S08.E03: Low Key

[vmcd88]

Did anyone else notice that Kailyn had to say "at least I'm not a bad mother" twice before Jo piped up with "no you're not a bad mother."  He was trying to not comment but she was not going to let it go without his testimony.    I see you Jo.

[GreatKazu]

24 minutes ago, vmcd88 said:

Did anyone else notice that Kailyn had to say "at least I'm not a bad mother" twice before Jo piped up with "no you're not a bad mother."  He was trying to not comment but she was not going to let it go without his testimony.    I see you Jo.

That is Kail's worst fear - being seen as a bad mother from day one. Too late!

Kail threw a hissy fit in couple's counseling when Javi noted her so-called great qualities without mentioning her being a good mother. She wanted him to say she was a great mother. 

That is Kail's problem. Well, one of them. She hears things that people never say. Jo rattling off how he is concerned about her choices, her life moving too fast and all the changes that are happening to the kids. Out of that she heard him criticize her for not being a good mother. I wish Jo would have told her, "Nowhere did I say such a thing. Listen to what I am saying." 

[Rebecca]

Jo needs to stop kissing Kailyn's ass.  Even though he was more real than he has been in this episode I still think he's validating her horrid choices way too much.

Edited August 1, 2017 by Rebecca

[gotta watch]

I was sad to watch Addie and her mood changes because of having 2 birthday parties in one day. If that was a Saturday, and presumably Jeremy's weekend, WHY couldn't Leah have had her party the next weekend? Let Addie swim as long as she wants to with her friends. Jeremy's visits are sporadic due to his work schedule, fine. But if he has a weekend, let Addie enjoy the time with him without being interrupted.

As for Chelsea and Cole's handling of Aubree's jealousy, I wish one of them would say "Aubree I know there's been a lot of changes in the house right now, but I want you to know you're the first baby in this family and we will always love & cherish YOU. Watson needs some extra attention because he's a baby, but we don't want you to think it's because we love you any less." And yes, Chelsea and Cole can take turns having one-on-one special time with Aubree. I honestly flinched when Cole was holding Watson and Aubree started to complain and Chelsea said "that's Watson's DADDY." Ouch. I can totally see where Aubree would feel insecure, but I think a little reassurance from the adults would go a long way.

[Christina87]

30 minutes ago, gotta watch said:

I was sad to watch Addie and her mood changes because of having 2 birthday parties in one day. If that was a Saturday, and presumably Jeremy's weekend, WHY couldn't Leah have had her party the next weekend? Let Addie swim as long as she wants to with her friends. Jeremy's visits are sporadic due to his work schedule, fine. But if he has a weekend, let Addie enjoy the time with him without being interrupted.

As for Chelsea and Cole's handling of Aubree's jealousy, I wish one of them would say "Aubree I know there's been a lot of changes in the house right now, but I want you to know you're the first baby in this family and we will always love & cherish YOU. Watson needs some extra attention because he's a baby, but we don't want you to think it's because we love you any less." And yes, Chelsea and Cole can take turns having one-on-one special time with Aubree. I honestly flinched when Cole was holding Watson and Aubree started to complain and Chelsea said "that's Watson's DADDY." Ouch. I can totally see where Aubree would feel insecure, but I think a little reassurance from the adults would go a long way.

I agree with everything you've said, about both topics. I feel Chelsea has always raised aubree as a friend, and now it's coming back to bite her. It's easy to ignore friends when you have a new baby, and expect friends to accommodate you. One of the things I admired about Chelsea when aubree was little was that she could be perfectly content with aubree for companionship. She had a lot of friends, but seemed just as happy just with her little girl. Aubree sensed that, and now suddenly Chelsea has two other family members, and the three of them are biologically related. I think for her, it's worse than a parent being distracted by a new baby. She has lost her best friend too, and this must be terribly devastating. She sees Chelsea and Randy being BFF's too, so the concept isn't strange to her. I'm not sure why Chelsea didn't realize in advance that this would be hard for aubree, though. Sometimes her tone with her seems downright cruel. She talks to her more how you'd talk to the jealous friend, not the jealous eight-year-old big sister  

I feel that she could be more empathetic while also not letting aubree act bad. I mean, her discipline has been lacking up until this point, basically. Why choose now to be so tough and no-nonsense? Because it bothers Cole? If this is Chelsea's level of empathy NOW, I predict rough teenage years! I can see aubree having a horrible teenage rebellion, but then the two of them being best friends when she grows up. 

Edited August 1, 2017 by Christina87

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I LOVED Kail's hypocritical ass sitting there saying "Javi's not stable right now" while pregnant with the baby of a guy she was sleeping with a month after she & Javi separated (if not earlier) and she doesn't even know for sure if they're friends or in a relationship together. Yes, Kail, you are a bastion of stability with your three kids by three baby daddies in 8 years...... I just can't. I don't even like Javi but he's clearly coming out the winner here and I'm here for it.

I think that for once someone has beat Kail at her own game - grifting. Chris is the one calling the shots in that "relationship." He gets to stay at her Pintrest McMansion, swim in her pool, eat her pizza with ranch, ride around in her luxury cars, have her buy him pure bred puppies (& who knows what else) but he won't be on the show. Oh, and he pulled a Federline and knocked her up....so one day she can pay him child support with her MTV money all while he doesn't even have to put his face on the show and he can sleep around. Well played, Chris (except now you have to deal with Kail for the next 18 years and you brought an innocent child into this situation).

Also, the producer who straight up asked Kail about birth control while she was talking with Jo is this episode's MVP. 

Edited August 1, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[LotusFlower]

40 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Jo needs to stop kissing Kailyn's ass.  Even though he was more real than he has been in this episode I still think he's validating her horrid choices way too much.

Right.  In his conversation with Vee, he said the only thing he can do is be supportive.  No!!  Listen to Vee - supporting Kail's choices is enabling her.  Stop enabling her and telling her she's a good mother and moving to her neighborhood and letting her dictate everything, etc., etc...  Start calling her out on her shit, and make some demands of your own.

 

What does UBT stand for?

[ghoulina]

2 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

What does UBT stand for?

Uncle Bad Touch. 

 

His Instagram is UncleDave, not sure why. Was he more known as an uncle than a father, since he didn't have custody of any of his kids? Anyhow, Uncle Bad Touch seems more fitting. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

My guess is Jo knows going against Kail means her filing orders of protection and claiming he hit her or whatever, so he's just really chill around her and basically shakes his head and says "yeah" while not even really listening but inside he's fighting every temptation to roll his eyes and call her out. But Jo knows she plays dirty and he's being the bigger person. Better to be her "friend," know what's going on, and be "on her side" so when she has to dump Isaac somewhere so she can "study" (i.e.: hook up with Chris), she'll call Jo and he can see his son more. I feel like he wants a good relationship between them all for his son, he's tired of the energy it requires to deal with Kail's issues, and he recognizes his son is very sensitive, so he tries to protect him by having this "friend" relationship with Kail where he just passively agrees with her. Then he also doesn't agree to strongly with Vee on camera because he doesn't want to deal with Kail's BS about it. I think he's realized you can't control other people's actions, just your reaction to them, so he's just kinda zen about Kail's drama. 

Edited August 1, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

My guess is Jo knows going against Kail means her filing orders of protection and claiming he hit her or whatever, so he's just really chill around her and basically shakes his head and says "yeah" while not even really listening but inside he's fighting every temptation to roll his eyes and call her out. But Jo knows she plays dirty and he's being the bigger person. Better to be her "friend," know what's going on, and be "on her side" so when she has to dump Isaac somewhere so she can "study" (i.e.: hook up with Chris), she'll call Jo and he can see his son more. I feel like he wants a good relationship between them all for his son, he's tired of the energy it requires to deal with Kail's issues, and he recognizes his son is very sensitive, so he tries to protect him by having this "friend" relationship with Kail where he just passively agrees with her. Then he also doesn't agree to strongly with Vee on camera because he doesn't want to deal with Kail's BS about it. I think he's realized you can't control other people's actions, just your reaction to them, so he's just kinda zen about Kail's drama. 

Perfect!

I also agree Jo can't call out Kail because she is an adult. Her choices are hers, and anything anyone says does not matter. She will do what suits her. Her choices will cause consequences that she will have to deal with, as we are watching play out.

Jo has suffered Hulk's wrath before. His approach comes from a friendly, caring place as well as being careful not to cause friction. It also garners him extra time with Isaac, as you pointed out. Calling Kail out on her BS will do nothing but cause chaos. Isaac will be the ultimate loser.

[ReadMeLattice]

I agree on why he has to appease Kail and I totally get it. If I were Vee, though, I couldn't help being annoyed sometimes. I'm sure he backs her up more in private and she knows the deal, but from a selfish standpoint I'd personally be irritated at him not supporting me more on camera and enabling Kail's bullshit. I'm sure she just takes whatever check MTV gives them and laughs about it with Jo in private...but still. 

[LotusFlower]

I think Jo needs to nip it in the bud.  If he doesn't stand up to Kail now, he never will, and his entire life will be dictated by her.  Not just his relationship with Isaac, but with his daughter and wife, too.  (Are they married?). No way is Vee going to take this crap forever.  

I think he should take advantage of being on the show.  Yes, Kail is selfish and narcissistic, but she's also extremely sensitive to criticism.  She does so much behind closed doors, and then says "I don't want to talk about it" on camera, or storms off the reunion stage when Dr. Drew asks her a question that might expose her real self or behavior.  That's why so many people are saying Vee was the MVP of the episode, cuz she called it like it is.  Jo should do the same - publicly (on the show, the reunion, and/or social media) - which might shame Kail into being a less selfish and more fair, if not better, parent.  Again - not because she has a fair side, but because she cares about how she's coming across.  

Edited August 1, 2017 by LotusFlower

[GreatKazu]

35 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

I think Jo needs to nip it in the bud.  If he doesn't stand up to Kail now, he never will, and his entire life will be dictated by her.  Not just his relationship with Isaac, but with his daughter and wife, too.  No way is Vee going to take this crap forever.  

I think he should take advantage of being on the show.  Yes, Kail is selfish and narcissistic, but she's also extremely sensitive to criticism.  She does so much behind closed doors, and then says "I don't want to talk about it" on camera, or walks off the reunion stage when Dr. Drew asks her a question that might expose her real self or behavior.  That's why so many people are saying Vee was the MVP of the episode, cuz she called it like it is.  Jo should do the same, which might shame Kail into being a less selfish and more fair, if not better, parent.  Again - not because she has a fair side, but because she cares about how she's coming across.  

I agree with your point as well. I was yelling "Yes!" when Vee was speaking. She is always on point with her talking points. 

I just fully understand what it is Jo is doing right now because he is not at that point just yet where he is ready to lay out those boundaries. You have an excellent point that the key would be to get Kail to see what she is doing is not on par with what a good mother should be doing. 

As much as I love what Vee has to say, and she speaks the truth, I'm gonna speak (post) what I think is the truth.  She did have a choice to not follow Jo to Delaware and she did have a choice to ensure she was protected from becoming pregnant. She is obvious with her resentment. I am getting the feeling she wishes she was closer to her family and friends where she can enjoy visits with them more often with Vivi in tow.  Instead, she is in Delaware with no family nearby. Jo made a decision to be closer to Isaac. Vee went along believing Javi and Kail were in it for the long haul. She has referenced that part at least twice on the show and once on the reunion show. She, like Kail, made a choice and now she is dealing with the consequences. I am a big Vee supporter. I just had to throw that out there

I think this is one of those instances where Jo needs to do what we were discussing on the Leah thread - he needs to put his partner first and foremost. Vee is the one he chose to live with and she is the one he shares a child with as a family unit. It might be time for him to put his Delaware home up for rent and move closer to family and friends while making that trip for Isaac for visitation. Kail is so damn insensitive about anyone else's needs that she would surely resort to payback. 

[ReadMeLattice]

Yeah. I remember on Jo's teen dad special they were arguing about moving and he wasn't ready to commit to Vee. She moved for him with no clear commitment, and I admired his choice to put Isaac above everything. But now he's made a permanent commitment to her in the form of engagement and a shared child, and he can't put Isaac (via a good relationship with Kail) above his future wife AND other child. At some point he does have to take a stand because Kail is putting him in the situation of having to. 

Edited August 1, 2017 by Lm2162

[SophiaPehawkins]

As soon I heard Chelsea say that Aubrey wasn't sleeping alone and was complaining of noises, that she was feeling left out. She was making those things up to spend more time with them. I like that Chelsea spoke to her about it in the car, but I wish she had a more positive spin on it for Aubrey. Tell her the advantages of being older instead of saying that's just the way it is. She may still feel resentful and may more hesitant about expressing it later on.

Kail is a fucking monster. She wants to be viewed as a Chelsea, but in reality is more of a Jenelle. She's trying to save face by saying this was a planned pregnancy even though she had already mentioned that she thought she couldn't get pregnant. Bitch, please. You're trashy. 

David is such a classic abuser that it's scary. He's trying to isolate Jenelle from everybody around her, especially her mom. He's making small arguments into big fights so that they don't talk. I'd feel for Jenelle if she wasn't such a detestable human being.

Edited August 2, 2017 by SophiaPehawkins

[Jennifersdc]

So who designed Jenelle's invitations - Holly Hobby?

Edited to add - I fucking love it that the cunt has to drive all over the motherfucking place with her cock-sucking boyfriend to pick up/drop off all the illegitimate children. 

That's my tribute to the late Anthony Scaramucci. DC is going to miss him! (Apologies if deemed political - it's really not - I couldn't resist...)

Edited August 2, 2017 by Jennifersdc

[AhFillAck]

Kail: "I havent told Javi yet because I'm afraid he'll try and sell it."

Jo: "Sell the baby??"

I was DYING laughing at that.

Edited August 1, 2017 by AhFillAck

[Jennifersdc]

19 minutes ago, AhFillAck said:

Kail: "I havent told Javi yet because I'm afraid he'll try and sell it."

Jo: "Sell the baby??"

I was DYING laughing at that.

So was I. Joe's quite the quiet jokester. Glad to see him get a dig in every once in awhile.

[guilfoyleatpp]

Jo has to appease Kailyn like every other emotionally abused partner who doesn't want to escalate a situation ever. He just nods and asks for minor clarifications. He gently and quietly reminds her of her duty to her children and doesn't judge her to her face or on camera. I hate that she uses programs and people who are dedicated to helping abused women to her advantage because she is petty and vindictive and sets things into motion without the long view of where it ends up.

I'm sure Jo and Vee have had the conversation where Vee says "I don't care if she hates me" and Jo says "ok."

Kailyn really needs to work on herself. If medication is appropriate and available she should be taking it.

She is straight up abusive. She is not a good mother. It's so fucking pathetic that Jo has to lie to her face in order to retain access to his child. 

[toodywoody]

I loved how Jo knew Isaac was struggling and his OWN mother didn't have a clue. Isaac only opened up once the safety of his father was there. Kail doesn't even know what is going on with Isaac and he isn't comfortable enough to express himself around her.

[Emmierose]

I've always been a Kail apologist, but no more.  Kail is straight up Suzi and following Suzi's example of men before her kids.  Poor confused Isaac.  Suzi dick hopped.  Kail dick hops.  Kail is Suzi without the booze.  Congrats Kail.

I agree that Aubree is dealing with some jealousy issues but I also feel that her behavior is unacceptable and have thought so on several occasions.  My 3 children are grown and in their 20's.  I'm in my mid 40's so I'm not out of touch with child rearing, and Aubree's tantrums were over the top.  That time in the eye doctor's office? No WAY would I have accepted that shit and all 3 of my children wore glasses (my youngest son got his first pair at 3 years old) and had trips to the eye doctor and received eye drops to dilate their pupils.   No one liked it but didn't act like screaming banshees.  That was some serious bullshit.  I would have grabbed that kid, carried her out to the car, brought her ass RIGHT HOME (no "discussions" in the car) and she would have gone STRAIGHT to her room for the rest of the day.  Reschedule the appointment and do it again and let her KNOW what's going to happen and what her expected behavior is.   She's not going to die from not getting her glasses that day.  Fuck that.  That being said, I absolutely understand Aubree is dealing with an unfortunate situation regarding Adam and Watson having a better father.  I hope moving forward they figure things out so that little girl is damaged as little as possible.  She has a good family and lots of love, so there's that.

I feel bad for Briana because she's so dumb.  Her mother is aching for an Oscar nomination with her drama.  Settle down there Roxanne, you're on Teen Mom and no one is impressed with your acting skills.  Hopefully Briana figures it out.  Brittnay is rough but I like her.  

Leah is still totally doing pillses.  Not sure if it was this episode, but when Addy was in the car and talking to Jeremy on the phone Leah's eyes were shifting, shifting, shifting while she was driving and trying to stay open.  Nice try Leah.  And nice pageant hair for college.  That pony tail and hair are totally fake extensions.

Janelle is disgusting and for the love of GOD, STOP SCREAMING INTO YOUR PHONE ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

[Jennifersdc]

40 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

I loved how Jo knew Isaac was struggling and his OWN mother didn't have a clue. Isaac only opened up once the safety of his father was there. Kail doesn't even know what is going on with Isaac and he isn't comfortable enough to express himself around her.

Seriously. Kail was all it isn't a concern to me unless Isaac asks. Then Isaac crawled into Jo's lap. Is that a fucking clue for you cunt?

[nikita]

Any other word/etymology lovers out there seriously bugged by Briana naming her kid Stella Star?

[FlowerofCarnage]

14 minutes ago, Jennifersdc said:

Seriously. Kail was all it isn't a concern to me unless Isaac asks. Then Isaac crawled into Jo's lap. Is that a fucking clue for you cunt?

In the not too distant future, I can see Isaac requesting to live with Jo full-time because his emotion needs aren't being met by his mother.

[MargeGunderson]

8 minutes ago, nikita said:

Any other word/etymology lovers out there seriously bugged by Briana naming her kid Stella Star?

That's really unfortunate. That kid is never going to have a better porno name* than what her mom gave her.

Stella Star, you go on to be a nuclear physicist!

*your pet's name and the street you grew up on. Or is this no longer a thing? 

Edited August 2, 2017 by MargeGunderson

[Jennifersdc]

Yes (for me anyway). I was Lily John. No really.

[GreatKazu]

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@Emmierose I agree that Aubree is dealing with some jealousy issues but I also feel that her behavior is unacceptable and have thought so on several occasions.  My 3 children are grown and in their 20's.  I'm in my mid 40's so I'm not out of touch with child rearing, and Aubree's tantrums were over the top.  That time in the eye doctor's office? No WAY would I have accepted that shit and all 3 of my children wore glasses (my youngest son got his first pair at 3 years old) and had trips to the eye doctor and received eye drops to dilate their pupils.   No one liked it but didn't act like screaming banshees. I would have grabbed that kid, carried her out to the car, brought her ass RIGHT HOME (no "discussions" in the car) and she would have gone STRAIGHT to her room for the rest of the day.  Reschedule the appointment and do it again and let her KNOW what's going to happen and what her expected behavior is. 

Good for you. What worked for you may not work for others. And each child is different.

Some children react to medical professions like they are going to the electric chair and others don't. It is nothing new. I am a mother in my 50s, raised my brood who are now in their 30s with the exception of one, and that one is the one who gave me grief anytime it came to giving shots, nasal spray vaccinations, ear drops, and eye drops. Going to the dentist was a nightmare. He wasn't having it. He had a fear. There is no need to make a child feel bad for having a fear. Even adults have fears. I learned a much better way to handle my child's tantrums and it worked like a charm without me becoming angry or having to reschedule an appointment. I saved the whole grabbing them by the arm bit when they truly did misbehave, not for them having a fear.

Aubree's fear is water in her eyes. The eye doctor said to her, "It is like being in a swimming pool under water." Chelsea then told the doctor how Aubree can't open her eyes in the water because of her fear. Aubree having drops put in her eyes made her want to escape the situation. It was a threat that felt real. Things that should be avoided is saying things like "Don't be afraid," "The shot won't hurt," or "Don't cry," because doing so will only make a parent seem less credible and caring. It helps to sometimes prepare the child for what will happen at the doctor's office. Since Chelsea wasn't aware of the need for the drops to be put in Aubree's eyes, there was no chance to prepare her for it. Only one of my children needed drops put in their eyes. It is not something you expect to happen. 

3 hours ago, Jennifersdc said:

Seriously. Kail was all it isn't a concern to me unless Isaac asks. Then Isaac crawled into Jo's lap. Is that a fucking clue for you cunt?

Kail was just wanting to avoid the situation altogether. If no one brings it up, it spares her having to discuss the fucking mess she has created.  She is a fucking puta. Even if Isaac does bring up something, she still ignores it or makes Isaac feel bad for expressing his feelings. He may not throw a tantrum, but when a child expresses their fears or feelings, it is time to take notice and hear them out, not chastise them or become angry. Kail did that shit when Isaac was upset at Javi taking Lincoln for his visitation. Isaac began to cry because he thought his little brother was now going away just like Javi. The hulk kinda laughed and told Isaac "Why are you crying???"  There was the other incident when Isaac was bringing up how terrible it was the way Kail was treating Javi shortly after he returned. She sure as hell didn't talk to him about that and he made his point loud and clear. She totally ignored him. 

Kail is that mother who makes her children feel bad for having fears, meltdowns, or expressing their feelings. I am sure when the cameras are not around she is grabbing them by the arm and punishing them for speaking their mind in a way that she deems unacceptable. Fucking puta. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by GreatKazu
my not by

[ya both high]

Thanks all for the deets on the D&C! I rescind my statements!! Though I still hate the hulk. :)

[Raynedon]

What is with Leah putting the 3 girls to bed, in one bed?  At first I thought it was her bed and they were going to have some cuddle time before their real bedtime, but she tucked them in, turned off the light, said goodnight, and closed the door.  Do they always sleep together?  Do they not have their own beds?  I remember in a past season seeing, what I thought, was the twins sleeping together, but, now with the 3 together I'm really wondering what the bed situation is for them.  

Edited August 2, 2017 by rayndon

[ya both high]

5 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

I LOVED Kail's hypocritical ass sitting there saying "Javi's not stable right now" while pregnant with the baby of a guy she was sleeping with a month after she & Javi separated (if not earlier) and she doesn't even know for sure if they're friends or in a relationship together. Yes, Kail, you are a bastion of stability with your three kids by three baby daddies in 8 years...... I just can't. I don't even like Javi but he's clearly coming out the winner here and I'm here for it.

I think that for once someone has beat Kail at her own game - grifting. Chris is the one calling the shots in that "relationship." He gets to stay at her Pintrest McMansion, swim in her pool, eat her pizza with ranch, ride around in her luxury cars, have her buy him pure bred puppies (& who knows what else) but he won't be on the show. Oh, and he pulled a Federline and knocked her up....so one day she can pay him child support with her MTV money all while he doesn't even have to put his face on the show and he can sleep around. Well played, Chris (except now you have to deal with Kail for the next 18 years and you brought an innocent child into this situation).

Also, the producer who straight up asked Kail about birth control while she was talking with Jo is this episode's MVP. 

? I follow her Snapchat (whyyy?) and her posse of followers do seem to have it pretty sweet. I'd find it tough to actually converse with her but the perks seem worth the intermittent misery. How does this chick have so many people who want to be around her? It just don't make no sense.

You are so 100% right about what's-his-name, the producer! Homeboy deserves a raise for the amount of sh*t he takes from Karl when he asks the obvious questions. She has farrah-esque reactions to everything he says. Hulk smash!

 

PS- I don't know if you coined "Pinterest McMansion" but it is perf. ?? 

Edited August 2, 2017 by ya both high

[BitterApple]

I can see both sides of the Aubree issue. I've always thought she leaned toward bratty and if she's acting up, she should be reprimanded, baby or no baby. However Chelsea isn't exactly handling the jealousy issue that well either. It's like she's pitching her own spoiled brat tantrums because her firstborn is cutting into this Leave It To Beaver fantasy world she's created. The "taking away from Cole's experience" was a pretty shitty thing to say, even if it was taken from a different conversation. 

[ReadMeLattice]

As much as I hate Jenelle, I don't want anyone to be abused, even other abusers. The pattern was very clear. She was actually getting along with her mom at Christmas and that pissed David off because he wants her completely dependent. There was a reasonable phone conversation happening and he HAD to talk over it and dictate it the whole time. When Jenelle dared to even say something as innocuous as "I can't focus when both of you are talking, just let me talk to you one at a time" the gloves were off because it wasn't "David, you are my macho hero and protector and my mother is an evil conniving witch." Then he plants in her head that Barb is inconveniencing them horribly. In the car, he then demanded she ask for a different meeting spot. Then again, another conversation that she started out somewhat reasonably...yes, they should have just left earlier, but Jenelle and Barb likely could have come up with a closer destination. Then he dictates and probes and riles her up AGAIN until it almost seemed like Jenelle was just parroting David's words when she finally started yelling. It was eerie. She had never even seemed to share that opinion until he bashed it into her head enough times. 

Obviously she is far from "innocent" but holy shit that was all terrifying. 

[SPLAIN]

21 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I can see both sides of the Aubree issue. I've always thought she leaned toward bratty and if she's acting up, she should be reprimanded, baby or no baby. However Chelsea isn't exactly handling the jealousy issue that well either. It's like she's pitching her own spoiled brat tantrums because her firstborn is cutting into this Leave It To Beaver fantasy world she's created. The "taking away from Cole's experience" was a pretty shitty thing to say, even if it was taken from a different conversation. 

Do we know in what context Chelsea said "taking away from Cole's experience"? Was she referring to Aubree or someone else? Was she even referring to anyone in particular? Was she perhaps referring to herself? We don't even know when she made that comment. Was it months ago? Two months prior? She may have had a conversation with her dad, her friends, or even the camera crew and said something to the effect of how she is feeling so sick and miserable from her pregnancy and wasn't feeling too good or even happy, but she didn't want to take away from Cole's experience. Is she experiencing some post-partum? Was she referring to that possibly, but hasn't revealed having PP? I know being pregnant the moodiness can be brutal. We don't always feel our best and sometimes we are deeply on edge. We will say things that don't always come out sounding nice, for lack of a better term.

I know @Lm2162 is due any day now and she has expressed some feelings about her pregnancy. Hold on, sweetie! Supporting you all the way! I look forward to hearing you had your baby.

I am feeling so damn edgy with this season. I had to muster the energy to watch both episodes. I am just not on board with Briana, and I can't take Jenelle and UBT. Kail is the fucking worst. I need someone to just beat the shit outta her STAT! I seriously do feel my blood pressure rising, my heart beats faster, and I want to throw a brick at my screen when I see her Big Foot face.

Poor Isaac. My heart was aching. Still is. I want so bad to take him in my arms and let him know his dad and Vee are there for him. He has such a sensitive soul. What I see happening is Isaac will end up with some bitch like his mother for a girlfriend, the way Javi ended up with Kail.

Leah is boring as hell.

Edited August 2, 2017 by SPLAIN

[nikita]

I don't even think Aubree is jealous. I think she feels excluded, and there's a difference IMO.

I actually never thought Chelsea would sort of push Aubree aside for the bio trio of Chelsea/Cole/Elementary. I really feel for poor Aubs. And she can't even turn to Adam for consolation.

[ya both high]

19 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

As much as I hate Jenelle, I don't want anyone to be abused, even other abusers. The pattern was very clear. She was actually getting along with her mom at Christmas and that pissed David off because he wants her completely dependent. There was a reasonable phone conversation happening and he HAD to talk over it and dictate it the whole time. When Jenelle dared to even say something as innocuous as "I can't focus when both of you are talking, just let me talk to you one at a time" the gloves were off because it wasn't "David, you are my macho hero and protector and my mother is an evil conniving witch." Then he plants in her head that Barb is inconveniencing them horribly. In the car, he then demanded she ask for a different meeting spot. Then again, another conversation that she started out somewhat reasonably...yes, they should have just left earlier, but Jenelle and Barb likely could have come up with a closer destination. Then he dictates and probes and riles her up AGAIN until it almost seemed like Jenelle was just parroting David's words when she finally started yelling. It was eerie. She had never even seemed to share that opinion until he bashed it into her head enough times. 

Obviously she is far from "innocent" but holy shit that was all terrifying. 

Ugh you are SO right. UBT totally seemed to brainwash her with impressive ease. His motives were so transparent, too. Sad to see a grown woman so easily manipulated... and then to think of what their offspring have to look up to. I wish there were a respected friend or family member in Jenelle's life to be a voice of reason and talk some sense into her. Too bad she respects no one, other than whichever lucky Gaston gets to be her man of the hour. *swoon*

[SPLAIN]

27 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

As much as I hate Jenelle, I don't want anyone to be abused, even other abusers. The pattern was very clear. She was actually getting along with her mom at Christmas and that pissed David off because he wants her completely dependent. There was a reasonable phone conversation happening and he HAD to talk over it and dictate it the whole time. When Jenelle dared to even say something as innocuous as "I can't focus when both of you are talking, just let me talk to you one at a time" the gloves were off because it wasn't "David, you are my macho hero and protector and my mother is an evil conniving witch." Then he plants in her head that Barb is inconveniencing them horribly. In the car, he then demanded she ask for a different meeting spot. Then again, another conversation that she started out somewhat reasonably...yes, they should have just left earlier, but Jenelle and Barb likely could have come up with a closer destination. Then he dictates and probes and riles her up AGAIN until it almost seemed like Jenelle was just parroting David's words when she finally started yelling. It was eerie. She had never even seemed to share that opinion until he bashed it into her head enough times. 

Obviously she is far from "innocent" but holy shit that was all terrifying. 

The thing that I keep going back to is, Jenelle is the one who has establish this hate from her boyfriends for her mother. It is her own doing. Right from the start of every damn relationship she has ever had, she starts bringing up her mother and what a terrible person she is and how much of a victim she is of Barb's evil plan to never give her Jace back. She has made it not only her story line but her life's mission to smear Barb and trash her publicly. Every dick Jenelle has ever had has taken issue with Barb. The only exception was Jace's dad. Right off the bat Nathan started in on Barb. He cursed at her, yelled at her, accused her of not parenting Jenelle properly, it was nauseating. Keiffer bashed Barb a lot. It is a pattern and one that Jenelle created.

Yes, I agree he is a manipulator and he gives me abuser vibes which clearly existed before Jenelle entered the picture but, Jenelle helped to plant that seed in his head and triggered that animosity which only adds to his abusive behavior.  Then, you have Jenelle who declares David is the best thing to happen to her, he is her protector, he is the one who has made her feel loved, and all that shit, well of course he is going to feel Jenelle needs to be protected. Is it any wonder David has taken upon himself to protect his ho-trash from the evil mother?

[guilfoyleatpp]

I love you @GreatKazu.

I think Aubree is pretty good for having such a young, inexperienced mom. And I also think that kids pretty much are who they are despite our better efforts. 

Chelsea doesn't handle Aubree the way I would, but I'm at least 20 years older than Chelsea with a kid a year or two younger. When you're a young parent you're super invested in not being judged by other mommies. You have to prove you have a good kid and you're a good mom despite the judgement of people who think teen moms are shameful or dumb. So a lot of them take a really hard line (in public) and show that they're not afraid of discipline, of correction, maybe corporal punishment. Also when you're younger, your perception of time and situations being temporary is a lot more skewed. 

I give Chelsea kudos for having the conversation with Aubree about her behavior. I wish she hadn't done it in the car, that creates a distraction and a distance. 

I also hate Kailyn for assuming that because Isaac didn't broach the subject of his discontent with her, that he was fine. He's seen her flip out. I have to drag things out of my six year old. I rarely yell. I can't imagine how much more difficult it would be to drag things out of him if he was worried about me flipping out on the turn of a dime. But that's who he is.  I didn't make him that way, although I recognize parts of his personality from my own self and his dad.

Maybe Aubree's brattiness comes from Adam.

[monicageller]

Just finished the episode, I haven't read the forum yet so sorry if I'm repeating things!

I HATE KAIL. It's not like I didn't before, but damn, this episode really cemented it. Good on Vee for speaking her mind and for thinking about her child's possible perception of things, something Kail is incapable of. The ending killed me. Isaac is such a sweet, sensitive soul so of course he's going to hide how sad he is from her. 'He seems fine so why should I ask him how he is' (paraphrased), jeez, maybe because he's your child and you've uprooted so many huge parts of his life so suddenly in such a short amount of time?! Poor Lincoln as well of course. They're lucky to have great dads. Kail is such a selfish asshole, it's clear to strangers so much shit has happened to her kids in their short lives, I can't imagine deciding to bring yet another child into this. I can't even think straight with how angry it makes me. On another note, Isaac and Lincoln and their 'genius' conversation in the car was adorable and I love them.

I feel bad for Aubree. I can understand how she's feeling and her way of dealing with it, even though it's not productive. I wonder if Chelsea realised from the beginning why she was acting out, or if she really only figured it out after the ghost stuff. In real time I think things are better so I'm glad for that. And omg, Aubree's 90s Nickelodeon jumper! Soooo cute.

Jenelle's terribleness was simmering under the surface during the whole episode so it was no surprise when she blew up at Barb. I know she and Kail have 3 kids by 3 baby daddies each and how the logistics of that would be a freaking nightmare, but when she brought Maryssa into it as well, yikes, it just gets worse. I imagine the next 18+ years of their lives looking like this:

 

[lexiexx]

3 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I can see both sides of the Aubree issue. I've always thought she leaned toward bratty and if she's acting up, she should be reprimanded, baby or no baby. However Chelsea isn't exactly handling the jealousy issue that well either. It's like she's pitching her own spoiled brat tantrums because her firstborn is cutting into this Leave It To Beaver fantasy world she's created. The "taking away from Cole's experience" was a pretty shitty thing to say, even if it was taken from a different conversation. 

It doesn't surprise me at all.   I've always thought that Chelsea pushed Cole into being a father figure for Aubree for that same fantasy.  Except now Aubree is hitting that awkward stage and there's a new baby in the house.  Aubree did a great job of explaining her feelings.   And instead of assuring Aubree, Chelsea just pulled the 'we're the parents' card?   It's a shame because now when Chelsea talks to Aubree she uses that same pissy impatient attitude that she always uses when she talks to her mom.   It's like you can see her fuming whenever Aubree is interrupting and ruining the time she wants to spend mooning over Cole and Watson together.    Aubree can be a brat but I've always thought she got that from Chelsea.

Jenelle is a lost cause.   Barb already raises Jace for her, the least she could do is drive all the way to Barb's to pick him up.  

[Blissfool]

4 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

 @GreatKazu

 

Maybe Aubree's brattiness comes from Adam.

Let's give credit where credit is due...I can totally see Chelsea being a brat when she was a kid. Even now, at times. Like last week when she told Randy, "My kids are your favorite grandkids, right?"

 

This week I felt that  David was being so extra .  He always makes remarks when Jenelle is on the phone with Barb, but this week he was so loud and over the top. At first, I seriously thought be was snarking on his haters because he sounded so loud and forced, but I'm not sure if he was playing us or if he was serious. Then, I thought he was snarking us with the belly rubbing. It's like he thought "I'll give them some belly rubbing to talk about!" Like someone upthread said, it looked like he expected a genie to pop out and grant him 3 wishes. That was hilarious, whoever said it.

[CourtneyCourt]

I re watched this episode just to look for the editing error of the 2 different paint colors...never saw it. 

Did anyone notice that Jenelle and UBT are staying in a beach house? That's why it was fully furnished. You can get beach rentals fairly cheap for an entire month in the off season.

I got such a bad vibe off of David this episode. Protectively touching her belly and the way he acted over Barb. Yuck. Run Jenelle, this guy is a creep! 

Edited August 2, 2017 by CourtneyCourt

[ReadMeLattice]

9 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

The thing that I keep going back to is, Jenelle is the one who has establish this hate from her boyfriends for her mother. It is her own doing. Right from the start of every damn relationship she has ever had, she starts bringing up her mother and what a terrible person she is and how much of a victim she is of Barb's evil plan to never give her Jace back. She has made it not only her story line but her life's mission to smear Barb and trash her publicly. Every dick Jenelle has ever had has taken issue with Barb. The only exception was Jace's dad. Right off the bat Nathan started in on Barb. He cursed at her, yelled at her, accused her of not parenting Jenelle properly, it was nauseating. Keiffer bashed Barb a lot. It is a pattern and one that Jenelle created.

Yes, I agree he is a manipulator and he gives me abuser vibes which clearly existed before Jenelle entered the picture but, Jenelle helped to plant that seed in his head and triggered that animosity which only adds to his abusive behavior.  Then, you have Jenelle who declares David is the best thing to happen to her, he is her protector, he is the one who has made her feel loved, and all that shit, well of course he is going to feel Jenelle needs to be protected. Is it any wonder David has taken upon himself to protect his ho-trash from the evil mother?

I agree that she instigates and starts them going on that road. She manipulates and demands that all her partners "prove" their manhood but also chooses partners who are cowards who want to do that by destroying an older woman. She provides them with an easy "victim"/prey and sics them on her...sometimes I wonder if it's partly to deflect so that Barb is the prey and not her, and also to set up her victimized damsel in distress thing that abusers like Nathan and David are drawn to. It's also an easy excuse for not having Jace so she never seems like the bad guy and can play victim hard. I assume it's some reenactment of her Daddy issues with triangulation of the "hero guy" who will save her from her mom who is just sooooo mean, dude. 

But the ease with which they slip right into that! I think I could tell my husband all day what a bitch my older female relative is and no matter how much he might defend me or dislike them, drunkenly screaming in their face and physically intimidating them like Nathan or ensuring all of our communication was monitored and mediated like David would not even be in the range of possibility. Much less if the relative and I were trying to get along!!! When he said, "you don't need to talk to her," my thought was, "he's done this before. A LOT." Scary stuff. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by Lm2162

[TeeMo]

I appreciated that Kail dragged Jo out to dinner with BOTH her kids so that Jo could help her talk to Isaac about what is going on and then she sat there and said jack squat until Jo finally said "I thought you wanted to talk to him about the baby stuff?" It is admirable of Jo to be willing to take on some of the burden of trying to explain Kail's shitty decisions to Isaac (let's all recall that Jo was the only adult to really address Isaac's fear over losing Javi's presence in his life) but it is really not his job especially this time around.

With the divorce stuff he addressed it all with Isaac in his own home and mostly because no one else would talk to the poor kid about it. It was a nice conversation between a dad and his son focused on what Jo was going to do to make sure that Isaac would still be able to see Javi. Jo noticed his son being upset about things happening in his life and he addressed it. But Kail asking him to come out to dinner with them to act as some sort of buffer between Isaac and her own bad choices was something else entirely. She needed to have a private one on one conversation with Isaac addressing his feelings and reassuring him that things seem to be crazy all around him but that SHE will always be a constant he can count on. Isaac crawling into Jo's lap really showed which parent he feels mosts comfortable turning to for reassurance right now. Kail didn't even really notice the kid was a mess and then she just parroted back the EXACT words Jo had just said to Isaac - "you know you can talk to me about anything, you know I am always here for you." Hell, Jo even had to address Lincoln's confusion when he asked "What happened to Isaac?" Kail didn't even register that. 

I am sure Jo has a million things he would rather be doing than running interference for Kail's poor choices but he clearly prioritizes his son's well being over any of those things. He shouldn't have to be spending large chunks of his time with Isaac soothing his worry over Kail's BS but he does because that is what Isaac needs. It would be nice if Kail could manage to think about anyone other than herself for 30 seconds and try to do the same. 

[kira28]

On 7/31/2017 at 11:50 PM, guilfoyleatpp said:

I don't think that Javi sells the stories. I think that now that Hulk no longer has use for him, he's satan incarnate and capable of any and all dastardly, moustache twirling deeds.  Just like she would be in his shoes.  It's funny how people always accuse others of things they do themselves.

Vee is awesome. Love Vee.  Is she actually from PR? Hubs and I were just talking (arguing, actually) about whether or not Vee and Jo are "average" or "below average" looking.  

Oh, Aubree.  She's ruining new daddyhood for Cole. CTFD, Chelsea.  Good lord, maybe if you acknowledged and validated that child's completely understandable emotions and jealousy she wouldn't make up monsters in the closet as an outlet for her fear. Maybe she would, but I didn't like how Chelsea said Aubree was doing it "on purpose."  Grow the fuck up, Chelsea. Your older child is not "ruining" Cole's fathering experience.  Aubree's emotions are real. She's not going to stop having them because you consider them an inconvenience.

Totally agree with your opinion about Chelsea. I was so mad at her. Hey I know Aubs can be a brat but she was legitimately jealous and begging for some reassurance thst she is still loved and important. Chelsea almost seems like she doesnt want Aubrey around so she and Cole can enjoy  Watson. You are being a shitty parent Chelsea. 

Speaking of shitty parents Kail tops the list. She doesn't think of her kids at all. Issac is such a sweet sensitive soul and he's being dragged from one bad situation to another. He would be better off living with Jo and vee full time. 

Ubt is psycho. He was seething with anger over what! Because Janelle offered to meet barb somewhere other than Costco? He's going to snap and kill everyone in that house. Janelle is disgusting. If I was barb I'd be like pick Jace up at my house if you want to see him

 

No words for how stupid Breanna is. She really expected some guy she'd known for 15 minutes to step up and take care of her and a baby. 

I love that Addie loves her daddy so much. 

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[lezlers]

I'm glad it came out that Chelsea's comment about Aubree ruining Cole's experience was spliced in from another conversation.  Say what you want about Chelsea, it's always been evident she adores Aubree and I was REALLY disappointed she'd say something like that in front of her.  I'm glad she didn't.   I kept telling myself during their convo in the car that Chelsea is likely exhausted and sleep deprived and frustrated because I felt she could've been more receptive and empathetic to Aubree's feelings.  IT's a tough transition for everyone.

I can't with Kail.   She's such a selfish cow!  Vee definitely wins MVP of the episode for getting out what all of us are thinking.  Kail is the most narcissistic, self involved person on the entire franchise.  It's all about HER.  And I cracked up when she started giving that whole "I thought I wouldn't be able to have kids!" excuse for intentionally getting knocked up while going through a divorce with two small children.  That's like, the official Teen Mom Franchise Excuse.  Did they go to a class or something where they all got trained to use that story? 

Jenelle is just...Jenelle.  I can barely handle 2 kids and I'm a mature, responsible, married adult.  I couldn't imagine juggling FOUR kids.  And her throwaway comment to Barb that "why can't I go on vacation?  Just because YOU don't...:" OMG.  You selfish cow, SHE DOESN'T GO ON VACATION BECAUSE SHE'S TOO BUSY RAISING YOUR SON WHILE WORKING AT WALMART IN HER SIXTIES!  I cannot handle her.

Briana is just a idiot.  I really want to smack her trashy sister, too.   Yes, we get it, you're SO TOUGH.  Do they realize that their attitude likely chases decent men away?  That sister is just SO aggressive and nasty all the time.  I wonder what happened to her to make her so angry all the time.

Edited August 2, 2017 by lezlers

[Christina87]

9 hours ago, lexiexx said:

It doesn't surprise me at all.   I've always thought that Chelsea pushed Cole into being a father figure for Aubree for that same fantasy.  Except now Aubree is hitting that awkward stage and there's a new baby in the house.  Aubree did a great job of explaining her feelings.   And instead of assuring Aubree, Chelsea just pulled the 'we're the parents' card?   It's a shame because now when Chelsea talks to Aubree she uses that same pissy impatient attitude that she always uses when she talks to her mom.   It's like you can see her fuming whenever Aubree is interrupting and ruining the time she wants to spend mooning over Cole and Watson together.    Aubree can be a brat but I've always thought she got that from Chelsea.

Jenelle is a lost cause.   Barb already raises Jace for her, the least she could do is drive all the way to Barb's to pick him up.  

This ^^^^^. I was trying to put my finger on what bothered me so much, and it's the tone!!! It's the bitchy, impatient tone she uses with her mom, which she obviously thinks her "geriatric" mom is too old to catch onto. She's spoiled aubree all her life, and now suddenly she's a no-nonsense, no-sympathy mom. She's speaking to aubree more like an intrusive friend who won't leave her alone. 

It really annoyed me too when she said, "I'd like to lay next to my husband at some point," or whatever it was. Chelsea! Count your blessings! You were so desperate for this baby, and it's here! You also have a sweet, healthy eight-year-old, and you HAVE a husband! You have a beautiful home (if you'd clean it). Nobody has broken your heart in several years. Just a couple years ago, you would have felt blessed beyond measure with any one of these things! The way she said that rubbed me the wrong way, because she is lucky to just have a husband, and she would have realized that a couple years ago. 

She reminds me so much of a girl I know who is objectively cute, engaging, and talented. She is also a mean girl, but her now-fiancé probably has no idea, because I bet she's nice to him. Even though I didn't like her, I sympathized with her because objectively she had a lot to offer, and I did feel sorry for her because she went about five years without any semblance of a boyfriend. However, when she finally met a nice guy who's at least hovering on the outside of her league, she overly flaunts it and seems so entitled and takes him for granted. She wants everyone to believe her life is perfect and duh, it's because she's so perfect and deserves it.  It's like GIRL! We all know where you came from, just a few years ago! It's an odd spot with both her and Chelsea, because you root for them to find love, but then when they do they are really annoying about it.

Edited August 2, 2017 by Christina87

[Scarlett45]

@Christina87 I don't quite follow that Chelsea should just be so lucky to have a husband, (nothing against Cole he's a very nice man, not a sleaze bag or anything)  nor do I understand feeling sorry for someone because they didn't have a boyfriend for 5yrs. 

Again I think it might be personality differences and communication styles but I never thought Chelsea wasn't being sympathetic to Aubree, I never thought her tone was inappropriate, I didn't think she was dismissive. I'm not seeing that from her. I understand her wanting Aubree to be comfortable sleeping in her own bed since they aren't generally a co-sleeping family. 

I can find many a fault with Chelsea but I don't think criticizing or expressing displeasure at one aspect of your life right now means you are someone who's entitled, or unappreciative. No ones life is 100% perfect all the time, that doesn't mean you aren't grateful for what you have. When I moan about having to get up for work, of course I'm grateful to have a job, when I complain about my Mom and the gazillion errands she wants me to run of course I'm still thankful she's a live and well. 

Of course this might just come down to how people express their emotions differently because so many intelligent people on this board have looked at the same scenes and come to different conclusions. 

[Christina87]

Maybe it's just differences in how we live our lives. Sometimes I'm disappointed, like when I didn't get to see my boyfriend on Christmas. Then I thought of the Christmas before, when having a sweet, wonderful boyfriend like that was something I wanted really badly, and had just been dumped, right before the holidays, by a guy I really liked. I guess I just try really hard not to take things for granted, and if someone else doesn't, that is just their style. Not implying at all that you take things for granted! I just make a conscious effort whenever I can to examine the big picture, and it personally makes me happier.

What she said just rubbed me the wrong way, though, because she has been through the ringer, and having aubree sleep in her bed temporarily just seems like such a small inconvenience compared to her life a few years ago with constant Adam heartache, no decent guy on the horizon for YEARS, no hope of having the babyyyyy she wanted anytime soon, having to work when she clearly didn't want to, etc. It felt like making a mountain out of a molehill. It may have just been something she said offhandedly, but I thought she'd been miserable so long she might not be so easily annoyed about things like that. 

Also I hated that girl, but did feel sorry for her because I knew she was putting herself out there for 5+ years, dating online and dating in a small town where she wasn't likely to meet anybody. It's just hard to see someone want something so much and constantly fail, even if you don't like them! But now she is so annoying that I've almost changed my mind!

Edited August 2, 2017 by Christina87

[GreatKazu]

13 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

As much as I hate Jenelle, I don't want anyone to be abused, even other abusers. The pattern was very clear. She was actually getting along with her mom at Christmas and that pissed David off because he wants her completely dependent. There was a reasonable phone conversation happening and he HAD to talk over it and dictate it the whole time. When Jenelle dared to even say something as innocuous as "I can't focus when both of you are talking, just let me talk to you one at a time" the gloves were off because it wasn't "David, you are my macho hero and protector and my mother is an evil conniving witch." Then he plants in her head that Barb is inconveniencing them horribly. In the car, he then demanded she ask for a different meeting spot. Then again, another conversation that she started out somewhat reasonably...yes, they should have just left earlier, but Jenelle and Barb likely could have come up with a closer destination. Then he dictates and probes and riles her up AGAIN until it almost seemed like Jenelle was just parroting David's words when she finally started yelling. It was eerie. She had never even seemed to share that opinion until he bashed it into her head enough times. 

Obviously she is far from "innocent" but holy shit that was all terrifying. 

I mentioned this before, but don't mind repeating it. I know it may not be the popular opinion, but it is my honest feeling based on how Jenelle has reacted to when others were victims of domestic violence. 

At this point, if something happened to Jenelle, I wouldn't flinch. It wouldn't bother me. Why? Because I clearly remember how Jenelle had no fucks to give when the news came out Nathan had broken into his ex-girlfriend's home, assaulted her and choked her. Jenelle tweeted popcorn emojis with happy faces and commented how she was going to sit back and watch this play out. She also had to mention how the same thing happened to her. Of course, Jenelle deflects from the victim of the attack, shows no empathy or sympathy, but turns it on herself and again, let's everyone know she was a victim of Nathan. This is exactly how I feel about Amber because of how she put the blame on Matt's previous girlfriends and made that shocking comment about how they deserve whatever abuse he doled out to them because they aren't "strong women" like her. Her comments about strong women don't rat out their guys makes my blood boil just thinking about it. Both of these bitches are likely victims of these two bastards, but they only care when they are the ones who are being treated like shit, no one else gets their sympathy. I have none for these two. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Scarlett45]

@GreatKazu I'm of a similar mind. No one "deserves" abuse, but when you're a horrible violent person yourself who has abused other people, and refuses to own up to it, I'm not going to have sympathy for you when you get a taste of your own medicine. 

 

@Christina87 ah! I understand what you're saying better now thank you. I think someone can love and appreciate their partner very much but still be annoyed at the little things they do because no other human is going to do what you want 100% of the time. Someone can love their child to bits and think they are the best kid ever and still get annoyed at their behavior (my mom doesn't understand my need for tissues?). That's real life, which Chelsea is in right now. Just because she isn't stuck with a dude like Adam doesn't mean everything is smooth sailing 24/7/365, and maybe Chelsea though that it would be. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by Scarlett45