S08.E17: In Sod We Trust

[Booted]

15 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

Jenelle and UBT chased Barb through a parking lot, UBT shoving a phone in her face while accusing her of being drunk. Barb didn't yell at them. She got the kids into the car and went home. Then, Jenelle and UBT went to HER home and pounded on the doors and windows for an hour. Barb ignored them and they called the police and lied to them. I think you're spot on that UBT has menaced Barb and undoubtedly, others. 

Barb didnt yell at them ? Yes she did - she kept yelling that she was not drunk or drinking more than one drink. I have seen Barb drinking wine on the show on many occasion and from the last reunion show the accusation was that the party was shut down because of the grandparents and some bad behavior on their part. I have to wonder if Barb was part of that?

I have a mother who is now fighting alcoholism and it has affected my life deeply so I may be more judgemental when it comes to drinking but I dont think it shows much responsibility to drink when driving with children in your car or when watching them - at all. Why would you ?I might give her a pass if she were at home and the children were in bed but this was not the case. And what did the kids think when Barb was back at house not answering the door to Jenelle and David ? That had to be weird to them and she showed no coping ability to stop that from happening - by either answering to them or calling the police herself but who sits inside ignoring someone knocking for an hour?

[GreatKazu]

How is that sod doing in real time? 

[FairyDusted]

Well have we seen a photo of Janyell and kids TODAY?

[TheRealT]

10 minutes ago, Booted said:

Barb didnt yell at them ? Yes she did - she kept yelling that she was not drunk or drinking more than one drink. I have seen Barb drinking wine on the show on many occasion and from the last reunion show the accusation was that the party was shut down because of the grandparents and some bad behavior on their part. I have to wonder if Barb was part of that?

I have a mother who is now fighting alcoholism and it has affected my life deeply so I may be more judgemental when it comes to drinking but I dont think it shows much responsibility to drink when driving with children in your car or when watching them - at all. Why would you ?I might give her a pass if she were at home and the children were in bed but this was not the case. And what did the kids think when Barb was back at house not answering the door to Jenelle and David ? That had to be weird to them and she showed no coping ability to stop that from happening - by either answering to them or calling the police herself but who sits inside ignoring someone knocking for an hour?

You know, I never realized it before, but you're right. Jenelle and UBT are awesome, upstanding citizens and Barb is the one who's dangerous and fucked up. It's amazing how a lowly Walmart deli worker has successfully manipulated the narrative this way. Obviously, Jenelle and UBT are paragons of sobriety. Yes, Jenelle was shooting heroin on national TV, went to rehab, relapsed on TV, and was documented smoking weed while she was pregnant, but that's all bullshit. As Jenelle and UBT bravely revealed with their gonzo video, the real substance abuse problem in the family is Barb and her drinking!

[Booted]

13 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

You know, I never realized it before, but you're right. Jenelle and UBT are awesome, upstanding citizens and Barb is the one who's dangerous and fucked up. It's amazing how a lowly Walmart deli worker has successfully manipulated the narrative this way. Obviously, Jenelle and UBT are paragons of sobriety. Yes, Jenelle was shooting heroin on national TV, went to rehab, relapsed on TV, and was documented smoking weed while she was pregnant, but that's all bullshit. As Jenelle and UBT bravely revealed with their gonzo video, the real substance abuse problem in the family is Barb and her drinking!

I am not saying that she is BUT she definitely has been a huge part of the problem a lot of the time with Jenelle and her interactions and relationship. She is not a saint because she has Jace or because Jenelle is her daughter. You know I wonder why Barb never thought about not letting the show continue to shoot her under 18yrs old daughter but instead not shooting and getting her some of the help she so needed ?

That might have shown some caring on her part about her daughter and the direction she was going IMO

[crazychicken]

29 minutes ago, Booted said:

Barb didnt yell at them ? Yes she did - she kept yelling that she was not drunk or drinking more than one drink. I have seen Barb drinking wine on the show on many occasion and from the last reunion show the accusation was that the party was shut down because of the grandparents and some bad behavior on their part. I have to wonder if Barb was part of that?

I have a mother who is now fighting alcoholism and it has affected my life deeply so I may be more judgemental when it comes to drinking but I dont think it shows much responsibility to drink when driving with children in your car or when watching them - at all. Why would you ?I might give her a pass if she were at home and the children were in bed but this was not the case. And what did the kids think when Barb was back at house not answering the door to Jenelle and David ? That had to be weird to them and she showed no coping ability to stop that from happening - by either answering to them or calling the police herself but who sits inside ignoring someone knocking for an hour?

If somebody chased me & filmed me while I was having dinner with my family & friends to try and prove I was drunk and then turned up at my house to start another arguement I would hide too. Barb can't do anything right if she opened to door there would have been a screaming match if she ignores them she has no coping skills. I would have called it not engaging in a pointless arguement.

 

I think the better question is who knocks on sonebodies door for an hour.

[Booted]

Just now, crazychicken said:

If somebody chased me & filmed me while I was having dinner with my family & friends to try and prove I was drunk and then turned up at my house to start another arguement I would hide too. Barb can't do anything right if she opened to door there would have been a screaming match if she ignores them she has no coping skills. I would have called it not engaging in a pointless arguement.

 

I think the better question is who knocks on sonebodies door for an hour.

She should of called the police if she was afraid of them. Why didnt she?

[SheTalksShit]

2 hours ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

Wait, wait, wait. Hold up! Devoin comes from money? I always just thought he came from a similar family as Brianna, one that struggled. I want to know if this is true because if it is, that really makes Devoin and his family assholes for not making sure Nova had what she needs. 

Same here! I thought the same thing as you did, so I thought, "oh, he doesn't know any better, no one showed him how to be a dad," not in a sympathetic, "make excuses for him" kind of way, really, just an "it is what it is," matter-of-fact kind of way, if that makes sense. Like I felt like I knew what was wrong with him, why this whole thing was a struggle for him. But if both his parents raised him and they've got money, that changes things, bc then I'm like, "ok, so what's wrong with him, then?" 

7 minutes ago, Booted said:

She should of called the police if she was afraid of them. Why didnt she?

IIRC, I think she told them she was calling the police, so they left. Someone else can confirm or correct me if I'm not remembering accurately. 

[crazychicken]

5 minutes ago, Booted said:

She should of called the police if she was afraid of them. Why didnt she?

Maybe she did not want to escalate the situation, maybe she didn't want Jace to see his mom escorted away by the police. I do not know the reason she did not call the cops but the people acting badly were Janelle & UBT who did not leave the property when it was obvious Barb was not wanting to engage in an argument.

[GreatKazu]

I don't think it was ever mentioned Devoin's family has money.

As Mama Dawn says, "That don't make no sense."

[crazychicken]

3 minutes ago, SheTalksShit said:

Same here! I thought the same thing as you did, so I thought, "oh, he doesn't know any better, no one showed him how to be a dad," not in a sympathetic, "make excuses for him" kind of way, really, just an "it is what it is," matter-of-fact kind of way, if that makes sense. Like I felt like I knew what was wrong with him, why this whole thing was a struggle for him. But if both his parents raised him and they've got money, that changes things, bc then I'm like, "ok, so what's wrong with him, then?" 

IIRC, I think she told them she was calling the police, so they left. Someone else can confirm or correct me if I'm not remembering accurately. 

No UBT/Chinelle  called the police for a 'welfare' check because they were worried about Barb.

[SheTalksShit]

50 minutes ago, Booted said:

Barb didnt yell at them ? Yes she did - she kept yelling that she was not drunk or drinking more than one drink. I have seen Barb drinking wine on the show on many occasion and from the last reunion show the accusation was that the party was shut down because of the grandparents and some bad behavior on their part. I have to wonder if Barb was part of that?

I have a mother who is now fighting alcoholism and it has affected my life deeply so I may be more judgemental when it comes to drinking but I dont think it shows much responsibility to drink when driving with children in your car or when watching them - at all. Why would you ?I might give her a pass if she were at home and the children were in bed but this was not the case. And what did the kids think when Barb was back at house not answering the door to Jenelle and David ? That had to be weird to them and she showed no coping ability to stop that from happening - by either answering to them or calling the police herself but who sits inside ignoring someone knocking for an hour?

She had ONE SIP of wine. Even Jenelle didn't dispute that, she just goes, "yeah, that's still drinking!" 

But the concern about someone DRINKING while driving is that they'll be impaired, which a sip of wine is NOT gonna do to anyone, so it makes her fake and totally transparent "concern" moot. 

[Booted]

1 minute ago, crazychicken said:

Maybe she did not want to escalate the situation, maybe she didn't want Jace to see his mom escorted away by the police. I do not know the reason she did not call the cops but the people acting badly were Janelle & UBT who did not leave the property when it was obvious Barb was not wanting to engage in an argument.

I think she did not call because she was drunk and didnt want to deal with the police. She was afraid of what they would say about her driving with the kids just before that. And Jenelle and David probably called because for all they knew she passed out and the kids were in there.

Just think of what Barb was telling the kids in the house when they were knocking and how scared they must of been?  How she handled it did not make those kids feel safe and that the adult was in charge and would keep them all safe which is her job to do. Yea she was not worried about how Jace was seeing his mother at that point.

[GreatKazu]

Why didn't Jenelle call the police if Barb was drunk driving?

Because Barb was not drunk.

lol

[sandwoman]

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She should of called the police if she was afraid of them. Why didnt she?

I believe Barb has been reluctant to call the police on Jenelle in other situations. I might be remembering this wrong, but I think there was a situation at the last reunion where Jenelle and David took Jace and the police were called but Barb refused to press charges. Am I remembering this right? I don't want to go down a rabbit hole of googling Barb, Jenelle and police... But anyway, there are lots of reasons to be reluctant to call the police on your daughter.

@Booted I agree that Barb is no saint. Who is?? But so much of how we see Jenelle and Barb can be shaped by people in our own lives. Perhaps you look at Barb and see your mother. I look at Barb and her struggle with Jenelle and see my grandmother who was severely emotionally abused by my aunt. My aunt would yell at my grandmother viciously - in person and over the phone - all the time. Would say that she had no mother and then berate my grandmother for not paying enough attention to her. It was horrible. My grandmother would cry but she could never really break things off with her daughter, no matter if she knew better. And hey, obviously I'm biased in that situation but I see a similar pattern with Barb and Jenelle. Now my grandmother's gone and my aunt talks about her all the time as if they always got along. Weirdly, I think if anything happened to Barb (and if David was out of the picture), Jenelle would talk every day about how she misses her mom. Ucchh.

 

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Yea she was not worried about how Jace was seeing his mother at that point.

How do you suggest Barb could have deescalated the situation? And Jenelle herself is responsible for how Jace would have seen and heard her behave that night.

Edited November 2, 2017 by sandwoman

[SheTalksShit]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Why didn't Jenelle call the police if Barb was drunk driving?

Because Barb was not drunk.

lol

Exactly! LOL. Jenelle's always been like crystal clear glass to me, I can see right through her. She's such an obvious person, it didn't even occur to me that other people (besides her boyfriends/husbands) might actually buy into her bullshit!

[GreatKazu]

1 minute ago, SheTalksShit said:

Exactly! LOL. Jenelle's always been like crystal clear glass to me, I can see right through her. She's such an obvious person, it didn't even occur to me that other people (besides her boyfriends/husbands) might actually buy into her bullshit!

Yep. 

Jenelle should be in jail for smoking weed while pregnant. Poor Eggsley. She has a head shaped like a missile and her system is full of THC. 

[Bridget]

1 hour ago, Booted said:

I have a mother who is now fighting alcoholism and it has affected my life deeply

While the addict in your family might differ from the addict in mine, and the one who is Jenelle, please allow me to share some realities with you. 

I've got a twin brother who has been addicted to marijuana since we were 12. And like yourself, my life has been affected deeply for the last few decades as a result of his problems. He's also got mental illnesses that he hasn't dealt with (because you can't force someone to get help), in addition to have never having had a job or moved out. That's right - never worked a day in his life or paid taxes, yet he has a "home office" (he really calls it that!), like Jenelle where he shops online with his EBT card that he obtained through lying to the state on his application for food stamps. He still lives with my mom as he has done since the day we were born. He has assaulted both myself and my mother and the police could not do a thing because he didn't leave anyone with broken bones, blood dripping or visible bruises. You should've seen my arm 24 hours after the incident. It was 90 degrees that week and I had to wear long sleeves to work so I didn't have to explain to teenagers that my brother is a combination of Jenelle and David. 

If he were a teen mom and on this show, he'd be identical to Jenelle. God help us ALL!

I've seen my mom attempt to deal with him and failed many, many times since we were 12 (including some of the following, but not all) and I can assure you that NONE of the following things:

1. You cannot help an addict who does not want help.

2. You cannot fix them by praying, wishing, hoping or enabling them.

3. Ignoring people who act like Jenelle/my brother is the ONLY thing to do because there's no such thing as a brief exchange of words, especially when dealing with those who have narcissistic personalities. They do not have the power or self control to do anything a "sober" person would do because it's just not how their minds work.

4. Interventions are not always successful, especially when the person who needs help is 18 or older. They don't love anything but the fuel that feeds their addiction(s).

so I may be more judgemental when it comes to drinking but I dont think it shows much responsibility to drink when driving with children in your car or when watching them - at all.

The same thing has been said about people under the influence of marijuana, which everyone knows was Jenelle's first love. It also wasn't legal when she was smoking it so publicly on TV. She was in violation of the law any time she was presumably with Jace, even if she was "sobering up."

I might give her a pass if she were at home and the children were in bed but this was not the case.

God forbid there was an emergency and she had to be coherent enough to act quickly - wouldn't happen. She'd be impaired and her reflexes not as fast as they should be to deal with possible accidents/emergencies.

 And what did the kids think when Barb was back at house not answering the door to Jenelle and David ?

That Jenelle & David should have been laying the sod at THAT TIME, and it's just another night of crazy in their world. Same crazy, different day.

she showed no coping ability to stop that from happening

Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean Barb should've had some non-existent magic trick up her sleeve that she's not used until now and miraculously cured her daughter?

who sits inside ignoring someone knocking for an hour?

Someone who is done with being harassed for no reason at all when they are in their OWN home, not bothering anyone or looking for trouble, and are most likely trying to stay strong for the 20386346th time because they know what is on the other side of that door: another friggin argument about nothing of importance at all. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Bridget
grammar!

[Fosca]

1 hour ago, Booted said:

You know I wonder why Barb never thought about not letting the show continue to shoot her under 18yrs old daughter but instead not shooting and getting her some of the help she so needed ?

Because by the time her "16 and pregnant" episode had aired, Jenelle had turned 18, thus Barb had no control over the show "continuing" to film her for "Teen Mom 2".  She turned 18 when Jace was four months old.

[poopchute]

If a crazy person wanted to pound on my door for an hour, that’s their decision. I don’t think Barb should have to get the police involved in a situation like that. She was safe inside her home and people outside her home were acting like lunatics. I would have done the same. She probably understands that the police have better things to do than come escort a crazy screaming person off her property. Let her scream. Jenelle chose to behave that way. I don’t think other people should have to stop what they are doing just because a crazy piece of shit is carrying on like a clown in their yard.

[Sprockets]

9 hours ago, HeySandyStrange said:

dentistry was a white collar field were you can earn a good living.

I agree.  As I said, it's all a matter of definition.  

[CaliforniaLove]

Oh gee, there were a couple of moments in Jace's young life where Jenelle acted like an engaged parent, and SHOCK of SHOCKS!!...it JUST SO HAPPENED to be captured on video. Please.

[ReadMeLattice]

While I like Barb and think she is fundamentally a good person, I don't stan her as hard as some others here. I think she is pretty deeply flawed, more than the average person, but I think she has a good heart. 

However, it was absolutely not wrong for Barb to drink at the restaurant. My husband and I go out to dinner with our baby and often each have a glass of wine while eating. He's the only one who can drive our wheelchair van so I never have to drive, so sometimes I have two and he sticks with one. Then we go home and put the baby to bed. We are not impaired in any way. We are adults, so is Barb. It is legal. Making drinking overly taboo around kids is exactly what leads so many of them in the U.S. to binge drink. 

I doubt Barb had a sip, I bet she had a glass. And there's nothing wrong with that. People have been drinking wine and beer for a very long time and children have always been around it at the dinner table or family parties. They only caused drama about the wine because they wanted something to be there that was not. Jenelle and David are extremely transparent. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Lm2162

[lovesnark]

3 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

While I like Barb and think she is fundamentally a good person, I don't stan her as hard as some others here. I think she is pretty deeply flawed, more than the average person, but I think she has a good heart. 

However, it was absolutely not wrong for Barb to drink at the restaurant. My husband and I go out to dinner with our baby and often each have a glass of wine while eating. He's the only one who can drive our wheelchair van so I never have to drive, so sometimes I have two and he sticks with one. Then we go home and put the baby to bed. We are not impaired in any way. We are adults, so is Barb. It is legal. Making drinking overly taboo around kids is exactly what leads so many of them in the U.S. to binge drink. 

I doubt Barb had a sip, I bet she had a glass. And there's nothing wrong with that. They only caused drama about the wine because they wanted something to be there that was not.

This. We've seen footage of Jenelle and UBT having a beer at a restaurant with the kids, too. When Barb was telling Kristen the ass kisser about it, she said the waitress had just brought all the drinks to the table and she hadn't even had time to have more than a drink of her wine before the lunatics showed up. The absurdity of them doing this while knowing their infant was subjected to THC constantly in utero really illustrates how out of touch with reality they both are. When they met Barb at a restaurant to tell her and Jace that Jenelle was pregnant with Endtable, Barb ordered a glass of wine and neither of them said a word about it. I agree with you that Barb is flawed. But, she seems to recognize it. And, she does have a heart and is able to empathize with others. Something Jenelle is incapable of. Jenelle only feels for Jenelle.

[ReadMeLattice]

4 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

This. We've seen footage of Jenelle and UBT having a beer at a restaurant with the kids, too. When Barb was telling Kristen the ass kisser about it, she said the waitress had just brought all the drinks to the table and she hadn't even had time to have more than a drink of her wine before the lunatics showed up. The absurdity of them doing this while knowing their infant was subjected to THC constantly in utero really illustrates how out of touch with reality they both are. When they met Barb at a restaurant to tell her and Jace that Jenelle was pregnant with Endtable, Barb ordered a glass of wine and neither of them said a word about it. I agree with you that Barb is flawed. But, she seems to recognize it. And, she does have a heart and is able to empathize with others. Something Jenelle is incapable of. Jenelle only feels for Jenelle.

Most people I know who drink at least sometimes do so in front of their children. Not doing so ever is a fairly conservative choice. Jenelle and David are anything but prudish or stringent in their choices. It is clear that they were manufacturing the "concern."

Edited November 2, 2017 by Lm2162

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

Same here! I thought the same thing as you did, so I thought, "oh, he doesn't know any better, no one showed him how to be a dad," not in a sympathetic, "make excuses for him" kind of way, really, just an "it is what it is," matter-of-fact kind of way, if that makes sense. Like I felt like I knew what was wrong with him, why this whole thing was a struggle for him. But if both his parents raised him and they've got money, that changes things, bc then I'm like, "ok, so what's wrong with him, then?" 

 

The phrase “has money” is relative. From what I recall both of Devon’s parents are working professionals with disposable income, and THEY are still supporting the grown ass man that is Devon. It seems his parents are embarrassed by him (looks like he’s the loser of the family) and his choice in “baby momma” that is Briana. While morally I think they should be bigger people and grandparents to Nova (NOT financially support her, that’s not their job but act as loving grandparents), they choose not to engage with Briana or Nova. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

9 hours ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

Um even the worst parent can pose for some pics and videos playing with their kid. It doesn't mean Jenelle was taking care of Jace all the time. It means she spent a few minutes alone with him, playing mommy before she was off partying again with her latest loser boyfriend. 

Exactly.

SEE: Casey Anthony. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

28 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

The phrase “has money” is relative. From what I recall both of Devon’s parents are working professionals with disposable income, and THEY are still supporting the grown ass man that is Devon. It seems his parents are embarrassed by him (looks like he’s the loser of the family) and his choice in “baby momma” that is Briana. While morally I think they should be bigger people and grandparents to Nova (NOT financially support her, that’s not their job but act as loving grandparents), they choose not to engage with Briana or Nova. 

Is Devoin the one from a 16&P years ago whose family gave him a king-themed baby shower for the guys in his family to attend? (Like a diaper party but where Devoin wore a crown and stuff....I'm not sure if it was Devoin or someone else.)

Do we know for sure Devoin's parents aren't involved with Nova? Maybe they just don't want to be on camera. Maybe they help out with bills, etc. Maybe they'd love to babysit but the coven won't let Nova stay with any non-witches. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for a second because I feel like if they just didn't want to be on camera but were helping out somehow (like Adam Lind's parents did for Aubree in the earlier seasons before we knew about them because they ended up having to supervise Adam's visits, etc...) Briana wouldn't nevessarily mention their help. It would ruin her whole "woe is me" single mom "doing it all alone because men are all awful and leave me with babies" routine. I don't think she'd be tweeting about how much help she got from Devoin's family even if she did get help. 

[TimeToCancelTM]

7 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I don't think it was ever mentioned Devoin's family has money.

As Mama Dawn says, "That don't make no sense."

I never heard of that either, but it really doesnt change anything because riiiine's family has money and he's still a deadbeat.

[GreatKazu]

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Do we know for sure Devoin's parents aren't involved with Nova?

Going by Briana, Devoin's mother hasn't seen her grandchild or been involved. When she made that statement, I believe she said it to Devoin. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Scarlett45]

7 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Going by Briana, Devoin's mother hasn't seen her grandchild or been involved. When she made that statement, I believe she said it to Devoin. 

Correct- Devion’s Mother isn’t a part of Nova’s life, even in a typical grandparent way (visits, outings, Birthday/Xmas gifts- not speaking to paying bills or life expenses). Nor are Devion’s sisters involved as Aunts- this looks to me as if they are embarrassed by Devion and like to pretend he and his poor choices don’t exist (Devion’s poor choice was Briana, NOT Nova). No it’s not fair that Nova is deprived of these relationships (if they were to be loving and healthy), and however she feels about her paternal extended family in the future is HER right. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Scarlett45

[Mr. Miner]

Devoid's parents probably got a little taste of the coven and said "you're on your own son", we don't want any part of this.

[CaliforniaLove]

4 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Correct- Devion’s Mother isn’t a part of Nova’s life, even in a typical grandparent way (visits, outings, Birthday/Xmas gifts- not speaking to paying bills or life expenses). Nor are Devion’s sisters involved as Aunts- this looks to me as if they are embarrassed by Devion and like to pretend he and his poor choices don’t exist (Devion’s poor choice was Briana, NOT Nova).

Wow, they sound like really stand up people. 

[ReadMeLattice]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

Devoid's parents probably got a little taste of the coven and said "you're on your own son", we don't want any part of this.

I think it's just as likely they can't stand their deadbeat son. 

And while that's their right, hating their worthless son or his trashy baby mama is a pretty heartless reason not to involve themselves at all with their grandchild. If I was a murderer on Death Row my in-laws would still want to see my daughter. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Lm2162

[Mr. Miner]

4 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I think it's just as likely they can't stand their deadbeat son. 

And while that's their right, hating their worthless son or his trashy baby mama is a pretty heartless reason not to involve themselves at all with their grandchild. 

Agreed, Devoid walks around like he's brain dead and I don't think that will ever change. 

[ReadMeLattice]

I will say I don't despise the coven nearly as much as some others. They are INSANELY irritating and grating to watch on screen but they're some of the few people on this show with jobs and without any arrests for multiple forms of abuse and DUIs. So even though every time Briana and Roxanne speak it's like nails on a chalkboard and I desperately want to tell them to shut up, I won't ever hate them like I do the others except for Chelsea. Nova is well taken care of and it seems Stella is too and all three women appear to actually work at jobs that don't involve Instagram. 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Lm2162

[BitterApple]

2 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

While I like Barb and think she is fundamentally a good person, I don't stan her as hard as some others here. I think she is pretty deeply flawed, more than the average person, but I think she has a good heart. 

 

I agree. I like Barb, but to me, she's the lesser of two evils. I believe she does the best she can to the extent of her abilities, but she's an emotionally damaged woman herself and she's just as addicted to the drama as Jenelle is. If I was on my death bed and had to pick a Teen Mom cast member to raise my child, Barb would not make the short list.

I also agree she didn't just have a sip of wine. I don't think she was drunk, but it was as you said, she probably had a glass at dinner like many normal adults do. I don't think the kids were ever in danger.

[ReadMeLattice]

3 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. I like Barb, but to me, she's the lesser of two evils. I believe she does the best she can to the extent of her abilities, but she's an emotionally damaged woman herself and she's just as addicted to the drama as Jenelle is. If I was on my death bed and had to pick a Teen Mom cast member to raise my child, Barb would not make the short list.

I also agree she didn't just have a sip of wine. I don't think she was drunk, but it was as you said, she probably had a glass at dinner like many normal adults do. I don't think the kids were ever in danger.

This. And I also get why she may have called a glass a sip, if she did...I would likely have done the same thing if backed into a defensive position by two very unstable, angry people threatening to take my child away or get me arrested.

Edited November 2, 2017 by Lm2162

[Scarlett45]

2 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I will say I don't despise the coven nearly as much as some others. They are INSANELY irritating and grating to watch on screen but they're some of the few people on this show with jobs and without any arrests for multiple forms of abuse and DUIs. So even though every time Briana and Roxanne speak it's like nails on a chalkboard and I desperately want to tell them to shut up, I won't ever hate them like I do the others except for Chelsea. Nova is well taken care of and it seems Stella is too and all three women appear to actually work at jobs that don't involve Instagram. 

I agree with you whole heartedly. While I don’t agree with some of the life choices and communication styles of these women (Brittany is fine, not my cup of tea but she isn’t the attention whore Briana is, she seems to be the peace maker of the family), ALL of them are employed, not involved with drugs or illegal activities, are not domestic abusers (to our knowledge- unlike Kailyn). Briana reminds me of Leah without the marriages,  “luck” of baby daddies like Corey and Jeremy (Leah did luck out with Corey, pick up truck conception was the same level as the club conception), AND without a pill problem. Granted that may because she had to work for a living (unlike the other TM2 girls) because she wasn’t rolling in money, AND Roxanne seems like the type who would beat down her child if she brought drugs into the home. 

Thats what’s frustrating though. I think Briana COULD get it together if she would pull her head out of her behind and lead a pretty productive life. She may be one of those people who at 35-40 realize how she wasted the years of her youth being an idiot and “find purpose”. Who knows. 

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1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree with you whole heartedly. While I don’t agree with some of the life choices and communication styles of these women (Brittany is fine, not my cup of tea but she isn’t the attention whore Briana is, she seems to be the peace maker of the family), ALL of them are employed, not involved with drugs or illegal activities, are not domestic abusers (to our knowledge- unlike Kailyn). Briana reminds me of Leah without the marriages,  “luck” of baby daddies like Corey and Jeremy (Leah did luck out with Corey, pick up truck conception was the same level as the club conception), AND without a pill problem. Granted that may because she had to work for a living (unlike the other TM2 girls) because she wasn’t rolling in money, AND Roxanne seems like the type who would beat down her child if she brought drugs into the home. 

Thats what’s frustrating though. I think Briana COULD get it together if she would pull her head out of her behind and lead a pretty productive life. She may be one of those people who at 35-40 realize how she wasted the years of her youth being an idiot and “find purpose”. Who knows. 

Yes. Roxanne has absolutely projected her daddy issues onto her kids. But there is a major difference between making dumb, but legal, choices like getting a deadbeat baby daddy, and being irritating as hell, vs. being lazy, unproductive, abusive and neglectful. The plastic surgery is foolish and Roxanne would drive me nuts after an hour, but they are not lazy women, they would NEVER tolerate the children or themselves being abused like Jenelle does, I couldn't see them being medically neglectful or getting on pills like Leah, and they aren't abusive like Kail.

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Why in the heck does Nova need after school care anyway?

 

Brianna doesn't work.  And I don't believe Devoin does either.  

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1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Going by Briana, Devoin's mother hasn't seen her grandchild or been involved. When she made that statement, I believe she said it to Devoin. 

 

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

Correct- Devion’s Mother isn’t a part of Nova’s life, even in a typical grandparent way (visits, outings, Birthday/Xmas gifts- not speaking to paying bills or life expenses). Nor are Devion’s sisters involved as Aunts- this looks to me as if they are embarrassed by Devion and like to pretend he and his poor choices don’t exist (Devion’s poor choice was Briana, NOT Nova). No it’s not fair that Nova is deprived of these relationships (if they were to be loving and healthy), and however she feels about her paternal extended family in the future is HER right. 

Thank for filling me in. That is really sad for Nova. What trash (just like Jenelle's ex Andrew's family who doesn't see Jace/help Barb with him...I know it's not there responsibility to do so, but UGH). 

52 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

Agreed, Devoid walks around like he's brain dead and I don't think that will ever change. 

Well....that kinda made him perfect for Briana....cause the girl is bricks. Trashy, slutty bricks...but bricks.

49 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I will say I don't despise the coven nearly as much as some others. They are INSANELY irritating and grating to watch on screen but they're some of the few people on this show with jobs and without any arrests for multiple forms of abuse and DUIs. So even though every time Briana and Roxanne speak it's like nails on a chalkboard and I desperately want to tell them to shut up, I won't ever hate them like I do the others except for Chelsea. Nova is well taken care of and it seems Stella is too and all three women appear to actually work at jobs that don't involve Instagram. 

Good point. They annoy me but I don't dislike them on the level of Jenelle, David, Adam, Andrew, etc. for sure. 

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 I will say I don't despise the coven nearly as much as some others. They are INSANELY irritating and grating to watch on screen but they're some of the few people on this show with jobs and without any arrests for multiple forms of abuse and DUIs. So even though every time Briana and Roxanne speak it's like nails on a chalkboard and I desperately want to tell them to shut up, I won't ever hate them like I do the others except for Chelsea. Nova is well taken care of and it seems Stella is too and all three women appear to actually work at jobs that don't involve Instagram. 

 

Well they may not be the worst family of the TM series but the competition is stiff for that title and it's a race to the bottom.   Of course it is admirable if they all hold down jobs and Nova needs do seem to be taken care of in terms of shelter, food and clothing, etc.  However, my issue with the Coven re. Nova is they don't have the common sense to shield her from "adult" conversations and subjects including 24/7 trash talk about Brianna's exes.   All of this drama clearly affects Nova, how could it not??    With these 3 as role models, she will grow up to be a man hating shrew.  

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I thought Briana did work.

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8 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. I like Barb, but to me, she's the lesser of two evils. I believe she does the best she can to the extent of her abilities, but she's an emotionally damaged woman herself and she's just as addicted to the drama as Jenelle is. If I was on my death bed and had to pick a Teen Mom cast member to raise my child, Barb would not make the short list.

I also agree she didn't just have a sip of wine. I don't think she was drunk, but it was as you said, she probably had a glass at dinner like many normal adults do. I don't think the kids were ever in danger.

Yes. Barb does A LOT wrong and she is responsible for a lot of the emotional damage that's been done to Jace, arguably more so than Jenelle. But, in comparison to Jenelle and UBT, she's a saint. She at least means well and she sacrifices a lot to try to support Jace, Jenelle, and others.

Does anyone really believe that any of Jenelle's or UBT's actions on Cinco de Mayo were motivated by any degree of genuine concern for the well-being of Jace, Barb, or the other kids? I mean that seriously. I could go on and on about how that's obviously not the case, so much that it seems pointless. Jenelle never expresses any concern about Jace except in the context of trying to paint Barb as a bad parent. None of their actions were consistent with what "responsible, concerned" parents would do if they were worried that a drunk person was caring for their child.

Also, Jenelle and UBT get loaded (I believe on more than just pot) around their kids all the time. That's their lifestyle. It's been documented and it's super obvious from all of their home scenes. THAT'S the real reason they came up with Operation Catch Barb Drinking (probably while high on whatever). UBT is into this thing of trying to paint people who (rightly) accuse him of wrongdoing as guilty of those same offenses. They found out that Barb was going to dinner with friends for Cinco de Mayo and they figured she would probably have a drink or two and they would "catch" her on video, which they could somehow use when they went to court for custody of Jace (which was coming up). It was a harebrained scheme, but they were almost certainly high when they came up with it.

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10 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I have no idea what it means to "stan" someone. Typo?

No, it means to be a hardcore, devoted fan of someone. 

11 minutes ago, neece26 said:

Well they may not be the worst family of the TM series but the competition is stiff for that title and it's a race to the bottom.   Of course it is admirable if they all hold down jobs and Nova needs do seem to be taken care of in terms of shelter, food and clothing, etc.  However, my issue with the Coven re. Nova is they don't have the common sense to shield her from "adult" conversations and subjects including 24/7 trash talk about Brianna's exes.   All of this drama clearly affects Nova, how could it not??    With these 3 as role models, she will grow up to be a man hating shrew.  

Well right but that's what we've got to work with, lol. Chelsea is completely average and mediocre and she is undoubtedly the top of the list here, so the curve starts with her as A+ and works its way down to Jenelle. 

I'd love to be in a class with a curve that generous! 

Edited November 2, 2017 by Lm2162

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I think it is a bit of an exaggeration to call anyone on this forum a Stan, though. Obviously some of us may have favorites ( or at least cast members we hate the least) but most everyone here is reasonable and makes reasonable arguments if they do disagree. 

For true TM Stans, one only has to direct themselves to FB or Reddit. Logic, reason, and reality are totally disregarded in pursuit of staning these chicks.

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On 10/31/2017 at 11:46 PM, guilfoyleatpp said:

Yeah, I don't get the emphasis on why her tears should trigger everyone dropping everything (including the judge and her mom in the custody hearing) to give in to her.

Like, she must realize that everyone cries and that actually producing tears is not a miracle or any kind of legal or moral leverage in her favor.

Well, maybe actual tears are a miracle for Jenelle, but for most of us, it happens in the normal course of events. 

Most children who are beyond toddlerhood understand this.  Why can't Jenelle?

Especially considering Jenelle’s tears are 95% fake.

I’m sure we’ll get them at the Reunion while she dramatically dabs a tissue in her eye with 1 lb. of perfectly undisturbed eye make-up.