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The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

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Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

Discussing charges against Jana is NOT a jumping off point to speculate on other instances abuse/neglect etc towards the M-children or to elaborate on Josh's conviction and potential victims.  

 

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floridamom

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Thanks, Nysha. Wow, the age difference between Johanna and Josie is only 4 years? Didn't Jana say that there 'was no wrong' way to do this project. Isn't art a self-expression thing? I believe Jana changed it up a bit when she wanted the girls to do as she instructed. If the paint needed water added, why wasn't there any prepared for Josie? Obviously, she girl needed some help with it and didn't get any. I agree that they should quit filming the under age kids and stick with the 'adults' in the family....leaving out Jim Bob and Michelle completely.

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Ijustwantsomechips
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Maybe Jana needs her own thread as a token of the respect she’ll never garner as a single woman in Gothardland.  

andromeda331
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How about both hop in the plane close the door really quickly and fly off.  Abbie: "Where are we going?" JD: Cayman Islands. We're elope. And we're not coming back! Abbie: Wait we need

BitterApple
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Wow, so this is what, the fourth guy to publicly release a statement denying involvement with Jana? That must be doing wonders for her self-esteem.  These guys are starting to piss me off, though

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cmr2014

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2 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

So I watched the painting scene and Jana was patient,but firm,  with Josie.  Someone needs to be because josie has the double edge sword of being the youngest and coddled cause of her early struggles.  Same thing happened to my cousin..and it didn't turn out well.

I think you're right, but I also think that horse has already left the barn.

Jana is Josie's sister, not her mother. Her mother (and father) have failed her as parents, and a firm, but loving sister will not be able to make up for that. I think that your cousin's fate is already in the cards for Josie.

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Nysha

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5 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

Her mother (and father) have failed her as parents...

Yeah, they failed all their children but Josie is going to have a particularly rough time in their world. At best she turns out like Lauren, a complete drama queen who is unable to fake being happy, at worse she ends up like poor Tabitha, too old to have many choices so she ends up with an unrepentant anal rapist.

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BitterApple

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2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree with you all. Josie has the worst combination of neglect and too much attention. I think she is kind of laid back emotionally, so she may end up like Joy when things are going her way and like Jessa when things aren't.

I agree, and to add to that, none of Josie's siblings seem particularly fond of her. I always get the vibe they tolerate her rather than see her as a peer or friend. But hey, given that Jana isn't likely to marry, Josie can prattle around the TTH with her after everyone else has moved out. 

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lascuba

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On 7/5/2020 at 2:14 PM, cmr2014 said:

I think you're right, but I also think that horse has already left the barn.

Jana is Josie's sister, not her mother. Her mother (and father) have failed her as parents, and a firm, but loving sister will not be able to make up for that. I think that your cousin's fate is already in the cards for Josie.

I agree. Unlike for the rest of her sibling peers, Josie's older siblings are just her siblings and not pseudo parents, because Michelle actually raised her early on. She's not going to acknowledge Jana's authority like the other kids do.

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Temperance

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I mentioned this in the TLC/media thread but US Weekly has interview with Jana Duggar! 

Full headline:

Jana Duggar Longs to Be Married But Is ‘Making the Most’ of Her Single Years: ‘I’m Not That Worried’

Dating herself first! Jana Duggar isn’t too stressed about her love life right now but hopes she’ll still be able to find The One someday.

“I’m not that worried,” the Growing Up Duggar: It’s All About Relationships coauthor, 30, said while speaking to Us Weekly exclusively with her mother, Michelle Duggar, on Thursday, July 2. “Yes, I long to be married and one day I think that will come, but I think … I’m just also just trying to stay busy with whatever comes along my path.”

While the 19 Kids and Counting alum admitted that she sometimes feels “a little more pressure” to take the next big step, she’s focusing on “making the most” of her single years. “I think if I sit there and I’m like, ‘Oh no, I’m not married’ and just [get] all worried about it, it makes things way worse,” she explained.

Jana previously opened up about her dating life during an October 2019 episode of TLC’s Counting On, admitting that there “have been a number of guys” who have asked her out — but “none of them worked out.”

“[My siblings] have been in relationships, courtships, whatever you want to label it as. Of course, it doesn’t always end in marriage and that’s OK,” she said at the time. “You have to sometimes talk to someone, get to know someone and realize, you know what, it doesn’t have to end in marriage.”

While many of her family members have already walked down the aisle and started families of their own, Jana is holding out hope that someday she’ll find a lifelong love like her parents have had for more than 30 years.

“They’re quick to forgive and to make, really try to make things right,” the reality star told Us of her mom, 53, and dad, Jim Bob Duggar, who exchanged their vows in 1984. “The genuine love that they still have for one another … this young love and they still have that, you know, today. I think that’s rare to see couples that are their age and been married that long.”

The season 11 premiere of Counting On airs on TLC on Tuesday, July 7, at 8 p.m. ET.

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Marshmallow Mollie

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6 hours ago, Temperance said:

. “The genuine love that they still have for one another … this young love and they still have that, you know, today. I think that’s rare to see couples that are their age and been married that long.”

WTF?!?!

First of all, young love. I’ve been with my husband for 21 years and married for 15. Sure, he can drive me up one wall and down another, and I can anticipate what he is going to say before he says it, but I would take a mature, tested marriage over what I thought love was on my wedding day, any day of the week. Young love is shallow and sex-driven. Twenty years in, the depths of love and trust and shared experience is fulfilling and enriching. I don’t want to say better, but it’s better. And the sex is better.

Secondly, shouldn’t their culture celebrate the advantages of having a long marriage? Make a long and happy marriage the goal post and not a perpetual honeymoon marriage?

Finally, considering how few people Jana knows, what the hell with knocking other long term marriages? Is she saying her parents’ marriage is better than the Caldwell’s? The Forsyth’s? I know in actuality she is just parroting back what has been said, and tsk tsk to the Duggars knocking other marriages. At least talk about it only to each other, not in front of your children, however “grown” they are.

What a strange article from start to finish. Super weird Michelle was there. Interesting Jana backed off the courtship definitions. I think the Duggars realized they messed up with all this courtship business.

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ginger90

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7 hours ago, Temperance said:

. “The genuine love that they still have for one another … this young love and they still have that, you know, today. I think that’s rare to see couples that are their age and been married that long.”

Based on their ages when they married, it makes it somewhat “rare”, I suppose.

Their anniversary is July 24, 1984. Jim Bob was 19, Michelle was 17, from what I recall.

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Taking her statements at face value (stupid thing to do considering she's a Duggar, I know), it seems like Jana really does idealize her parents' marriage and is waiting for that lightening strike. I'm comparing her to my perception of Jessa, who I think looks at her parents and understands intuitively that Michelle settled with a man a lot more into her than she was into him, and that she makes a thousand tiny compromises to keep him sweet so she can get what she wants in the larger scheme of things. That's something I thought Jessa was attempting to emulate when she settled on Ben.

Jana seems to look at her parents and genuinely believe that they're a love match for the ages, and she wants a man that she'll love so much it will be easy to submit, when the reality is that the reason that marriage works is because Michelle is much more calculating than her adoring gaze and high pitched simpering would have one believe. Jana is clearly a strong-willed person, and I think one reason her relationships haven't worked out is because she's waiting for a man that will make her want to do nothing but gaze and simper, not realizing that it's all an act on Michelle's part to keep things running smoothly.

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Minivanessa

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1 hour ago, lascuba said:

Taking her statements at face value (stupid thing to do considering she's a Duggar, I know), it seems like Jana really does idealize her parents' marriage and is waiting for that lightening strike. I'm comparing her to my perception of Jessa, who I think looks at her parents and understands intuitively that Michelle settled with a man a lot more into her than she was into him, and that she makes a thousand tiny compromises to keep him sweet so she can get what she wants in the larger scheme of things. That's something I thought Jessa was attempting to emulate when she settled on Ben.

Jana seems to look at her parents and genuinely believe that they're a love match for the ages, and she wants a man that she'll love so much it will be easy to submit, when the reality is that the reason that marriage works is because Michelle is much more calculating than her adoring gaze and high pitched simpering would have one believe. Jana is clearly a strong-willed person, and I think one reason her relationships haven't worked out is because she's waiting for a man that will make her want to do nothing but gaze and simper, not realizing that it's all an act on Michelle's part to keep things running smoothly.

This really resonates with me. It's hard to know if that's what Jana thinks or if she's just very good at spouting her parents' official party line.

Assuming she believes what she says, it doesn't surprise me. She apparently has had extremely limited contact with the world outside her family of origin. It's not just that she lives in her parents' home; lots of adults do that - but still develop their own lives and ideas. And they develop, over time, their own perspective on their parents (vs. what they believe about them as a child). That comes from having a mind that's strong enough to survive any indoctrination you went through in childhood (if any), and from getting out and about in the world on your own. Even just normal schooling, work experiences, being out and about in the world doing daily stuff. You rub up against different people and ideas and that affects how you view your own family. 

Jana's not just physically residing at the TTH; she has no life outside her family, as far as we can tell. Certainly she has no life outside the church/IBLP/family circles that her parents have staked out as acceptable. I don't know if they require Jana to have an accountability partner to leave the house, or if that's just made-for-TV bullsh*t.

OTOH, Jana may have some insight into how her parents' marriage really works. But if so, she's either buried them so far that she's unconsciously parroting the official family line, or she's more aware of those subversive thoughts and is somewhat consciously parroting it. 

I don't know what she really thinks, but she's certainly had few opportunities to mature in any way other than how her parents have shaped her life and mind. She may have a naturally very private nature and shy away from intimacy. But anyway she's been a Duggar rockstar at keeping sweet and spouting the party line, so JB must consider her a great asset to the family business. If only he could generate a courtship and marriage for her, to perk up the ratings for the TV show, she'd be just about perfect. For him.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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18 hours ago, Temperance said:

Also if I didn't spend too much time here, I wouldn't know which brother is Jed!, running for office. That's pretty dumb; they should make it clear who Jed! is. 

I think that's an excellent point. ... As I look at Jed!, though, I see not just a punchable face but an unelectable face....So maybe there's an upside. 😁

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Churchhoney

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16 hours ago, emma675 said:

Wtf are they trying to accomplish with this? It's basically just a row of ignorant, entitled, arrogant white men. You can find that almost anywhere. 

Is this the group that sings together? I think it might be.....I'm sure Josiah isn't part of the singing group, and I kind of think Jackson isn't either. but  Joe definitely is.

So....maybe they intend to use it as their PR picture....They don't seem to sing in public that much but they do once in a while. Maybe they'd send a picture around to solicit gigs or something. 

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dargosmydaddy

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22 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Is this the group that sings together? I think it might be.....I'm sure Josiah isn't part of the singing group, and I kind of think Jackson isn't either. but  Joe definitely is.

I thought at one point Jackson was allowed to sing with them... but maybe he got booted out since then.

(Found this video from January, and Jackson sang:

 

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Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

Discussing charges against Jana is NOT a jumping off point to speculate on other instances abuse/neglect etc towards the M-children or to elaborate on Josh's conviction and potential victims.  

 

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