Season 2 Discussion

[MrSmith]

7 hours ago, jumper sage said:

I will never agree with Ansifa hitting Jorge.  He should take the tapes to the D.A., convict her and get an annulment and deport her ass.  Don't get me wrong, he is an asshole too for lying but nothing makes it ok to hit someone.

I am hoping that when all is said and done, Jorge will take the tapes to the D.A. and have her prosecuted. In the meantime, as far as I'm concerned, he's suffering through the karma he (both literally and figuratively) purchased for himself. Nothing would make me happier than to see her deported; not even seeing Muhammit deported would make me as happy.

4 hours ago, Verojama said:

Well actually pedro ate the foot.. mither pefro did that because if the prenup.. but not getting out of the campo was complete disrespect.. the grandmother was there how discusting is that if i was pedro i would loose all respect for chantel family and what happens to the marriage now 

Well, let's be honest: this marriage was never going to survive. First, they're only together because the sex is good and they like how the other looks. Second, the lies she forced Pedro to help perpetrate means her family holds him in much lower regard than they would have otherwise. (And they definitely would have held him in lower regard because of the K1 visa.) Their lies during the 90 day period are what precipitated the pre-nup, in my opinion. And that, of course, means that the two families start off hostile toward one another. Of course, there's also the fact that the lies mean that River is never going to accept Pedro, even if their parents eventually would. So, it's been headed for a Hindenburg-style disaster from the word "go" because of the lies she chose to tell at the outset, and I think they would probably have still divorced eventually once the sex wasn't as good (and, let's face it, vacation sex is the best sex).

[greekmom]

15 hours ago, Former Nun said:

So there would be no negative reactions if Jorge were hitting Anfisa...in this particular and very unique situation?  

I say Anfisa can hold her own against the malaka putz like Jorge.  Put them in a mud wrestling ring and TLC can film it.

[Guest]

I remember Chantel saying that Pedro has refused, for a year and a month, to be in the same room with her parents or siblings. Pedro is not innocent in this at all. I only saw one little nibble on that chicken foot and I have watched a lot of men eat crap in order to fool others. I'm beginning to think he was behind the incident.

[Drogo]

4 minutes ago, Swim mom said:

I remember Chantel saying that Pedro has refused, for a year and a month, to be in the same room with her parents or siblings. Pedro is not innocent in this at all. I only saw one little nibble on that chicken foot and I have watched a lot of men eat crap in order to fool others. I'm beginning to think he was behind the incident.

IMO, Pedro did not want to eat that chicken foot.  He held onto it until it was absolutely necessary, then did this when it became clear they did not believe him:

Both families are grudgey, selfish and immature, and what's worse - their offspring reflect it. 

Chantel and Pedro should be each other's #1, and they're not even each other's #4.

[MrSmith]

9 minutes ago, Swim mom said:

I remember Chantel saying that Pedro has refused, for a year and a month, to be in the same room with her parents or siblings. Pedro is not innocent in this at all. I only saw one little nibble on that chicken foot and I have watched a lot of men eat crap in order to fool others. I'm beginning to think he was behind the incident.

I can't really blame him if this is his position, though; can you? I mean, why would you want to be around people who are going to be continually accusatory and suspicious about your reasons for marrying their daughter/sibling? And it may also be that he's uncomfortable because of the lies Chantel got him to help perpetrate. 

[gonecrackers]

Given the weird 'sister' interaction & all that is happening do we know Chantel & Pedro are even married? Or are they both trying to be 'actors' & make a few bucks? 

Anfisa is a nut job & Jorge is a liar but he still seems to want her right? If he does then he's got what he wants. If not he could easily send her back at this point but that's not what's happening.

[Drogo]

13 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

Given the weird 'sister' interaction & all that is happening do we know Chantel & Pedro are even married? Or are they both trying to be 'actors' & make a few bucks?

The show says Chantel and Pedro are married, and that's good enough for me.  The show says that Nicole is his sister and Lidia is his mother, and that's good enough for me.

I had to LOL when Pedro tells them Chantel is upset that they are paying for N&L to have a big apartment while bayBEE herself has to sleep 20 inches from the refrigerator, and Nicole's reponse is "Then she should get a bigger apartment! Don't be mad at ours!" as if that makes any sense at all in any universe. 

**Back to chicken feet, Lidia called them asadura.  Asadura translates directly into "entrails" and there's a Spanish phrase "tiene asadura" that means someone is slovenly and lazy.  Methinks those feet were intended as double-fisted insult for Family Chantel.   

[KBrownie]

1 hour ago, MrSmith said:

So you're saying that her jumping into his arms like a lover at the airport, him grabbing her ass, and his referring to her as "my sexiest" is just perfectly normal behaviour between siblings? And while you think they look "very similar", I do not see it.

 

There's a canyon sized gap between "they don't act like most siblings" and "OMG they're secret lovers out to scam Chantel."  Also, one is pure, unsupported fantasy.  Where's your evidence that they are secret lovers? Yeah, there is none. An exuberant hug and what could have been a joke after not seeing each other after a year isn't going to cut it. 

[MrSmith]

@KBrownie Well, whatever. We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I've no intention of changing my position that something is off about their relationship. My wife has gone more than a year a couple of times without seeing her brothers. Yet she didn't leap into their arms and they didn't grab her ass. They've also never made any sexualized remarks about her, either. On the other hand, when we had to live apart for 6 months because I had to relocate for work, she about knocked me over in her eagerness for a hug when we saw each other again. And yes, I grabbed her ass.

[KBrownie]

10 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

@KBrownie Well, whatever. We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I've no intention of changing my position that something is off about their relationship. My wife has gone more than a year a couple of times without seeing her brothers. Yet she didn't leap into their arms and they didn't grab her ass. They've also never made any sexualized remarks about her, either. On the other hand, when we had to live apart for 6 months because I had to relocate for work, she about knocked me over in her eagerness for a hug when we saw each other again. And yes, I grabbed her ass.

You've now changed your phrasing, which was my original point. You can't logically argue that they are secret lovers in some clandestine mission against Chantel and her parents.

Something being "off about their relationship," your new phrasing, is entirely different.  If the latter was your original intention, maybe stay away from easily disproven sensational pronouncements that have no basis in actual fact. 

[MrSmith]

1 minute ago, KBrownie said:

You've now changed your phrasing, which was my original point. You can't logically argue that they are secret lovers in some clandestine mission against Chantel and her parents.

Something being "off about their relationship," your new phrasing, is entirely different.  If the latter was your original intention, maybe stay away from easily disproven sensational pronouncements that have no basis in actual fact. 

I posed it as a possibility. There is something off about the entire family. The mother and sister are far too concerned about getting material things. Why couldn't it be a possibility? I've previously acknowledged it's a theory. There will eventually be additional information found that will either prove or disprove it. Until then, it's a theory and a workable one. What evidence do you have that makes my theory "easily disproven"? I haven't seen any yet.

[Drogo]

He thought she was going to jump up, and she didn't. 

He realized where his hand was and quickly moved it. 

Like how many times someone's gone to kiss me on the cheek and and accidentally kissed me on the lips because we turned the same direction.

[KateHearts]

2 hours ago, MrSmith said:

 

The few men that I work with who also watch this show do not find her attractive, either. Neither do I. None of us would've looked at her twice walking down the sidewalk.

I would take note if I saw her in the street- to think, "what's she done to her face?"

[Wings]

None of these marriages will work and it baffles me that they continue to try.  

Russ, Paola is doing soft porn which leads to an escort job, which I think is the agency's primary business.  The woman at the agency dropped her from the roster when she learned she was  married and he was moving to Miami!   Her friend's husband was a plant and friend of the agency, clearly.  

Pedro walks into the exuberant embraces from his family saying,  "where is the TV?"  Not just once either. They were very upset.  Lol!  Hideous people.  My favorite part of that visit was learning that none of them ate chicken feet.  Chantel, run like the wind.

We can see by the preview that Danielle does not get the annulment next week.  Like we could not have guessed that one.  

On 7/24/2017 at 11:54 AM, okerry said:

Just get Danielle to marry Alexei's brother! Problem solved!

Brilliant!  Lol

[KateHearts]

40 minutes ago, KBrownie said:

There's a canyon sized gap between "they don't act like most siblings" and "OMG they're secret lovers out to scam Chantel."  Also, one is pure, unsupported fantasy.  Where's your evidence that they are secret lovers? Yeah, there is none. An exuberant hug and what could have been a joke after not seeing each other after a year isn't going to cut it. 

Yeah, my brother better not try that "joke" on me.

[Mr. Miner]

19 hours ago, Dobian said:

That's about all she can do.  Pao's face and body are not up to the standard for being a legitimate model.  Just because you look hot at a nightclub doesn't make you model material.

I think the spicy latino skank could be a bartender or succeed in the porn industry. Russ cut your losses and go home, she's never leaving Miami, leave the skank there.

[Wings]

Afista  is not trophy wife material and I doubt her friend will be able to find her a man.  Rich ment who marry younger beauties usually find someone who will help them socially and can manage the house and hired help at the very least.  

George, contact TLC and propose a makeover show for yourself that involves a life coach, as well.  

[gonecrackers]

1 hour ago, Drogo said:

The show says Chantel and Pedro are married, and that's good enough for me.  The show says that Nicole is his sister and Lidia is his mother, and that's good enough for me.

I tend to question everything, but that kind of adds to how I get into these shows. I know I'll never know the real truth about most people on reality shows. They're like a different kind of soap opera LOL.

[MrSmith]

4 hours ago, Drogo said:

**Back to chicken feet, Lidia called them asadura.  Asadura translates directly into "entrails" and there's a Spanish phrase "tiene asadura" that means someone is slovenly and lazy.  Methinks those feet were intended as double-fisted insult for Family Chantel.   

That is interesting. Makes sense! But what do I know? I believe in imaginary theories....

[poeticlicensed]

The Interwebs are full of interesting information. Just Google Sanky Panky. 

More info. 

https://viktoriyaandoksana.com/sanky-panky/

Look at #8

[nlkm9]

17 hours ago, biakbiak said:

This didn't happen, it was Pedro not his mother who brought the plate of chicken feet to the table.

ok she handed the bowl over to him with a smirk. same amount of disrespect.

[magemaud]

When Pedro held up the dress he had bought for his sister, I don't think he said anything "sex-eee"  about it. My close captioning said something like "and now, my secret weapon!" 

[JoBeth70]

On 7/24/2017 at 0:32 AM, MrHufflepuff said:

I've had chicken feet before at Chinese restaurants, and I think they taste pretty good, but it's one of those foods that you have to use your hands with, so it can be a bit messy.  But it was a bit odd that Pedro's family didn't eat them.  It would have been different if that was Pedro's favorite and he was dying to eat it, but that didn't really seem to be the case.  Eh, I ate slow roasted pig's feet the other day, and those were delicious, so I guess I really don't have a problem with eating feet in general.

I ate rabbit testicles in a restaurant in Italy. You honor the culture you are visiting and Eat. Their. Damn. Food.

[Wings]

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

The Interwebs are full of interesting information. Just Google Sanky Panky. 

More info. 

https://viktoriyaandoksana.com/sanky-panky/

Look at #8

#8 A sanky will have many other tourist girlfriends and most likely he will have a Dominican “wife” that he will call his “sister” or his “cousin” when you meet his family.

I think you nailed it @MrSmith!

[magemaud]

Wow! Pedro definitely might be up to some Sanky-Hanky-Panky! I wonder if The Family Chantel is aware there is such a phenomenon.

By leaving Pedro, Nicole and his mother behind at La Abuela's, that gave Pedro and Nicole some quality reunion time out of sight of The Family Chantel. But, I'm still wondering how Pedro, Mama and his "Sister" got back to town when their ride left because it was hours away.

Edited July 26, 2017 by magemaud

[Former Nun]

7 hours ago, Drogo said:

He thought she was going to jump up, and she didn't. 

Is that President Trump in the background?            (Joking!  No need to answer that.)

22 hours ago, MrSmith said:

However, he brought this on himself with all his lying and bullshit.

I'll need to file this with my list of reasons domestic violence is overlooked.

[Kath94]

#4. A sanky loves to call you “mi amor” or “my love” to avoid confusing you with his other girlfriends.

...or baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby.

But I can't reconcile this with the disdain shown by FamilyPedro.  If he was intent on keeping the green card, wouldn't they be more polite?

Edited July 26, 2017 by Kath94

[Arwen Evenstar]

On 7/23/2017 at 9:28 PM, Bubbacat said:

But . . . but . . . but . . . she was cooking in a cauldron!! AKA a big soup pot.

It's called a fogata, very common in rural areas of PR and the DR.  Wood burning outdoor cooking pot.  My husband saw them growing up in PR, and nobody in his family has one nor tried to feed me chicken feet.  I'm not sure where Mother Chantel got her ideas about voodoo and chicken feet.

Her parents behavior was appalling to say the least.  I wouldn't want to eat chicken necks or feet, but I would have definitely stayed around for rice, beans, and plantains.

[jumper sage]

8 hours ago, wings707 said:

Russ, Paola is doing soft porn which leads to an escort job, which I think is the agency's primary business.  The woman at the agency dropped her from the roster when she learned she was  married and he was moving to Miami!   Her friend's husband was a plant and friend of the agency, clearly.  

Pedro walks into the exuberant embraces from his family saying,  "where is the TV?"  Not just once either. They were very upset.  Lol!  Hideous people.

Paola - excellent comment!

Pedro - My grandfather came here in 1907 from Italy.  He went home only once.  His family berated him for not sending money home or shipping items over.  He came over at 18 with the minimum required amount of money so he did not have extra money.  Even the ship home was way beyond his means.  He never talked about his family and told us it was when his family were all standing there with their hands out did it occur to him why he came here and it was his chance to make a change for himself and his future.  Pedro has not yet made the decision to break financial ties but still keep his family.

[nlkm9]

22 hours ago, babydollbrat said:

I could have sworn Pedro ate the feet

he took one and it looked like he just took a little bite..

[Ivanova]

Commenters here have said that in the DR culture adult children are expected to support their parents, but it may also be how that particular family lives. This can happen in any country. For example, since I started making some money at 22, when I was still in Russia, it went without saying that I supported my mom financially, made home renovations, etc., just because this was the way in our family. Whoever makes more, helps out the rest. In other families it could be the other way around or completely different. But if it's engrained in you and this is how you were raised, it's very hard to start thinking differently. It doesn't just take nagging and arguing to persuade Pedro to change this situation. He won't understand.

Also, I think the sister does look a lot like Pedro.

[KBrownie]

37 minutes ago, Ivanova said:

Commenters here have said that in the DR culture adult children are expected to support their parents, but it may also be how that particular family lives. This can happen in any country. For example, since I started making some money at 22, when I was still in Russia, it went without saying that I supported my mom financially, made home renovations, etc., just because this was the way in our family. Whoever makes more, helps out the rest. In other families it could be the other way around or completely different. But if it's engrained in you and this is how you were raised, it's very hard to start thinking differently. It doesn't just take nagging and arguing to persuade Pedro to change this situation. He won't understand.

Also, I think the sister does look a lot like Pedro.

This.  Exactly.  Pedro isn't doing anything he doesn't want to do.  No one is manipulating him or forcing him to do anything.  He's made it plainly clear that this is what his culture is, he wants to help and is happy to do so.  If that's not your belief system, then so be it.  No one else has to understand it or like it, least of all Chantel's family.  He does need to come to some sort of understanding with Chantel though if they are to remain in a relationship.  Although it's really hard to sympathize with her.  She's getting her piece of the pie as well as Pedro's family what with the second wedding, bachelorette party, $3500 ring and new car.  Maybe she should have put all that money towards a new apartment if that's the priority.  She's certainly not going without, so she just looks like a big hypocrite.

Edited July 27, 2017 by KBrownie

[jumper sage]

2 hours ago, KBrownie said:

No one is manipulating him or forcing him to do anything.

I disagree.  His family is DEMANDING things from him.  They have no regard for what he may want to build with his wife.  When my mother was ill, did all of her children rally around her?  Of course we did but she never demanded anything from us.  She was a great mom who adored, cherished and RESPECTED us and we returned those same qualities.  I see no respect towards Pedro from his family.  Both families seem to be fucked up.  A relationship built on lies can not stand for long.  To this day Chantel has not come clean with her family.

[KBrownie]

22 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

I disagree.  His family is DEMANDING things from him.  They have no regard for what he may want to build with his wife.  When my mother was ill, did all of her children rally around her?  Of course we did but she never demanded anything from us.  She was a great mom who adored, cherished and RESPECTED us and we returned those same qualities.  I see no respect towards Pedro from his family.  Both families seem to be fucked up.  A relationship built on lies can not stand for long.  To this day Chantel has not come clean with her family.

Pedro has said out of his own mouth multiple times that this is what his culture does and that he is doing what he wants to do.  That can't just be ignored and brushed off to fit a narrative.  If he's not unhappy or resentful using his money on his family, then I'm not going to be outraged for him.  Again, he's said out of his own mouth, he's fine.  Other people want to be outraged on his behalf, but he himself is not.  And his family isn't stopping him from building anything with Chantel.  What have they prevented them from doing?  Name one.  They have money for trips, rings, and new cars in addition to what Pedro is sending back.  How are they hurting?  Chantel probably wouldn't even have a problem if it weren't for her family whispering in her ear making it a problem.  She got her ring, her car, her bachelorette party, and soon her second wedding.  Maybe the apartment for them was next.  Them stating the things that they want isn't demanding.  For all anyone knows he could have asked them what else they wanted and they responded.  

Your personal experience sounds great, but it doesn't mean a hill of beans when talking about someone else's family.  Every one is different in terms of what is valued and how respect is shown.  Pedro is doing what Pedro wants in terms of what is appropriate and right in his family.  You may not agree, but you don't have to.

Totally agree about a relationship built on lies.  Pedro hasn't lied about who he is and what's important to him.  Chantel was the coward who had to front for her family about Pedro to try and meet their lofty standards about who is right for her.  She was ashamed of bringing Pedro home to her family, yet she's bitching about him helping out his mom?  And again, she isn't being denied anything that she wants, so she can take a seat.

Edited July 27, 2017 by KBrownie

[jumper sage]

17 minutes ago, KBrownie said:

Pedro has said out of his own mouth multiple times that this is what his culture does and that he is doing what he wants to do.

Every new immigrant says that.  It's not new in fact the saying that America has streets of gold is quite old and it's not true.  Immigrants who make it, understand this.  The way they treat him is horrible.  Like it or not Chantel holds all the cards here.

 

29 minutes ago, KBrownie said:

 Pedro is doing what Pedro wants in terms of what is appropriate and right in his family

After marriage his family is Chantel.  That is the point of marriage.  If his point was to marry an American citizen to earn money to send back to his country of origin then she could call fraud.  If it were me I would be pissed off to pay taxes on money that left this country.  Is he sending $30 a month home?  Is he sending $300 a month home?  Huge difference.  The fact that he kept her in the dark already speaks of fraud to me.

[jumper sage]

10 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

The Interwebs are full of interesting information. Just Google Sanky Panky. 

More info. 

https://viktoriyaandoksana.com/sanky-panky/

Look at #8

Excellent link!  Here is the link to wikipedia.  I am thinking Paola fits the profile too.

[mamadrama]

Paola and her "sexier" photos...As someone who has watched every season of ANTM, I feel that I can say with authority that Paola's photos are skanky, not "sexy." As someone else pointed out, pulling up your shirt to expose underboob is not sexy; angling your body so that a tiny portion peeks through or gives the illusion of peeking through is sexy. Sexy is in a look, in an angle, etc. If one must wear slutty-looking clothes* (or none at all) to convey sexiness then one is not really getting the modeling aspect of it. Those photos that the "photographer took of her were basically snapshots that any random man walking down the street could have stopped and taken. There was nothing vaguely interesting about her poses, her body angles, her lines, the lighting, etc. 

* I am not harping on slutty-looking clothing. I kind of get a kick out of it. I have given birth to 3 kids and am a professional yet, in the summertime at the beach, I wear booty shorts with my cheeks occasionally hanging out. I like tight mini dresses and "hooker heels." I've also been known to wear my makeup too thick and my hair too big (higher the hair, the closer to God). But I know when it's inappropriate to dress in this manner and I don't do it on a regular basis. And I am also under no illusion that what I am wearing is going to book me any high-fashion spreads or runway shows.

[KateHearts]

5 hours ago, jumper sage said:

After marriage his family is Chantel.  That is the point of marriage.

Yes, but I think you are displaying the American view of family and marriage.  In many other cultures (most, I would venture to guess), there is always an ongoing obligation and sense of duty to one's parents and siblings.  I'm sorry it's not appropriate *for you* but I'm of the opinion that it's absolutely right, expected and done without question in Pedro's culture.  Maybe the demanding nature of his mother and sister rubs the wrong way- we aren't that way here as a rule- but the fact that in his family and culture a grown son who makes money is expected to help support his native family isn't necessarily an evil thing (just because it doesn't fit your narrative) 

6 hours ago, jumper sage said:

 When my mother was ill, did all of her children rally around her?  Of course we did but she never demanded anything from us.  

I'm not sure how this fits into the conversation about whether Pedro willingly gives to his family.  Different scenario altogether.

4 hours ago, jumper sage said:

Excellent link!  Here is the link to wikipedia.  I am thinking Paola fits the profile too.

This description doesn't seem to fit the native who leaves his/her country and family behind to come to the States.

ETA: oh, wait... I read further.  Although I didn't see any of the show's participants actively asking for money while still abroad.  

Edited July 27, 2017 by KateHearts

[CofCinci]

Pedro told Chantel that she can get a bigger apartment when "you finish college and you get your money."  Paired with the family demanding a prenup and believing that Chantel is being used -- does Chantel have a trust set up where she'll receive money once she's finished with school?

[zenme]

KateHearts, you make a good point.  I think many of us our trying to understand or interpret through our American  lens.  

Man! I hope people  who are considering marrying understand  they need to really have conversations about financial obligations and expectations after the marriage. Obviously, Chantel and Pedro didn't have that conversation.  Money matters can be a marriage killer!

[MrSmith]

15 hours ago, wings707 said:

#8 A sanky will have many other tourist girlfriends and most likely he will have a Dominican “wife” that he will call his “sister” or his “cousin” when you meet his family.

I think you nailed it @MrSmith!

Nice to see my "imaginary theory" isn't quite as far-fetched as some would like to believe. That's not to say my theory is correct, yet, because there's not enough evidence to support it ... but it might be more provable than not eventually.

11 hours ago, KBrownie said:

He does need to come to some sort of understanding with Chantel though if they are to remain in a relationship.  Although it's really hard to sympathize with her.  She's getting her piece of the pie as well as Pedro's family what with the second wedding, bachelorette party, $3500 ring and new car.  Maybe she should have put all that money towards a new apartment if that's the priority.  She's certainly not going without, so she just looks like a big hypocrite.

I don't understand why she isn't prioritizing a bigger apartment if that's such a big deal to her. She doesn't need the ring, the new car, or the party. I would argue the second wedding ceremony is more for his family than it is something she desperately wants.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, jumper sage said:

 Is he sending $30 a month home?  Is he sending $300 a month home?  Huge difference.  The fact that he kept her in the dark already speaks of fraud to me.

He paid for the 3 bedroom apartment in the DR for 5 or 6 months. 

[MrSmith]

19 minutes ago, Swim mom said:

He paid for the 3 bedroom apartment in the DR for 5 or 6 months. 

We don't really know how much that is, though. It could be as much as $3000, but other than the fact he hid that from Chantel, it's hard to argue against him doing this. She's gotten to spend at least as much on herself. That isn't to say that such amounts aren't going to be a problem eventually because they most certainly will be. What he's doing for his family right now is unsustainable. I don't think he cares about this, though, and I don't think he cares enough about Chantel to ever care about whether the amounts he sends home are sustainable. But then I'm still expecting him to get his citizenship and divorce Chantel. So I'm biased.

[checker]

On ‎24‎.‎07‎.‎2017 at 10:00 PM, Dobian said:

If I was a guest at Pedro's mom's home, the first thing I would have said, "So...where's the rest of the chicken?"

Bring on the WINGS!

I wonder how Loren, who gags on chicken liver, would have reacted at that "dinner".

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, MrSmith said:

We don't really know how much that is, though. It could be as much as $3000, but other than the fact he hid that from Chantel, it's hard to argue against him doing this. She's gotten to spend at least as much on herself. That isn't to say that such amounts aren't going to be a problem eventually because they most certainly will be. What he's doing for his family right now is unsustainable. I don't think he cares about this, though, and I don't think he cares enough about Chantel to ever care about whether the amounts he sends home are sustainable. But then I'm still expecting him to get his citizenship and divorce Chantel. So I'm biased.

Most of this stuff is probably on a credit card.  NOT PEDRO'S.   When it's over--or even if it's not, Chantel is going to have a lot of debt.  She'll probably be divorced and bankrupt within a year.

[Mr. Miner]

Well, whatever Pedro is up to I can't fucking stand him or Chantel Baby.

[Former Nun]

SANKY PANKY (2007)  Genaro gets a job at a resort in hopes of marrying an American woman and moving to New York in search of a better life. He meets a tourist called Martha and everything seems going according to plan, until her boyfriend shows up.        Several DVDs available on eBay: $13.00     Maybe someone can send a copy to Chantel's family.

[Guest]

If Pedro is planning to divorce Chantel, it would certainly explain why he has refused to be in a room with her parents for a year and a month.

[MrSmith]

5 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Most of this stuff is probably on a credit card.  NOT PEDRO'S.   When it's over--or even if it's not, Chantel is going to have a lot of debt.  She'll probably be divorced and bankrupt within a year.

That might be. I'm hoping that the worst they're doing is blowing their TV show payday. I suspect that is what they are doing because it's going to be more money than either of them have earned at this point in their lives, and they're both immature/impulsive (not sure immature is necessarily the right word here, so please don't crucify me for using it! :D ) when it comes to handling money. Although, they did put her stupid ring on her credit. So you could be completely right about the source of their purchasing power.

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2 hours ago, MrSmith said:

I don't understand why she isn't prioritizing a bigger apartment if that's such a big deal to her. She doesn't need the ring, the new car, or the party. I would argue the second wedding ceremony is more for his family than it is something she desperately wants.

Have they mentioned who is paying for the wedding?  I am assuming Pedro from the money he has been sending?  During their initial season, I thought they were in love but just made stupid decisions.   I can't see this working now.  It is fine for Pedro to send "some" money home but he should also be contributing to his and Chantel's household.  Plus, since she is going to school, I imagine most of her income is from TLC which is temporary (unless there is enough drama to last another season). 

Let's not forget the "filming" aspect of what went down.  Pedro's mom and sister were definitely driving home their point (to the cameras as well) that the chicken wing disrespect was because of the pre-nup.  Both the mom and sister made mention of being upset about the pre-nup during filming before the family even arrived. It was pretty much the first thing they mentioned.

I would not have been able to bring myself to eat any meat after the chicken feet episode either, but Chantel's family should have at least gotten out of the van to meet the grandmother and the other relatives.  They could have just made a pretense of eating some of the food (or said they were on a strict diet). There was a crew there so I doubt any voo doo was going down!

Best rule on traveling and arriving in any city, go to the hotel first and unwind before meeting up with any family/friends. It's always best to meet up the next day even if possible.  Why would they have gone on this long journey to the grandma's so late at night?  Wait until the next day when you can see the scenery!