S07.E23: Ready Or Not

[polandspring]

On 3/6/2017 at 11:10 AM, Lm2162 said:

Lol. Would be funny! I wonder if there are any. There's stage makeup and fashion school but getting a BA in cosmetology would be hilarious. I know there's a BA in homemaking at a crazy uber-Christian school. 

But nah-- she started just 6 weeks ago. Must have decided against beauty school. 

While I don't think it's worth $63K per year, the idea of a home economics course of study makes a lot of sense to me.  Most parents could stand to know more about nutrition, budgeting, child development, etc.

[ReadMeLattice]

2 minutes ago, polandspring said:

While I don't think it's worth $63K per year, the idea of a home economics course of study makes a lot of sense to me.  Most parents could stand to know more about nutrition, budgeting, child development, etc.

This was about Christian homemaking and obeying your husband, and only women could take it, so I don't know if it was exactly practical. I believe it was at Southwestern Baptist something or other, went viral a few years ago. 

[Miss Chevious]

4 minutes ago, polandspring said:

While I don't think it's worth $63K per year, the idea of a home economics course of study makes a lot of sense to me.  Most parents could stand to know more about nutrition, budgeting, child development, etc.

Yeah, too bad Leah would'nt be able to pass to pass that one. Not in a million years.

[kira28]

  When David leaves Janelle (pry when her money dries up) if she were to gain custody of Jace she would just pawn him off on barb again. There is no possible way Janelle could manage three kids alone. Barb actually loves and is attached to Jace. Janelle is not. Jace Is just something to "win" to Janelle. 

To the poster who suggested child services may take an Interest in the neglect of Allie... I have a relative who lives in WV and  her stepdaughter lived with the child's mom and her husband saw her every other weekend. The kids mom started dating a sex offender who wasn't even allowed near children and she moved him into the house with her 3 yr old daughter. Luckily the sex offender didn't harm the little girl but he did shoot up heroin pass out while babysitting the girl and the three year old was found wandering the streets. WV Child services was notified and placed the child with the father. The mother refused to kick the sex offender out of her house so she was afforded supervised visitation. Turned out the Cps worker (a man) started having a sexual relationship with the mom he was supposed to be supervising! He was terminated but the mom eventually regained normal visitation and started dating another sex offender. The judge ordered no contact between mom and sex offender boyfriend which she didn't abide by and was caught on a security camera at a store with him and Cps decided that even though she broke the judges order and she was dating a convicted sex offender that she be allowed supervised visitation but she was allowed to. Pick her own family member to supervise the visits. But she called Cps on her daughter's dad who has a clean home no criminal record and is married with a good job and Cps wrote his family up for having snacks sitting on a kitchen counter! Later after the moms case was closed, a teacher reported that the now five year old girl was terrified of something at her mom's house and was wetting her pants at school. Cps actually told her they didn't want to deal with the mother again because she didn't comply with anything and was too much of a hassle to deal with. So they ignored the report. Im not impressed with WV.

Kail really doesn't give a crap about her kids. Jo had better be careful. If I were vee I'd be ready to pack my bags. Vee could easily take Jo to court for child support  and he'd be screwed. He'd also have to choose which kid he wanted to live near. Vee is gorgeous and Jo would never find someone like her again. I don't think Jo is dumb enough to sleep with Kail. For o e she looks like a garbage pail. Kid next to vee and two Jo knows how shifty Kail can be and how quickly she could turn on him. I don't think he would do that to Issac. I'm all for Javi breaking into his own house as long as it irritates Kail. Y does she keep dumping Issac off with Jo unexpectedly? Too busy to parent her own kid? 

[MissMel]

24 minutes ago, shelley1234 said:

I'm fine with Barb wanting to make sure Jenelle knows about the fundraiser.  She said to David that Jace is selling things and people can order online....aka...she wants Jenelle to use her stupid social media presence for her son for once and post the link on there.  She said that Jace could do really well and win prizes if he sold a bunch.   

Me, too.  Barb was excited because Jenelle could help Jace win a really cool prize.  All she had to do is tweet about it.  No orders, no products, nothing.  Just tweet Jace's link out to the fundraiser.  

Pissed off at her mom or not, she could have done that one simple thing for her son she "wants back".  David could have even told Jenelle to chill long enough to hear about the popcorn.  Then she could cuss her mom and toss around mics and cameras after.  Because the important part was about one simple thing Jenelle could do for Jace.  

[CofCinci]

3 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Interesting because I've noticed that there hasn't been a 16+Pregnant in California (or maybe only one). And none of the girls from either TM franchise live in any of those states.

I realize the rules don't apply to reality show appearances, but I could totally see California making a provision to cover minors in on-going reality shows. 

You'll also notice that the older children are no longer coming to reunion tapings.  Most likely because MTV would have to provide an on-set teacher for the children and follow a whole new set of rules (lunch, R&R, Entertainment Work Permit, etc).

[lezlers]

2 hours ago, shelley1234 said:

I'm fine with Barb wanting to make sure Jenelle knows about the fundraiser.  She said to David that Jace is selling things and people can order online....aka...she wants Jenelle to use her stupid social media presence for her son for once and post the link on there.  She said that Jace could do really well and win prizes if he sold a bunch.   

Right, but that wasn't really what her behavior was about.  She knew Jenelle didn't want to talk to her right then.  It could've waited.  Was it really worth Jace seeing them have another blow out in front of him, which she knew would happen when she kept pushing the issue?  That's what I had a problem with.  She put her dysfunctional relationship with Jenelle ahead of Jace's best interest in that moment.  Not cool.

[shelley1234]

Given how Jenelle is....I'm not sure it could wait.   She sent her a message about it and got no response.  She wanted to make sure Jenelle knew that she could actually do something on the suck that is social media that could help her son.  It was important to Jace and it was important to Barb.  Jenelle could be an actual grown up and parent and listen.  But she can't because she's Jenelle and she's neither of those things.  

I didn't see it that way at all.  If Barb had to wait until Jenelle is not gonna blow up....well, she'd never have a conversation.  That drama llama event was all on Jenelle in my book.  

[JBC344]

17 minutes ago, lezlers said:

Right, but that wasn't really what her behavior was about.  She knew Jenelle didn't want to talk to her right then.  It could've waited.  Was it really worth Jace seeing them have another blow out in front of him, which she knew would happen when she kept pushing the issue?  That's what I had a problem with.  She put her dysfunctional relationship with Jenelle ahead of Jace's best interest in that moment.  Not cool.

I love Barb but she absolutely started that fight.  Jenelle was sitting in the car, David took Jace to the car, there was no need to have a confrontation at all.  Barb should know that she could easily just call Jenelle tomorrow and explain the fundraiser or have Jace call her and explain.  She could of also emailed or texted the information.  Barb knows that she wasn't going to have a productive interaction with Jenelle at that moment.  Jenelle is a complete mess, but when Barb is wrong I think it's just as important to call her out on it. 

Barb was just pissed that Jenelle wouldn't talk to her and she wanted to confront her.  This had absolutely nothing to do with Jace's fundraiser.

[guilfoyleatpp]

I could see a scenario in which Barb is trying to prove that Jailnelle is only on social media for her own benefit and doesn't give two shits about Jace's interests. As PP pointed out (and I forgot), if she posted Jace's fund raiser on her twitter, Jace would win, hands down. It could be a big deal for him. Star of the class and the school.

But Jailnelle didn't want to dilute her brand with stupid kid shit. Barb had to make sure she told her in person and on camera so people would know that Jailnelle was being a selfish dick, again.

Also, it's possible the producers egged her on and encouraged her to tell Jailnelle right then.

[mittsigirl]

On 07/03/2017 at 7:30 PM, GreatKazu said:

MTV broke the fourth wall to show off how much these heifers really are the nutcases they deny they are time and time again. They would constantly put the blame on editing and MTV for how they were viewed by the viewers of this show. Now, the fourth wall just shows them in all their glory. It shows how they treat the crew, the removal and damaging of cameras, it showcases them having full-blown temper tantrums. The removal has done nothing but highlight their flagrant and offensive behavior.

This! x100. I thought the same exact thing.

Kail is all drama queen. She likely screamed at Javi, as well as said to her friends in Isaac's presence, how Javi should not be in her house or around there or she will call the police. Isaac picked up on that and learned the new rule. He was fearful. When the cops were called, Kail puts on the act, and it gets Isaac all fired up and scared. He is not used to having police at his home. Isaac saying, "You're not supposed to be here" sounds like him worrying about his dad being taken away.

 

Now on to Barb and whatshername. Sorry for the long post, but this has built up inside me and I need to purge!

That's it. I am done. Seriously, I am done with any last bit of sympathy I had for Jenelle and the abusive relationship with which she found herself in when she hooked up with UBT. If the day comes that UBT extinguishes Jenelle's life, I am not going to be posting here that I feel bad for having posted anything bad about Jenelle and how I wish it never happened and how sorry I feel for her for putting herself in danger.  I will feel bad for Barb for having lost a child. Jenelle is not a victim like the domestic violence victims I witnessed first hand back in the days. She has made her bed and has put UBT in control. She has willingly given him the power to control everything. She is paying him to be this big bad ass to her ex, Nipples, and to bully her mother. She had no problem telling UBT to stop talking to her mother and to stop giving her any camera time. That was not the actions of someone who I previously thought was deeply afraid of speaking up to UBT.  Far from it. The true victims are the children and Barb.

Jenelle you are detestable and atrocious. I hope your karma comes soon, whatever it may be. If it means you lose your kids and you lose your money, so be it. I will laugh my ass off and thank buddha. Your kids deserve anyone else as their parent/guardian because so far, you are and never have been a parent. What you are doing to your children constitutes child abuse. It may not fall under the perimeters of child abuse for CPS, but any good therapist and any decent person knows what Jenelle is doing to her kids is downright harmful and indefensible. She constantly exerts emotional, verbal, and mental abuse directly to them or in their presence.

Amber, Jenelle, Cate, Tyler, Kail, and Leah, you all want to claim the title of being the best parent? Guess what fuckheads? You all have failed miserably. Want to know what a parent is? Look at Barb! Look at Chelsea. Barb deserves so much credit, recognition, and a fucking vacation with some friends for all the hard work she puts in on a daily basis being a mother to a little boy who was dumped by his own mother.

A parent is what Barb has been doing for Jace for the past 7 years, plain and simple. She may not be the perfect parent - none of us can claim such a thing - but nonetheless she is a parent to Jace. She has made sacrifices and put up with Jenelle's shit at the same time. She put aside her own social life in order to be there for Jace. It is she who provided a roof for Jace, not Jenelle. She has ensured he is fed. She has ensured he is seen by a professional for his ADHD while she pays his medicine. She works hard for her health insurance that I am sure covers Jace as well. She has put him in social clubs and summer camps. She has taken him to school and picked him up. She has read books to him. She makes sure he has clean clothes. She was the one who tended to him when he was ill. She has been there helping him with his homework. She is the one who is there praising him for a job well done. She was the one by his bed side when he went to sleep at night, likely assuring him she would be there the next morning. She has made money from this show and rather than splurge it on countless vacations and expensive cars, she likely has put it away for Jace's future and herself.

God help Barb live a long life, please. I get scared that one day she will have a heart attack after Jenelle starts in with her.  If Jace were to lose her anytime soon, he would be doomed with Jenelle as his caretaker. When I watched Barb cry yesterday, I cried. I have watched Barb cry many times, but last night's scene was despicable. I cannot and will not fault Barb for getting caught up, again, in an argument with Jenelle. Poor Barb gets so wound up wanting to have a conversation with her daughter, that any thought of common sense goes out the window.  Dealing with Jenelle is like dealing with Satan. Barb could have left without saying a word, but eventually Satan Jenelle would have made sure to make her mother's life hell.

I saw Barb's shirt stained with tear drops that had fallen from her eyes. I so badly wanted to go through my television screen, grab her and hug her tight. I lost my mother many years ago. I miss my mother. I have yearned for her over the years. When I see Jenelle throw her own mother away and call her despicable names, I am livid. I want to beat Jenelle's ass within an inch of her life. I have never beaten up anyone in my life, but if given the chance, Jenelle would be the first one. Kail would be second. 

Jenelle, you are a fucking psychotic bitch. Fuck you. You don't deserve Barb and Jace in your life.

Rant over.

HURRAH! Every word you say is exactly how so many of us feel,

and the same as the tears we have shed for Barb. 

Go to hell Jenelle. You act like the devil.

[smores]

Barb gets all the credit in the world for doing the day to day work of raising Jace when she didn't choose to go out and get pregnant.  I'll never dispute that.  But, I also can't forget that she did help create Jenelle.  Her behaviors didn't happen in a vacuum, and Barb also knows that Jenelle is bipolar and unmedicated.  That doesn't mean that Barb can't ever talk to Jenelle about anything or has to revolve the world around her, or take whatever Jenelle dishes out, but at the same time, Barb does need to be aware of those things.  Barb is never careful to not fight with Jenelle in front of Jace.  Would it be something that would be unavoidable sometimes? Sure, but over popcorn?  Nope, she could have explained it to David, texted Jenelle, tried calling another day, or something.  Or, you know, just left it alone and figured while Jenelle SHOULD help, she won't, and it isn't really worth the fight.

Jenelle is not right in her behavior, and I am in no way excusing it.  All I'm saying is that Barb can control Barb, and she can do her best to protect Jace.  That kid needs someone to take the pressure off of him, and while both of the "moms" in his life should protect him, if Jenelle can't/won't, then Barb needs to stop barging forward with petty shit like the popcorn.

[ReadMeLattice]

@smores not to mention both of her other children have had arrests for assault and other violent behaviors. I have to wonder what was going on in their home growing up, which we know included frequent domestic abuse from their father, or if it's partially genetic predisposition. Like someone said on a different thread...What a sociological study in parenting and generational cycles of abuse this show is. Leah, daughter of teen mom and absentee dad= depressed, dysfunctional, likely abusing substances, twice divorced. Jenelle, daughter of abusive dad and later single mom=addict, multiple abusive relationships. Kail, daughter of possibly abusive, alcoholic single mom with revolving door of bfs= violent tendencies, divorced, three kids by 24. Chelsea, daughter of functional employed parents=decent mother, decent partner. And God knows all of the parents' parents, and many of the teen dads' parents, were likely even worse or the same. And their kids will likely be just like them. They meant to show teen parenting but it's like a microcosm of different family situations and their respective outcomes before our eyes. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Lm2162

[GreatKazu]

11 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

Y'all don't forget me on the trip. I make Adult brownies! OHIO calls you! I'm not scared of jail. 

Oh yeah! I will be by STAT!  lol 

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Kail can eat a bag of dicks.

Lezlers can I borrow this from you? I will give you credit. lol I seriously have tears rolling down my cheeks and I am trying so hard not to laugh so loud as my husband is asleep.

The last thing I have to point out about the Barb and Satan argument is, for all that Jenelle was yelling and hollering about wanting Jace back in her life, how Barb won't let her have him other than visits, the constant yammering of Jace's name on this show and how much Jenelle wants him back, not once did she ever utter "I love my son". Not once did she say "It hurts me to not have him."

Let me also point out, Jenelle wants to be seen as Jace's mother and caretaker and yet, she wouldn't respond to her mother's text messages and voicemails about the very son she proclaims she wants back in her life. It's only a popcorn contest to Jenelle, but it is everything to the son she constantly says she wants to raise. She surely knew up until that point that Jace was in a contest. She lives on her phone and she mentioned she was ignoring her mother's messages. That could only mean that she was REFUSING to post any links for Jace on her social media pages. By refusing, she was really telling her mother to fuck off. She wasn't going to do anything Barb asked of her regardless if it was about Jace. She was directly punishing Jace for whatever slight Barb committed. That is how it has always been. If Jenelle feels slighted by Barb, fuck Jace. She is not going for him, she won't pick him up, she ignores him like the dog shit in her garage. This is the same shit she pulled when Jace was a toddler. When Barb got on Jenelle's case about partying, drinking, and getting high, Jenelle walked out that door with no cares for Jace.

So, did Jace win the contest Barb was talking about? That was back in October, I think.

Edited March 10, 2017 by GreatKazu

[guilfoyleatpp]

6 hours ago, smores said:

Barb gets all the credit in the world for doing the day to day work of raising Jace when she didn't choose to go out and get pregnant.  I'll never dispute that.  But, I also can't forget that she did help create Jenelle.  Her behaviors didn't happen in a vacuum, and Barb also knows that Jenelle is bipolar and unmedicated.  That doesn't mean that Barb can't ever talk to Jenelle about anything or has to revolve the world around her, or take whatever Jenelle dishes out, but at the same time, Barb does need to be aware of those things.  Barb is never careful to not fight with Jenelle in front of Jace.  Would it be something that would be unavoidable sometimes? Sure, but over popcorn?  Nope, she could have explained it to David, texted Jenelle, tried calling another day, or something.  Or, you know, just left it alone and figured while Jenelle SHOULD help, she won't, and it isn't really worth the fight.

Jenelle is not right in her behavior, and I am in no way excusing it.  All I'm saying is that Barb can control Barb, and she can do her best to protect Jace.  That kid needs someone to take the pressure off of him, and while both of the "moms" in his life should protect him, if Jenelle can't/won't, then Barb needs to stop barging forward with petty shit like the popcorn.

I get what you're saying, but the assumption that Barb is as capable of having normal levels of interaction is questionable.

Probably many of us here on this board would be able to maintain a distance with Jailnelle that keeps fighting to a lesser degree (although still somewhat intolerable). But like you said, Jailnelle didn't grow up in a vacuum. Her siblings are also effed. Barb is a saint as far as Jace is concerned, but she's also Barb and plays an active role in furthering the dysfunction. Many people would be exhausted by it and trying different approaches, but not Barb. She's just full steam ahead on the "gonna mess with your head" train.

She's just so much less horrible that Jailnelle is why we think she's capable of being normal. It's like looking at a steaming pile of buffalo shit and then a smaller pile of dog shit.  

[bounnatalie]

4 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Oh yeah! I will be by STAT!  lol 

Lezlers can I borrow this from you? I will give you credit. lol I seriously have tears rolling down my cheeks and I am trying so hard not to laugh so loud as my husband is asleep.

The last thing I have to point out about the Barb and Satan argument is, for all that Jenelle was yelling and hollering about wanting Jace back in her life, how Barb won't let her have him other than visits, the constant yammering of Jace's name on this show and how much Jenelle wants him back, not once did she ever utter "I love my son". Not once did she say "It hurts me to not have him."

Let me also point out, Jenelle wants to be seen as Jace's mother and caretaker and yet, she wouldn't respond to her mother's text messages and voicemails about the very son she proclaims she wants back in her life. It's only a popcorn contest to Jenelle, but it is everything to the son she constantly says she wants to raise. She surely knew up until that point that Jace was in a contest. She lives on her phone and she mentioned she was ignoring her mother's messages. That could only mean that she was REFUSING to post any links for Jace on her social media pages. By refusing, she was really telling her mother to fuck off. She wasn't going to do anything Barb asked of her regardless if it was about Jace. She was directly punishing Jace for whatever slight Barb committed. That is how it has always been. If Jenelle feels slighted by Barb, fuck Jace. She is not going for him, she won't pick him up, she ignores him like the dog shit in her garage. This is the same shit she pulled when Jace was a toddler. When Barb got on Jenelle's case about partying, drinking, and getting high, Jenelle walked out that door with no cares for Jace.

So, did Jace win the contest Barb was talking about? That was back in October, I think.

Agree! It wasn't about needling Janelle on, it was about how she (Janelle) only wants Jace back, she doesn't want to CARE for Jace. I think Barb was trying to make a point. You can't just blow off things you don't want to deal with when you have a kid. (or, at least that's my parenting style!)

Edited March 10, 2017 by bounnatalie
clarity

[Uncle JUICE]

14 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I agree, especially when she went over to Jenelle's car to talk about some stupid school fundraiser. If Barb had already texted Jenelle about it several times and she didn't respond then fuck it, let it go already. Don't keep dumping cans of gasoline on the fire. They're just the most dysfunctional people but neither one will walk away. They're both addicted to the drama.

I don't think it's as clear cut as all that, that Barb wanted to start some shit doesn't seem like a really plain motivation. I'm not saying she didn't recognize the probability that it WOULD happen, but if she merely texts Jenelle about it, then Jenelle doesn't acknowledge the texts, then Jenelle will just say "Awww, Meme never told me about that sweetie" and "you NEVER! TEXTED me! anything about any FUNDraiser! DUDE! WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NOT WANT TO GIVE ME BACK MY SON!" Barb is well aware that Jenelle has an inexplicable social media army who would really be able to help Jace's chances at prizes. It seems like the kind of thing where it's likely she would have grit her teeth, said "I just want to go remind her, see if she's going to help." But then I don't remember if she got over there and said "Why don't you want to come out of the car and talk to me?" or something like that. All I'm sure of is that her PURPOSE wasn't to get into that argument in front of Jace. Maybe she was trying to make sure Jace knew she said something about it.

 

ETA I probably should have clicked on the next page where like 14 different people made a similar point to mine. Sorry all!

Edited March 10, 2017 by Uncle JUICE

[Calm81]

I know I'm not going to win the popular vote with what I'm about to say but...

Barb is really starting to tick me off. I know she put her life on hold to raise her grandson and I want to HUG her for that.

However, that scene about the fundraiser didn't have to go down like that and especially in front of Jace. If Jenelle was ignoring her text about the popcorn fundraiser what makes her think Jenelle will be willing to talk about it when she CLEARLY made everyone, including barb, well aware that she had no interest in talking to barb, hense the reason she had Dave bring Jace over to barb.

Then barb starts on the "I want to be dead" stuff infront of a 7 year old. I think she said that, so if I'm wrong I apologize.

Shes always trying to get Jace to see how Jenelle bullies her when Barb instigated that scene, and Jace gave Barb what she wanted, a hug basically saying "meme I know my mom is mean to you." It's not healthy and I don't like it.

If you know your daughter is a psycho and Jenelle made it CLEAR she didn't want to film anymore screnes with you then text her, message her about the fundraiser in private and if she ignored the messages move on. You know Jenelle sucks but you put Jace into another dramatic situation - the poor kid is going to develop panic disorder because of these two. 

Im not in the same "babs is so great" fan club because the lady can't talk without getting loud and defensive like her crazy daughter. I know she sacrificed a lot and is the BETTER ALTERNATIVE for Jace but barbs is a toxic person to have one jaces life to and it's sad she's getting a pass for her behavior because Jenelle is the worst of the two and how she rescued her grandson.

Barb needs to instill a healthy environment for Jace and fighting with his mother in front of him is NOT HEALTHY and she could handle herself better being a 60 year old grandmother.

Again, I have so much respect for her as a grandmother and for what she has sacrificed but I can't stand how she goes from 0 -60 in her mood and I see where Jenelle got it from.

Im sorry but that's how I feel. 

Now that fun popcorn fundraiser probably has been RUINED on Jace because he had to witness a nasty fight over it. If I were him I'd have said "Fuck the damn popcorn fundraiser you nut jobs just took all the fun out of it on me!!"

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Edited March 10, 2017 by Calm81

[Christina]

Once again I'm days behind in reading. I read the word "lice" and immediate had to stop reading to scratch my head. It is a subconscious act after my niece passed it on to me many years ago.

Years ago, the State took Janelle to court for contempt because she hadn't paid child support through Child Support Enforcement like she was supposed to and was in arrears. After that hearing, an article was posted saying that Barb waived her child support. After that article was published, an article appeared on another site, probably The Ashley since Janelle likes to sell stories there, clarifying that she did NOT waive child support, she just asked that the judge release CSE from being the collector and let it go directly from Janelle to her. This was because Janelle would be paid once per year at the end of filming or season airing plus once more for the bonuses they received and the after shows that they received extra funds to attend. She was also getting money for her tweets and instagram posts of products. With CSE involved, as soon as Janelle missed a certain amount of payments or hit a certain amount of past due funds she would be arrested for non-compliance. 

At that hearing and in the follow-up article Barb told the judge that she was receiving a portion of Janelle's MTV money directly, and it was more than the amount she had been court ordered to pay. Janelle followed up on Twitter when she answered someone's question about the story, and she again said that they split what would be her compensation. It was later disclosed that Amber received $140k when she was arrested, and I think Janelle was getting $75k while Barb was getting $65k. There have been articles that showed some of the people who appeared on the show were paid $1500 and others $5000 for the season. It had to do with how long you were on the show. Barb is close enough to a major character that she probably has her own contract with a larger compensation than $5000 now, but at the time of the CSE hearing, she was being paid as a bit tertiary party. Randy also was paid these smaller amounts. 

If I wasn't too sick I would try and find the articles, but I am and I'm sleepy and my sleep is more important than Janelle. 

[teapot]

16 hours ago, shelley1234 said:

I'm fine with Barb wanting to make sure Jenelle knows about the fundraiser.  She said to David that Jace is selling things and people can order online....aka...she wants Jenelle to use her stupid social media presence for her son for once and post the link on there.  She said that Jace could do really well and win prizes if he sold a bunch.   

wait, Jenelle was supposed to do something that would *only* benefit JACE?  what is she, his mother or something??  sheesh!!!

[lezlers]

On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 7:50 PM, GreatKazu said:

Is it just me or does anyone else hear Lauryn Hill singing "Ready or Not" when they read this thread title?

WELL NOW I DO.   ;)

[ReadMeLattice]

2 hours ago, Calm81 said:

I know I'm not going to win the popular vote with what I'm about to say but...

Barb is really starting to tick me off. I know she put her life on hold to raise her grandson and I want to HUG her for that.

However, that scene about the fundraiser didn't have to go down like that and especially in front of Jace. If Jenelle was ignoring her text about the popcorn fundraiser what makes her think Jenelle will be willing to talk about it when she CLEARLY made everyone, including barb, well aware that she had no interest in talking to barb, hense the reason she had Dave bring Jace over to barb.

Then barb starts on the "I want to be dead" stuff infront of a 7 year old. I think she said that, so if I'm wrong I apologize.

Shes always trying to get Jace to see how Jenelle bullies her when Barb instigated that scene, and Jace gave Barb what she wanted, a hug basically saying "meme I know my mom is mean to you." It's not healthy and I don't like it.

If you know your daughter is a psycho and Jenelle made it CLEAR she didn't want to film anymore screnes with you then text her, message her about the fundraiser in private and if she ignored the messages move on. You know Jenelle sucks but you put Jace into another dramatic situation - the poor kid is going to develop panic disorder because of these two. 

Im not in the same "babs is so great" fan club because the lady can't talk without getting loud and defensive like her crazy daughter. I know she sacrificed a lot and is the BETTER ALTERNATIVE for Jace but barbs is a toxic person to have one jaces life to and it's sad she's getting a pass for her behavior because Jenelle is the worst of the two and how she rescued her grandson.

Barb needs to instill a healthy environment for Jace and fighting with his mother in front of him is NOT HEALTHY and she could handle herself better being a 60 year old grandmother.

Again, I have so much respect for her as a grandmother and for what she has sacrificed but I can't stand how she goes from 0 -60 in her mood and I see where Jenelle got it from.

Im sorry but that's how I feel. 

Now that fun popcorn fundraiser probably has been RUINED on Jace because he had to witness a nasty fight over it. If I were him I'd have said "Fuck the damn popcorn fundraiser you nut jobs just took all the fun out of it on me!!"

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100%. 

I love Barb for her sacrifices and what she's done and I want to take her on a long vacation. She's a hard worker. But if she's this mentally unstable-- enough to scream and carry on and have emotional fits in front of a child on a regular basis--at 60, I shudder to think what she was like at 18, or in her 20s or 30s. Probably just like Jenelle. Growing up in a house with constant fits and screaming like that helped to shape Jenelle. And now it's helping to shape Jace, who rarely has any damn peace. It makes me wonder if Jenelle ever had a calm, peaceful moment or period of time growing up. And if Barb did. Likely not ever-- everything was stress and anger and stress again. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Lm2162

[RamonaSenomar]

11 hours ago, smores said:

Barb gets all the credit in the world for doing the day to day work of raising Jace when she didn't choose to go out and get pregnant.  I'll never dispute that.  But, I also can't forget that she did help create Jenelle.  Her behaviors didn't happen in a vacuum, and Barb also knows that Jenelle is bipolar and unmedicated.  That doesn't mean that Barb can't ever talk to Jenelle about anything or has to revolve the world around her, or take whatever Jenelle dishes out, but at the same time, Barb does need to be aware of those things.  Barb is never careful to not fight with Jenelle in front of Jace.  Would it be something that would be unavoidable sometimes? Sure, but over popcorn?  Nope, she could have explained it to David, texted Jenelle, tried calling another day, or something.  Or, you know, just left it alone and figured while Jenelle SHOULD help, she won't, and it isn't really worth the fight.

Jenelle is not right in her behavior, and I am in no way excusing it.  All I'm saying is that Barb can control Barb, and she can do her best to protect Jace.  That kid needs someone to take the pressure off of him, and while both of the "moms" in his life should protect him, if Jenelle can't/won't, then Barb needs to stop barging forward with petty shit like the popcorn.

This.  A thousand-and-one times this. 

I applaud Barb for taking on the responsibility of mothering Jace when she damn well doesn't need to.  And I am not trying to defend Jenelle's behavior; we all know she ain't right in the head.  But Barb IS the adult between the two of them and, well, there are moments where I shake my head at Barb's behavior.  Not nearly as much as I shake my head over Jenelle's but Barb is just about right up there for me.  And you bet your ass that Jace WILL pick up that behavior too because this is what he witnesses between Meme and "Mom".

Recently, MTV showed something titled "Top Worst Moments", and one of the scenes was when Barb threw Jenelle out of the house, left all her clothing on the curb, mocked her about her "booooyyyyfriend!", etc.  I felt genuine hurt and sadness for Jenelle.  This was her own mother treating her this way.  If Jenelle never had THAT safe harbor, then where the hell DOES she have it?  With her odd choice of men. 

I'd forgotten just what an asshole Barb can be until I flashed back to that moment right with MTV.
 

[Uncle JUICE]

5 minutes ago, RamonaSenomar said:

Recently, MTV showed something titled "Top Worst Moments", and one of the scenes was when Barb threw Jenelle out of the house, left all her clothing on the curb, mocked her about her "booooyyyyfriend!", etc.  I felt genuine hurt and sadness for Jenelle.  This was her own mother treating her this way.  If Jenelle never had THAT safe harbor, then where the hell DOES she have it?  With her odd choice of men. 

I'd forgotten just what an asshole Barb can be until I flashed back to that moment right with MTV.
 

Wasn't this right after Jenelle had 'borrowed her credit cards' and went on an unannounced trip to NJ with a boyfriend who had a major crime and drug problem, though? I agree, her tone wasn't exactly right, but I don't think I could have racted much more rationally. It's not like Jenelle never had chances either, she lived with Barb at least twice in the run of this show, which means at least once, she was forced to return and Barb took her in. And I think she could have gone back again, but instead didn't want to leave Keiffer so she chose to sleep in her car. 

I guess my point is blood on both sides in that one. 

[ReadMeLattice]

21 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

Wasn't this right after Jenelle had 'borrowed her credit cards' and went on an unannounced trip to NJ with a boyfriend who had a major crime and drug problem, though? I agree, her tone wasn't exactly right, but I don't think I could have racted much more rationally. It's not like Jenelle never had chances either, she lived with Barb at least twice in the run of this show, which means at least once, she was forced to return and Barb took her in. And I think she could have gone back again, but instead didn't want to leave Keiffer so she chose to sleep in her car. 

I guess my point is blood on both sides in that one. 

I agree that the anger was justified...and honestly I'm not sure of the timeline so that may have been after the stealing or it may not have been. But she kept saying Jenelle was being abused and pushed into taking drugs. As far as I remember, the problem *at that time* was just that Jenelle had not left Kieffer. As a woman who did not leave her abusive spouse for a long time, and subjected three kids to that, Barb could have demonstrated some degree of caring or concern about a possible mental illness or a repetition of her own behaviors. Instead, she screamed "have fun living out on the street" (where she very much could have been sex trafficked) in Jenelle's face. Not exactly going to help someone if you really believe they're being manipulated. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Lm2162

[Miss Chevious]

When I see that "Ready or Not" episode title this song titled "Apples Peaches Pumpkin Pie" by Jay & the Techniques starts running through my mind. The first line is "Ready or Not, here I come." Gosh, I must be old.

[Uncle JUICE]

1 minute ago, Miss Chevious said:

When I see that "Ready or Not" episode title this song titled "Apples Peaches Pumpkin Pie" by Jay & the Techniques starts running through my mind. The first line is "Ready or Not, here I come." Gosh, I must be old.

Same first line in the song I went with, Fugees. Which might be 20+ years old now. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Uncle JUICE

[ReadMeLattice]

The problem with them has always seemed to be that they never discuss the actual issue at hand, just their relationship. Instead of "I'm worried about your attraction to toxic men, let's get you some therapy," Barb just screamed about her rules against Kieffer. Instead of "I want my son back because I love him, and I will work to show you I can be trusted," Jenelle screams about her own selfish needs. 

Also, weirdly, both of Barb's other kids have been arrested for physically attacking *her.* (Laughably/ironically, Jenelle has been the only one who hasn't). I don't know if that indicates just that Barb gets involved in a lot of conflicts or that they picked up the violence from their dad or Barb is everyone's punching bag or what. 

[RamonaSenomar]

21 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

Wasn't this right after Jenelle had 'borrowed her credit cards' and went on an unannounced trip to NJ with a boyfriend who had a major crime and drug problem, though? I agree, her tone wasn't exactly right, but I don't think I could have racted much more rationally. It's not like Jenelle never had chances either, she lived with Barb at least twice in the run of this show, which means at least once, she was forced to return and Barb took her in. And I think she could have gone back again, but instead didn't want to leave Keiffer so she chose to sleep in her car. 

I guess my point is blood on both sides in that one. 

I can't remember that far back because I can't keep track of MTV's tricky timelines.  So without them reminding me of scenes of the past, I honestly can't remember. 

And I don't know how I'd react if that was my own child.  I'd like to think that I would exhibit "tough love" in that situation because the more and longer I enable her, the more I'm giving her permission to keep f'king up because she knows I'll bail her out.  IMHO, that' what Barb is doing with Jenelle. 

My daughter is 8 and having trouble with math.  She excels in all other areas, except she's struggling in math.  Her math grades are declining as a result.  Will I find a tutor for her so she can learn how to empower herself and strengthen her skills?  Or will I yell at her about how stupid she is because she can't figure out how to add and subtract on a number line based on the sentences presented to her on her homework assignment?  It's about the choices I make as an adult, as a Mother, as a caregiver.  I don't know if Barb made those kinds of choices while Jenelle was a child.  Barb DOES deserve to be on a pedestal for having that "2nd chance" with Jace, because in doing so she's sort of giving Jace what she knows she didn't give to Jenelle.

But I agree that the whole thing reeks of dysfunction.  And I also agree to whomever said that both Barb and Jenelle get off on riling the other one up to the point of who can win the screaming match.  It's all hard to wrap my head around sometimes.

 

[Uncle JUICE]

18 minutes ago, RamonaSenomar said:

My daughter is 8 and having trouble with math.  She excels in all other areas, except she's struggling in math.  Her math grades are declining as a result.  Will I find a tutor for her so she can learn how to empower herself and strengthen her skills?  Or will I yell at her about how stupid she is because she can't figure out how to add and subtract on a number line based on the sentences presented to her on her homework assignment?  It's about the choices I make as an adult, as a Mother, as a caregiver.  
 

My son had a similar struggle, same age, and I must admit, after like forty five minutes, it was difficult NOT to yell about it, but I remembered what feels like a 5 hour session on ong division where I just DIDN'T GET IT, and my dad, who is otherwise a great dad and one of the best people I've ever met, was finally like "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?" That's probably not even how it actually happened, it was probably just frustration and a twenty minute time frame that FELT like five hours, but I absolutely remember it that way. Keeping stuff like that in mind is important when you have your chance with kids. 

And don't beat yourself up when you look at the way they teach mathematical concepts now and YOU don't get them. That happens to me all the time, it's so aggravating. Fuck you, number bonds. Fuck you more, 'guesstimating.' WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT OF MATH THEN?

Edited March 10, 2017 by Uncle JUICE

[shelley1234]

21 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I agree that the anger was justified...and honestly I'm not sure of the timeline so that may have been after the stealing or it may not have been. But she kept saying Jenelle was being abused and pushed into taking drugs. As far as I remember, the problem *at that time* was just that Jenelle had not left Kieffer. As a woman who did not leave her abusive spouse for a long time, and subjected three kids to that, Barb could have demonstrated some degree of caring or concern about a possible mental illness or a repetition of her own behaviors. Instead, she screamed "have fun living out on the street" (where she very much could have been sex trafficked) in Jenelle's face. Not exactly going to help someone if you really believe they're being manipulated. 

Kicking someone out who is abusing drugs and engaging in reckless behavior is also often called not enabling.   So, I'm not going to get in there and tell Barb that she did something wrong about that....or that her kicking her out could be responsible if Jenelle got involved in sex trafficking.   Barb should have kicked Jenelle out a long time ago in my world....and should have kept it that way.

[lovesnark]

2 minutes ago, shelley1234 said:

Kicking someone out who is abusing drugs and engaging in reckless behavior is also often called not enabling.   So, I'm not going to get in there and tell Barb that she did something wrong about that....or that her kicking her out could be responsible if Jenelle got involved in sex trafficking.   Barb should have kicked Jenelle out a long time ago in my world....and should have kept it that way.

I have been in Barb's position. Kicking our son out was the only thing we could do and we ALL said things we wish we could take back. But, after having everything that wasn't nailed down stolen, credit cards stolen, checks stolen, every low life junkie in the area showing up in the middle of the night, having dealers show up and threaten me because my son owed them money, the endless fights, you name it. He lived on the street for a year and it was like living in hell. Having your first waking thought every day be 'Is this the day I'll get the call telling me he's dead?' But, we had to do it to keep ourselves from going insane. Everything is good now but it was a period in my life that I wouldn't wish on anyone and I will never judge another for doing what you have to to protect yourself.

[GreatKazu]

6 hours ago, bounnatalie said:

Agree! It wasn't about needling Janelle on, it was about how she (Janelle) only wants Jace back, she doesn't want to CARE for Jace. I think Barb was trying to make a point. You can't just blow off things you don't want to deal with when you have a kid. (or, at least that's my parenting style!)

Yes. There is more to parenting than posting selfies with your kids. If Jenelle couldn't bother to do the bare minimum by responding to Barb's text messages, and she could not do the bare minimum of POSTING THE CONTEST LINK on her social media, how can she then claim to be a full-time parent to her son which we know requires a hell of a lot more work?

Ok, I guess this will be my last point on this topic. lol

Barb likely wanted to remind Jenelle again about the contest ON CAMERA because she would then have proof that she told Jenelle about it, knowing that Jenelle would later throw it in her face that she never got her text messages even though Jenelle mentioned ignoring her mother's texts. CYA - cover your ass! This is Jenelle after all and as @Uncle JUICE pointed out, Jenelle would lay out a big lie to Jace and tell him how Meme didn't give her the info about the contest.  It could also be more proof for Barb's custody case. Simply going by the fact Nipples was able to get the courts to intervene and stop UBT and Jenelle from bad-mouthing him on camera, I can see Barb using the footage of Jenelle refusing to do the bare minimum for her child as proof that her daughter is not stable and not capable of caring for Jace.

2 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

When I see that "Ready or Not" episode title this song titled "Apples Peaches Pumpkin Pie" by Jay & the Techniques starts running through my mind. The first line is "Ready or Not, here I come." Gosh, I must be old.

OMG I know that song. Now when I hear it on the 60s channel on Sirius, I am going to remember your post. lol

Edited March 10, 2017 by GreatKazu

[peskipiksi]

I have zero problem with Barb kicking Jenelle out for her transgressions...Barb's house, Barb's rules.  But there's a world of difference between (1) calmly but firmly stating, "You knew the rules, you violated them, you may no longer live here.  I've taken the liberty of packing your things, they're on the front porch," and  (2) Screaming "Have fun with ya booooyfrieeeend!" in the child's face while throwing their belongings on the front lawn.

Similarly, confronting Jenelle about the popcorn thing in front of Jace was not cool.

I'm on Barb's side...she's trying, she has a heart and god knows Jace needs her.   And I think most of this is that she just doesn't know any better.  But she needs therapy, and she needs to educate herself.  For Jace's sake if not her own.

[ReadMeLattice]

54 minutes ago, peskipiksi said:

I have zero problem with Barb kicking Jenelle out for her transgressions...Barb's house, Barb's rules.  But there's a world of difference between (1) calmly but firmly stating, "You knew the rules, you violated them, you may no longer live here.  I've taken the liberty of packing your things, they're on the front porch," and  (2) Screaming "Have fun with ya booooyfrieeeend!" in the child's face while throwing their belongings on the front lawn.

Similarly, confronting Jenelle about the popcorn thing in front of Jace was not cool.

I'm on Barb's side...she's trying, she has a heart and god knows Jace needs her.   And I think most of this is that she just doesn't know any better.  But she needs therapy, and she needs to educate herself.  For Jace's sake if not her own.

Yeah, kicking her out was not what I was referring to, and that behavior is not going to get anyone out of an abusive situation. The fact that Barb is usually right at the core of a situation doesn't mean she doesn't have deep-seated emotional instability and anger issues, probably stemming from a long time ago. She didn't start acting like that suddenly with Jenelle, that's a lifetime of poor conditioning. And she screams in front of Jace as much as Jenelle does, no way to justify that as much as I like her as a person and think she has an unfair load on her. I'll have lifelong anxiety issues from the constant screaming and rage in my home as a kid-- if you feel the need to do that it's not *only* because of another person, period, no matter how much they suck. Jace just shouldn't be subjected to that.

Edited March 10, 2017 by Lm2162

[Uncle JUICE]

2 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Yeah, kicking her out was not what I was referring to, and that behavior is not going to get anyone out of an abusive situation. The fact that Barb is usually right at the core of a situation doesn't mean she doesn't have deep-seated emotional instability and anger issues, probably stemming from a long time ago. She didn't start acting like that suddenly with Jenelle, that's a lifetime of poor conditioning. And she screams in front of Jace as much as Jenelle does, no way to justify that as much as I like her as a person and think she has an unfair load on her. I'll have lifelong anxiety issues from the constant screaming and rage in my home as a kid-- if you feel the need to do that it's not *only* because of another person, period. 

Just a slight defense of Barb here, but maybe we're lokoing at her screaming in front of Jace as disproportionate: the percentage of time she is together with Jenelle and Jace screaming is only a percentage of screen time. She has Jace for weeks on end without dealing with Jenelle, I hope she's not yelling like this at him directly during those weeks where they're not being filmed. 

[ReadMeLattice]

Just now, Uncle JUICE said:

Just a slight defense of Barb here, but maybe we're lokoing at her screaming in front of Jace as disproportionate: the percentage of time she is together with Jenelle and Jace screaming is only a percentage of screen time. She has Jace for weeks on end without dealing with Jenelle, I hope she's not yelling like this at him directly during those weeks where they're not being filmed. 

I don't know if she regularly screams *at* him. She's had cops called for multiple conflicts with both of her other kids, though, so I think it's safe to say this isn't an only-Jenelle situation and that these high-conflict situations are or have been frequent in Barb's life. I agree that their life together, just Barb and Jace, though, is likely calmer, and that's why I hope she gets full custody and Jenelle can't see him at all, frankly. But I watch those scenes where they're passing him back and forth screaming their lungs off and I just want to cry for him. 

[Uncle JUICE]

2 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I don't know if she regularly screams *at* him. She's had cops called for multiple conflicts with both of her other kids, though, so I think it's safe to say this isn't an only-Jenelle situation and that these high-conflict situations are or have been frequent in Barb's life. I agree that their life together, just Barb and Jace, though, is likely calmer, and that's why I hope she gets full custody and Jenelle can't see him at all, frankly. But I watch those scenes where they're passing him back and forth screaming their lungs off and I just want to cry for him. 

I literally DID cry for him, last week. It's so awful to watch. And not for one second do I think that when it's at Barb's and there's no cameras, everything's all cherries and flowers. It's just that there's one fewer catalyst. 

[ReadMeLattice]

2 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

I literally DID cry for him, last week. It's so awful to watch. And not for one second do I think that when it's at Barb's and there's no cameras, everything's all cherries and flowers. It's just that there's one fewer catalyst. 

Yeah, I watched a clip from when he was little and they were literally passing him back and forth and one of them (can't remember who) screamed, "you're screaming in his ear!" while screaming in his ear, so the other one screamed louder. He just looked up at them with wide open baby eyes like, "why is this so loud?" He was clearly scared. It was horrible. And he seems like such a sweet, sensitive kid. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Lm2162

[GreatKazu]

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I agree that their life together, just Barb and Jace, though, is likely calmer, and that's why I hope she gets full custody and Jenelle can't see him at all, frankly. But I watch those scenes where they're passing him back and forth screaming their lungs off and I just want to cry for him. 

I don't know why it hasn't been done sooner, but this situation requires what has been done in similar situations - a safe drop off at a police station lobby or have someone else be a middle-man during the drop offs with no contact with either party.

As it is, Barb is in control of the situation as far as visitation is concerned. There is no set visitation schedule for her to have to follow. She is his guardian and she is at the helm of all of this. I know for Barb it is about wanting to have that "family" relationship with Jenelle, as toxic as it is. I think Barb is truly scared for Jenelle and she is watching it unfold just like we are. Many of us have expressed our thoughts at Jenelle being on the next Dateline murder mystery. Surely Barb has the same feeling. It is worse for her because that is her child, and she has more interactions with Jenelle than what is shown on this show.

[jacksgirl]

Hi all. Late to the party. Just finished the episode and read all 7 pages. Don't want to get into the Barb-Jennelle debacle,  but.... Right before Jenelle went ape shit on Barb about Jace's pick up, you see Jace eating pizza and drinking some red drink. Looking at Jace's plate, he has taken off the pepperoni from his pizza. All I can think is either Jenelle or Uncle Bad Touch don't know he doesn't like pepperoni or, worse, they don't care and can't bother to order him plain cheese. Bet Barb does. 

[ghoulina]

9 hours ago, bounnatalie said:

Agree! It wasn't about needling Janelle on, it was about how she (Janelle) only wants Jace back, she doesn't want to CARE for Jace. I think Barb was trying to make a point. You can't just blow off things you don't want to deal with when you have a kid. (or, at least that's my parenting style!)

And for the past few years, Jenelle has been making all these vague accusations - about how things are bad between them because of BARB. She makes things impossible. You don't see the shit she does. Blah, blah, blah. So I'm sure sometimes Barb wants to make it crystal clear that JENELLE is the impossible one to deal with. Can't even hear about a fucking popcorn fundraiser. Barb definitely could have waited until later, but sometimes showcasing these things on camera is all she has and she might act before she thinks. She's not perfect, but I do think she tries a hell of a lot harder than Jenelle does. 

[teapot]

13 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

She's not perfect, but I do think she tries a hell of a lot harder than Jenelle does. 

I think that ALL OF US HERE think of Jace a hell of a lot more than Jenelle does!

[lidarose9]

One big difference: where Jenelle can *never* admit any wrongdoing or failures, I have never heard Barb blame someone else for her problems. I think she knows she brought up her kids in a dysfunctional home and feels truly shitty about it now, and that's one reason why she can't walk away from Jenelle. Jenelle screams at Barb cuz that is what she learned as a child. Barb is tragically accustomed to being yelled at, and all her life she has forced herself to just keep on doing what needs to be done, in spite of the yelling and name-calling and tantrums. That's what a mother does.

If I remember right, in the early days of the show Barb was much more prone to yelling back, but I actually think she has learned and changed. She's not perfect, but she does remain calm sometimes. She does walk away without having to get the last word sometimes. Possibly cuz of the show's cameras -- maybe it helped to see herself and realize how much she and Jenelle fed off one another. 

I think Barb is now a much better mother to Jace, which is one of the things that infuriates Jenelle beyond words. I see a ton of jealousy with Jenelle. Inside she is seething when she sees Barb protecting Jace, providing for him, caring for him -- "why did you never do that for me?" There is no question in my mind that most of what Jenelle does is motivated by the need to punish her mother. And Barb knows that too. There is no telling what would happen if Barb marched over to Jenelle and hugged her tight and kissed her and said, "You're right, Jenelle, I was a terrible mother. I'm sorry I failed you. I'm sorry for all the years you felt neglected and ignored. I didn't know any better. I'm trying to be better now." Jenelle's head might explode. 

[FairyDusted]

I think so too! My nephew, a grown man came to live with me. ONE rule.....No speed or H! ever in my home. I paid all his bills including house arrest and child support. He went on a bender smoking Ice. I guess its like Meth. this went on for two weeks. He became combative and paranoid. He cut off the cable because people were watching him.Mind you his parents live nearby yet they didn't do anything. When he stated he wanted to kill me I tossed him out and called the county saying he is now responsible. My whole family was icing me out and calling my husband at work saying I was the one on drugs.     

[MissMel]

No good deed goes unpunished...

[BitterApple]

2 hours ago, jacksgirl said:

 Looking at Jace's plate, he has taken off the pepperoni from his pizza. All I can think is either Jenelle or Uncle Bad Touch don't know he doesn't like pepperoni or, worse, they don't care and can't bother to order him plain cheese. Bet Barb does. 

That's sad considering Dave came in with two pizzas. They could have ordered half of one with just cheese for the kids and still had plenty left over with toppings for the adults. I think you're right on both counts. They can't be bothered to know what Jace likes and if they did they wouldn't care anyways. It's all about them.

[ReadMeLattice]

@lidarose9 that's a good point about the family dynamic, hadn't thought of that much. Jenelle had Jace young and now sees tenderness and calm in his life that she wasn't shown and that now it's too late for her to have from a parent. From what I understand it's actually pretty common for grandparents who wind up raising their grandkids to try to be better with them than they were with their kids, who they usually raised dysfunctionally in order for them to get to the point of not raising their own children, out of guilt. That's definitely a complicated family situation. 

[shelley1234]

Let's not forget when Barb called Jenelle and asked him to take Jace on a Scout weekend or something or other.  Barb couldn't bring him because she was doing something with her other daughter.  Jenelle sat on the stairs and cried and whined about how Barb was doing this for her sister and why didn't she ever show her love growing up and now.  Kaiser sat there on the step and tried to comfort her.  

Jenelle's jealousy of any attention that Barb gives to someone else is staggering whether it be a sibling or Jace.  Does that stem from her not getting the attention and being raised in a dysfunctional household?  Probably.  It is what it is.  Jenelle will always see whatever Barb does as an attack.....no matter what she does.   She can't win for losing.  

[lezlers]

10 hours ago, Calm81 said:

I know I'm not going to win the popular vote with what I'm about to say but...

Barb is really starting to tick me off. I know she put her life on hold to raise her grandson and I want to HUG her for that.

However, that scene about the fundraiser didn't have to go down like that and especially in front of Jace. If Jenelle was ignoring her text about the popcorn fundraiser what makes her think Jenelle will be willing to talk about it when she CLEARLY made everyone, including barb, well aware that she had no interest in talking to barb, hense the reason she had Dave bring Jace over to barb.

Then barb starts on the "I want to be dead" stuff infront of a 7 year old. I think she said that, so if I'm wrong I apologize.

Shes always trying to get Jace to see how Jenelle bullies her when Barb instigated that scene, and Jace gave Barb what she wanted, a hug basically saying "meme I know my mom is mean to you." It's not healthy and I don't like it.

If you know your daughter is a psycho and Jenelle made it CLEAR she didn't want to film anymore screnes with you then text her, message her about the fundraiser in private and if she ignored the messages move on. You know Jenelle sucks but you put Jace into another dramatic situation - the poor kid is going to develop panic disorder because of these two. 

Im not in the same "babs is so great" fan club because the lady can't talk without getting loud and defensive like her crazy daughter. I know she sacrificed a lot and is the BETTER ALTERNATIVE for Jace but barbs is a toxic person to have one jaces life to and it's sad she's getting a pass for her behavior because Jenelle is the worst of the two and how she rescued her grandson.

Barb needs to instill a healthy environment for Jace and fighting with his mother in front of him is NOT HEALTHY and she could handle herself better being a 60 year old grandmother.

Again, I have so much respect for her as a grandmother and for what she has sacrificed but I can't stand how she goes from 0 -60 in her mood and I see where Jenelle got it from.

Im sorry but that's how I feel. 

Now that fun popcorn fundraiser probably has been RUINED on Jace because he had to witness a nasty fight over it. If I were him I'd have said "Fuck the damn popcorn fundraiser you nut jobs just took all the fun out of it on me!!"

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Dude, I couldn't agree more.  I'm careful about how much I criticize her on here because people dive to her defense but yes, she's got her own problems.  She was clearly instigating an altercation with Jenelle at the child exchange in front of Jace which is emotionally abusive as well.  I mean, the woman had a smile on her face as she was walking towards Jenelle exclaiming "I just want to tell her about the popcorn!"  She knew what she was doing.  And lord knows she shit talks Jenelle (true or not, it doesn't matter) to Jace all of the time when the cameras aren't there.  When she was going on and on about being a victim in front of Jace, my first thought was "gee, I wonder where Jenelle gets her 'why is everyone so mean to me!!!!!!' behavior from." I wonder how much of Jace's hesitance to be with Jenelle comes from the things Barb tells him, as opposed to what he experiences at her house.  Barb and Jenelle have a horribly co-dependent and volatile relationship that they are BOTH responsible for.   The only loser in the situation is Jace.

Edited March 10, 2017 by lezlers