S06.E05: Gummies

[tennisgurl]

You know, the more we see of Hannah's parents, the more I think I "get" Hannah. I feel bad for Loreen, and I get why its so hard to go back to being single after thinking you would be married forever, but her reaction to Hannah having a baby was so self centered, it almost seemed like a classic Hannah move.  Way to tell your daughter that her unborn child will just remind you of your upcoming death. Maybe don't bring that up at the baby shower. This season, Hannah has actually had it relatively together, its kind of weird. Nice, but weird.

Wow, watching Jessa getting a reality check about Adam/Hannah was just so very sweet. She pictured Hannah as the Paulo* of this story, but really she might be.

*Always time for a Friends reference*

[heavysnaxx]

18 minutes ago, taanja said:

And the character of Lorraine is finding herself to be alone for the first time in her adult life. She doesn't know what to do with that. Her generation was led to believe that when you get married-- it was for life. Period. 

YMMV but I think that makes Laureen sound like she's a child of the 50s and 60s -she and I are about the same age and we were growing up just when divorce hit the big time (esp in white, middle-class circles like Laureen's). Hannah was born around 1990, not 1970. A lot of us lived through our own parents' divorces in the 70s or 80s. When I watch Laureen, I imagine she didn't think "marriage" was forever, she thought her own particular relationship was strong enough to withstand other people's marital strains. 

[luna1122]

34 minutes ago, taanja said:

I don't believe Hanna's mother is supposed to represent ALL woman of a certain age-- just that character specifically..

You know, you're right, and I lazily oversimplified, like I also did about Hannah's becoming pregnant somehow being representative of all young women. They're just characters, and this is what has happened to them, or what the writers decided to make happen to them, and it's my own personal biases that I'm reacting to. Kids bore me, never wanted any, kind of hate it when main characters on shows I like have them, and get sick of it happening so much (Molly Dodd, Rachel, Miranda, Jamie, etc) even tho of course, more women than don't have babies. Not an indictment on the deliberately baby-less. And Loreen isn't representative of all divorced women. I just don't like her, either way, or her pathetic bitterness.

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I wonder if Jessa will portray herself in Adam and Jessa's film.  If not, I can't wait to see whom they will cast. 

Maybe her sister. 

I would seriously love that.

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Yea thats nice.  I don't either and I'm no crazy thank you.

It was a joke, not meant to be taken seriously. Figured that was clear, if not, mea culpa.

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Did we ever see that spanking scene between Hannah and Adam on the series?

I wondered that too. I have binged watched this show after not having HBO for years, but still missed the first couple episodes. The Hannah-actress-doppelganger looked so much like Lena, at first glance, that I was sure we were seeing a flashback at first. My honey also thought it was her. So I'm not really clear on if this happened as Adam has written or if not. And that chick's bottom was RED, so it looks like Driver really was whapping her good. Lucky girl. (also meant, sort of, in jest.)

[EdnasEdibles]

4 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Is this a "message" or is it a realistic view of a character who was married for 30 years to a man she recently found is gay.  The implications of that can be quite unsettling.  I'm sure the questions "How could I not have known?", "Did he ever love me?", "Was I just a beard?", "Is my whole life fictitious?", are just some of the questions going through Laureen's head.  And that would be bad enough, but to add that the ex-husband already has a partner and moved on, and is finally happy and living his truth must kill.  Having a self-involved daughter surely doesn't help.  Laureen probably married her husband while she was in college or shortly after college.  An empty house can be sad.  It's likely she has never lived alone.  Everybody's moving on; the ex, Hannah's pregnant, the only one in stasis is Laureen.  In my view, she's not angry enough!

Off topic and totally shallow, but Shosh looked darling in that dress!
 

I agree with this. Also, one thing I love about this show is that the characters are very true to their personalities. From what we know of Loreen, this is not surprising. We know that she has not been happy in this marriage for a long time because we know she had an affair previously - that might have been sexually exciting for her and companionship in some way - but not enough for her to end her marriage and leave her husband. We also know that her husband bothered her. Her speech to Hannah in the hospital about marrying a weird man was evidence of that. So she was maybe not happy but comfortable. She had the husband, she had the tenure position. Life was comfortable for her and she knew what to expect. Now she is older and doesn't have this partner. She looks ahead and doesn't see anything to look forward to - just aging. 

So knowing what we know of Loreen, this makes sense.

[sugarbaker design]

11 minutes ago, luna1122 said:

And that chick's bottom was RED, so it looks like Driver really was whapping her good. Lucky girl. (also meant, sort of, in jest.)

Or the red bottom was just makeup.

[luna1122]

1 minute ago, sugarbaker design said:

Or the red bottom was just makeup.

That's some attention to detail there, if so. Impressive.

Edited March 13, 2017 by luna1122

[guilfoyleatpp]

51 minutes ago, heavysnaxx said:

YMMV but I think that makes Laureen sound like she's a child of the 50s and 60s -she and I are about the same age and we were growing up just when divorce hit the big time (esp in white, middle-class circles like Laureen's). Hannah was born around 1990, not 1970. A lot of us lived through our own parents' divorces in the 70s or 80s. When I watch Laureen, I imagine she didn't think "marriage" was forever, she thought her own particular relationship was strong enough to withstand other people's marital strains. 

I co-sign this! I was reminded so much of my own parents (who are now in their early 70s). For a while in the mid 1980s, when I was in high school, my parents were the only one in my group of friends who were still married.  It was quite the thing. 

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Art Imitates Life On Girls

While Adam tries to direct fictional versions of scenes from his life, Hannah loses control over scenes from hers.

[Kbilly]

I don't think we ever saw the spanking scene but didn't Hannah write a story about something kinda similar during her two seconds at Iowa? About being hit or am I dreaming?

Marnie saying she had to leave for "Quiet Pilates" made me laugh.  I actually googled Physique 57--it's real. 

I kind of loved the things Hermie had on tape. I liked the insightful interview that Ray was listening to at the end, about happiness.

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Elijah is a bitter little bitch too, but Andrew Rannells is magic. His face just after he says that terrible thing to Hannah, and then she begins to cry: he briefly crumbles, knowing he's said something unforgivable and he's sad he's made her cry, but only for a second, before he's back to cold, narcissitic bitch. He's so good.

YES. His comment was so cruel and biting that it even made him cry. That was such a great scene.

[Winston Wolfe]

3 hours ago, cpcathy said:

Hannah's mother's name is Lorene. Or am I missing something in this question? They were yelling her name in the street.

Yes, her name is Lorene.  What I meant was that there was a similarly hilarious scene in "As Good As it Gets."  And another one in "Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist."  The scene of which you speak could be a homage to one of those movies.

[politichick]

3 hours ago, taanja said:

I don't believe Hanna's mother is supposed to represent ALL woman of a certain age-- just that character specifically. And the character of Lorraine is finding herself to be alone for the first time in her adult life. She doesn't know what to do with that. Her generation was led to believe that when you get married-- it was for life. Period. So suddenly finding out that your husband of 30+ years is gay-- and he leaves you for another man is devastating to her. Almost like a death. I thought she portrayed it very well. I believed her bitterness and loneliness and pain. and it was funny! the way she was eating the gummies like regular candy! Cuz yeah! The effect takes a bit to kick in. Haha! I was like-- you're going to feel that honey-- just give it time!

I love Marnie. I loved that she can't even make it 40 minutes listening to Ray (yawn) go on and on about a person Marnie has never even liked! haha! She has NO interest in going through some dead dudes crap. Marnie doesn't like Ray. Marnie only likes Marnie. Never change girl! be true to your narcissistic self.

The movie that Adam and Jessa are making looks like they got the material directly from Hanna's writing. The actress they got to play the "hanna" role was amazing! Haha! I kept having to do double-takes.

Elijah is kind of an entitled little prick. He's funny for the most part -- but telling Hanna that she will be a terrible mother kind of crossed a line.

Hello everyone: Hannah's mother's name is Loreen, not Lorraine. Also, her generation was not led to believe that if you got married it was for life. They grew up during the sexual revolution when nice girls did [get on the pill, burn their bras and have sex whenever they wanted and with whomever they wished]. And plenty of them have experienced divorce. That said, I do believe that when the character got married she believed it was for life and to learn at this age that your husband [with whom she said the sex was good] has been living a charade and is gay and leaving you is a monumental shock that is going to take some time to get used to. 

The actress playing Hanna was wonderful. At first because we couldn't see her face I wondered if it was Lena playing a trick on us.

[acid burn]

4 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Every time she sees her grandchild she will see death?  Nice. That's a great thing to say to your daughter when she's expecting her first child. Alone.  Part of me really wants to empathize with Loreen and her difficulty in accepting her new life.  All that shit about older women being invisible is real. She has suffered greatly...and not quietly. It's not her job to shut up about it, but it does make me wish she was the type of person who would speak to her therapist about it instead of lashing out at her child.

It was really hard for me to watch Loreen's rant/meltdown because of her telling Hannah she would see death every time she looked at her grandchild. When I got married, my mother had no interest in helping me plan any part of the wedding, look for dresses, or help throw me a shower (my mother-in-law did all those things, bless her). Come to find out, my mom resented me for getting married because I made her feel old and realize she is mortal. Plus, I think she was pissed there was a day that wasn't All About Her. To this day, Mom still bitches that my husband and I had a first dance but she and my dad weren't called up for a spotlight dance (?) So that part of Loreen's portrayal was raw and spot-on for me. 

Damn you, Lena Dunham, for making me relate to Hannah. But well done, I guess.

Edited March 13, 2017 by acid burn

[Clare]

I'm not sure if I think Hannah is ready for a child but she shown some growth this season for sure.  I'm so happy that she doesn't seem concerned with anything that Jessa and Adam are up to. Last year she would have been absorbed in so much self pity about them.  She also seems to be working regularly and we've seen her take jobs that she's not really interested in.  A couple of years ago she would have quit before writing something that she wasn't interested in. 

I thought Elijah was really out of line.  I thought that was about and nothing to do with Hannah.

I know we likely won't but I hope we get a Riz Ahmed scene.  Hope Hannah tracks him down and at least tells him what's going on.  Just because I want him on my TV.

[dmc]

4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Did we ever see that spanking scene between Hannah and Adam on the series?

I don't remember any 

[CofCinci]

49 minutes ago, Clare said:

I'm not sure if I think Hannah is ready for a child but she shown some growth this season for sure.  I'm so happy that she doesn't seem concerned with anything that Jessa and Adam are up to. Last year she would have been absorbed in so much self pity about them.  She also seems to be working regularly and we've seen her take jobs that she's not really interested in.  A couple of years ago she would have quit before writing something that she wasn't interested in. 

I thought Elijah was really out of line.  I thought that was about and nothing to do with Hannah.

I know we likely won't but I hope we get a Riz Ahmed scene.  Hope Hannah tracks him down and at least tells him what's going on.  Just because I want him on my TV.

Spoiler

We will see Riz again.

[stagmania]

Surprised to see so many people thinking this is leading to a Hannah/Adam reunion; that's not what I took from it at all. The show seems well and truly done with that relationship, aside from referencing it as a significant part of their pasts and something that haunts Jessa. It makes total sense to me that Jessa rewrote their history in her head. Being a loyal friend to Hannah was pretty much her only redeeming moral characteristic and she betrayed that to be with Adam. Of course she's going to minimize what Adam and Hannah had and blow up her relationship with him into some profound passion. If anything, I think this could be leading to some friendship redemption and forgiveness between Jessa and Hannah.

I don't really care one way or the other how Hannah and Adam end up. For me the true OTP of this show is Ray and Shosh, whether romantically or otherwise. I'm so glad he finally rid himself of Marnie. 

That scene between Elijah and Hannah was so well done. Just gutting in exactly the right way, and so true to his character. This is shaping up to be a great final season.

[tennisgurl]

Also, if Ray was my friend in real life, I would be subtlety sending him links to dating sites and mixers on a weekly basis. Marnie is all about Marnie. If she could clone herself, she would date the clone. I wont say she's The Worst (because Jessa is The Worst), but she does suck pretty hard. I mean, she really couldn't just be with her boyfriend for like three minutes when his friend just died? Come on girl.

Elijah is a petty asshole, but he cracks me up. "Now Ray can finally put in that socialist library" "She's an ashtray person" "His nieces are HIDEOUS! I saw them on Facebook, and they're HIDEOUS!" Also, Hannah apparently sees her mom as a rocker chick type? Oh Hannah.

[TVbitch]

I adore Ray, but I can't feel too sorry for him re: Marnie. I have a lot of "nice guy" friends myself, and most of them (much to my eternal frustration) will pass right by high quality "nice girls" that would really care for them and go straight for the girls that will make them miserable ...so long as that girl is prettier. I don't think Ray would have gotten all moony over Marnie if she wasn't hot. I know it's a man thing, and often a woman thing too, but, I wish it wasn't. Props to Ray for coming to his senses.    

[Eyes High]

27 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

I adore Ray, but I can't feel too sorry for him re: Marnie. I have a lot of "nice guy" friends myself, and most of them (much to my eternal frustration) will pass right by high quality "nice girls" that would really care for them and go straight for the girls that will make them miserable ...so long as that girl is prettier. I don't think Ray would have gotten all moony over Marnie if she wasn't hot.

Agreed. I don't think Marnie has ever held herself out to Ray as kinder or more caring than she actually is. It's not as if he was tricked into a relationship with a woman who suddenly and unexpectedly showed herself to be narcissistic. He knew exactly whom he was dealing with, and he chose Marnie anyway. It's hard to feel much sympathy for him.

1 hour ago, stagmania said:

For me the true OTP of this show is Ray and Shosh, whether romantically or otherwise. 

 Yes! It was very sweet when Shosh told Ray she had decided never to die, or however she put it.

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That scene between Elijah and Hannah was so well done. Just gutting in exactly the right way, and so true to his character.

Agreed. Lena Dunham on the Inside the Episode segment talked about how Hannah had always been Elijah's co-conspirator and his partner in crime, and how he felt left behind by the changes in Hannah's life. The fight was very well-written.

Edited March 14, 2017 by Eyes High

[scrb]

Seems like most people are positive on this season.

Opinion here was like 180 degrees the other way last year.

I don't think there will be an Adam/Hannah reunion.  He tried to get her back and she refused, then lived with Fran for awhile and then dumped him.

[luna1122]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Also, Hannah apparently sees her mom as a rocker chick type? Oh Hannah.

That made me laugh too. If anyone has ever looked less like a rocker chick and more like a born grandma (tho she doesn't act like one), it's Loreen.

54 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

I adore Ray, but I can't feel too sorry for him re: Marnie. I have a lot of "nice guy" friends myself, and most of them (much to my eternal frustration) will pass right by high quality "nice girls" that would really care for them and go straight for the girls that will make them miserable ...so long as that girl is prettier. I don't think Ray would have gotten all moony over Marnie if she wasn't hot. I know it's a man thing, and often a woman thing too, but, I wish it wasn't. Props to Ray for coming to his senses.    

I'm glad he came to his senses as well, and hope it sticks, but yeah, I have no sympathy for him when it comes to Marnie. He's the nerd who just wanted the beautiful girlfriend, even when she's an asshole, JUST because she was beautiful.

I am one who sees the Adam/Hannah being endgame thing coming ,but I don't want it, so I hope those of you who do not see it are correct. Maybe Lena will have Hannah get the ultimate 'revenge': Adam will realize he still loves her, will dump Jessa and crawl back to Hannah...only to be told nope, she's not interested, and oh yeah, she's pregnant with a hot surfer guy's baby.

[tennisgurl]

I think Ray was blinded by Marnie's beauty and seeming class, and he put her on a pedestal her as this amazing Dream Girl who he was so lucky to be with, not noticing that she was an asshole. I feel bad that she cheated in him, because he doesn't deserve that, but...yeah your probably right. He knows Marnie, and knows how she is, this cant be a surprise. I really hope he has finally come to his sense. I would really like him and Shosh to have a conversation about why he actually likes Marnie, besides her looks.

[scrb]

Hannah didn't take Adam back after Mimi Rose.

Since then, he's been with Jessa, which is another level of betrayal.

It would be a bad sign if she took him back after these events.  It would be saying she needs a man, even someone who's hurt her, to take care of her and baby.

You wouldn't think Lena would be about such a conventional, anti-feminist ending.

[TVbitch]

That's the only reason any of this is dismaying to me. I mean, I watch General Hospital for fucks sake, so I can take a soap opera. But this show was suppose to be more about feminism and written by a feminist, so if it ends up with Hannah needing to get pregnant to grow up and get it together and then getting back together with her "prince" ...da fuck?! 

[WhosThatGirl]

I'll stand alone by myself in stating that I'm not really a fan of how this season is going. But hey I'll be alone by myself. 

[AmandaPanda]

I'm kind of loving Hannah's pregnancy storyline. With all the unprotected sex on this show throughout the seasons, it's perfectly reasonable that one of the four would end the series with a baby. As someone who is currently Hannah's age, I feel like I would be handling a pregnancy somewhat similar to her. Granted I'm a little more established in my life and have been married for two years, but emotionally, I relate to her a lot right now.

I think so much of this season is focused on the huge moments in life that force people to grow up whether they're ready for it or not. For Hannah, it's her pregnancy. For Marnie, it's her failed marriage. Shoshanna has her career. Jesse has her relationship with Adam. Ray has Hermie's death. Elijah's will likely be related to Hannah's pregnancy. Adam has his acting career. I'm really excited to see how the rest of this season goes.

[sharz]

I'm surprised that no one has suspected that Hannah will change her mind and have an abortion after all. I think that is how Lena et al will end this story line - it might tie into Lena's recent comment that she had wished she had had an abortion  so that she could normalize it as an occurrence in women's lives, and so that she could by extension reduce the stigmatization of women who have had an abortion.

As far as her mother goes - I get her position. Losing the companionship of a partner after 30+ years must be very difficult. Much like the experience of a widow/er.  And I don't blame her one bit for doubting that she'll find love at her age. What are those dismal stats that have been blared out at us and which speak to the minimal likelihood of a woman getting married after the age of 30? What's a woman who has to be pushing 60 to think?

And as for her comments and generally crappy attitude, I noticed she became more loose lipped with every gummy. I think she may have been more careful while uttering her truths had she not felt so uninhibited. 

Edited March 14, 2017 by sharz

[Aulty]

Oh Hannah, you will never be a Lorelai Gilmore.

PS: Will Shoshanna get an actual storyline his season?

Because someone asked about the surf instructor:

Spoiler

From the episode description of 6x7 'The Bounce': ... Hannah reconnects with Paul-Louis.

and judging from pictures floating around the net, Hannah will keep the baby.

Edited March 14, 2017 by Aulty

[SlackerInc]

15 hours ago, heavysnaxx said:

YMMV but I think that makes Laureen sound like she's a child of the 50s and 60s -she and I are about the same age and we were growing up just when divorce hit the big time (esp in white, middle-class circles like Laureen's). Hannah was born around 1990, not 1970. A lot of us lived through our own parents' divorces in the 70s or 80s. When I watch Laureen, I imagine she didn't think "marriage" was forever, she thought her own particular relationship was strong enough to withstand other people's marital strains. 

Yes, exactly.  This point is magnified by the fact that she is a college professor.  Liberalized social norms tend to come to academia before they percolate through the rest of society.

9 hours ago, scrb said:

Seems like most people are positive on this season.

Opinion here was like 180 degrees the other way last year.

Not for me.  I loved last season.

[Pallas]

18 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Does anyone remember a few seasons ago Hannah had a book deal but then the guy died and for some reason her book was locked in limbo for X amount of years?  Maybe the time is up and the book becomes a success to where she can now afford to have a baby in NYC. 

Yes. With the editor dead, the publisher decided to not to publish, but retained all rights. For 3 - 5 years, as I recall: what even then seemed like a placeholder for, "until the final season." In fact, back then, Hannah had her best material still in front of her. Best friend/boyfriend betrayal. Gay dad. False-started careers. Starter marriages. And now, the crux of pregnancy and probably, boho Brooklyn motherhood.

[TattleTeeny]

On 3/13/2017 at 10:23 AM, Winston Wolfe said:

Maybe the scene in "As Good as It Gets" when Melvin (Jack Nicholson) chases Carol (Helen Hunt) down the street?  Seems like that flick would be one of Lena's favorites.

Hahhahahaaaa: "Shut UP, kids!"

 

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Marnie has always been kind of horrible, but I could relate to her in that scene, because at times I've also been in situations where I was also inconvenienced by having to be a supportive friend to someone. It can be really difficult to deal with those types of situations and not everyone has the patience for them and if death is involved, it's a different thing altogether. Though if she truly cared about Ray, she would have just sucked it up and been there for him, but she's only "dating" him, because she thinks that he is a nice guy and that he will treat her better than the shitty boyfriends that she had in the past and not because she really appreciates him for who he is. Meanwhile, Shosh does really care about him and if there is any endgame couple on this show, I hope for it to be Ray and Shosh.

Ugh, I think Marnie is the worst. I have had Marnies and Hannahs in my in my life--the Hannahs are far better despite their issues. Anyway, that scene reminded me of one of my friends (neither a Hannah, and especially not a Marnie), who had broken up with her BF of a couple years, another good friend of mine. Sad, but for legit reasons. Anyway, within only a day or two, his mom died suddenly in her sleep (it was crazy; we still don't know why!), and she (my friend) seamlessly stepped right back into GF role for him even though she knew that the breakup was ultimately the best thing in the long run. But for that time being, she was there at his place--sleeping there, helping, making calls and arrangements--exactly like she would have been if the breakup hadn't happened (and who knows: with his mom's sudden passing, it's possible that he hadn't yet even processed that he was officially single). I'm no therapist so I don't know if that was the correct thing for her to do for him, but it helped him, so IMO, it was the right thing to do.

Meanwhile, that Marnie...ugh. And I'll be shallow for a moment: Marnie is just OK-looking to me. Definitely not a girl whose rotten behavior is "justified" by exceptional looks. 

 

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The Hannah-actress-doppelganger looked so much like Lena

I actually thought her face looked a lot like Jessa's around the mouth. They both have a frog-face (which I swear to Jeebus is not meant as an insult; I have a habit of equating people's features to animals--though I know not to say it to most people, haha!).

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[SlackerInc]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

Meanwhile, that Marnie...ugh. And I'll be shallow for a moment: Marnie is just OK-looking to me. Definitely not a girl whose rotten behavior is "justified" by exceptional looks.

I was thinking the same when she was talking about her fitness classes: maybe she works out too much?  She kind of has a hard jawline that isn't becoming.  I remember finding her prettier in the first season.

[luna1122]

I think Allison Williams is exceptionally pretty, tho too skinny. She looks a lot like Amanda Peet; both have that strong jaw and steely gaze, they should really play mom & daughter or aunt or sisters or something. No girl (or guy) has looks exceptional enough to justify asshole behavior (tho it happens all the time) but I'd think Jessa is more the kind of girl whose looks n demeanor would make a guy lose his wits for awhile. (and I usually think brunettes and redheads are more attractive than blondes, just in general, but Jessa/Jemima's boho sexy messy chic thing is very very pretty to me). She also seems like she'd be much more fun in bed, tho, you know, knifeplay would probably eventually be involved or something.

People as animals: Elijah has a foxy face. An extremely adorable foxy face.

I think Marnie is the worst, too.

 

Wow, this post is shallow.

Edited March 14, 2017 by luna1122

[SlackerInc]

Jemima is definitely super gorgeous.  Her sister is not half bad either: some super attractive genes in that family.

[stagmania]

1 hour ago, SlackerInc said:

I was thinking the same when she was talking about her fitness classes: maybe she works out too much?  She kind of has a hard jawline that isn't becoming.  I remember finding her prettier in the first season.

I actually just started a rewatch and the difference in Marnie is the most startling, looks-wise. She was always thin but she looked more normal person thin with a full face in s1. Now she looks 0% body fat actress thin. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On 3/9/2017 at 8:04 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Care to share? I hope that it will be a not-so-daunting transition and that it will turn out to be  a more pleasant phase than you anticipate. Hugs.

I meant that I had a hard time accepting that the character Hannah is pregnant. (I wasn't referencing my own personal/family life. Sorry that wasn't clear.)

[TattleTeeny]

I find Jessa to be average at best too! All four chicks are at the same level in my (just as average-looking) head, though Marnie's weight looks fine to me. Style-wise, though, I prefer Jessa over the rest; I think that I'd like Hannah's if she were successfully doing what I think she thinks she's doing?

Also, I don't actually think looks justify bad behavior (that's why I used quotation marks); I just feel like I can sometimes begin to understand what might make a person--male or female--throw off an assholey, entitled air if they somehow believe themselves to be better than the rest due to looks (or due to other people confirming this for them). Of course, to think that way, one would probably be an asshole regardless of looks. But while we're being shallow, I'll add that it makes me extra annoyed when this attitude accompanies a person who isn't even that good-looking! The nerve!

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[luna1122]

4 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

I find Jessa to be average at best too! All four chicks are at the same level in my (just as average-looking) head, though Marnie's weight looks fine to me. Style-wise, though, I prefer Jessa over the rest; I think that I'd like Hannah's if she were successfully doing what I think she thinks she's doing?

Also, I don't actually think looks justify bad behavior (that's why I used quotation marks); I just feel like I can sometimes begin to understand what might make a person--male or female--throw off an assholey, entitled air if they somehow believe themselves to be better than the rest due to looks (or due to other people confirming this for them). Of course, to think that way, one would probably be an asshole regardless of looks. But while we're being shallow, I'll add that it makes me extra annoyed when this attitude accompanies a person who isn't even that good-looking! The nerve!

I now want to know who you find beautiful, just cuz I'm curious. Boys too.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

So....while I'm loving the acting Lena Dunham is doing this season with the pregnancy story line.....

Am I the only one who was cheering Elijah on & thinking he was just spilling some truth to Hannah about her becoming a mom?

(It could have been done more tactfully, but I was still cheering. Maybe I'm a bad person.)

[TattleTeeny]

Hahahahhaaa--never go by me; I'm all mixed up in that regard (though I do see why other people find attractive the ones I do not--except Christian Bale, Ryan Reynolds, and another famous Ryan)! But both Rob Zombie and his wife, to me, are the world's homecoming king and queen. Harrison Ford, regardless of age. And Christoper Meloni! I have no problem with so-called "average." Maybe a better term would be "doesn't do it for me," I guess? I'm sure my BF and I are run-of-the-mill other than to each other and maybe a handful of other whackos! Also, Louis CK is just so attractive to me--like I said, do not go by me because WTF is that, haha!

Because MyPeopleAreNordic's name reminded me: January Jones! She's a normal choice for beautiful, I'd say. But then I veer into the "...but is she 'hot'?" debate. Some people are not both!

Edited March 14, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[Winston Wolfe]

1 hour ago, luna1122 said:

I think Allison Williams is exceptionally pretty, tho too skinny. She looks a lot like Amanda Peet; both have that strong jaw and steely gaze, they should really play mom & daughter or aunt or sisters or something. No girl (or guy) has looks exceptional enough to justify asshole behavior (tho it happens all the time) but I'd think Jessa is more the kind of girl whose looks n demeanor would make a guy lose his wits for awhile. (

Interesting thing is, I don't find Jessa all that attractive...and I usually find something attractive in almost every woman.  Her face has a kind of...cruelness...to it, kind of like Robin Givens.  Someone that smirks or grimaces a lot.  Not pretty at all IMHO.  Hey I just joined you in the shallow pool.  :D

[TattleTeeny]

Hey, why not? I think part of the characters' arcs is to realize they're not all so super-special for whatever reason anyway, and they're written so that we see that. Plus, Jessa--we had a bunch of chicks in college who seemed way hotter than they were on a strictly physical level simply because of some "manic pixie dream girl" thing they had going on at the time (I was one of them to some guys, I think! No more--I'm all practical and shit now. Yeah, that's it!).

[luna1122]

I think Jemima has resting bitch face; I do too, so I don't see cruel or grimace-y, but I get why some would. I got called bitchy and stuck up all my life, when really I was just an introvert with RBF.

I love how subjective it all is...what seems undeniably unspeakably beautiful to me might just be meh to someone else, and vice versa. And the undeniably beautiful doesn't necessarily mean, as you said TattleTeeny, that I think they're hot, and who I might find ridiculously hot might not be even close to stereotypically beautiful or handsome.

[TattleTeeny]

I have RBF too! And large eyes, which add a shocked-and-appalled thing to the snotty look that the RBF conveys. Fun.

[scrb]

Maybe Hannah will try to get back that advertorial job at GQ that she thought she was too good for.

Or if she stuck it out at Iowa, she might be earning more than $24k a year, 5 years removed from college, during a boom time for the economy.

The GQ job at least let her write.  It was writing lies but it was still writing, though her coworkers there found themselves too tired to do their own writing, though some of them had achieved some measure of notice for their work.  

Struggling writers often take soul-crushing jobs or they wait tables and do other low-end service-industry work.

So does this pregnancy and motherhood humble Hannah, make her more pragmatic than take free-lance writing gigs for some little-known websites?  Or maybe she gets some traction there and start to get better gigs, like Jezebel?

[Mindthinkr]

I have read a lot in these posts about older women getting divorced and some also finding out that their spouses were gay. There's a funny series based on this premise. Frankie and Grace. It's on Netflix. It stars Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda. 

It is true however that it takes effort to rebuild a life when you are older and divorce. If you a used to a close relationship and haven't built a framework of friendships before that change it can be hard to start over. Clubs, volunteering etc. are not just for the unmarried. Lots of married women do that as a means of filling their life meaningfully and to get out of the house. Everyone isn't always so welcoming either. Think cliques already established and mean girls that will befriend you then chat up your confidences to the larger group. Not saying this always happens but I have seen it. Best to take ones new life slowly and get a good foundation before a full charge into any scene. Less likely your feelings will get hurt. 

I found great classes (Tai Chi, art, yoga and publishing) at a local museum. Bridge classes (for all skill levels) at a local seniors center (over 55) as well as Zumba and other exercise options. Many treated these as meet, greet and get your social on options. 

Best wishes out there older single ladies. 

Be well and be kind. 

[Eucrid]

3 hours ago, luna1122 said:

I think Allison Williams is exceptionally pretty, tho too skinny. She looks a lot like Amanda Peet; both have that strong jaw and steely gaze, they should really play mom & daughter or aunt or sisters or something.

I think Amanda Peet has a lot more talent than Williams.

[luna1122]

3 minutes ago, Eucrid said:

I think Amanda Peet has a lot more talent than Williams.

Oh, me too.

[Eucrid]

1 hour ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Interesting thing is, I don't find Jessa all that attractive...and I usually find something attractive in almost every woman.  Her face has a kind of...cruelness...to it, kind of like Robin Givens.  Someone that smirks or grimaces a lot.  Not pretty at all IMHO.  Hey I just joined you in the shallow pool.  :D

I think she is hiding her attractiveness under her acting, if that makes any sense. I think she plays her character in a really unattractive way. I think if she was in another role she could definitely be very attractive. Like I sort of find Hannah attractive but I don't find real Lena very attractive. Not sure why.

[archer1267]

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I was sad Loreen wasn't more excited about the grandchild, because I definitely would be excited about that.

It reminded me of Shirley MacLaine's "who wants to be a GRANDMOTHER?" outburst in Terms of Endearment - though not nearly as over the top! I was expecting Lorene to have more of a "what are you, crazy for thinking you raise a child? You can barely take of yourself" reaction to Hannah. 

I loved how Adam took care of the actress playing Myra, making sure that she was okay after the spanking scene, asking her if she needed a tissue, etc. Between that and the way he took care of Sample, I bet he'll be the only person in Hannah's orbit that shows compassion for her and what she must be going through, alone. I'm very curious to see how he responds to hearing about her pregnancy.

I didn't ship them as a couple, but I've grown to love Ray and Shosh's scenes together. It's obvious that there's genuine affection and friendship there. I'm glad she can be there for him when Marnie is just so Godawful.