S05.E06: A Little Bit Stronger

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Rayna and Deacon beef up their home security after Rayna's encounter with Carl Hockney. Juliette draws closer to her guardian angel Hallie. Avery leaps back into performing.

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[Armchair Critic]

Too much of Rayna's daughters, are they trying to kill off this show for good?

Scarlett's face while watching that video was all kinds of WTF? I just can't with that actress.

Maybe you could try to blend in just a little Juliette by getting to church on time.

Edited February 3, 2017 by Armchair Critic

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And brings back an old friend in the process.

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[slasherboy]

1 hour ago, Armchair Critic said:

Too much of Rayna's daughters, are they trying to kill off this show for good?

Scarlett's face while watching that video was all kinds of WTF? I just can't with that actress.

Maybe you could try to blend in just a little Juliette by getting to church on time.

I came here to say what Armchair Critic said, so .....  and why was everyone staring at her the second time she attended but not the first?  Whenever she was in church she looked high with that silly smile on her face.  Avery's such a sweetheart ~~ "I'm still here!"

Good to see Luke again.

Will's about to get hit on again by Zach Wells.  And that laugh Zach made when Luke said they must have been bugging his office ... best part of the episode for me.

If I never see Maddie again, or hear her obnoxious voice, it will be too soon.  I'm predicting Daphne is going to get caught up in sexting with Flynn.  These girls don't go half-way.

I don't like this show very much anymore.  Hey, no Gunner!  And Scarlet, I just can't figure out what she's saying.  Does she like the video or not?  She likes the director!  Maybe that's why no Gunner.

That's all for now. Blah, Blah, Blah.....

[Packerbrewerbadger]

I too wondered why Juliette didnt get to church on time, both times, especially if she doesn't want to call attention to her self!

A lot more music tonight and that's a good thing!

[Packerbrewerbadger]

Way to let the cat out of the bag to two artists who don't have a clue their label is being sold, Rayna!

[AnnaRose]

I was so confused when Scarlett was watching herself in her video.  I thought she was having a psychotic episode and was imagining all of those weird abrupt emotional changes that video-Scarlett displayed while looking in the mirror.  I thought she was imagining it when the image laughed and then proceeded to exhibit various unrelated emotions that didn't seem like they were part of the video.  I'm probably not explaining it clearly, but she was just so bizarre in the whole scene. 

Clay sounded great in his song, but I hate his whole storyline.  Maddie is way too immature for a relationship even with someone her own age, and really doesn't belong with anyone older.  I just want her off my screen anyway.

I enjoyed the Luke and Rayna scene.  I'm glad they're in a good place now.

My DVR cut-off at the end, just after Avery told Juliette she never looked more beautiful.  Can anyone tell me what I missed?  Thank you!

[WhosThatGirl]

The show is remembering stuff! Like how Rayna and Luke almost got married and then Rayna showed up on the day of the wedding and was like.."I can't. Sorry, bye!" And then last season Luke and Deacon were like friends again and playing at his bar and made no mention of this situation ever.

And also mention of Juliette having been on raynas label.

Ugh. I don't know why we are sitting through the love issues of daphne and Maddie.

[bilgistic]

2 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:

Too much of Rayna's daughters, are they trying to kill off this show for good?

Scarlett's face while watching that video was all kinds of WTF? I just can't with that actress.

Maybe you could try to blend in just a little Juliette by getting to church on time.

And the shitton of makeup on Scarlett! Good lord!

Edited February 3, 2017 by bilgistic

[bilgistic]

16 minutes ago, AnnaRose said:

My DVR cut-off at the end, just after Avery told Juliette she never looked more beautiful.  Can anyone tell me what I missed?  Thank you!

They went to church. There was a bunch of paparazzi there. The end. It was very anti-climactic.

[Irlandesa]

51 minutes ago, AnnaRose said:

My DVR cut-off at the end, just after Avery told Juliette she never looked more beautiful.  Can anyone tell me what I missed?  Thank you!

bilgistic already explained what happened but I'd like to add that he told her "you know what this is going to mean, don't you?"  When they get there, we see he means the paps because there are a ton of cameras.  Reason I posted?  I thought he looked pretty hot getting out of the car to open up Juliette's door with the backdrop of paparazzi fury.

I was very happy to see Luke. Clay can sing but he means more Maddie so no.

I was fine with Kevin and Will breaking up because Will wasn't ready to settle down but if that's the case, I need to see him dating around before he gets into another relationship.

[GaT]

2 hours ago, slasherboy said:

If I never see Maddie again, or hear her obnoxious voice, it will be too soon.  I'm predicting Daphne is going to get caught up in sexting with Flynn.  These girls don't go half-way.

They are really trying for the younger viewers & I'm just not interested. I don't care about their singing, I don't care about their boyfriends, I just don't care. And just as an FYI, I keep seeing a video they made & neither one of them can move.

Avery sang! Avery SANG!!!!! I've missed Avery singing so much, why isn't there more of this?

The whole church thing is boring the hell out of me, I thought this show might be better on CMT, I was wrong.

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah the first two episodes started out with such promise and now I'm just not into it. 

They are focusing way too hard on Daphne and Maddie and I don't understand why. It's like this is a new show. Most of the people watching are probably the people who watched it on ABC and honestly I don't think here for the Maddie and Daphne of it all. Especially when they have stories completely separate from the adults.

Inwas really excited for this show to come back but I don't really care what they did to the stories and characters.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Maddie continues to be The Worst. I can't imagine talking back to my parents like that. As usual, everything is all about Maddie. She managed to make a conversation about her mom having a stalker all about how her parents hate her boyfriend because they're racist. She clearly wants a lot more reaction from them than she's getting if she's picking fights like that. Later in the episode (after the stalker showed up at Maddie's school), Rayna was trying to see if Daphne was upset and Daphne's reply was, "Do you want me to be upset?" I kind of wish that's what Rayna had said to Maddie when she was going on and on about how they hate Clay. Actually if I had been Rayna, I would have said, "I don't know Clay well enough to hate him. Yes, I had a reaction to meeting him but that's because this boy who you have mentioned all of twice showed up unannounced on my doorstep. I always have a reaction to strangers knocking on my door, especially when I have a stalker."

Ugh, can this storyline with Scarlett and the music video be over already? How many more episodes need to deal with it? I really do not want this animosity with the jerk director to turn into Scarlett thinking he's so awesome for showing her a new side of herself. BARF.

I was pleasantly surprised that Will was so open to Rayna buying his label. I am friends with several of my ex-boyfriends but none of us are in a position of power regarding the other person's career which probably makes things a lot easier for us. What's going to happen if Rayna doesn't want to shell out for a big arena tour or she thinks his album isn't strong enough to sell? Is he just going to roll over and do whatever she says because she's the head of the label?

I am fine with Juliette going to church if that's giving her purpose or helping her in any way, but if she doesn't want to be a distraction (her words), then maybe show up on time and then sit in the back. Showing up late and then making your way down the aisle is a distraction even when the person isn't famous. In other words, DON'T BE RUDE AT CHURCH! Remember her awesome bodyguard? He would have come in handy escorting her from the car to the door of the church.

[CrystalMoon]

I really can't stand Maddie. I hate that she is so front and center on the show now. Does anyone want to see this? I haven't seen one good comment on the internet about her. And why did the writers give her a boyfriend with so many red flags? 7 years older, bipolar, homeless? Being African American isn't an issue, imo, yet the show decided to pick that one to talk about. Why can't she just go off to college?

Scarlett's storyline is bizarre. Did she really like that weird video of her looking in a mirror and making faces? I thought it was awful. And then she suddenly likes the sadistic director? And where is Gunnar during this viewing? Why didn't he come along to watch?

I really don't like how Gunnar is being ignored this season. I like Gunnar and miss him. Even when he's in an ep, he feels like he's part of the background.

I loved seeing Avery perform again, but I wanted more. I mean, what did the lyrics mean? Why was he singing about not backing down? I wish we could've seen him writing the song last week so we'd have some context. The show used to do that all the time. Plus, Avery's song was played while Juliette went to church. I sense this was supposed to be meaningful, but it totally went over my head. He's not backing down, and she's going to church. Huh?

I also found Juliette's accusation that Avery doesn't want to see her happy to be extremely weird. Can we please have a J&A scene where he doesn't have to constantly reassure her? Why doesn't she ask about him for a change. Say, ask him how his gig went. 

And I don't like how he put that card in his pocket. It implies, to me, that he's not going to call the manager and he's going to continue to put himself in second place. If so, I am outta here. I can't watch that happen to Avery anymore.

Edited February 3, 2017 by CrystalMoon

[dcalley]

Like hell I'd do business with someone who stole food off my plate, especially bacon.

I thought it was rude for Hallie to say to the kids "If I were 160 years old, how would I walk?" and then act it out when Juliette is right there.

[gesundheit]

I was glad they gave Daphne a mini-story, but they need to cool it with Maddie. It's like every episode she makes a little progress into being less horrible and then backslides dramatically the next day.

Nice of Juliette to miss Avery's first performance in ages and then accuse him of wanting her to be unhappy. And yes, I'm right there with all of you who don't understand why someone who wants to blend in shows up late to church and goes up front!

Nice to see Luke again.

[Madding crowd]

I still love the show but wish they could find a way for better storylines. I also thought Juliette should have gone to Avery's show-she could show up at church anytime. I like the singer who is with the Nashville Chocolate Drops and it's nice to have some gospel/old time influenced music from time to time. I had no idea what was going on with Scarlett. I can't believe the video would actually have her staring into a mirror and making faces. I suppose she is going to have an affair with the awful director guy-sigh. I really like Gunnar and he is pretty low key so she should be thankful he doesn't mind her mood swings.

Still too much Maddie-Clay seems like a nice guy and good singer but I would not want my 17 year old dating a 24 year old. Way to much of an age difference. And are we going to see someone hit on WIll in every single episode? He can and is more than his sex life. Happy to see Luke again. After all of these negatives I have to say I am happy that the show is showcasing all the different types of music in Nashville. Luke represents the beer drinking country kind, Juliette the pop side, Rayna the country diva queen, Avery the more rock/country etc. I hope for more music in the future. 

[Lady Calypso]

The whole racism angle that Maddie was trying to play feels like it was used more as shock value for the promo for this episode. It just felt out of nowhere, especially in the context of the scene. "Oh, my mom has a stalker, but let's talk about my mom being racist! That bitch!" Girl, tone it down and go away. Go off to college....in Australia. I don't know why the show thinks that we need more teens. I like that Daphne got a plot but with Maddie having her own plot in this same episode, it's just too much. 

I'm also going to need an episode where Juliette isn't pushing Avery away and Avery isn't reassuring her again. It's been in every single one of their episodes. They need to stop it now. I am glad to see Avery singing again, though. 

I get why Juliette thinks that Hallie should be recording, but I wish the show would be fine in saying that not every character who can sing needs a record to be happy. I'm totally seeing Hallie take up Juliette's offer soon. 

Luke! Oh, thank goodness for Luke! I really did miss him. 

Wait, Rayna's label has been having financial issues and she thinks they can buy Luke's label and it'll make things better? 

Apparently, Gunnar decided to attend his own separate viewing of the video. Eh, the video was weird in itself. I'm not sure what was going on in that scene. I THINK she was projecting her own feelings as she was watching, but it was just horribly disjointed. I'm just seeing Scarlett having an affair with Douche Director and I'm already feeling bad for Gunnar, because it'll probably be turned around on HIM somehow, like "karma" for... "cheating" on Scarlett with all those other women. 

Yeah, Damien is not some kind of great director. From what I saw, it was just weird. 

[Evie]

3 hours ago, CrystalMoon said:

I really don't like how Gunnar is being ignored this season. I like Gunnar and miss him. Even when he's in an ep, he feels like he's part of the background.

Yes, he does. I feel that way about most of the guys, actually. Gunnar's just kind of there, making Scarlett miserable, apparently, for stuff that didn't play out on my screen the way the show's saying it did. Avery repeats "I'm still here" every episode. We see five seconds of him writing again and then three episodes later we find out he's put together a band and has a gig. Will's had a little more POV but he also just kind of pops up in places to be hit on.  I've really only liked the scenes with the guys together.

[CrystalMoon]

2 minutes ago, Evie said:

Yes, he does. I feel that way about most of the guys, actually. Gunnar's just kind of there, making Scarlett miserable, apparently, for stuff that didn't play out on my screen the way the show's saying it did. Avery repeats "I'm still here" every episode. We see five seconds of him writing again and then three episodes later we find out he's put together a band and has a gig. Will's had a little more POV but he also just kind of pops up in places to be hit on.  I've really only liked the scenes with the guys together.

I agree. All of the guys are being neglected. Even Deacon has been turned into a house husband. Yet we get more and more Maddie every ep.

[AnnaRose]

1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

Eh, the video was weird in itself. I'm not sure what was going on in that scene. I THINK she was projecting her own feelings as she was watching, but it was just horribly disjointed.

I still can't tell if she was imagining that the weird faces were actually there, or if they were supposed to be a projection of her current feelings as she watched it, or if they were actually in the video.  Whatever they were going for in that scene didn't translate.

[LekoBoy]

I find it quite easy to FF thru every Maddie-Clay scene, alone or together.  And I feel I don't miss a thing.  Soon Scarlett's scenes will be added to my FF list.

But screw with Will and the season pass gets deleted forever.

[tennisgurl]

What do you bet that if creepy stalker guy showed up at Maddie's school to get her to pass something along to Rayna, she would have been all "Sure, totally! Lets go into the nearby woods and talk about it!" or something, while Daphne and her friends immediately figured out who he was and ran away yelling for help, like people with brains would. At least Daphne gets a plot this episode, even if it wasn't super exciting. I`ll take it. Unfortunately, that leads me to..

Maddie the Annoying! Now that she's emancipated, can she move out? Like, to Japan? My face was pretty much Daphne's when Maddie randomly started screaming about how "racist" her parents are. Like, where the hell did you ever GET that Maddie? Have your parents ever shown racism in any way, ever? The problem they had was obvious, that he was too old for her, which he is, and they didn't even mention that he's a homeless street musician with mental health problems, even after Maddie told Rayna about him being bipolar. Seriously, why are we spending so much time with Maddie?! Does she has legions of fans on some corner of the internet that I'm unaware of? She's still a good singer, but she's all kinds of annoying and stupid, and she takes screen time that could go to more interesting characters. Like, you know, LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE!

That all being said, if you ignore the Maddie stuff, this was an alright episode, more good than bad. It was nice seeing Luke again, and to see he and Rayna in a good place. Its weird that they haven't had a scene together in so long, even when they both had major storylines last season. They were engaged! I'm impressed the writers remembered that, and had them be ok with each other without drama.

I like the whole Juliette finds religion plot (lord knows its better than watching her self destruct for the 100th time), but, like everyone else has said, if she wants to keep a low profile, maybe come in on time, and sit in the back? Oh Juliette, she just cant resist an entrance. And, dear God, what does Avery have to do to get Juliette to stop snapping at him? Donate a kidney? Nail himself to a cross? He has proven over and over he wants to be with her and support her, and the only time he didn't want her around was after she was in her "throwing stuff at his head while he was holding the baby" phase, and when he was still pissed off at her and thought she was dangerous to their kid, and even then he stuck with her way longer than most people would have. You know, as much as I would like Avery/Juliette to just be normal for awhile (deal with their family, their careers, normal stuff), I would like to see something happen, after Juliette is better, with Avery where he is having a hard time and needs support from Juliette, and she needs to be the care taking "I love you and I'm here for you baby" one in the relationship for once. It would be a good way to grow her character and see her become more selfless and mature.

Looks like they're continuing their "every so inclined man in Nashville drools over Will" subplot this season! Granted, I do get it (Will is certainly a catch), but cant the guy do ANYTHING without guys hitting on him or licking him with their eyes? Cant he have some other plot?

I was really happy to see so much music in this episode, and a wide variety of country music. As Madding Crowd mentioned, I like how they show the many different styles of country music, with all the characters kind of representing different sub genres of country. I liked that this week we got some gospel, and especially the Nashville Chocolate Singers and their old time banjo mountain style song. I actually liked all the songs this episode, and we even got to hear Avery sing again! More music, and less Maddie drama please.  

[Soup333]

I've seen the odd comment cheering on the Maddie focus but most things I've read have been 99% negative about her having more and more and more screentime. She's annoying and if the show keeps pushing it this way, they're guaranteed to turn more people off. I'm one of them.

I do like all the different kinds of music. I don't need or want to see Hallie make an album because I want to hear songs from the main cast. 

I would love for Juliette to support Avery for once. Hopefully we'll get there at some point this season.

[RealFantasies]

Juliette, I love you but give that man of yours some credit, you put him through hell and then some last year, Jesus Christ.

Serene IS a good look on her, though. She finally seems at peace with herself, it's a nice change of pace.

I just wanna put out there that I adore everything about JJ/Avery, voice included, and really want so more music from him. He better call that guy. (And JJ's solo band, Enation had some great songs, that man can SING).

So, I've heard that Maisy aka Daphne was originally supposed to be an only child but then they found out she had a sister (Lennon aka Maddie) who could sing, too, so then they wrote in a second Conrad daughter.

I just gotta say, they made a grave error, there.

I'm not even trying to be mean, but honestly? Maisy is charismatic and she can act. Lennon CAN'T and she ISN'T. 

She's not Hayden, she doesn't have half the sass or the vulnerability to carry these heavily weighted storylines.

Not to mention, are we SUPPOSED to even LIKE her? She's a selfish brat. She asked her boyfriend about his mental illness like it was a hobby of his or something. She's just NOW realizing that other people have histories and emotions and behave accordingly?

Daphne acts more like a legal adult than she does, and Daphne's, what, TWELVE? Why couldn't they have just used that ridiculous emancipation storyline to write her off to New York?

And holy snap, I thought Clay was nineteen, at the most, not twenty-freaking-four. And Maddie seems continuously baffled that she doesn't understand him, rme. And her calling her parents racist made my eyes roll to the back of my head but Daphne's playful "WTF is wrong with you?" expression nearly made up for it.

While Rayna is certainly correct that Clay is too old her, I liked her acknowledgement that "who am I to judge, I fell in love with a messed-up alcoholic and it took twenty years before we were in a truly healthy relationship", it was delightfully self-aware of her. 

Are they trying to do a #FreeScarlett thing with that asshole producer, because otherwise, I have no idea where any of that's going.

I had no idea the Banjo had African roots, thanks for that, show.

Oh, and we know Will's hot, no need to make the guy take his shirt off once an episode, lol.

And Juliette's phys. therapist is a trans woman, nice to see small aspects of diversity making its way into "Nashville".

Edited February 4, 2017 by RealFantasies

[J-Man]

During the scene with the "Nashville Chocolate Drops," when Hallie introduced the group to the kids with that name, the closed-captioning said "TENNESSEE Chocolate Drops." Anyone know what was up with that?

[Lillybee]

It is nice to see Juleitte happy for the first time in this series. I am waiting for her "dead" father to show up in maybe about three episodes to wreck it.

Maddie really needs to bs slapped upside head.

I liked Avery's song and his performance, More please

[NorthstarATL]

I like the Zach/Will vibe. It works for me better than the previous guy did. Maybe because he seemed so needy? I was worried when  Zach left Rayna alone at the concert that whoever her stalker is would take that opportunity to approach her.

[Irlandesa]

2 hours ago, NorthstarATL said:

I like the Zach/Will vibe. It works for me better than the previous guy did. Maybe because he seemed so needy? I was worried when  Zach left Rayna alone at the concert that whoever her stalker is would take that opportunity to approach her.

I like the Zach/Will vibe too.  I also liked Kevin/Will.  Kevin wasn't always needy.  Just the opposite, in fact, until he gave Will a second chance.  That said, I don't know if either duo quite had the chemistry or had the care taken to tell their story to make me really get super invested in their succes or failure.  I still think Brent was his best love interest.

[KaveDweller]

14 hours ago, J-Man said:

During the scene with the "Nashville Chocolate Drops," when Hallie introduced the group to the kids with that name, the closed-captioning said "TENNESSEE Chocolate Drops." Anyone know what was up with that?

I just did a quick search and Tennessee Chocolate Drops appears to be the name of a real group. They must have changed it at the last minute when they found out and the change didn't make it to the closed captioner.

[piratewench]

5 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

I just did a quick search and Tennessee Chocolate Drops appears to be the name of a real group. They must have changed it at the last minute when they found out and the change didn't make it to the closed captioner.

Actually the name of the real group is the Carolina Chocolate Drops.  Not sure why closed captioning would replace Nashville with Tennessee, but then I've seen bad closed captioning work before on other shows.

[Brinny]

1 hour ago, piratewench said:

Actually the name of the real group is the Carolina Chocolate Drops.  Not sure why closed captioning would replace Nashville with Tennessee, but then I've seen bad closed captioning work before on other shows.

Speaking of the Carolina Chocolate Drops, I'm holding out hope that since Juliette is finding Jesus, that maybe she and Hallie can switch personalities and then we can hear the band play their amazing cover of "Hit 'Em Up Style" on the show. I'd be here for that. 

 

Things I'm NOT here for:

- Any and all things related to Maddie (although I do still think Clay is cute, but his character sucks, so moot point)
- Avery and Juliette having the same fight every episode
- Lack of Will/Gunnar/Avery scenes
- Lack of Cadence in general (seriously, guys, when's the last time they even mentioned her?)
- This overtired stalker storyline

 

Things that I am IN NO WAY, NOT AT ALL here for:

Scarlett validating that gross, sexist, misogynistic director's behaviour by crediting him with what? Showing her/the world who she really is by emotionally abusing and controlling her in front of a room full of people? How does the end justify the mean in this case? Ugh. I just found the whole thing insulting. Women don't need to viewed as sex objects to embrace/own their sexuality. That was a workplace environment. Scarlett felt uncomfortable. She was told to do things that she didn't want to do and was essentially threatened to do them. Plain and simple, that's harassment. And it shouldn't be justified because she happened to like the finished product. Because guess what? The actions and the behaviour of the director were still wrong. 

And I swear to God, if they were somehow suggesting that there is going to be something romantic between the two of them (there were some lingering looks), I will stop watching. Like I said, not here for that. 

Edited February 5, 2017 by Brinny
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[londonfroglet]

1 hour ago, piratewench said:

Actually the name of the real group is the Carolina Chocolate Drops.  Not sure why closed captioning would replace Nashville with Tennessee, but then I've seen bad closed captioning work before on other shows.

And the two players alongside Hallie (Rhiannon Giddens) are/were members of the Carolina Chocolate Drops - on the right, former and founding member Justin Robinson, and on the left one of her current tour mates. I assure y'all that CCD is one of the finest live shows you could hope to see, and I loved getting to see Rhiannon do her thing for a brief moment.

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Speaking of the Carolina Chocolate Drops, I'm holding out hope that since Juliette is finding Jesus, that maybe she and Hallie can switch personalities and then we can hear the band play their amazing cover of "Hit 'Em Up Style" on the show. I'd be here for that. 

ETA: Yes, that too, that would be fantastic.

Edited February 5, 2017 by londonfroglet

[KaveDweller]

3 hours ago, piratewench said:

Actually the name of the real group is the Carolina Chocolate Drops.  Not sure why closed captioning would replace Nashville with Tennessee, but then I've seen bad closed captioning work before on other shows.

But there is also a Tennessee Chocolate Drops. Or was a group back in the 1930s. I don't know if that would be enough to make them change the name, but it could have. Or maybe they just wanted to see how many times they could work the word "Nashville" into the script.

Often when closed captioning doesn't match it's because dialogue was changed at the last minute (after the captioning file was created).

Edited February 5, 2017 by KaveDweller

[dirtydi]

1 hour ago, Brinny said:

 

Scarlett validating that gross, sexist, misogynistic director's behaviour by crediting him with what? Showing her/the world who she really is by emotionally abusing and controlling her in front of a room full of people? How does the end justify the mean in this case? Ugh. I just found the whole thing insulting. Women don't need to viewed as sex objects to embrace/own their sexuality. That was a workplace environment. Scarlett felt uncomfortable. She was told to do things that she didn't want to do and was essentially threatened to do them. Plain and simple, that's harassment. And it shouldn't be justified because she happened to like the finished product. Because guess what? The actions and the behaviour of the director were still wrong. 

And I swear to God, if they were somehow suggesting that there is going to be something romantic between the two of them (there were some lingering looks), I will stop watching. Like I said, not here for that. 

Me too.  I found that disgusting.   Wow, he really made me see the real me after he humiliated and berated me!  And if she is so unhappy with Gunnar and can't forgive from the past, then leave him.  Let him be with someone that really wants to be with him.

Edited February 5, 2017 by dirtydi

[jay741982]

28 minutes ago, dirtydi said:

Me too.  I found that disgusting.   Wow, he really made me see the real me after he humiliated and berated me!  And if she is so unhappy with Gunnar and can't forgive from the past, then leave him.  Let him be with someone that really wants to be with him.

Scarlett cheats on him with that horrible producer I will HATE Her. Gunnar doesn't deserve that and he's not treated her like the producer treated her and the message that sends. It already sickens me the amount of shows that say "hey you can be a horrible person and still get the girl or guy".

[Soup333]

Y'all should check out the sneak peek for next week regarding Scarlett and Director Douche. Gunnar absolutely doesn't deserve to have their history rewritten so that he somehow managed to sleep his way through half of Nashville. That was ridiculous. For me, Scarlett and Gunnar aren't happening and I don't even care. I blame the writers for this though, because they couldn't be bothered showing them actually happy after their brief scenes in 501. I have no idea where it all went wrong but Scarlett doesn't seem to like Gunnar AT ALL. She seems miserable in every scene she's been in since the season started. I'm over it, her, that horrid video, the director and the rewritten history of her and Gunnar. #FreeGunnar - bring Zoey back, or even Erin. Scarlett can have the douche that helped her see herself "from the inside." 

Agreed with everything said about Maddie. She's annoying and the focus on her is driving people away, as per the latest ratings. They need to pull back from her - or what they should have done, if they just had to redeem her, was build her up slowly. Have her apologize to her entire family for putting them through hell. Maybe this thing with Daphne and the guy that likes her could happen and she could have given her sister some advice instead of acting as if Daphne is getting on her last nerve all the time. They should have slowed the Clay storyline waaayyyy down. Have them meet, become friends and him have reservations about dating her but doesn't reveal that he's bipolar yet. This way, we warm up to both of them at the same time. The way they went about it, I'm no closer to wanting Maddie on my screen than I was in the second half of last season. I wish Rayna had gone ahead and sent her to boarding school when she wanted to go. But not Daphne. She's an angel.

[areca]

On 2/3/2017 at 11:19 PM, RealFantasies said:

Are they trying to do a #FreeScarlett thing with that asshole producer, because otherwise, I have no idea where any of that's going.

It's incredibly obvious where that is going.  (Psstttt...50 shades of grey, perhaps you've heard of it?)  Which is my main complaint with the show's move to CMT.  I...ugh.  There is absolutely nothing about this show that feels new, interesting, or innovative.  Everything is as light and fresh as a 1,000 year old rock. There have been exactly three good moments in 6 episodes:

1.  Clay - that guy can sing and I love his voice.
2.  Scarlett and Deacon - Whoever is writing their scenes' dialogue is amazing.  Actually Scarlett's dialogue has gone up a notch overall vs. CBS. 
3.  I lied.  Apparently there are only 2 things.  In six episodes.

Bleah.  I might be done with this show.

Edit:  Is Daphne's little friend the chickee who played Poison Ivy on Gotham?

Edited February 5, 2017 by areca

[Lillybee]

The band backing up Avery seems to be JJ's band E-Nation. I recognized his brother at drums.

[piratewench]

9 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

But there is also a Tennessee Chocolate Drops. Or was a group back in the 1930s. I don't know if that would be enough to make them change the name, but it could have. Or maybe they just wanted to see how many times they could work the word "Nashville" into the script.

Often when closed captioning doesn't match it's because dialogue was changed at the last minute (after the captioning file was created).

I've never heard of Tennessee Chocolate Drops.  Interesting to know.  But I do know the group Rhiannon Giddons is in is the Carolina Chocolate Drops.  I've seen her perform with them at the Opry.

Edited February 5, 2017 by piratewench

[spottedreptile]

17 hours ago, jay741982 said:

Scarlett cheats on him with that horrible producer I will HATE Her.

It's like they're trying to do the Black Swan/Fifty Shades storyline. Scarlett awakened to her own sexuality by cruel producer who was really being kind blah blah blah and all of sudden we have somewhere for her character to go etc. It's so obvious and it's totally destroying any credibility she had as a character on the show. 

Edited February 5, 2017 by spottedreptile

[Ohmo]

19 hours ago, Brinny said:

Avery and Juliette having the same fight every episode

That's how I feel about Gunnar and Scarlett...that they have this tortured past that we just keep going round and round with.

I like Clay and all, but I find it utterly ridiculous that he would be that enthralled with a 17-year old if he's 24.  I'm sorry, but even allowing for the music angle, you're telling me that he couldn't find an age-appropriate female musician in a town that's full of them?

I thought that the writers were going to fix Maddie, but the same thing is happening.  She is a talented musician, but she is not God's gift to the world!  Can someone NOT be amazed by her?

At least Daphne's storyline is age-appropriate.

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I do like all the different kinds of music. I don't need or want to see Hallie make an album because I want to hear songs from the main cast. 

Bet she's going to sing on the gospel album that Juliette wants to make.

Edited February 5, 2017 by Ohmo

[jay741982]

47 minutes ago, spottedreptile said:

It's like they're trying to do the Black Swan/Fifty Shades storyline. Scarlett awakened to her own sexuality by cruel producer who was really being kind blah blah blah and all of sudden we have somewhere for her character to go etc. It's so obvious and it's totally destroying any credibility she had as a character on the show. 

That kind of bullshit is not romantic and it sickens me that many shows do this crap. Total asshole guy gets the girl. 

[TVFAN]

Loving Javery as always.  Yes, they do have the same fight every week because that's what real couples do.  It would be unrealistic for Juliette to suddenly become the most trusting soul on earth.  People have been leaving her all her life, which is why she tries to push them away first.  The good news is that Avery understands that fact and that Juliette is starting to understand it herself.  The two of them looked positively blissful sitting together in church.  Now, we just need to find a way for her to be supportive of his career without taking it over.

[Lady Calypso]

4 hours ago, Ohmo said:

I like Clay and all, but I find it utterly ridiculous that he would be that enthralled with a 17-year old if he's 24.  I'm sorry, but even allowing for the music angle, you're telling me that he couldn't find an age-appropriate female musician in a town that's full of them?

Agreed. I also really like Clay and think he's fairly sensible, even with all of his problems, but his interest in Maddie is peculiar. Sure, love is love, but it's just odd that he's willing to be with a seventeen year old when he's smart enough to know that it's illegal, it probably won't work out because of his various issues, and he's pointed out how immature Maddie is and how inexperienced she is about life in general. It seems like it's a doomed relationship for these multitude of reasons. He knows that Maddie isn't ready for a serious, mature relationship with him and it's his refusal to really push her away that does bug me. He tried, Maddie persisted, and then he relented, although he continues to bring up the issues that he knows will be their downfall.

Even if I put my issues with Maddie aside, I can't see how she'll stick with Clay long term. She doesn't seem to understand how unready she is to be with a guy who is: a) Seven years older than her; b) Homeless or at least without a permanent and stable environment; and c) Bipolar and is refusing to take his meds. All of those issues combined are something that a seventeen year old can't handle in a romantic relationship. She doesn't understand the seriousness that it can cause. Clay's all good now, but what happens when he gets into a manic phase? What happens if he gets into a depressive phase? How is she going to handle it when Clay's decision is to not take his meds in favour of his music? She doesn't understand that his mental health needs to come first over music. I mean, she even chose to get emancipated from her family in favour of music so it's no wonder why she won't get it until Clay scares her during one of his phases. Maddie's a young kid who has had a lot of privilege in her life. Her emancipation arc was a result of her privilege, and besides her biological father reveal, she hasn't really gone through any life changing moments that make her an adult or mature in any way. Clay needs to be the adult here and do the right thing, even if he is in love with Maddie and doesn't want to. 

Basically, all I see is Maddie seeing a dangerous side to Clay and she'll either get it early on and break up with him, or she'll stand by him, compare it to the Deacon/Rayna situation, and she'll stay with him until a life and death situation happens. 

And this is the most I've ever talked about Maddie, let alone be on her side somewhat. I now return to my dislike Maddie bubble. 

[Brinny]

2 hours ago, TVFAN said:

Loving Javery as always.  Yes, they do have the same fight every week because that's what real couples do.  It would be unrealistic for Juliette to suddenly become the most trusting soul on earth.  People have been leaving her all her life, which is why she tries to push them away first.  The good news is that Avery understands that fact and that Juliette is starting to understand it herself.  The two of them looked positively blissful sitting together in church.  Now, we just need to find a way for her to be supportive of his career without taking it over.

I'm not saying that it's unrealistic for them to have the same fight multiple times or that all of Juliette's and Avery's problems should be solved after one conversation, but watching the exact same thing week in and week out with little to no progress being made, makes for VERY boring television in my opinion. 

Like, it was very realistic to watch Deacon and Rayna argue about the concept album that she wanted to write because of all of the not-so-nice-feelings it drudged up and everything that went along with it. And there's probably still some tension underlying there, so it would be just as realistic for them to fight about it again. But I don't think I could stomach them rehashing the same fight every week. Once? Sure. Bringing it up again a few months down the line? Yeah, okay. But every week? Zzzzzz.

As it stands right now, at least 3 out of the 6 episodes that have aired so far have had Avery saying that he won't leave Juliette and her bratting back that she doesn't trust him not to. Not only that, but this is literally the same fight they've been having since they got together initially. I think it's time to give it a rest.  

All that being said, Juliette and Avery are still one of my favourite parts of the show and I do wish there was more of them. 

[EuropeanGirl]

I.LOVE.LUKE. That is all.

[Syd]

Deadline reported that Connie Britton is available for pilots. If she leaves, do think this will be the end of Nashville? I do.

[piratewench]

1 hour ago, Syd said:

Deadline reported that Connie Britton is available for pilots. If she leaves, do think this will be the end of Nashville? I do.

I hope not.  She's not the only character on the show and I think there are lots of other interesting stories that could be told with the rest of the cast.  But I guess we'll see.

As far as Maddie is concerned, I think that she's typical of a seventeen year old, in that she thinks she's all grown up and mature when she's not and she's got rose-colored glasses on when it comes to life and relationships.  I try to think back to when I was seventeen and I can totally see myself being entranced with a "boy" like Clay, especially with all his issues, because that would feel all angsty/romantic to the me who was too naïve to know any better.  So I think in that way it's being portrayed totally realistically.  I'm guessing that somehow the relationship will eventually implode, leaving her physically or emotionally scarred, and it will begin to open her eyes to how small her worldview really is.  We feel invincible at that age and like we're so smart and capable and we really had no clue that we weren't.

I also would never have listened to my parents and would have assumed they "hated" him, just like she did.  Because that's just how we are when we're seventeen and unknowingly clueless.