don't start in on me about seeing Bentley....", my heart broke for Bentley. The fact that dumbass Ryan said it OUT LOUD and ON CAMERA only proves what we all know: he's using again. No matter when/if Bentley ever sees that footage and whether or not he has a relationship with Ryan, watching his dad say that about him will be indescribably painful. 

Ryan's got zero empathy, zero impulse control, zero common sense, zero consideration for his biological son, and zero respect for anything with a heartbeat except their dog Chance. 

I have never expected anything from that jerk when it comes to being any type of adult male figure in Bentley's life, except to mock his clothing choices, but Ryan straight up brought being a jackass sperm donor to new level on Halloween. We have seen worse sperm donors, I know, but he seems to have turned into so much more of a jerk since he "met Mac at the gym." (I'm dying to know what that's code for. Maybe her ex or someone he know was Ryan's dealer? Maybe Mac saw him during a buy, then followed him out of the parking lot of the tuxedo shop at 2am and they had a very, very late dinner?)

I know many of you have stated that MTV is doing more harm than good, and while I have always agreed with you, this particular bit really hit home for me. I don't have a relationship with my own father for a variety of reasons, but I would have expected my own dad to say something like this when I was younger, probably after having to have  been prompted by my mom to spend time with his children. Who lived under the same roof that he did. Who we never saw. Who we didn't really care if we saw because we knew what an asshat he was even when we were Bentley's age. It's the way my dad has always been. It's sad and it sucks and he's an arsehole and he is the one who is missing out. I am also totally aware that I have "Daddy issues" as well. I don't have the "I only want to date super old guys" thing going on, as I'm more along the "I know this is why I'm not married yet" side of things.

I was eavesdropping one night when I was younger, but I can still remember my mom saying to him: "If you don't make an effort to spend time with your kids now, there will be a day when neither one of them will want anything to do with you. You will regret that for the rest of your life." Move over Dionne Warwick because my mom is way more psychic that you are! She totally called it. I can remember Bentley asking to see Mimi Jen and Larry, but I can't remember B asking specifically about seeing Ryan. I can totally see B not wanting to have anything to do with R starting, if it hasn't already. I'm glad Bentley has Taylor in his life so B (hopefully) won't go through any major feelings of rejection from R. He might have some residual or topical "issues", but I'm glad Taylor is in his life.

FTR: My dad doesn't drink (he's from N. Ireland and never had a drop - true story!), smoke or do drugs. He never physically abused us. He is a workaholic who wasn't meant to get married & have kids. He's also always had the same level of interest in his children (all two of us!) that Amber has in Booger Butt. (Leah's another lucky one who already knows her mom is a loser, but she's got Gary & Kristina, so she will be OK.)

[ghoulina]

3 hours ago, usernameG said:

I don't. He knew what he was getting into. I feel bad for their unborn child.

No shit. It's not like Andrew was some rube she met at WM and could possibly claim he'd never seen the show. The dude was WORKING on a show she was on, a show where she was flipping out and yelling at everyone. If he really thought that was isolated behavior, he's more of a moron than she is. And, all that aside, HE chose to have unprotected sex with someone he'd only been dating for 5 minutes. You reap what you sow. 

[Bridget]

4 hours ago, Rebecca said:

 

Indeed. It’s really sickening that being a reality tv star, an Instagram model, a YouTube personality etc are lucrative careers now. You need no talent, expertise or really anything other than to be 1) good looking 2) really rich or, even better, both! Also qualifying now is being the random “real life” friend of a celebrity. It’s insane how much money these people are making. Imagine the number of kids who have the career aspiration to be a “social media star” and get paid thousands to do sponsored posts and get paid to post selfies for a living.  

 

“Your delusionalness needs to be fixed” is fucking classic. But Farrah made a lot of sense in regard to Deb, in her own Farrah way.

Trust me, WAY too many. Long gone are the days of essays written about famous people who actually did shit that anyone walking down the street would know.

I've asked students "how do YouTubers actually earn money?" (I truly still don't understand it) and and they can't even explain how the money is earned, what percentage goes to whom and how/why these "celebs" are so famous. Many students also don't understand that being a "social media star" isn't a real job that doesn't include health insurance, dental plans or require anyone to pay into social security system.

Students who aspire to be a YouTube celeb sadly don't understand that their target niche/audience will eventually dry up when another new trend takes over. They truly believe that since they've been following someone for over a year, that's an example of longevity and that their beloved social media star will still be relevant in the next two years. 

I've actually had to amend some lessons that specifically indicate that social media celebrities may not be mentioned at all in XYZ. Points are taken off if they use the alleged celeb as a source or expert in their assignment. It's not me controlling the topics the students choose; it's me saving their arses from embarrassment and/or failure to complete the assignment.

A few years ago, my 10th graders were "presenting & verbalizing" an argumentative essay via Power Point after having already written several essays during the semester. (Claim, evidence, source, counterclaim, evidence, source - all of that good stuff!) They got to choose the claim, craft an argument and a counterclaim. I wanted to change up the assignment and make it something that didn't require them to have writer's block...and save me from having to grade papers. (I admit it)

I made the mistake of letting a few kids do a presentation based on some "YouTube Celeb" claims because I was trying to be open minded and thought "Maybe I will be proved wrong - bring it on! I will be the first to celebrate!" The students who chose to present on YouTubers didn't even finish 30% of the assignment due to a lack of resources and content, no access to information about the person/topic/claim, and there wasn't anything or another YouTuber/source to refute the original claim. It was a grade A train wreck. I felt so awful for them, but after seven full days of them researching ideal claims/arguments before beginning the project, this was on them. Not one student came to me for help. I never had an e-mail or a request to help anyone during the process. No one ever said "I can't find XYZ" or asked for help because they were struggling. I walked around the room when they were working on their projects, but the majority of it was to be worked on at home. I would have gladly made exceptions to help them succeed if someone truly hit a bump in the road, and talked to me about it, like using a damn YouTuber as the main topic of their final exam of the semester!

Many of the students obsessed with YouTube celebs are the ones who struggle socially and are painfully shy. I understand the whole idea of connecting with someone via the internet (i.e. YouTubers with similar beliefs or interests). They do not have a lot of friends, if any. They hate participating in class, often seem overly emotional and/or exhausted all of the time and are not shy about professing their profound love of sleeping and watching YouTube. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together, but in all seriousness, many of them remind me of Eeyore; they're just there. No one is rude or disrespectful, but you instantly regret asking "How are you?" (I'm so bad!) Sadly, they do not come across as happy people at all and articulate that other than their beloved YouTube idols, no other ideas or topics are exciting or worth talking about. They're almost like programmed robots now that I stop and have a serious think about it. 

 

Adding "delusionalness" to my Farrah Work Salad dictionary. Agree it was a classic! I was seriously waiting for her to start talking about how she doesn't "do hate crimes." 

[Rebecca]

5 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

I am concerned about this poor little unborn baby of Amber's.  I can imagine NewMatt trying to take care of the baby but Psycho Amber having some bizarre, unmedicated mental illness delusion yelling at him that he is doing it wrong.  I hope for the baby's sake the cameras stay around for a little while longer.  At least the TM OG camera crew are people in the house to keep a watch over the situation.

He better get used to her claiming he doesn’t know anything and yelling about how she knows everything regarding babies and children. Even though we all know she barely did anything for Leah as a baby or toddler, then was in the gel and scarcely is involved even now and Leah is 9 at this point. It’s going to piss me off. It already does when she starts going on about taking this seriously and what is needed.

52 minutes ago, Bridget said:

Trust me, WAY too many. Long gone are the days of essays written about famous people who actually did shit that anyone walking down the street would know.

I've asked students "how do YouTubers actually earn money?" (I truly still don't understand it) and and they can't even explain how the money is earned, what percentage goes to whom and how/why these "celebs" are so famous. Many students also don't understand that being a "social media star" isn't a real job that doesn't include health insurance, dental plans or require anyone to pay into social security system.

Students who aspire to be a YouTube celeb sadly don't understand that their target niche/audience will eventually dry up when another new trend takes over. They truly believe that since they've been following someone for over a year, that's an example of longevity and that their beloved social media star will still be relevant in the next two years. 

I've actually had to amend some lessons that specifically indicate that social media celebrities may not be mentioned at all in XYZ. Points are taken off if they use the alleged celeb as a source or expert in their assignment. It's not me controlling the topics the students choose; it's me saving their arses from embarrassment and/or failure to complete the assignment.

A few years ago, my 10th graders were "presenting & verbalizing" an argumentative essay via Power Point after having already written several essays during the semester. (Claim, evidence, source, counterclaim, evidence, source - all of that good stuff!) They got to choose the claim, craft an argument and a counterclaim. I wanted to change up the assignment and make it something that didn't require them to have writer's block...and save me from having to grade papers. (I admit it)

I made the mistake of letting a few kids do a presentation based on some "YouTube Celeb" claims because I was trying to be open minded and thought "Maybe I will be proved wrong - bring it on! I will be the first to celebrate!" The students who chose to present on YouTubers didn't even finish 30% of the assignment due to a lack of resources and content, no access to information about the person/topic/claim, and there wasn't anything or another YouTuber/source to refute the original claim. It was a grade A train wreck. I felt so awful for them, but after seven full days of them researching ideal claims/arguments before beginning the project, this was on them. Not one student came to me for help. I never had an e-mail or a request to help anyone during the process. No one ever said "I can't find XYZ" or asked for help because they were struggling. I walked around the room when they were working on their projects, but the majority of it was to be worked on at home. I would have gladly made exceptions to help them succeed if someone truly hit a bump in the road, and talked to me about it, like using a damn YouTuber as the main topic of their final exam of the semester!

Many of the students obsessed with YouTube celebs are the ones who struggle socially and are painfully shy. I understand the whole idea of connecting with someone via the internet (i.e. YouTubers with similar beliefs or interests). They do not have a lot of friends, if any. They hate participating in class, often seem overly emotional and/or exhausted all of the time and are not shy about professing their profound love of sleeping and watching YouTube. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together, but in all seriousness, many of them remind me of Eeyore; they're just there. No one is rude or disrespectful, but you instantly regret asking "How are you?" (I'm so bad!) Sadly, they do not come across as happy people at all and articulate that other than their beloved YouTube idols, no other ideas or topics are exciting or worth talking about. They're almost like programmed robots now that I stop and have a serious think about it. 

 

Adding "delusionalness" to my Farrah Work Salad dictionary. Agree it was a classic! I was seriously waiting for her to start talking about how she doesn't "do hate crimes." 

I love you. That’s all. Lol.

[usernameG]

Ryan could've stayed with Bentley when Mac took her son home. He's a complete waste of time. And Mac should be ashamed of herself. She should be encouraging him to stay and make an effort with his son.  

Mac married a dude who was wasted and passing out as he was driving....The previews of Ryan walking down the aisle drunk killed me. He has to be wasted to marry her BOTH times. This is not a man that loves her.

Also, he's gotten fat.

Edited February 15, 2018 by usernameG
To say Ryan is fat.

[Jeanne222]

So has Amber had the baby?  I know they tape way before the episodes are shown!

[Soobs]

7 hours ago, BabyDaddy said:

I remember back a while when I was lurking (back on TWOP?)  many of the ladies were drooling over Ryan. Ok, I'm a dude, so I didn't really get what is so hawt about that guy, but whatever - interesting to know what turns on some ladies. He was dumb as rock back then, but I guess us guys have our bimbos - maybe he was just your "mimbo" equivalent. Anyway, consider yourselves as all having dodged a major bullet !!! :D

btw if I were to speculate, maybe this whole relationship is Mackenzie's final Hail Mary Pass, i.e. after losing face amongst her friends (most likely frenemies) with the first baby daddy , maybe she hopes she can just nurture Ryan back to hawtness  and come out #1 afterall. 

I have to say the house of Ryan's parents that is next to the water looks pretty sweet. And I'm not even a redneck.

I believe the term is himbo and yes, Ryan was one. Was being the operative word. Definitely one of those guys who peaked in high school.

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

So has Amber had the baby?  I know they tape way before the episodes are shown!

No, not until May 13th, supposedly. Some of us expect the baby to be "premature."

[GreatKazu]

When Farrah again mentioned Jenelle having called her, I wondered, has there ever been any beef between those two?

5 hours ago, Bridget said:

Trust me, WAY too many. Long gone are the days of essays written about famous people who actually did shit that anyone walking down the street would know.

I've asked students "how do YouTubers actually earn money?" (I truly still don't understand it) and and they can't even explain how the money is earned, what percentage goes to whom and how/why these "celebs" are so famous. Many students also don't understand that being a "social media star" isn't a real job that doesn't include health insurance, dental plans or require anyone to pay into social security system.

Students who aspire to be a YouTube celeb sadly don't understand that their target niche/audience will eventually dry up when another new trend takes over. They truly believe that since they've been following someone for over a year, that's an example of longevity and that their beloved social media star will still be relevant in the next two years. 

I've actually had to amend some lessons that specifically indicate that social media celebrities may not be mentioned at all in XYZ. Points are taken off if they use the alleged celeb as a source or expert in their assignment. It's not me controlling the topics the students choose; it's me saving their arses from embarrassment and/or failure to complete the assignment.

A few years ago, my 10th graders were "presenting & verbalizing" an argumentative essay via Power Point after having already written several essays during the semester. (Claim, evidence, source, counterclaim, evidence, source - all of that good stuff!) They got to choose the claim, craft an argument and a counterclaim. I wanted to change up the assignment and make it something that didn't require them to have writer's block...and save me from having to grade papers. (I admit it)

I made the mistake of letting a few kids do a presentation based on some "YouTube Celeb" claims because I was trying to be open minded and thought "Maybe I will be proved wrong - bring it on! I will be the first to celebrate!" The students who chose to present on YouTubers didn't even finish 30% of the assignment due to a lack of resources and content, no access to information about the person/topic/claim, and there wasn't anything or another YouTuber/source to refute the original claim. It was a grade A train wreck. I felt so awful for them, but after seven full days of them researching ideal claims/arguments before beginning the project, this was on them. Not one student came to me for help. I never had an e-mail or a request to help anyone during the process. No one ever said "I can't find XYZ" or asked for help because they were struggling. I walked around the room when they were working on their projects, but the majority of it was to be worked on at home. I would have gladly made exceptions to help them succeed if someone truly hit a bump in the road, and talked to me about it, like using a damn YouTuber as the main topic of their final exam of the semester!

Many of the students obsessed with YouTube celebs are the ones who struggle socially and are painfully shy. I understand the whole idea of connecting with someone via the internet (i.e. YouTubers with similar beliefs or interests). They do not have a lot of friends, if any. They hate participating in class, often seem overly emotional and/or exhausted all of the time and are not shy about professing their profound love of sleeping and watching YouTube. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together, but in all seriousness, many of them remind me of Eeyore; they're just there. No one is rude or disrespectful, but you instantly regret asking "How are you?" (I'm so bad!) Sadly, they do not come across as happy people at all and articulate that other than their beloved YouTube idols, no other ideas or topics are exciting or worth talking about. They're almost like programmed robots now that I stop and have a serious think about it. 

 

Adding "delusionalness" to my Farrah Work Salad dictionary. Agree it was a classic! I was seriously waiting for her to start talking about how she doesn't "do hate crimes." 

You are amazing.

[teapot]

14 hours ago, Bridget said:

Trust me, WAY too many. Long gone are the days of essays written about famous people who actually did shit that anyone walking down the street would know.

I've asked students "how do YouTubers actually earn money?" (I truly still don't understand it) and and they can't even explain how the money is earned, what percentage goes to whom and how/why these "celebs" are so famous. Many students also don't understand that being a "social media star" isn't a real job that doesn't include health insurance, dental plans or require anyone to pay into social security system.

Students who aspire to be a YouTube celeb sadly don't understand that their target niche/audience will eventually dry up when another new trend takes over. They truly believe that since they've been following someone for over a year, that's an example of longevity and that their beloved social media star will still be relevant in the next two years. 

I've actually had to amend some lessons that specifically indicate that social media celebrities may not be mentioned at all in XYZ. Points are taken off if they use the alleged celeb as a source or expert in their assignment. It's not me controlling the topics the students choose; it's me saving their arses from embarrassment and/or failure to complete the assignment.

A few years ago, my 10th graders were "presenting & verbalizing" an argumentative essay via Power Point after having already written several essays during the semester. (Claim, evidence, source, counterclaim, evidence, source - all of that good stuff!) They got to choose the claim, craft an argument and a counterclaim. I wanted to change up the assignment and make it something that didn't require them to have writer's block...and save me from having to grade papers. (I admit it)

I made the mistake of letting a few kids do a presentation based on some "YouTube Celeb" claims because I was trying to be open minded and thought "Maybe I will be proved wrong - bring it on! I will be the first to celebrate!" The students who chose to present on YouTubers didn't even finish 30% of the assignment due to a lack of resources and content, no access to information about the person/topic/claim, and there wasn't anything or another YouTuber/source to refute the original claim. It was a grade A train wreck. I felt so awful for them, but after seven full days of them researching ideal claims/arguments before beginning the project, this was on them. Not one student came to me for help. I never had an e-mail or a request to help anyone during the process. No one ever said "I can't find XYZ" or asked for help because they were struggling. I walked around the room when they were working on their projects, but the majority of it was to be worked on at home. I would have gladly made exceptions to help them succeed if someone truly hit a bump in the road, and talked to me about it, like using a damn YouTuber as the main topic of their final exam of the semester!

Many of the students obsessed with YouTube celebs are the ones who struggle socially and are painfully shy. I understand the whole idea of connecting with someone via the internet (i.e. YouTubers with similar beliefs or interests). They do not have a lot of friends, if any. They hate participating in class, often seem overly emotional and/or exhausted all of the time and are not shy about professing their profound love of sleeping and watching YouTube. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together, but in all seriousness, many of them remind me of Eeyore; they're just there. No one is rude or disrespectful, but you instantly regret asking "How are you?" (I'm so bad!) Sadly, they do not come across as happy people at all and articulate that other than their beloved YouTube idols, no other ideas or topics are exciting or worth talking about. They're almost like programmed robots now that I stop and have a serious think about it. 

 

Adding "delusionalness" to my Farrah Work Salad dictionary. Agree it was a classic! I was seriously waiting for her to start talking about how she doesn't "do hate crimes." 

that's such a bummer that they're so apathetic at such a young age.  I'm reading a lot about the effects of social media etc on teens, most of it isn't good.

  selfishly I'm glad that my only child is 27, he'd AIM his cousins but that's about it! My five-year-old niece & nephew have been ipad savvy since they were two.

 

also, hon, that's "have hate crimes." Get it straight!  :-)

[kira28]

On 2/13/2018 at 9:08 AM, ginger90 said:

 

Hell has frozen over because I really felt sorry for tyler

 His addict father and sister are destroying the free house he lets them live in. His selfish pice of shit father expects him to shell out 48 000 for 3 months of treatment. And bitch expects to be there 6 months! That's insane. No way in hell would I do that for that loser. 

They should remove Ryan and MacKenzie from the show. Adam is no longer on tm2. Ryan sees Bentley 5 minutes a month. I fast forward thru their whining. Tm is now just a bunch of addicts and alcoholics.  Butch Cait Tyler's sister, April, Amber, Janelle and David  and maci and Taylor. Probably Deb. Congrats to Gary Kristina Farrah Jo vee and kail  and Javi for being the only sober people on the two shows. 

Cait looks five years away from bring April's twin. I think the best things for everyone involved is to cancel this shit show. The tm girls are boring. And the money only encourages more kids that will be neglected when they are born and losers seeking these girls out to mooch off them. If they won't cancel the show at least stop filming Deb, Ryan Mckenzie and Amber. Focus on the real parents like Gary and his wife, maci and Taylor and show Bentley with Larry and  Jen. I know they fired Farrah which was dumb. She's the only one who had any ambition. 

[GreatKazu]

36 minutes ago, kira28 said:

 

Cait looks five years away from bring April's twin. 

She is there already. The only difference is the weight:

 

[charmed1]

When Butch was walking around with that candelabra, he sounded exactly how my uncle sounds right after he’s finished “partying” with his buddies. I suspect Butch was celebrating his last hurrah before rehab when Tyler picked him up.