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Can't wait to get home tonight to see the jury segment. Right now stuck in the ER with my Dad waiting for them to get him a room. Sounds like I will get to enjoy some fun from the jury house, definitely more entertaining than the regular house. 

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The jury segment showed yet again what a total *** Cody is.  God help Jessica.

i don't think it helped him with the AFP vote.

though a fan of Kevin's, I was pleasantly surprised how much applause he got. Maybe he does have a good shot at AFP.

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4 minutes ago, Irishsecra said:

The jury segment showed yet again what a total *** Cody is.  God help Jessica.

i don't think it helped him with the AFP vote.

 

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2 minutes ago, TimWil said:

Cody really is an asshole of the first magnitude. 

Yes to this, too. 

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8 minutes ago, TimWil said:

Cody really is an asshole of the first magnitude. 

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I didn't think he came across as an asshole. I was amused by him. More amused by Elena but Cody gave me a chuckle or two during the jury house segment. Blunt, sarcastic, yeah. But not an asshole.

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I re-watched the jury segment.  So good.  

Highlights:  

Cody saying he liked the exit [Jason]. 

Raven saying she pulled some strings and the conversation that it sparked.  Jason was really pissed at both of them.  And Mark with his nervous laugh, of course. 

Loved the entire thing! 

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Two questions I hope they ask Paul at the end of the game.

why did you lie to the jurors in their goodbye messages?

did it ever occur to you that Josh would blow up your game in his goodbye messages? 

This is why I give josh a shot at beating Paul. He owned what he did in the goodbye messages and in actually casting the votes, Paul took the cowards way out and lied, lied, lied.

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7 hours ago, Irishsecra said:

Ok, why does Paul do this?

why does he have the almost pathological need to blindside the evicted?

in my opinion, kevin will be just as upset as Jason. He really really trusts Paul.

You just answered your own question; Paul&Co. are continuing the blindsides not for any strategic purpose, but simply to keep relative peace and quiet in the House.

Plus, I think Rasputin Lite thinks it's just more fun that way.

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1 hour ago, wings707 said:

Kevin is going to a hotel to be sequestered and won't meet with the other jurors until the round table.   

He doesn't have to listen to delusional Maven, lucky guy! Omg, seeing Cody laughing at them all made my night! 

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I have a feeling Cody's report cards in elementary school were all variations of "Doesn't interact well with others." I do find him amusing at times. I'm fascinated that he only perks up when he's talking to Julie on the live show. But he's really an utter and complete asshole.

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27 minutes ago, wings707 said:

I re-watched the jury segment.  So good.  

Highlights:  

Cody saying he liked the exit [Jason]. 

Raven saying she pulled some strings and the conversation that it sparked.  Jason was really pissed at both of them.  And Mark with his nervous laugh, of course. 

Loved the entire thing! 

I loved that way better than the BB house, with bully1,2,3 at the end.

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1 minute ago, TimWil said:

I have a feeling Cody's report cards in elementary school were all variations of "Doesn't interact well with others." I do find him amusing at times. I'm fascinated that he only perks up when he's talking to Julie on the live show. But he's really an utter and complete asshole.

I think he's great. He doesn't suffer fools gladly, hello Matt. 

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I absolutely have to laugh the the jury segment was longer and more entertaining than the non-live house segment.  My second favorite part was during the jury segment, as they showed them all watching the recordings the evicted houseguest brings, Cody was always sitting on the end, yet still nominally a part of the group.  Then came that last one with Alex, and Raven and Matt are sitting on the other part of the couch, separated from the rest of the crew.  I saw that and though "hmmm....that body language is interesting" and them it really got interesting.  And Mark and Elena taking delight in the new jurors seeing the light or their incredulity at their remaining clueless (*cough*cough*Matt&Raven*cough*cough*) members.

 

 I actually think that Cody is partly really like that and is partly playing a role.  I think he's doing some of that stuff for effect, like "this is my character, so I'm going to play the scene like this." You can almost see the calculation.  And I don't mind, lots of people go on BB or Survivor to play a "character." The most successful play a character that is very close to their true selves.  Think about what that means for what we've seen from Paul, Raven, Halloween, etc. 

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26 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

To watch and re-watch at your own pleasure:

Moments I totally missed when watching live include:

  • Mark's beautiful dumb grin after he told Matt that Kevin can't win comps.
  • Matt's assessment of who was running the house is...better than Raven's, at least. He acknowledged that Paul was running the house socially and game-wise.
  • Mark's complete enthusiasm to hang with Jason.
  • Cody's ecstatic face at Jason's exit. I mean, I didn't miss that moment at all; I just wanted to reiterate how awesome it was.
  • "I should have walked across the damn table."
  • "I absolutely do not want to see Raven." This moment is good because in my mind, he's silently screaming "Please don't; I've been having such a good week without her here. Please, for the love of Captain Crunch, I need someone else, anyone else, to walk through the door. Let Paul be tortured by her for another week."
  • Also, that cheek kiss from Matt to Raven. Another sign of him not being that into her.
  • Matt's quick glance down once Raven started spouting the whole "Paul and us were in an alliance" before Alex came to jury. 
  • Also, all of Mark's facial expressions at Raven. 
  • Mark's "What, you're not the Puppetmaster?" jab at Raven's comic.
  • Basically, Mark. 
  • Jason basically saying that they'd all be having fun in jury if it wasn't for The Puppetmaster and Matt. Clearly, something went down in between Raven's eviction and Alex's eviction, because Jason and Mark really went off on her and Matt. 
  • Alex fist bumping Cody for his "I didn't". 

THANK YOU!

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The Jury House segment was real good. But I still have to admit that my favorite moment was the look on Dom's face when Julie announced she was evicted.

I knew a psychologist once who made a big deal of people who were feeling one kind of emotion but whose face displayed a very different looking emotion. She made it sound like these people have some really serious problems.

When Julie announces that Dom is evicted, Dom flashes this huge smile. Smile bigger than almost any smile I've ever seen. It's as if she was running in an election for President of the USA and won. She appeared to be absolutely thrilled. If I didn't know better, I'd have to assume she believed she was now headed for Easy Street - that her life would now be filled with great fame and fortune - that all kinds of wonderful things would be coming her way. Bizarre! Really and Truly bizarre. But it causes me to break out laughing every time I see that. Raven did something very similar after she did that cartwheel when she was evicted. She is a real lunatic. Even thought she thinks she is a "puppet master". Or maybe because she thinks she is a "puppet master".

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4 hours ago, RandomWatcher said:

Andy's latest tweet: Bottom line: If Paul wins, he has played well and deserves it. If Paul loses, he had poor jury management and deserves to lose.

Part of me wonders if Andy tweeted that because people think so poorly of him as a winner.

4 hours ago, ByaNose said:

I know all they have is time in the house and remember days but I could never play that comp. I am still amazed that people know the exact number without writing it down or having a calendar. Am I that dumb? Don't answer that. I think I am. LOL!!

As much, as everyone is embarrased in being duped by Paul it looks like the jury house will vote for him, right? Oh! Raven is beyond Cray Cray! She is probably the most delusional reality "star" ever!!!!!! 

Well if you are dumb then I am right there with you because I was thinking the exact same thing.  If I was in that competition I would be like Rudy from the first season of Survivor when he took part in the story challenge, "I don't know.  I don't remember."

4 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Eh, I still maintain BB15 had the worst F3 ever. Spencer/GinaMarie/Andy was far from my list of F3 options. 

I don't know the final three of Jun, Alison, and Booger Bob from season four was pretty bad.  I mean yes Alison and Jun played good games, but I would not consider any of them to be likable.    

4 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Oh, Spencer did. There was the child porn jokes, there was the gay slurs, and wasn't there also something about calling autistic children "retards"? Safe to say, it was enough that Union Pacific fired him before he even left the house. Spencer was a horrible person. 

I know Adam from season nine made a comment about autistic children being "retards".  This was while he was working at a place that took care of autistic children.

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2 hours ago, TimWil said:

I have a feeling Cody's report cards in elementary school were all variations of "Doesn't interact well with others." I do find him amusing at times. I'm fascinated that he only perks up when he's talking to Julie on the live show. But he's really an utter and complete asshole.

I voted for him for AFP but I think there is something seriously wrong with him. I think he needs extreme help, he seems like he could do bizarre things. These types "go postal." I am not saying HE will, but his type does. In the Jury House tonight, his behavior was still very strange. 

 I guarantee he and Jessica are done by Christmas. She already asked him if he is a "hot head" and he did not deny it. She will run from him shortly after the show is over. 

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I cannot stop watching that jury segment!  Help!  I have an illness.

I'm fascinated by the way Cody refuses to do the fake shit required of this "reality" show.  It's abnormal in the sense that most of us just go along to get along, and it's clearly a detriment in the BB game, but I still respect the hell out of it.

It was interesting that Jason pointed to Maven as the jury house disruptions.  She must be even worse out of the house!

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7 minutes ago, BK1978 said:

I know Adam from season nine made a comment about autistic children being "retards".  This was while he was working at a place that took care of autistic children.

That's who I was thinking of. My excellent memory and recall is getting less excellent as time goes on. 

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In news that shocks NO ONE- Paul won the first part of the HoH. It was some kind of hanging thing- Josh dropped after 15 minutes and Paul & Christmas hung on for another 30 or so minutes afterwards. 

Part 2 will be Josh v Christmas on a Saturday as per them talking on the feeds. 

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5 hours ago, DakotaLavender said:

I voted for him for AFP but I think there is something seriously wrong with him. I think he needs extreme help, he seems like he could do bizarre things. These types "go postal." I am not saying HE will, but his type does. In the Jury House tonight, his behavior was still very strange. 

 I guarantee he and Jessica are done by Christmas. She already asked him if he is a "hot head" and he did not deny it. She will run from him shortly after the show is over. 

Do you mean "done by Christmas" their fellow HG or the holiday? LOL!!!

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3 hours ago, SiobhanJW said:

Part 2 will be Josh v Christmas on a Saturday as per them talking on the feeds

Maybe we will get lucky and part 2 will be something Christmas can't play in because there would absolutely be NO drama in a Paul/Christmas part 3.

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I have to think they'd make all 3 rounds of the HoH something Christmas can play in.   Isn't round 2 usually a mental comp?   I think that favors Josh because he's not on meds all the time and he seems to really study the time in the house, etc.   

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5 hours ago, DakotaLavender said:

I voted for him for AFP but I think there is something seriously wrong with him. I think he needs extreme help, he seems like he could do bizarre things. These types "go postal." I am not saying HE will, but his type does. In the Jury House tonight, his behavior was still very strange. 

 I guarantee he and Jessica are done by Christmas. She already asked him if he is a "hot head" and he did not deny it. She will run from him shortly after the show is over. 

I don't see Cody going postal as his reaction has consistently been to remove himself from the situation. That's a healthy thing to do.

His behavior is strange because he is very honestly done done done with this show and these people and yet can't leave.  And now he can be honest that Raven, you're an oblivious twit. And laugh at her. And not have to worry about the house descending on him to harass him. It's got to be a wonderfully freeing feeling.

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4 hours ago, Emilissima said:

I NEED Josh to be in final 2.  Tennis Ball Prayer Circle, anyone?

Not needed, he will be.  Raven arranged that before she left.  

Watching the jury house again this morning was delightful.  Very satisfying to see Raven and Matt on the hot seat since no one spoke to them much the entire game, much less called them out on anything.   

I particularly liked Elena slapping her thigh and exclaiming, "this is hysterical!"  

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9 hours ago, Irishsecra said:

The jury segment showed yet again what a total *** Cody is.  God help Jessica.

i don't think it helped him with the AFP vote.

Cody's definitely not playing for America's favorite, so if he doesn't win, oh well.

The only reason I hope he gets it is because it's a way to right the wrong of production screwing his game over all season. It's a nice way for the fans to say, I saw what you were trying to do and acknowledge that you were at least playing the game. It's like when Alex turned to him and said, "Much respect" when she acknowledged he wasn't playing Paul's game. We need to encourage future houseguests that this is how you gain fans.

8 hours ago, HurricaneVal said:

 I actually think that Cody is partly really like that and is partly playing a role.  I think he's doing some of that stuff for effect, like "this is my character, so I'm going to play the scene like this." You can almost see the calculation.  And I don't mind, lots of people go on BB or Survivor to play a "character." 

I tried to find it on YouTube but maybe it's not there anymore. There's live feed footage of S2 where Will talks about his audition for the show and he said they cast him to be this robotic unfeeling clinical doctor type who would logically scheme his way through the game. Of course Will is really a goofball, so although he played to the Evil Dr. Will persona, his goofy personality showed through and he just gave it up after a while.

I think it's the same thing with Cody, when he talks without thinking, like when he's with Jessica and Julie, you can see that he's very verbal and emphatic. When he's around the "cast" he restrains himself and puts on that he's more angry than he is.

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6 hours ago, DakotaLavender said:

I voted for him for AFP but I think there is something seriously wrong with him. I think he needs extreme help, he seems like he could do bizarre things. These types "go postal." I am not saying HE will, but his type does. In the Jury House tonight, his behavior was still very strange. 

 I guarantee he and Jessica are done by Christmas. She already asked him if he is a "hot head" and he did not deny it. She will run from him shortly after the show is over. 

I think Cody knows exactly who he is, he's actually making better TV than Maven, especially I got two hearts y'all.. Now she drives me crazy!! As to Jess and Cody, once they are off my screen, I don't care what happens :) 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they take a page out of BB16 and BB17's books and use one of the wall scaling comps (BB17 was a crossword puzzle they had to complete while harnessed and hauled in the air, I think BB16 was a pyramid/HG picture or name on a harness thing). It allows Christmas to compete, because there's not much falling to the ground except for the last bit and you can go down more gently if you wish. And bonus, we might get to hear Josh complaining about how the harness is squeezing his meatballs. 

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10 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I didn't think he came across as an asshole. I was amused by him. More amused by Elena but Cody gave me a chuckle or two during the jury house segment. Blunt, sarcastic, yeah. But not an asshole.

I was thinking about this last night.  Cody has really made me laugh and like him again in the jury house.  But I think it is because he is all alone and knows it.  If, god forbid, Jessica was also in the house, I can't help but think that they'd be sitting as far from the others as possible, pouting and nursing their grievances.  

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My Cody for AFP Argument:

Curtness is not the same thing as cruelty. Directness is not synonymous with premeditated and protracted sadism. Disengaging from and disregarding those with whom one does not get along is not at all analogous to promoting deeply personal abuse against them; it's diametrically opposite. Being blunt ~ = being mean. Removing oneself from conflict isn't bullying; specifically and extendedly launching debased assaults on the subjects most foundational to others as fellow humans is bullying.

Among the houseguests who generated a substantive impact on the season, only three - Cody, Elena, and Mark - both refused to engage in the rabid, jackal-like malice championed by Paul and his cohort and also showed moments of genuine compassion when they stood to gain little (M/E pushed back to varying degrees against the fiat to pile-on the target of the moment and Cody tried to do Kevin a measure of kindness by expressing his sympathy vis-a-vis missing their respective children; all three consciously made themselves vulnerable to lines of onslaughts by virtue of their gestures).

Cody is certainly never going to win Mr. Congeniality. He is, at best, socially graceless and rather odd. At worst, he can be insensitive and rude.

None of that is anywhere within the ballpark of the viciousness inherent in demeaning military service, parental legitimacy, religious worthiness, and/or the death of a sibling with the explicitly stated intent to provoke physical violence. Nor is it similar to joking about gang-raping one's competitors,  invoking the rape and murder of one's cousin to malign them, or any of the other egregiously despicable shit that everyone except MCE did at different times in the house, often directly to a subject in an effort to proverbially shit all over them.

I don't need to concur with a person's politics if they behave with a modicum of decency on an interpersonal level with those around them. Although I think Cody clearly has misguided ideas about trans people that derive from white cis male privilege, I've seen nothing to indicate that he harbors hatred of them or any other minorities, particularly in context that even some of the most progressive public leaders in the country didn't even support same-sex marriage until five years ago. People evolve and become enlightened ideologically at different rates. He certainly displayed much less hate than, say, Christmas throughout the past three months; as far as I can recall, he retaliated below the belt to the nuttiness around him about once, when he remarked upon Josh's weight after over a week of harassment.

Mark seems like stand-up guy but, as was pointed out upthread, he essentially assaulted Josh by throwing the pickle juice and condiments on him. The frequent crying jags were also kind of annoying. Elena likewise seems like a foundationally nice person. She was, however, pretty meek in standing up for any principles until she was halfway out the door herself.

Both also never really had to endure to prolonged, full-on deviance over topics like a dead brother, child, etc, that Cody did. I admire his foritude and restraint in his responses in the face of the groupthink hysteria and attempts to exploit his weakest points. He ultimately just went and peacefully read his Bible.

As for Cody walking out on Matt? That's a pretty benign reaction considering the behavior Matt applauded, cosigned, and now wants to retcon after he previously noted it was effectively indefensible. Then he quietly sat and smiled while Raven acted like a lunatic.

All my subjective opinion. 

 

Jessica, is that you? ?

It's fascinating how such strong efforts seemingly have to be made to justify handing $25k to someone who voluntarily went into a game and then refused to play it when things didn't go the way they wanted--even after production gave him a second run at it. I do think he's entitled to be mad at the way this season was clearly gamed in favor of Paul but I don't see why he in particular should be given $25k to soothe his feelings. Paul will likely have his half a million so why would he care or feel like it was some kind of message being sent to him by a segment of the fans?

Meh, I'm pulling for Mark for AFP but I'd be surprised if he won.

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Okay, I'm headed into no internet land soon (they call this a vacation?!), so when I get back, I'll see how Paul won. Hopefully they at least embarass him a little (they won't. It'll be a coronation).

See y'all at Celebrity BB, where I presume Crossfit superstar Christmas will compete, along with reigning BB winner, Paul!

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I feel somewhat sorry for Cody.  He gave up his summer with his child for what he thought was a fair chance to compete.  He played full tilt right off (unlike Arbor Day who held back) and got rid of what he rightly perceived was the big threat only to be blindsided by the show in giving Paul THREE weeks of safety.  I know, expect the unexpected, but he felt that was a highly unfair advantage.  Then he endured weeks of relentless attacks, mostly personal.  Then he's rightly bored in the jury house.  I'm sure he'd rather be with his daughter or with people he respects.  Still, rather than engage in conversations he realized could get heated, his chooses not to.  Like him or not, he's true to himself.  I will vote for him.  

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8 hours ago, backformore said:

Heh, read that link somewhere else.

Would someone please explain Alex's extreme hate for Kevin?  According to this link he allegedly belittled her/picked fights with her but I never saw that.

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16 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

Okay, I'm headed into no internet land soon (they call this a vacation?!), so when I get back, I'll see how Paul won. Hopefully they at least embarass him a little (they won't. It'll be a coronation).

See y'all at Celebrity BB, where I presume Crossfit superstar Christmas will compete, along with reigning BB winner, Paul!

Have a great vacation!  Please avoid any natural disasters :)

I hope Cody got to see Matt screeching like Peter Brady during his "outrage" fit at Jason's "betrayal"

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