S09.E09: Two Weeks Notice

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, nexxie said:

All I know about Jason is what was seen on their show, which made him and his family look normal compared with B and her shrieking narcissistic personality. What did he do to Cookie?

According to People, Bethenny claimed: 'I found out that Jason locked Cookie in the storage unit in our apartment with her dog bed and bowl.'

Later that same evening Frankel says Hoppy put Cookie in a bag and took the pooch to a dog hotel.

She went onto state that Hoppy 'wouldn't tell me or my assistant where she was until after midnight.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2644116/Bethenny-Frankel-claims-estranged-husband-Jason-Hoppy-mistreated-dog-bitter-courtroom-battle.html#ixzz4iqlckmld 

[booboopbedoo]

I hate Bethanny more and more! What a classless Pig she is.

Maybe a bit more Botox???

 

 

 

[ryebread]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

This isn't Beth at all. Despite all of the trauma she has suffered in her life, she does seem to just keep it moving. Even while this was all going on with Jason, she was forging ahead with the Smithfield deal, getting her own show on Bravo, doing this show, and working with the folks at Shark Tank. All the while managing a multi-million dollar business enterprise. She seems very good at not getting stuck even when she is paralyzed to a certain extent by some of her personal/legal issues. 

I agree, that she's not professionally stuck, but her list of accomplishments to show that she's not stuck, reminds me of Lu's list of vacations to show that she's living the romantic dream.  It's all smoke and mirrors, imo. 

Beth is stuck, personally and emotionally.  She's incapable of moving on, which, as much as I love to hate her makes me pity her a little.  When she was wailing how things will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be okay - I understand that feeling. But for as much as she says she's not going to share her pain with Lu or anyone, man, we sure know a lot about her pain. She always has to be the most tortured in the room.  She admitted to the viewers in that scene that she isn't able to keep it moving.  It will NEVER be okay.

 Eeyore is the perfect way to describe her.  Although sometimes I think of her more as a big pile of Pooh.

Edited June 2, 2017 by ryebread

[StatisticalOutlier]

9 hours ago, breezy424 said:

There may always be someone who has it worse than you... but to use the words:  Hell, torture chamber, dungeon when describing your divorce just crosses over a line when, in fact, you have shared custody, you have wealth, you aren't homeless, you have a healthy child, says everything about 'you'. 

She crossed an even bigger line for me when she said she was "literally" in a dungeon. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Why does Jason have Dennis's email address?

Handsome? Why not pretty?  I think Diana was and Dorinda is very pretty (Dorinda, when her mouth is closed, so I can't see her teeth, and when she is sober). And she looks so cute in bright colors, such as that honey dew/avocado green sweater.

Ha! Ramona DOES look like Aileen Wuornos!!! Thank you!

Edited June 2, 2017 by hoodooznoodooz

[Mozelle]

16 hours ago, nexxie said:

So good ol' obedient Carole tossed in a few lines to convince us that Jason really is psycho - but are we really supposed to believe that Bethenny was the good guy in that marriage?! 

Would that relationships (whether marriages or long-term dating or cohabitation) were as black and white with one person being the good guy and the other person being the bad guy. It's OK to acknowledge that Jason was/is an asshole without it meaning that, by default, Bethenny must be/must have been "the good guy." The two people always have a part to play in the demise of their union. 

15 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

The weirdest was when Sonja hosted a dinner in her Crumbling Townhouse. This was the one with the Morgan pillowcase napkin conversation. Sonja walked into the salon where her guests were seated with a bag hanging from her arm.

I've been thinking about this handbag issue, and as I'm trying to be generous (which is to say, not automatically think they're carrying around grams of coke or what have you), I'm wondering if they aren't carrying around their makeup for retouches during filming. With all those lights, it's probably more convenient to just have their powder or concealer and small brushes on hand than it is to run back upstairs to get the needed makeup items.

[SunnyBeBe]

13 hours ago, crgirl412 said:

LOVE IT!!  My sister and I go NUTS over Dorinda's ceramic Christmas trees with the multi-colored lights placed in the holes all over and has the one bulb that they've shown in the background.  Growing up my gram had one like Dorinda's and I had a white one with blue lights in my bedroom.  They are long gone now, though... :(   Do real people still make them??? 

I bought my sister the "Vintage Ceramic Pine LED Christmas Tree" at Bed, Bath and Beyond last year but it just isn't the same! 

I HAVE A GREEN TREE like hers!  And, I'm going to use it next year. I've kept it in storage. 

[QuinnM]

I've been contemplating Ramona's constant stain, dent, break, attitude.  I think it is part of her entitlement issue.

1. She obviously accidentally got Sonja's makeup bag wet.  Let's hope it wasn't the toilet.
2. She stained the chair.
3. Her dog stained the carpets.
4. She dinged Bethenny's cute SG jeep. (snapchat)

I'll keep thinking.  I don't believe this is one off.  I think she is a serial stainer.

[SunnyBeBe]

12 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I've been contemplating Ramona's constant stain, dent, break, attitude.  I think it is part of her entitlement issue.

1. She obviously accidentally got Sonja's makeup bag wet.  Let's hope it wasn't the toilet.
2. She stained the chair.
3. Her dog stained the carpets.
4. She dinged Bethenny's cute SG jeep. (snapchat)

I'll keep thinking.  I don't believe this is one off.  I think she is a serial stainer.

I wonder if any of the damage is being done to Ramona's own property or just others.  lol

REf. the ladies concern over Jason's behavior towards Bethenny.  What I do wonder about Jason, is why he or his lawyers did not advocate for a Child Custody Coordinator. They are Court ordered and bestowed authority by the court to coordinate schedules, hear complaints and make decision on matters regarding the child and the parents.  This way, you can get an answer in a day or two as opposed to filing motions and returning for court hearings that take months and cost a lot in legal fees.  The cost of the coordinator is pricey (split between the parties as ordered by the judge), but cheaper than legal fees.  PLUS, you don't have to talk to the other parent!  Basically, they are the adult in the room and use reason when you have one or more parents are not civil and can't work jointly for the welfare of their child.  AND they get to pick up on who's the trouble maker.  If one person is found to be causing the strife, then the Coordinator can BILL them the entire charge.  IF someone has to keep paying, they might stop being a witch.   

I know some parents who CANNOT talk at all. They get all information from the school and make their own plans.  All schedules are pre-determined, so there is NO contact at all between the parents.  Sad, but, not that uncommon. 

Edited June 2, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[QuinnM]

1 minute ago, SunnyBeBe said:

What I do wonder about Jason, is why he or his lawyers did not advocate for a Child Custody Coordinator.

Well that's  why I figure this isn't about custody at all.  This is about Jason hurting Bethenny.  

[SunnyBeBe]

Just now, QuinnM said:

Well that's  why I figure this isn't about custody at all.  This is about Jason hurting Bethenny.  

I don't see it, but, I'll leave it up to the courts.  Maybe, Child Custody Coordinators are not popular in the state of NY.  

To me, the fact that Jason tried to settle child custody with joint 50/50 for a long time, but, Bethenny refused and insisted on sole custody, even when the judge asked them to settle, says a lot.  Only when they got ready to have Child Custody Evaluations, did Bethenny get nervous.  I can see why she would be worried about a professional examining her medical and psychological records, interviewing friends and associates and having personal interviews would be scary for her.  I suspect she would not have fared well.  That's really why she settled and maybe, she's not happy about that.   I don't think any arrangement would please her, because, I suspect she is a malcontent.  They are never satisfied.  If it's not one thing, it's another.  

[LIMOM]

He is attempting in a very aggressive way to reclaim the balls that she put in her Birkin, imo.

[QuinnM]

Heading over to the Bethenny Divorce thread:

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I don't think any arrangement would please her, because, I suspect she is a malcontent.  They are never satisfied.  If it's not one thing, it's another.

Edited June 2, 2017 by QuinnM

[Ellee]

https://www.trashtalktv.com/06/01/rhony-recap-man-about-tom/412091/

 

Truthfully didn't read the article.  Lol, though I don't post too much anymore, there's a good chance you realize I like to look at the pictures.  :D :D  There's some good ones.

[ryebread]

34 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Ha! Ramona DOES look like Aileen Wuornos!!! Thank you!

Remember when Moaner cut her hair in the second (?) season and she looked so much better?  Like "Cameron Diaz"?   I don't automatically think, that as a woman ages, she should cut her hair.  But in the case of Ramona and Bethenny and Carole, it's true.  They either don't have the volume it takes to have great long hair, or it just doesn't suit their faces.  I think Bethenny is 100 times more attractive with her shorter hair than she was with that long, straggly 'do she wore up until last season or so.

Two positive things these housewives have encouraged me to do:  Cut my hair and donate this one, white, lacey dress....

[KungFuBunny]

38 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I wonder if any of the damage is being done to Ramona's own property or just others.  lol

REf. the ladies concern over Jason's behavior towards Bethenny.  What I do wonder about Jason, is why he or his lawyers did not advocate for a Child Custody Coordinator. They are Court ordered and bestowed authority by the court to coordinate schedules, hear complaints and make decision on matters regarding the child and the parents.  This way, you can get an answer in a day or two as opposed to filing motions and returning for court hearings that take months and cost a lot in legal fees.  The cost of the coordinator is pricey (split between the parties as ordered by the judge), but cheaper than legal fees.  PLUS, you don't have to talk to the other parent!  Basically, they are the adult in the room and use reason when you have one or more parents are not civil and can't work jointly for the welfare of their child.  AND they get to pick up on who's the trouble maker.  If one person is found to be causing the strife, then the Coordinator can BILL them the entire charge.  IF someone has to keep paying, they might stop being a witch.   

I know some parents who CANNOT talk at all. They get all information from the school and make their own plans.  All schedules are pre-determined, so there is NO contact at all between the parents.  Sad, but, not that uncommon. 

They did/do have that when it became clear this would be a contentious divorce. There has been no direct contact on Bethenny's part. Which is why Jason is a dipshit. If this were about Brynn, he would have had his lawyers contact her lawyers or the Child Custody Coordinator.

[LIMOM]

4 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

They did/do have that when it became clear this would be a contentious divorce. There has been no direct contact on Bethenny's part. Which is why Jason is a dipshit. If this were about Brynn, he would have had his lawyers contact her lawyers or the Child Custody Coordinator.

He is a dipshit because he feels cheated by her.

B should have done what her first husband did to get rid of her. Pay him off and call it a day.

but no, she likes to play a zero sum game. So, here they are.

[KungFuBunny]

25 minutes ago, Ellee said:

https://www.trashtalktv.com/06/01/rhony-recap-man-about-tom/412091/

 

Truthfully didn't read the article.  Lol, though I don't post too much anymore, there's a good chance you realize I like to look at the pictures.  :D :D  There's some good ones.

All is forgotten when Luann and Sonja bring out the birthday cakes.

Sonja: That cake and I were in love until Lu stole it!

Dorinda promises not to spit when she blows out the candles and then all you hear is a spit symphony cascading out of her mouth.

Ha!

[Duke2801]

14 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

I believe Carole was only repeating Jason stories that were already out there in the press. (made public from the divorce papers)

Jason during the Bethenny Ever After / boat trip actually admitted he taunts her.  And some other choice statements about Beth.

There is def something wrong with Jason. 

I won't argue with the bolded.  I give a major side-eye to ANY man who would willingly marry and procreate with Bethenny.

Also giving a side-eye to the Cookie story.  I mean, don't get me wrong, if he did hurt Cookie in any way, he IS a monster.  But, given Bethenny's penchant for exaggeration, I have a hard time believe this story outright. The "storage unit" was probably "the bedroom."  And "a bag" was probably a dog carrier.  I don't know.  These are just my initial thoughts. 

14 hours ago, crgirl412 said:

LOVE IT!!  My sister and I go NUTS over Dorinda's ceramic Christmas trees with the multi-colored lights placed in the holes all over and has the one bulb that they've shown in the background.  Growing up my gram had one like Dorinda's and I had a white one with blue lights in my bedroom.  They are long gone now, though... :(   Do real people still make them??? 

I bought my sister the "Vintage Ceramic Pine LED Christmas Tree" at Bed, Bath and Beyond last year but it just isn't the same! 

I love them too - such nostalgia!  My grandma made us some when I was a baby and we ALWAYS had them out for display on the holidays.  We had a white one with red lights (the lights were doves!).  Ahhh I wish I had held onto those!! :(

13 hours ago, Lemons said:

I don't think that anyone would think that Bethany is without her flaws. I bet she is difficult to live with, maybe unbearable.  He didn't have to tolerate her behavior, he  wasn't bound to her  

 But she divorced Jason. He seems bitter about being left behind. He probably thought he was going to live the life of a wealthy man and it didn't work out. 

That's entirely possible. But I also think that SHE thought she had found a guy who would kowtow to her every demand.  Somebody who wouldn't cause a huge fuss when she decided to peace out of the relationship after getting what she really wanted from him (his sperm). But, yeah, it didn't work out that way.   

[LIMOM]

And she demanded that they move to the west coast without really thinking of him or his parents.

this had to piss him off and him fighting back infuriated her.

[SunnyBeBe]

What did Bethenny have in her mouth during the scene just before she started to unleash about how miserable she was? It appeared to be something she was holding in her jaw, like an olive or piece of candy.  Anyone notice?

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Mozelle said:

Would that relationships (whether marriages or long-term dating or cohabitation) were as black and white with one person being the good guy and the other person being the bad guy. It's OK to acknowledge that Jason was/is an asshole without it meaning that, by default, Bethenny must be/must have been "the good guy." The two people always have a part to play in the demise of their union. 

I've been thinking about this handbag issue, and as I'm trying to be generous (which is to say, not automatically think they're carrying around grams of coke or what have you), I'm wondering if they aren't carrying around their makeup for retouches during filming. With all those lights, it's probably more convenient to just have their powder or concealer and small brushes on hand than it is to run back upstairs to get the needed makeup items.

I also wonder if it is some type of product placement agreement.  The housewife gets the bag for free (or deeply discounted), and agrees to carry it in a certain amount of scenes on the show?  

[Chit Chat]

FWIW, the one positive thing I remember about Jason was how supportive he was to Bethenny when she got the news of her deal with Skinny Girl.  I remember her saying something to him like "our money," and he corrected her and said, "no, it's your money."   Of course, time, marriage and the subsequent demise of said marriage shoots that conversation to Hell!   There's a lot of tension on both sides of this marriage, so it's going to be a huge shit storm for some judge to figure out.  Good luck with separating fact from fiction (both sides) on this one!

[ButterQueen]

11 hours ago, breezy424 said:

There may always be someone who has it worse than you... but to use the words:  Hell, torture chamber, dungeon when describing your divorce just crosses over a line when, in fact, you have shared custody, you have wealth, you aren't homeless, you have a healthy child, says everything about 'you'.  This is about Beth's version of her life.  She was an orphan raised by wolves.  It's a pattern.

Jason may taunt her but let's look at what she has done.  She's a control freak.  She turned the apartment into an office space.  She took away his man cave for a closet for herself.  She didn't want his parents for holidays and they sat in the apartment with the three of them.  It's always about control with Beth. 

As an aside, she went on Ellen and the media about being 'lost' at sea.  They were never lost.  The coast guard was told where they were.  They weren't rescued by the coast guard because they weren't lost.  They 'called' Boat US and they were able to go out and lead them back because they were told where they were.   It's all BS.  I could get into this further because I know about boats and Narragansett Bay. 

Jason gets arrested for harassment or whatever.   That doesn't mean he's guilty.  The emails have seem to even multiplied themselves here. 

Let's go back to the custody hearing.  Beth gets to testify about Jason being horrific.  It doesn't carry muster.  She immediately agrees to shared custody because she doesn't want to be crossed examined and she doesn't want people to hear Jason's side of the story.  

Beth 'is' that person who went on that undeserved rant about Lu last season in the Berkshires.  Beth is that person who dragged out the knowledge she had for four days about Tom.  Beth is that person who got all upset about telling Lu about Tom but managed to put that Skinnygirl product perfectly placed for her close up.

Bethenny Frankel is a phoney.  Pure and simple.  Don't get me wrong.  I liked Beth so much the first time she was on RHNY.  Bethenny Ever After showed me her real colors.  And she continues to show it since her return to RHNY.  Heather...  Jules...  Lu...  She can judge but no one can judge her. 

You deserve a toast from Ramona for this!  Perfection!!!

[nexxie]

2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

According to People, Bethenny claimed: 'I found out that Jason locked Cookie in the storage unit in our apartment with her dog bed and bowl.'

Later that same evening Frankel says Hoppy put Cookie in a bag and took the pooch to a dog hotel.

She went onto state that Hoppy 'wouldn't tell me or my assistant where she was until after midnight.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2644116/Bethenny-Frankel-claims-estranged-husband-Jason-Hoppy-mistreated-dog-bitter-courtroom-battle.html#ixzz4iqlckmld 

A "storage unit" in their apt. might be as large a laundry room or walk-in closet in someone else's; a "bag" could be one of those designer dog totes - Bethenny is all about herself; I'd take anything she says with a mountain of salt.

[zoeysmom]

25 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

And she demanded that they move to the west coast without really thinking of him or his parents.

this had to piss him off and him fighting back infuriated her.

I get that Bethenny likes to be an open book but of all the things she did to really hurt Jason was to write and speak about how she was unsure of her love for him and the huge mistake she made getting married.  Kids don't need to hear that about their parents.  In this case there was three seasons of constant, "I love you," how does a kid distinguish between those "I love yous" and the ones they hear from that person?  Again she doesn't have to trade on every life experience.  I noticed when she sealed the deal with Frederik she used a line from her wedding vows. 

Well she did accuse Jason of enjoying himself and having fun meeting Ellen DeGeneres and Justin Bieber and liking the vacations that weren't really vacations but work.   

[LIMOM]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I get that Bethenny likes to be an open book but of all the things she did to really hurt Jason was to write and speak about how she was unsure of her love for him and the huge mistake she made getting married.  Kids don't need to hear that about their parents.  In this case there was three seasons of constant, "I love you," how does a kid distinguish between those "I love yous" and the ones they hear from that person?  Again she doesn't have to trade on every life experience.  I noticed when she sealed the deal with Frederik she used a line from her wedding vows. 

Well she did accuse Jason of enjoying himself and having fun meeting Ellen DeGeneres and Justin Bieber and liking the vacations that weren't really vacations but work.   

How about her promotional tour to explain and redeem herself?

I cringed when I see her on all those magazines and on ET and the likes.

it is sickening and child abuse, imo.

[Yours Truly]

18 hours ago, Trooper York said:

If he did what has been claimed by the always hysterical and usually untruthful Bernadette then he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Of course she is very rich and the courts bend into pretzels to accommodate the rich and powerful. We have to wait until it is put before a jury of his peers. He feels he is totally innocent and wants a trail. I don't think he will opt for a bench trial. If he goes before a New York Jury I bet he will walk scott free from the charges ginned up by compliant prosecutors and high priced shysters. 

yeah for some reason I'm not that inclined to take Beth's account of things are pure truth...

Can I share something that completely shocked me. One time my sister in law went a little nutty over her then husband that she was separated from. He had moved into his own place while they sorted things out (they are now divorced). She caught wind of something that mad her angry so she immediately went to his place got into an argument. Said stuff, they both got into it, it got a bit crazy. She texted him some not nice stuff during the period of the enstrangement and he wasn't a saint either but anyway they had some back and forth going on during their separation. Facebook stuff too. Anyhoo that had been the second time she flew off the handle and high tailed it to his place to have words. Shouting match yada yada and the neighbors called the cops. She had already left by the time they got there and the cop proceeded to ask him what had gone on. He explained and he even brought up the texts the facebook you know, he was heated and not too inclined to sing her praises. I guess he was in defense mode or something since he was the one that had to face the cops and the scrutiny of his neighbors. He relayed some of the stuff she said and they questioned the neighbors who also shared some of the "threats" she hurled at him then the police took it from there. She ended up having a warrant put on her and she had a deadline of when she was supposed to turn herself in.  She did. Was booked and everything. She got a mug shot out there that will never go away and all because she confronted him at HIS home and it was verified that she said some foolish shit to him. Add that he shared a good amount of their conflict history with the texting and the facebook and bam. Warrant for her arrest. He didn't even want the police to move forward with the charges afterwards but for some reason it was out of his hands. I can't remember why.

Also, where I am if the cops are called into a domestic dispute for whatever reason more often than not someone is going to jail. I've heard from an officer that standard procedure usually calls for SOMEONE to be removed from the home once a call has been made.

Not exactly the same as the Beth/Jason debacle but what I'm saying is that it doesn't always need to be some huge catastrophic event for someone to get cuffed and hauled into the station for a mug shot. Just the accusation will get someone taken out of their own home in handcuffs. I've seen it happen. 

<shrug>

Edited June 2, 2017 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

17 hours ago, Trooper York said:

It all depends on the content of the emails. If she is interfering with his custody and refusing to answer legitimate questions the number of emails will not matter. In fact I find it humorous that this number seems so outlandish to some people. These kids today send out that many texts and emails in an afternoon.

I think Bethenny if full of it and it will be shown in court. She was certainly full of it in this episode. Look at how she treats Luann. Look at how she treated Jules last year. Look at how she treats anybody that is not a toady like Carole. She even went after Dorinda with vile accusations. Why would anyone think she is credible about anything? She is a nasty sack of crap.

Thank YOU!!

Why anyone would think that she wouldn't be just as viciously self serving in her dealings with Jason boggles my mind.

She's got so much more at stake with him and we know how she rolls when it comes to getting her own way. Nothing is too far for her.

God she's such an awful person.

Ick!

Edited June 2, 2017 by Yours Truly

[ButterQueen]

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Well that's  why I figure this isn't about custody at all.  This is about Jason hurting Bethenny.  

......or vice versa.

[QuinnM]

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......or vice versa.

And if they had heard the case in May when it was scheduled this would all be moot.  AND maybe we all would have gotten a peek at the emails.  There are probably things in there that talk about the agreed custody arrangements, the financial settlement etc.  Nosy people like me need to know.

[BBHN]

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Although sometimes I think of her more as a big pile of Pooh.

Winnie the Pooh? Cool, I guess we'll expect a line of Skinnygirl Honey soon...

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Well that's  why I figure this isn't about custody at all.  This is about Jason hurting Bethenny.  

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

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Which is why Jason is a dipshit. If this were about Brynn, he would have had his lawyers contact her lawyers or the Child Custody Coordinator.

Exactly.

[ryebread]

31 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Nosy people like me need to know.

Right?

Even though all this is supposedly sealed, when Jason goes to court and IF he gets off, will we be able to find that out? 

I mean, other than by hearing her shrieks and the tufts of brunette hair that will be wafting through Soho?

[WireWrap]

4 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

According to People, Bethenny claimed: 'I found out that Jason locked Cookie in the storage unit in our apartment with her dog bed and bowl.'

Later that same evening Frankel says Hoppy put Cookie in a bag and took the pooch to a dog hotel.

She went onto state that Hoppy 'wouldn't tell me or my assistant where she was until after midnight.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2644116/Bethenny-Frankel-claims-estranged-husband-Jason-Hoppy-mistreated-dog-bitter-courtroom-battle.html#ixzz4iqlckmld 

We're talking about Cookie, a dog that bites almost everyone other than Bethenny/Bryn (that we know of) and Bethenny left her in the apartment when Jason's parents were there. I have no problem with Jason putting her in a separate room and then taking her to a dog kennel when she wouldn't settle down.

[motorcitymom65]

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

We're talking about Cookie, a dog that bites almost everyone other than Bethenny/Bryn (that we know of) and Bethenny left her in the apartment when Jason's parents were there. I have no problem with Jason putting her in a separate room and then taking her to a dog kennel when she wouldn't settle down.

If I came home and my sweet Eleanor wasn't around, and I was looking for her and the person responsible refused to tell me where she was until hours later, I would be a mess. And I would think they were beyond evil. 

[LIMOM]

11 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

If I came home and my sweet Eleanor wasn't around, and I was looking for her and the person responsible refused to tell me where she was until hours later, I would be a mess. And I would think they were beyond evil. 

Yep, nobody touches my fur babies!

[Former Nun]

11 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

If I came home and my sweet Eleanor wasn't around, and I was looking for her and the person responsible refused to tell me where she was until hours later, I would be a mess. And I would think they were beyond evil. 

I know nothing about this story...but I can agree that a dog needs to be separated from humans if THEY must be there and the dog can't behave.  But it's upsetting to read that the dog was "hidden" somewhere and hider refused to say where.

[Natalie68]

12 hours ago, Jextella said:

I'm feeling a little bad for LuAnne after this episode.   I'm probably reading way to much into it, but she was abnormally calm when the others gave her their desperate and final pleas not to go through with the marriage.  Usually Luanne is very defensive and fights back.  

Plus, Bethany was right in her assessment of Luanne's language.  She kept talking "lifestyle" more than love and rumor-denial which is also a different response than what she's provided in the past.

My hunch is that prior to going to the Berkshires, Luanne came to the realization that the rumors were true and she had a decision to make.  Her decision was to see it through and deal with it on the other side (good line from Carol).  She looked a little sad as a result.

She really does want love/monogamy with a soul mate.   I just don't think she'll find it AND the lifestyle in the same guy. 

I totally think she wants love and companionship but not sure about monogamy.  If it happens great but not a deal breaker.  I think she is more into the lifestyle (and appearances) as people said.  As this has played out of the last year I am at the point that who really cares?  She isn't inventing anything new as far as a marriage of convenience is concerned.  They are of an age where companionship and common interests (and a hot sex life) may be more important than monogamy.  I don't think she wants people to know this necessarily though.  I think the love of her life was the Count and she got hurt.  Now she is going for what she wants/needs and if Tom turns into the love of her life great (I think she loves him to a degree but he isn't the love of her life), if not, she's still got the lifestyle and can have her own dalliances.  I find her very old fashioned in the behind every great man is a great woman sort of thing and loved being a wife rather than being independent.  Did I sort of defend Lu?  What happened.

[WireWrap]

25 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

If I came home and my sweet Eleanor wasn't around, and I was looking for her and the person responsible refused to tell me where she was until hours later, I would be a mess. And I would think they were beyond evil. 

I would be upset as well but my dogs don't bite anyone like Cookie did/does, so I can't fault Jason. It is entirely possible that Bethenny left the dog home with him so that he couldn't/wouldn't have company in the apartment.. a rather evil act in of itself IMO. Sadly, Cookie has Bethenny's more nasty traits....she bites without provocation! As for him not telling her where Cookie was, we only have Bethenny's word that he did that, and I don't trust the great exaggerators word about anything, let alone this.

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[film noire]

6 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

This isn't Beth at all. Despite all of the trauma she has suffered in her life, she does seem to just keep it moving. Even while this was all going on with Jason, she was forging ahead with the Smithfield deal, getting her own show on Bravo, doing this show, and working with the folks at Shark Tank. All the while managing a multi-million dollar business enterprise. 

But many emotionally stunted people bury themselves in external accomplishments, while remaining stuck in toxic quicksand.  The list of successful business people who are monsters is long.

4 hours ago, ryebread said:

Beth is stuck, personally and emotionally.  She's incapable of moving on, which, as much as I love to hate her makes me pity her a little.  When she was wailing how things will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be okay - I understand that feeling. But for as much as she says she's not going to share her pain with Lu or anyone, man, we sure know a lot about her pain. She always has to be the most tortured in the room.  She admitted to the viewers in that scene that she isn't able to keep it moving.  It will NEVER be okay.

You're better than me, Ryebread; I don't pity her at all.  

I pity her child, though: having a mother who believes she's the center of all grief and pain, that she's always the most hard done by and damaged person in the room -- so unfairly treated she is beyond repair -- to grow up in the shadow of that is a horrible thing. (And there's no sequestering of that mindset; it bleeds into everything.) 

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This isn't Beth at all. Despite all of the trauma she has suffered in her life, she does seem to just keep it moving. Even while this was all going on with Jason, she was forging ahead with the Smithfield deal, getting her own show on Bravo, doing this show, and working with the folks at Shark Tank. All the while managing a multi-million dollar business enterprise. 

Plus, from what her social media shows, she does seem to have an active and healthy jet-setting social life.

[Natalie68]

37 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

If I came home and my sweet Eleanor wasn't around, and I was looking for her and the person responsible refused to tell me where she was until hours later, I would be a mess. And I would think they were beyond evil. 

This is going to sound like a bitchy comment but here goes.  This was Cookies home and she was part of Bethenny's life WELL before Jason entered the picture.  If his parents were worried about being bitten perhaps they could have stayed elsewhere because Cookie obviously was fine around Bethenny, Bryn, Jason, and all the employee's.  It isn't like it would have broken the bank.  Cookie is an older dog and if this is what really happened its cruel.  If my husband of 26 years treated my cats badly it would tell me he's a jerk and we would have to decide whether or not we were staying together.  Its more than the animal.  Its a huge character flaw imho.  

[Otherkate]

Someone would have to hold me back. 

It's weird though because I've seen Cookie on her snapchat with lots of other people around all the time. 

[motorcitymom65]

2 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

Someone would have to hold me back. 

It's weird though because I've seen Cookie on her snapchat with lots of other people around all the time. 

Maybe Cookie bites people who walk around inappropriately in their undies and falsely notarize documents. A smart cookie indeed. 

[Yours Truly]

37 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I totally think she wants love and companionship but not sure about monogamy.  If it happens great but not a deal breaker.  I think she is more into the lifestyle (and appearances) as people said.  As this has played out of the last year I am at the point that who really cares?  She isn't inventing anything new as far as a marriage of convenience is concerned.  They are of an age where companionship and common interests (and a hot sex life) may be more important than monogamy.  I don't think she wants people to know this necessarily though.  I think the love of her life was the Count and she got hurt.  Now she is going for what she wants/needs and if Tom turns into the love of her life great (I think she loves him to a degree but he isn't the love of her life), if not, she's still got the lifestyle and can have her own dalliances.  I find her very old fashioned in the behind every great man is a great woman sort of thing and loved being a wife rather than being independent.  Did I sort of defend Lu?  What happened.

I think this is exactly it and I find this to be a quite pleasant philosophy ESPECIALLY with people in their stages of life where they've tested the waters. Had other lives. Lived certain types of chapters and now find themselves still in a position to make certain kind of choices based on current factors AND NOT fairytale aspirations that they've learned aren't some guaranteed outcome that is destined to play out for everyone. Nothing wrong with reinventing the norm to what fits and I also want to say that having something like that come together nicely does warrant a happy and content reaction. Even giddyness. I don't think the giddyness is forced I would be giddy too if I've found someone "likeminded" and willing to move forward with the same intentions and goals. Just the gratefulness of having yet another go at what makes me happy in life would be enough for me to be excited and anticipating what the future holds.

This need to paint Lu's situation as something she SHOULDN'T be happy about just because societies standards aren't met is what truly bugs me. No, a woman doesn't have to hide in shame if they don't take offense to EVERY last thing society SAYS she should be outraged about.

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[Chit Chat]

49 minutes ago, film noire said:

I pity her child, though: having a mother who believes she's the center of all grief and pain, that she's always the most hard done by and damaged person in the room...

This reminds me of a scene from M*A*S*H* in which Honeycutt was moping around and having temper tantrums at people because his wife (back in the states) had to take a job while he was away.  His attitude got so bad that Major Houlihan finally had it with him and said something like "How dare you!  How dare you think your brand of suffering is any different than anybody else's."  She rattled off the problems some of her nurses were having.  Honeycutt then said that his problems were different.  He had the most to lose by being away.  Houlihan quickly stated "Maybe you have the most to lose, but it's only because you have the most."  That shut him down quickly!  I know, it's just a TV show, but it was something that stuck with me.  Whenever I think I've got it rough because of some minor issue, I think back to that line and realize that there are plenty of other people who have much worse problems.  

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This need to paint Lu's situation as something she SHOULDN'T be happy about just because societies standards aren't met is what truly bugs me. No, a woman doesn't have to hide in shame if they don't take offense to EVERY last thing society SAYS she should be outraged about.

Well said!  I hope that Tom has settled down and doesn't hurt LuAnn.  I commend the ladies for trying to help her, but they took it too far, IMO.  They shouldn't have kept going on and on about it this long.  She knows what she's getting into, so the ladies need to take a step back and let her have this time of happiness.  If she says she's okay, then let her be.  Only she knows what is going on with her and Tom, and for the rest of them to speculate and gossip, well, it just seems like something true friends shouldn't do. 

[kassa]

18 hours ago, crgirl412 said:

LOVE IT!!  My sister and I go NUTS over Dorinda's ceramic Christmas trees with the multi-colored lights placed in the holes all over and has the one bulb that they've shown in the background.  Growing up my gram had one like Dorinda's and I had a white one with blue lights in my bedroom.  They are long gone now, though... :(   Do real people still make them??? 

I bought my sister the "Vintage Ceramic Pine LED Christmas Tree" at Bed, Bath and Beyond last year but it just isn't the same! 

My mother downsized last year and we donated a couple of them to Goodwill, so you might check there.  Lots of folks downsize every day! (Mom kept the white one with red bulbs!)  I liked the two green mini ones with different color bulbs.  

I really love Dorinda's home - given a nice Powerball win I'd buy something like that in an instant, and move there permanently.

[Trooper York]

I have twelve miniature Santa's. Not in the red suit. Dressed as the traditional rural St. Nick. Fur coats. Carrying a chicken. Like an old greeting card from the 1920's. Plus twelve big bins of decorations.

My wife kills me every Christmas. 

I thought about converting to Judaism but I couldn't take the cut so to speak.

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My sister and I go NUTS over Dorinda's ceramic Christmas trees with the multi-colored lights placed in the holes all over and has the one bulb that they've shown in the background.  Growing up my gram had one like Dorinda's and I had a white one with blue lights in my bedroom.  They are long gone now, though... :(   Do real people still make them??? 

If you have somebody locally who does pottery/ceramic work, they probably still make them.  As I mentioned earlier, I still see them in craft shows around Christmas.  I wonder how long it takes Dorinda to put out all of those decorations.  That's a lot of work, but I know she loves it.  I would feel honored to be asked to help her put a string of lights on the tree, unlike some of them who bitched about it!  All they had to do was hold the damn thing.  She did all the work.  

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I have twelve miniature Santa's. Not in the red suit. Dressed as the traditional rural St. Nick.

Are they the "Kris Kringle" style, with more of the burgundy coat?  At one of our local outdoor type of malls, there's a guy who dresses up in the old style Santa suit and walks around so that anybody can go up to him and take a picture.  It's a beautiful suit with gold trim.  Looks old-world style. 

[CKTV123]

On 5/31/2017 at 9:11 PM, Maire said:

Bethenny's black top with gold buttons and what appeared to be black nautical rope was hideous. And it probably cost $1200.

She looked like the lost member of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band