S05.E13: Steven and Justin's Story, Part 1

[Anchorabu]

21 minutes ago, auntjess said:

I bet the repeat James in that time, and you all could watch some My Big Fat Fabulous Life ones.

We just rewatched James, she hollered at James and Lisa the whole time, and she also yells at Whitney all through My Big Fat Fabulous Life! ?

[Awfarmington]

3 hours ago, bubbly said:

I wasn't going to say anything but I remember an older man at an assisted living center that always wanted to shake my hand when I would go visit someone there.  I don't know how many times I shook the man's hand, but one day when I was speaking with one of the people in the office she saw me shake his hand and told me in front of him not to shake it again because he was a chronic masterbater and had been an alleged sexual predator when he was younger and enjoyed the feeling of conning visitors to shake his hand.  I damn near vomited when he smiled and winked before he walked away and that was the beginning of Bubbly's aversion to shaking hands.

I don't think Steven can find his stinky pinky much less do anything with it, but I do know predators get off on power and everything with Steven is a power play.  It may be a kind of test to feel out if someone is going to politely aquiesce to his demands?

The hand shake was super weird. First of all, Dr. Now was halfway out of the room already. And the way he looked and asked to shake his hand was STRANGE! I was at a banquet for a fundraiser tonight. The main speaker just happened to be leaving as we were and we shook hands. I didn't chase him down as an afterthought and verbally ask him to shake my hand. 

 I also thought he had done something gross with his hand beforehand. Because of his size, I think certain 'organs' and crevices might be limited. But I'm sure he could have been creative.

[OSM Mom]

Trying to tell friends about this episode. They thought I was kidding.. And then they saw the YouTube videos and articles.  Complete disbelief. I wonder if Dr. Now thought mayj he could really help them. Like maybe they were going to be different somehow. 

And next week is going to be interesting to say the least. 

4 hours ago, bubbly said:

I wasn't going to say anything but I remember an older man at an assisted living center that always wanted to shake my hand when I would go visit someone there.  I don't know how many times I shook the man's hand, but one day when I was speaking with one of the people in the office she saw me shake his hand and told me in front of him not to shake it again because he was a chronic masterbater and had been an alleged sexual predator when he was younger and enjoyed the feeling of conning visitors to shake his hand.  I damn near vomited when he smiled and winked before he walked away and that was the beginning of Bubbly's aversion to shaking hands.

I just threw up in my mouth. OK. Well now I have another reason to never shake hands with anyone, besides my being a germaphobe.  

[chickenella]

4 hours ago, Cherrio said:

Looking further I found a Donna Veillette who looks like she could be the mom?   

If you scroll all the way down to the last photo, it is a pic of him and his mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267280/The-REAL-800lb-man-Morbidly-obese-man-claimed-victim-thrown-hospital-ordering-pizza-caught-camera-harassing-nurse-mocking-taxpayers-pay-treatment.html

I'm not positive but I don't think the Donna on facebook is the mother. It says she graduated HS in 1989, so steven was born in 1982 the math doesn't add up. Unless she had him as a young teen (would not surprise me) and finished high school later on. BUT the Donna on facebook is friends with another Veillette that the father is friends with, maybe she's a relative? (I love doing sleuthing work, lol).

[CatherineM]

Did you notice Dr. Now had a rubber glove on his stethoscope when he used it on Steven in the RV?  I think he was afraid of getting cooties on it. 

[55Unicorns]

God...I wish I were diserfence

[Nancypants]

I'm not even kidding when I say this.....Someone please get an Exorcist for Steven. Its in his eyes how evil he is, the beast is in there.

[mamadrama]

9 hours ago, raiderred1 said:

I actually said this to my DH!  This guy was a sadist.  I could endure Manson as a house guest before I could handle this dude on just Facetime!  Holy shit!

Hell, supposedly Manson is at least kind of charming. You know, if I were forced to choose between my psychopaths...

[mamadrama]

7 hours ago, bubbly said:

You need social skills or at least a peer group to sell dope.

He has been a popular You Tuber for years and has a huge fan base. Unfortunately.

[MillieSparklepants]

I think Steven is a creepy sociopath. He treats people as objects there to do his bidding and he sees every interaction as having a winner and a loser. The winking and pumping his eyebrows for the cameras when he got his way was really disturbing. He's the kind of person that you'd want to film every interaction you had with him because you know that some day, you're going to need video evidence. If I were a hospital worker, there's no way I'd go in his room alone. I'll bet (hope) that the fabulous Princess was smart enough to have a small weapon on her at all times when she was near Steven.

I also think Steven has abused or molested Justin in a big bad way. When he learned Dr. Now had admitted Justin, the delighted lilt in his voice when he said "Justin's here?" made my skin crawl. This guy won't even get up to use the bathroom, but he dragged himself all the way to Justin's room to say hello? I seriously doubt that was a brotherly visit of support. I think it was more of a "I know you're here and you can't get away from me" kind of thing. His whole demeanor was menacing.

Justin seemed like a sweet, but developmentally stunted, guy who has been dealt a very bad hand. Like others have said upthread, I think the best thing for him would be to get him away from his family.

One hundred years ago, both these guys would already be dead because they can't take care of themselves and they contribute nothing. There were no social service nets to catch those who couldn't make it on their own. I'm glad we have those safety nets now, but I think they've also helped to fundamentally change our society and not for the better. People in my dad's generation measure their self-worth by what they could accomplish and contribute. People in my daughter's generation measure it by what they possess, preferably obtained with as little effort as possible. Steven is an extreme, but he was obviously proud of his ability to live on the public dole and manipulate others to get what he wanted. I think we're going to see more and more people like him in the future because we allow it.

Edited April 1, 2017 by MillieSparklepants

[MillieSparklepants]

6 hours ago, embarassed2bhere said:

I'm 100% convinced that pulling his hair out is a manipulative gesture, as is "suicide".  He could at some point commit suicide, but it would be a miscalculation, not an intention, on his part.

I agree. He seemed way too proud of himself when Dr. Now came in the room for it to be anything but a manipulation tactic.

[Nancypants]

The hair pulling was especially disturbing. Who knows what the pathology / motivation for that is!

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[KateHearts]

7 hours ago, MillieSparklepants said:

People in my dad's generation measure their self-worth by what they could accomplish and contribute. People in my daughter's generation measure it by what they possess, preferably obtained with as little effort as possible.

Interesting point. I found Justin's comment that "I'm just a guy who wants to have fun all the time" rather sad and telling. To him, being alone and playing his games or assembling his models is being happy and accomplished.  Most of us would prefer to be self-sufficient, independent and assimilate into the world.

2 hours ago, Nancypants said:

The hair pulling was especially disturbing. Who knows what the pathology / motivation for that is!

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Oh, I think it's something Steven read about online and decided to try as another attention-getting tool.  Hair-pulling (trichotillomania) is an OCD/anxiety manifestation. He seemed rather coy and pleased when Dr. Nowzaradan pointed it out and asked him about it.  He was pleased as punch that he got a few moments' worth of  concern and attention for his behavior.  All planned.

Edited April 1, 2017 by KateHearts

[Toaster Strudel]

I found it easier to rag on James K than to rag on Steven because James K is still operating in the spectrum of human behavior.

Steven does not operate as a human.  He is a sadistic, evil, violent pervert and his behavior is beyond comprehension.  I just cannot wrap my head around it.

[Wings]

6 minutes ago, Toaster Strudel said:

I found it easier to rag on James K than to rag on Steven because James K is still operating in the spectrum of human behavior.

Steven does not operate as a human.  He is a sadistic, evil, violent pervert and his behavior is beyond comprehension.  I just cannot wrap my head around it.

The proper medical term for him is 'fucked up.'  I agree that James is easier to put on blast because he appears to have the ability to reach a place to succeed.  Steven does not.  

[Singingflutist]

On 3/30/2017 at 9:55 PM, ClareWalks said:

WTF. Nowadays $700 can buy you 3 pizzas a day every month. That is insane. I mean, I like pizza, but I couldn't eat THREE EVERY DAY.

Just as a point of comparison, I'm on disability in Canada for severe crohn's disease and waiting for a series of 2  major surgeries and I get $740 a month IN TOTAL!

[ethalfrida]

I am creeped out by Steven. I am creeped out by an environment that can produce a person like him. 

But on another note I cannot imagine him getting away with anything from the home care nurse. 

[Trees]

3 hours ago, Nancypants said:

The hair pulling was especially disturbing. Who knows what the pathology / motivation for that is!

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Attention.  Think about this.  EVERY single thing he does is for attention.

Walking around naked.  Pulling hair.  Disgracing himself on Youtube.  Being 700 pounds.  Screaming for pizza.  Screaming, period.  Calling for nurses every 10 minutes.  Being so anti-social as to require a visit (and camera crew) from Dr Now.  

Even the handshake.  Dr Now was about to ignore him by leaving the room.  The handshake was one more "look at me" moment.

Look at any of his behaviors.  Every one is a desperate manipulative move for attention. 

I'm not trained in psychology so I have no idea what the therapy is for someone so damaged as to take oneself down this far for the attention.  But, putting this man on TV (again) is a sure-fire way to NOT get him help. 

While a normal person would be horrified at these dark moments of ones life to be exposed on TV, Steven was in his glory.  ATTENTION! And with this kick up in his profile, he's going to escalate.  I noticed in the text thing that somebody posted, he had a comment about "media inquiries".  Plenty of sickos are going to egg him on and enjoy his nasty antics.

As long as he's surrounded with his enablers, I see a future of intentional weight-gain and more disgraceful Youtube videos.  I'm sure he's going to try to top 1,000 pounds, if he can find a scale, to get even more notoriety.

Again, shame on TLC.  Broadcasting this was the moral equivalent of putting someone with another form of disability on the air and showing him/her disgrace him/herself and fail.  Any time I think about this, I feel like I watched a sick form of porn.

Edited April 1, 2017 by Trees
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[DEG9]

People wonder why Steven was accepted by Dr. Now into the program even though the doctor had some idea of his behavior. The fact is until he could assess the issues in person he probably felt obligated as a healer to try and help. The doctor did mention, before the family arrived, that he had an inkling that this would be difficult, but he still had the compassion to try. And when it became clear that it wouldn't, he advised another form of treatment.

As to that family, well, dysfunctional as a term does not quite cover them. It was the most difficult show I've ever watched (including the last episode of Twin Peaks, which was fictional), as excuse after excuse was made by each one of them as to why they did what they did. Dad's guilt, Justin's anger, Steven's... everything were so infuriating!

Steven is, no doubt, a narcissist and a sociopath. No, I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but the pathology is quite evident in his behavior. I wonder if he hadn't experienced the childhood he'd had if he might still have had mental issues. Certainly what happened to him and his brother contributed, though.

He is what I term a psychic vampire. He feeds on other peoples energies, specifically the negative ones, using the established psycho-dramas of Abuser, Antagonizer and Poor-Me. He might even throw in an occasional Aloof, but I doubt if he'd be able to sustain that for any length of time. 

This whole shmegegie (technical term, heh) is about attention and feeding, and, I confess, I was sucked into it (pun, sorry), experiencing some intense negativity towards him as I watched. But then I realized, that was the point. He is able to feed on all of this attention, even though he's never met any of us, because it's all directed at him.

I'm not sure if I'm going to continue watching his story. It is actually painful seeing the waste of a life and knowing that he does not want to change. I can't even begin to touch on the rest of the family.  

I started watching this show because I've gotten a lot of very inspiring lessons from both the successes and failures of these people. Stevens story is also teaching me something - that some people do not deserve my attention. 

I predict that by the end of the second part he will not have changed, and will be whining about how unfair everyone is to him. (Puir bebe! Heh!) That dad and brother will be in the exact same place as they are now, and that many people will remain outraged and wishing catastrophic ill to the lot. 

I do not wish him/them ill, I just wish him/them away from me. And so it shall be. 

[Trees]

14 minutes ago, DEG9 said:

People wonder why Steven was accepted by Dr. Now into the program even though the doctor had some idea of his behavior. The fact is until he could assess the issues in person he probably felt obligated as a healer to try and help.

 

I don't wonder at all. Dr Now's son is the executive producer. Ratings.  Money in the bank.  PR.

Someone posted an interview, probably 2015, about him getting kicked out for pizza.  It says that following that incident, reps from this series reached out TO HIM.  They were strategically seeking out this "celebrity" just like Publisher's Clearinghouse hired Ed McMahon.

Another red flag showing that he was not "accepted" into the program: this guy was given celebrity status that no one else has ever received:

• Top of the line medical transport.  (Think about James' dad having to refinance his house to pay for it. Think about the other patients riding in the backs of vans)
• Lengthy hospitalization.  (Very few patients get this.)
• A personal care attendant.  (think of the woman whose niece and nephew and little kids had to give up their lives and move down there. Think of Nicole living in a hellhole with addicts.)

Jonathan Nowzaradan sought out this train-wreck for the PR, told his dad they were going to do it, and gave him the celebrity, VIP status that he loves.

And we all took the bait! Look at this thread!

[ethalfrida]

Here's what puzzles me about Justin. He goes to Houston with James with James being the primary hopeful. Justin wants to talk to Dr. Now about his situation. So why would he refuse treatment on the basis that Steven was admitted? He is not much different from his brother in that they both suffer from some psychological need. He throws a tantrum because his brother is in the hospital he himself wants into knowing his brother was going to get admitted.

Edited April 1, 2017 by ethalfrida

[Nancypants]

2 hours ago, Toaster Strudel said:

I found it easier to rag on James K than to rag on Steven because James K is still operating in the spectrum of human behavior.

Steven does not operate as a human.  He is a sadistic, evil, violent pervert and his behavior is beyond comprehension.  I just cannot wrap my head around it.

This is an astute observation. I concur.

[notyrmomma]

23 hours ago, gardendiva said:

It is so strange that you should say this, because I was thinking the exact same thing. Steven is exactly like one of Stephen King's hateful, extreme characters that make you hate and fear him with equal measure. I thought it was too random of a thought and didn't say anything, but to see you make the same observation gave me shivers.

Maybe TLC is doing a cross-promotion with the new Steven King movie based on the book It that is coming out in September?  That creepy clown pic that someone posted definitely reminded me of it.

[themabeldifference]

The whole episode was disturbing. I am still creeped out but I have a question for you all:

Why do you think stevens dad is an abuser? Where do you especially see this?

I mean, I agree, but I would like to know what you guys and girls think! Thaaaanx!!!

[gardendiva]

18 minutes ago, themabeldifference said:

The whole episode was disturbing. I am still creeped out but I have a question for you all:

Why do you think stevens dad is an abuser? Where do you especially see this?

I mean, I agree, but I would like to know what you guys and girls think! Thaaaanx!!!

I don't know enough about Steven Sr. to say one way or the other whether he was actually abusive (aside from not providing his sons the life skills and guidance they needed to become independent adults), but the fact that he let his alcoholic ex wife take custody of them, knowing they were in for a hellish experience, says something. 

[lovesnark]

Here's my take on the 100 hydrocodone being gone in 24 hours. Steven's drug of choice seems to be dilaudid from what we were shown. I'm sure it was easy as pie for him to find someone via Craigslist or another website interested in either doing a swap or paying him outright for the hydrocodone so he could buy dilaudid or something stronger that hydrocodone from someone else.  I learned from a local cop that if you look at the 'Party Favors' section of Craigslist, you can find whatever you want. He said it's a never ending circle of the same people using different contact info to buy and sell drugs. The acetaminophen in 100 hydrocodone in 24 hours would have killed Steven's liver and kidneys. He was selling or trading them for something stronger.

[Anchorabu]

2 hours ago, DEG9 said:

He is what I term a psychic vampire. He feeds on other peoples energies, specifically the negative ones, using the established psycho-dramas of Abuser, Antagonizer and Poor-Me. He might even throw in an occasional Aloof, but I doubt if he'd be able to sustain that for any length of time. 

Bingo! "Psychic vampire" is exactly right. He sucks the life and energy from everyone around him and gives nothing in return. Well said. 

[Granny58]

19 hours ago, bubbly said:

Maybe the deep web and bitcoin?  I don't know much about Craigslist other than the murderer that used it.

me either...and I know even less about selling drugs.  

[Toaster Strudel]

34 minutes ago, lovesnark said:

 He was selling or trading them for something stronger.

Or pizza!

[Granny58]

2 hours ago, DEG9 said:

I'm not sure if I'm going to continue watching his story. It is actually painful seeing the waste of a life and knowing that he does not want to change. I can't even begin to touch on the rest of the family.  

I started watching this show because I've gotten a lot of very inspiring lessons from both the successes and failures of these people. Stevens story is also teaching me something - that some people do not deserve my attention. 

It's interesting, though, that he does not want to change...that is also part of his psychopathy.  This is hugely abnormal behavior...all of it.  I too watch for the inspiration, but sometimes also for the freak show aspect of it (and I am fine with that....they have chosen to display themselves).   

6 minutes ago, Toaster Strudel said:

Or pizza!

oh, it was definitely for the pizza.  

1 hour ago, themabeldifference said:

The whole episode was disturbing. I am still creeped out but I have a question for you all:

Why do you think stevens dad is an abuser? Where do you especially see this?

I mean, I agree, but I would like to know what you guys and girls think! Thaaaanx!!!

My personal opinion - I didn't get the abuser vibe from dad.  However, I did get the impression that child rearing was way above his pay grade.  He had no idea how to deal with either of them and probably never did.  

[Granny58]

1 hour ago, ethalfrida said:

Here's what puzzles me about Justin. He goes to Houston with James with James being the primary hopeful. Justin wants to talk to Dr. Now about his situation. So why would he refuse treatment on the basis that Steven was admitted? He is not much different from his brother in that they both suffer from some psychological need. He throws a tantrum because his brother is in the hospital he himself wants into knowing his brother was going to get admitted.

Probably because he has social anxiety and didn't want to be away from home.  He said he was given the diet instructions and figured he would do it himself...of course, he didn't.  

[lovesnark]

13 minutes ago, Toaster Strudel said:

Or pizza!

Maybe he hit the dope and pizza lottery and scored a delivery dude with a dilaudid connection!

[SmithW6079]

20 hours ago, Cherrio said:

Steven's dream decor.

 

It's kind of mine too. ☺

[ethalfrida]

I have it playing in the background so I am picking up on a lot of things I missed earlier. He swings from the a screaming 6 year old to a nasty man. And he's filthy, filthy, filthy.

[Morgalisa]

On 3/31/2017 at 9:55 AM, gonecrackers said:

I haven't had the horror of watching this yet but from folks here describing the hand shake requests & his reactions I wonder if he had his hand, um, somewhere, shortly before, & if the other person knew they'd be horrified. It seems like him to do something like that from the descriptions of his behavior. If I were Dr. Now I would've said 'sure' to the hand shake, but wait, 'just need to put my glove on first' (or like 20 gloves). That might've taken the thrill out of it for Steven.

I'd feel like I'd need a skin graft if I touched his hand without full coverage.

This reminded me of something Trump "wrote" in The Art of the Deal. He said before meetings/negotiations, he would go to the mens room and handle his junk and not wash his hands, then come in and shake their hands. 

[Honey]

On 3/29/2017 at 11:36 PM, Dru Blood said:

Whooo doggies.  You all thought James K. was bad!  Steven A. is a straight up sadist!  A manipulative, f*^%ed in the head sadist!  Too bad Mom didn't accidentally set the house on fire while she was out drinking one night.  There's a big fat missed opportunity!  Boo hoo.

Good suggestion, but unless he is hooked on illegal drugs that Dr.'s aren't subscribing him, then it won't happen.  He has to be documented as a drug seeker and they need to put it in his permanent (read: insurance) chart that he has been caught drug seeking.  Unfortunately, the ER can't turn him away or deny him pain medicine if they don't have proof he is faking or drug seeking.  Maybe it is best he goes into a drug rehab.  Then it gets in to that permanent insurance record and in the future, they can turn him down.  What a monster.

Of course they can deny him pain medication.  I broke my arm when I fell over a gate.  I was sent home with instructions to take Tylenol for pain.  I was in agony, but at my hospital, they absolutely do not give out pain medication for just a broken arm.  So, I can't imagine why they continue to give him narcotics.  Those little signs all over the hospital with the sad/happy faces asking about your pain level are a complete joke.  Maybe Texas is very different from New York in this regard.

The addicts have made it almost impossible for those with a legitimate need for medication, to get the relief they need.

[mamadrama]

5 minutes ago, Honey said:

Of course they can deny him pain medication.  I broke my arm when I fell over a gate.  I was sent home with instructions to take Tylenol for pain.  I was in agony, but at my hospital, they absolutely do not give out pain medication for just a broken arm.  So, I can't imagine why they continue to give him narcotics.  Those little signs all over the hospital with the sad/happy faces asking about your pain level are a complete joke.  Maybe Texas is very different from New York in this regard.

The addicts have made it almost impossible for those with a legitimate need for medication, to get the relief they need.

Same here. ER sends people home without pain medication all the time. Heck, so do the surgeons. I was released from brain surgery and my hysterectomy with Tylenol.

[aliya]

3 hours ago, ethalfrida said:

Here's what puzzles me about Justin. He goes to Houston with James with James being the primary hopeful. Justin wants to talk to Dr. Now about his situation. So why would he refuse treatment on the basis that Steven was admitted? He is not much different from his brother in that they both suffer from some psychological need. He throws a tantrum because his brother is in the hospital he himself wants into knowing his brother was going to get admitted.

Two of my half sisters (B & C) are currently living with my mother. They are significantly younger than I am, so apparently physical and emotional stuff went on between them that I didn't know about until the past few years. The youngest (C) had been OK living with my parents and care taking her dying father. B moved in a couple of years later. Well, it has been a nightmare. They don't speak to each other. They have gotten physical. C is on meds for mental and physical issues which she claims are due to B. C won't do anything that B does - including being on Pinterest. C had started a few boards and I was glad to see her get out of herself a bit, but then she stopped. It turned out that B got on Pinterest and C said she couldn't be on there anymore. I tried talking to her, but no, if B is involved, C would rather sit in her room and stare into space than do anything that B does. I can absolutely see B leaving the hospital if C were going to be there as well.

I can't imagine the details of what B did to C, but it must have been something to create such animosity.  I also don't know why my mother, knowing what's gone on, would let B move in. I couldn't have the drama in my house, that's for sure.

[frenchtoast]

18 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

Same here. ER sends people home without pain medication all the time. Heck, so do the surgeons. I was released from brain surgery and my hysterectomy with Tylenol.

I'm going to take my reply to Small Talk.

[MillieSparklepants]

33 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

Same here. ER sends people home without pain medication all the time. Heck, so do the surgeons. I was released from brain surgery and my hysterectomy with Tylenol.

I went to the ER with chest and back pain two years ago and they started pumping me full of morphine before they even knew what was wrong. And I wasn't screaming or acting out either, I was lying quietly in the bed trying to focus on breathing. I was in the ER for six hours before I was admitted to the hospital and the nurses gave me at least four injections of morphine, even though I never once asked for it. They came in on a schedule to give me another injection.

I had a pulmonary embolism, but the morphine headache was almost worse than the pain from the blood clots! I guess I didn't fit the profile of a typical drug seeker or maybe they were just a super trusting bunch of nurses, but I was surprised how willing they were to give me narcotics. I got so baked on morphine that I tried to refuse treatment for the PE and started telling everyone it must be "my time." (I was 41.) Good thing my husband was there to tell them to ignore me. Now we have a good story to laugh about.

Edited April 1, 2017 by MillieSparklepants

[Johnny Dollar]

I'm going in for minor surgery next week and I've already told Mrs. Dollar that I want to role play Steven and Princess while I'm recovering. PIZZAAAA!!!!!

[AZChristian]

IMHO, the biggest difference between Steven and James K is probably intellect.  Steven is a horrible person, manipulative, non-caring, and smart enough to figure out all kinds of ways to get what he wants (pizza and attention).  James K is a horrible person, manipulative, non-caring and only smart enough to figure out how to browbeat immediate family and friends into giving in to his whims.  He's trying to branch out, though; he has learned about gofundme.  He's just not smart enough to fool the people there.

[TicketToHellPaid]

Was that nasty green stuff on his legs mold? Lumpy amd thick and hilly mold?

 

and this, referencing the pic, is this 20 years of sh*t accumulating on his shorts?

 

[Otter]

Just finished watching the Supersized version.  All I can say is "wow".  We didn't need to meet Steven.  TLC has been repeating the first episodes, which are uplifting and you root for the people.  Even Chuck who was a jerk.  He got with the program.  Steven is so horrid -- he threw his urine at nurse.  I mean who does that?  And Dr. Now still gave him care with housecalls.  What a waste of finite money and services.  

I've read this entire thread before watching.  Lol, was wondering what a medical RV was, and still wonder.  Never heard of such a thing.  

And it will be a long time before I'll eat any pizza.  UGH!.  

 

[Otter]

Oh, and meant to ask -- watched the Supersized version but TIVOed the first episode from Wednesday.  I get confused between the originals and the Supersized -- worth it to watch the original?

[Audpaud]

Yes, Steven is despicable. Is there a combination of an enforced military style boot camp coupled with psychotherapy setting anywhere? That's the only thing I can envision helping this guy. I wouldn't say I have empathy for Steven, but I do have compassion. I'm not a big believer in the "born evil" thing, and regardless of what may or may not be true regarding his (their) childhood, I'm rooting for both brothers - both incredibly damaged men.

[DNR]

I'm about 30 minutes into Part One and I despise Stephen.  Justin didn't seem as bad so far.  I never get why when the 600 pounder screams for food etc , the family members jump to.... It's not like Stephen can chase Justin or Dad thru the house. Take his phone , tablet and let him scream till his vocal cords bleed.  

[mamadrama]

4 hours ago, MillieSparklepants said:

I went to the ER with chest and back pain two years ago and they started pumping me full of morphine before they even knew what was wrong. And I wasn't screaming or acting out either, I was lying quietly in the bed trying to focus on breathing. I was in the ER for six hours before I was admitted to the hospital and the nurses gave me at least four injections of morphine, even though I never once asked for it. They came in on a schedule to give me another injection.

I had a pulmonary embolism, but the morphine headache was almost worse than the pain from the blood clots! I guess I didn't fit the profile of a typical drug seeker or maybe they were just a super trusting bunch of nurses, but I was surprised how willing they were to give me narcotics. I got so baked on morphine that I tried to refuse treatment for the PE and started telling everyone it must be "my time." (I was 41.) Good thing my husband was there to tell them to ignore me. Now we have a good story to laugh about.

I am a chronic pain patient and, these days, I have a pain pump installed within me that provides me with a constant source of pain medication. I've been on both morphine and Diludad full time. However, our local ERs do NOT hand out pain medication (either while you're there or as a prescription) unless they can see something on an MRI or CT scan that would warrant them. The post that I was replying to is right-thanks to the addicts, it has become increasingly more difficult for people who need the medicine to get it. 

[bethster2000]

11 hours ago, Toaster Strudel said:

Steven does not operate as a human.  He is a sadistic, evil, violent pervert and his behavior is beyond comprehension.  I just cannot wrap my head around it.

The more I think about the whole situation and him, the more I agree with you.  There's no "there" there, other than malovelence and mimicking human emotions.  He oddly has no sense of shame yet a complete and totally inflated sense of self-importance.  He's a series of badly given performances masquerading as a human being.

2 hours ago, Otter said:

he threw his urine at nurse.  

And you know the thought behind it was, "collect my urine on my schedule or you'll clean it off the floor."  Like his revolting fat ass has any standing whatsoever to teach anyone some sort of twisted lesson.  Here's a thought for you, you pig: YOU get up out of bed and down on the floor and clean up your waste, disgusting piece of filth.

Edited April 2, 2017 by bethster2000

[ChristmasJones]

7 hours ago, Morgalisa said:

This reminded me of something Trump "wrote" in The Art of the Deal. He said before meetings/negotiations, he would go to the mens room and handle his junk and not wash his hands, then come in and shake their hands. 

While this would not surprise me in the least, it has been debunked by snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/trump-no-wash-trick/