The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

[Annb67]

13 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

 My first reaction is this is creepy

Pity roses...how nice. Nothing says "Thanks for being our modern-day slave" better than a can full of roses.

Edited February 20, 2018 by Annb67

[GeeGolly]

Jana looks like she's getting ready to go to a stop light and sell flowers. Why not put them in a few vases and spread the beauty?

[AnnieBeez]

10 hours ago, Vaysh said:

Jana getting flowers from her brothers is indeed both creepy and sad. And yet kind of sweet in a slightly clueless sort of way I never thought any Duggar male could ever be. (The sweet part, not the clueless).

Like, I'm trying to understand the thought process behind this. Are they convinced that Jana will never get any Valentine flowers from other men? Are they trying to comfort her? Are they taking the piss? Are they showing their appreciation for her role as sister mom? Support for her single status? Because by the looks of it they actually got together and planned this, so there's got to be some kind of thought behind it.

And Jana looks as ambivalent as I feel about the whole thing. Because that is one massive bouquet of roses. That she just got. From her brothers.

These people are weird.

I think it's because they can't get away with giving her flowers on Mother's Day.

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Jana looks like she's getting ready to go to a stop light and sell flowers. Why not put them in a few vases and spread the beauty?

Because of their "bigger is better" mindset. That's why they value their family more as the number of kids they have pumped out than by the individual personality.

[louannems]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Jana looks like she's getting ready to go to a stop light and sell flowers. Why not put them in a few vases and spread the beauty?

Because with this family, it's always all about quantity.

[Whyyouneedaname]

10 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Yeah. Nothing quite says "we pity you" more than an industrial size stock pot full of roses from your brothers on Valentine's day. Damn. 

I'd drown myself. 

the "Happy Singles Awareness Day" comes to mind when I see this.

[Churchhoney]

16 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

 My first reaction is this is creepy

Well, at least it seems to show that somebody kinda sorta understands how much she does for everybody and that they may somewhat appreciate it. ... Look at the thimble-sized bouquets the Duggarlings wives and courtees have tended to get from their fundyMen. So a big bouquet may actually mean something around there. And she does deserve appreciation. 

[Churchhoney]

12 hours ago, EVS said:

I’m wondering if JB and Michelle require all non-courting male Duggar kids to each buy a dozen roses for Jana on Valentines Day.  I doubt the boys came up with the idea themselves.

 

Wow. I'd bet on the boys coming with the idea way before I'd think JB and M came up with it.

Her parents have been the lead actors in treating her like shit. Plus, those two creeps never appreciate anybody but themselves.

Seems a lot more likely to me that the boys see all the stuff she does all the time; felt a little bit bad that, despite working harder than anybody in the family, all she gets is constantly ignored and kicked in the teeth; and figured they could club together and make some sort of gesture.

The boys seem occasionally to have been glimpsed appreciating Jana, such as at Joe's wedding, I seem to recall. And JD seems to appreciate her at times. 

Since they're members of the dumb, forcibly-kept-ignorant, out-of-if Duggar clan, it's not surprising that they'd pick a cliched gesture that may not be quite appropriate (although I can't see that it's as horrific as many people are saying -- lots of people get flowers from non-sex-partners on lots of occasions, including corpses, so why not Jana the 24-hour maid of all work from some of the people she works so hard for?)

It's not as if any gift or positive comment from a Duggar to a Duggar has ever been anything but 100-percent generic. So they came up with a generic-for-women present -- flowers. Plus, Jana's actually believed to like gardens. So maybe it's not even all that generic, in their tiny minds. 

Edited February 20, 2018 by Churchhoney

[StaceyNotStacie]

Jana’s face looks a bit different in that picture. I don’t know if it’s age or stress catching up with her, but I didn’t recognize her at first. 

[jennblevins]

6 minutes ago, Stacey1014 said:

Jana’s face looks a bit different in that picture. I don’t know if it’s age or stress catching up with her, but I didn’t recognize her at first. 

She kind of looks like she’s clenching her teeth and forcing herself to smile, which wouldn’t really be surprising. Of course, it also probably wouldn’t be anything different, so ...

[BitterApple]

I'd bet every dime I have that Laura came up with the idea and all the boys did was half-heartedly scrawl their names on the card.

The only time I've ever seen a Duggar male do something sweet for their sister was when Jackson won a boatload of tickets at the arcade and used them to buy a prize for Hannie. Other than that? They don't do jack shit. I still get angry at the scene of Jana mopping the floor while the boys lounged around on the couch. 

[Marigold]

43 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I'd bet every dime I have that Laura came up with the idea and all the boys did was half-heartedly scrawl their names on the card.

The only time I've ever seen a Duggar male do something sweet for their sister was when Jackson won a boatload of tickets at the arcade and used them to buy a prize for Hannie. Other than that? They don't do jack shit. I still get angry at the scene of Jana mopping the floor while the boys lounged around on the couch. 

You're totally right. Laura came up with that idea and I bet the boys were happy to participate but no way they thought that up on their own.  They wouldn't because they don't really UNDERSTAND that Jana is doing anything extra. To them, it's expected and normal.  Laura, or someone, must see how hard Jana works and thought she deserved a thank you. 

[Christina87]

On 2/16/2018 at 1:44 PM, Heathen said:

Did you have a medical reason for having that procedure? I'm at a loss why Lauren would have surgery for cosmetic purposes. 

I did it for cosmetic purposes. My dad's a dentist, so smiles are really important to him, hehe. I'm a big wimp when it comes to surgery, but luckily it went easily for me! Plus, I had a suuuuper gummy smile, and now it is normal!

7 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, at least it seems to show that somebody kinda sorta understands how much she does for everybody and that they may somewhat appreciate it. ... Look at the thimble-sized bouquets the Duggarlings wives and courtees have tended to get from their fundyMen. So a big bouquet may actually mean something around there. And she does deserve appreciation. 

Really hoping (somewhat doubting) it's this. I'm thinking possibly a storyline for the show, so everyone can see the brothers planning it, and then acting clueless about how to execute it!

[GeeGolly]

7 hours ago, Stacey1014 said:

Jana’s face looks a bit different in that picture. I don’t know if it’s age or stress catching up with her, but I didn’t recognize her at first. 

I noticed the same thing and thought a first wisdom teeth, but I believe Jill and Jana had their wisdom teeth removed in an episode of 19 Kids. Her cheeks and/or jowls look swollen.

[Christina87]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I noticed the same thing and thought a first wisdom teeth, but I believe Jill and Jana had their wisdom teeth removed in an episode of 19 Kids. Her cheeks and/or jowls look swollen.

You never know! I had to get mine out twice, because they thought my upper ones would never come in. I think jana and Jill had all four done, though. 

[PradaKitty]

Yeah, I had two sets of wisdom teeth!  

[Christina87]

25 minutes ago, PradaKitty said:

Yeah, I had two sets of wisdom teeth!  

Whoaaaaa!!! How did this happen?!

[Sew Sumi]

I wonder how long this "listening" will last?

[PradaKitty]

Dunno why I had the two sets of wisdom teeth, but my cousin had two full sets of adult teeth!  Apparently we’re quite the chewy family...

[DragonFaerie]

48 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I wonder how long this "listening" will last?

I thought the rule when courting or engaged was no private texts or calls without Boob and J'chelle on it - where are their photos in the convo??? And Si if you are doing this without them knowing - You Rock!

[DragonFaerie]

On February 19, 2018 at 2:46 PM, OpieTaylor said:

 

Dear Howlers and J boys, there better be a burner phone at the bottom for her to go online without Boob and J'chelle knowing as well as keys to an apt safe house for her.  That is all.

[Sew Sumi]

10 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

I thought the rule when courting or engaged was no private texts or calls without Boob and J'chelle on it - where are their photos in the convo??? And Si if you are doing this without them knowing - You Rock!

I'm sure Duggarfam has notifications turned on for his account. Who knows how close they're monitoring the actual conversations? Are they sitting three feet away like Jill or allowing more freedom like seems to have been the case for later courtships like Jinger's?

[DragonFaerie]

8 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I'm sure Duggarfam has notifications turned on for his account. Who knows how close they're monitoring the actual conversations? Are they sitting three feet away like Jill or allowing more freedom like seems to have been the case for later courtships like Jinger's?

Perhaps they should let go of following their TTH kids texts and online prescence and just spend their full time following Josh????

[Lunera]

Josiah just needs to flip his phone sideways then you'll see Boob and Michelle on either side.

Poor girl, this is the first guy she's allowed interaction with, so she thinks it's love. You don't have to settle for a balding, unemployed 21 year old ya know. 

[Lady Edith]

I have a feeling that the rules are way different for the boys than the girls.  I don't remember seeing JoshUA having phone conversations with JB and Michelle in the room.  In fact, I can remember a few instances where he went outside and had conversations with Anna.  And didn't he drive all the way down to Florida, sans chaperone, to propose to Anna in that horrid cheap chain restaurant.  What a place to propose, Josh.  The least you could've done is waited till the group arrived home and knocked on the door.  But that's me.  

[Temperance]

35 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

I have a feeling that the rules are way different for the boys than the girls.  I don't remember seeing JoshUA having phone conversations with JB and Michelle in the room.  In fact, I can remember a few instances where he went outside and had conversations with Anna.  And didn't he drive all the way down to Florida, sans chaperone, to propose to Anna in that horrid cheap chain restaurant.  What a place to propose, Josh.  The least you could've done is waited till the group arrived home and knocked on the door.  But that's me.  

My memory is he was going to do it somewhere outside, but it was raining and the restaurant was plan B.  But you maybe right about the different rules for boys.  Also I remember Josh giving Anna hug after proposing and him thinking it wasn't a big deal that it wasn't a side hug. 

[mynextmistake]

51 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

I have a feeling that the rules are way different for the boys than the girls.  I don't remember seeing JoshUA having phone conversations with JB and Michelle in the room.  In fact, I can remember a few instances where he went outside and had conversations with Anna.  And didn't he drive all the way down to Florida, sans chaperone, to propose to Anna in that horrid cheap chain restaurant.  What a place to propose, Josh.  The least you could've done is waited till the group arrived home and knocked on the door.  But that's me.  

I remember that! At the time I thought it was sad because Anna’s parents were supposedly taking her out for a “special birthday dinner” but it was blatantly obvious that they were at a Denny’s. I mean, I get money being an object, but why not just cook her favorite meal at home and use the restaurant money for a small gift? 

I feel bad for Anna in general. She had a taste of the good life — nice restaurants, new clothes, a nice place to live — and then Josh’s penis ruined the whole thing. Now she’s back to thrift stores, a fixer-upper house provided by JB, and date night with Domino’s. 

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, Temperance said:

My memory is he was going to do it somewhere outside, but it was raining and the restaurant was plan B.  But you maybe right about the different rules for boys.  Also I remember Josh giving Anna hug after proposing and him thinking it wasn't a big deal that it wasn't a side hug. 

It was a very awkward side hug. Anna almost recoiled from it. 

[Temperance]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

It was a very awkward side hug. Anna almost recoiled from it. 

Okay I don't remember the hug, just him talking about it. 

[ginger90]

Here you go, the engagement:

[tabloidlover]

Is there a reason Anna has zero words in that video?   She just sits with her mouth open and I heard a wow at some point.   Very weird.

[momofsquid]

Well, that was very awkward in every conceivable way.

[Fuzzysox]

10 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

I thought the rule when courting or engaged was no private texts or calls without Boob and J'chelle on it - where are their photos in the convo??? And Si if you are doing this without them knowing - You Rock!

Mechelle and Boob are to busy to care. They want him married off.....for the "brand."

[Absolom]

8 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

I remember that! At the time I thought it was sad because Anna’s parents were supposedly taking her out for a “special birthday dinner” but it was blatantly obvious that they were at a Denny’s.

Not a Denny's.  It was a local seafood/fish restaurant called Gator Landing or something like that.  He was going to propose on the deck overlooking the water, but it rained. 

[Barb23]

11 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

I thought the rule when courting or engaged was no private texts or calls without Boob and J'chelle on it - where are their photos in the convo??? And Si if you are doing this without them knowing - You Rock!

Just thinking that they're listening in really gives me the creeps.  Seeing their faces on the screen would make it much worse.  I cant imagine the courting Jeremy put up with this nonsense. Maybe he figured he would just go along knowing he was moving Jinge out of state and away frome these idiots after the wedding. 

I didn't watch video & it may have been mentioned there but I think the restaurant was called Alligator Alley or something similar. Think they were supposed to sit outside but then the rains came moving them inside. My favorite part is the delivery guy walking thru the scene.

Josh made it seem like they were dining at some fancy expensive restaurant. 

Oops, seems @Absolom & I are replying same time. 

[FakeJoshDuggar]

God, I had blocked out Anna’s scrunchy perm with the limp, mega straight bangs. That video just brought it all back. 

[Mimiray802]

I know I'm a little late on this but I'll give them a pass on the roses. Not everyone knows that red is romantic love. That is a cultural thing that I never grew up with. My father and brother for years gave me and my sister  two red roses each on Valentines day also along with  the dozen he gave our mother. Where he grew up the only time roses were normally sold was around Valentines day and only red. I didn't know they had different meanings until I was an adult.  Every act this family does doesn't have to be creepy. There are many things they do that are cultural and although I'm not a southern white fundamentalist. I did grow up in the south and some things are regional... taken to the extreme mind you but still the regional.  My father still sends us flowers on Valentines and we are both married. He doesn't send red anymore because my mother finally convinced him otherwise but when my sister and I teased him about it some years ago he said he thought red was just a sign of love and white was for funerals because to him all he ever saw was red on Valentines day. 

[Portia]

1 hour ago, Mimiray802 said:

I know I'm a little late on this but I'll give them a pass on the roses. Not everyone knows that red is romantic love. That is a cultural thing that I never grew up with. My father and brother for years gave me and my sister  two red roses each on Valentines day also along with  the dozen he gave our mother. Where he grew up the only time roses were normally sold was around Valentines day and only red. I didn't know they had different meanings until I was an adult.  Every act this family does doesn't have to be creepy.

Agree, agree.

Also, people are allowed to simply like a particular type or color of flower because that's what they like. My daughter's favorite color has always been yellow, so her husband often gives her yellow roses (even though it would be more "correct" to give her red) because she likes yellow roses. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Lots of kids give their moms roses (of any color) on days like Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, etc. The boys were just giving their real mom flowers. 

[Fostersmom]

Out of all the fucked up things Josh has done, his proposal to Anna doesn't even make the list. Granted, I'd be super uncomfortable and pissed if someone proposed to me in the middle (or even on the deck) of a restaurant, but it wasn't horrible. It was a basic proposal. I actually like it much better than these over the top ridiculous proposals. And don't even get me stared on the new trend of kids needing a fucking parade to ask someone to Homecoming. God forbid you just ask and they just say yes. It makes me all stabby when I see 17 pictures of posters, balloons, flowers, and a scavenger hunt that's apparently needed by Bobby and Susie just to ask if she wants to go to the local high school dance held in the gym they had PE class in the day before. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On 2/11/2018 at 5:13 PM, DragonFaerie said:

Ok 2 things bug me.  I know, only two, but I'm low on coffee.  1) all that land and no garden area, not even flowers or anything pretty and enjoying - like a gazebo, or pretty pond or anything.  I know it's winter, but you'd still see the garden beds.  That makes me sad.

2) Johannah got a new effing dress for her BIRTHDAY from a freakin' thrift store, but Josiah has a North Face Jacket???  How does that make any sense?????

Well, Johannah is female a just lowly help-meet in training while Josiah is a man future Christian patriarch, so obviously he gets better stuff.

And guys who have the same um, *preferences*, that Josiah seems to have are (stereotyping here, I know) really into their clothes....

Edited February 21, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Obsidian]

Wow, Josh wins the romantic proposal prize. 

"Come here!"

"Anna, will you marry me?"

[Absolom]

This page has photos of the deck where the proposal was to take place.  Definitely better than at the table.

[BitterApple]

Nothing says class like being proposed to in a restaurant with plastic fish on the walls.

[PradaKitty]

So even Duggars can’t control the weather....

[Genevrier]

On 2/20/2018 at 10:53 AM, jennblevins said:

She kind of looks like she’s clenching her teeth and forcing herself to smile, which wouldn’t really be surprising. Of course, it also probably wouldn’t be anything different, so ...

“You’ve got 3 seconds to take the damn picture before I throw this whole load of creepy pity flowers on the floor. And I won’t be cleaning it up.”

[asuwur]

Does anyone else think of Adrian from the original "Rocky" movie; an awkward, scared mess when seeing early Anna? 

I agree that things are more relaxed for the male Duggars....I bet they'd be so overjoyed for JD to court, they wouldn't require sidehugs and chaperones at all...

[Panopticon]

8 hours ago, Portia said:

Agree, agree.

Also, people are allowed to simply like a particular type or color of flower because that's what they like. My daughter's favorite color has always been yellow, so her husband often gives her yellow roses (even though it would be more "correct" to give her red) because she likes yellow roses. 

That was my thought too. I grew up watching my father give my mother yellow roses because those are her particular favorite. (Apparently the florist who handled their wedding begged them to choose another color, arguing that yellow roses symbolize infidelity and are the wrong way to start a marriage, but that didn't deter them.)

Now, I don't believe for a second that one person in that whole ginormous family knows what color Jana likes best. Or what sort of flowers. Or whether she likes flowers. But I don't think the gift was per se creepy.

[Fuzzysox]

2 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Nothing says class like being proposed to in a restaurant with plastic fish on the walls.

Hey it was fancy!! 

[Sew Sumi]

I was proposed to over dinner, but I can guarantee you that it wasn't Gator Landing.