S02.E09: Raiders Of The Lost Art

[scarynikki12]

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When a "time drift" causes Rip Hunter to forget his past, the Legends try to help him remember until they realize he possesses an artifact the Legion of Doom wants; Rory turns to Stein for help in handling a private matter.

 

[Lantern7]

This isn't how George Lucas got his start? That's disappointing.

Good to have LoT back again, even though I was spoiled on the subplot. Once again, it's a huge contest between Ray and Nate to see who's the bigger goober. Sara kicked some ass. And Mick remembered his time as Chronos. About time that happened.

Poor Rip. At the mercy of the Legion of Doom, and he's gonna get tortured by two dudes who will only stop to go down on themselves. Seriously, Damien and Malcolm strike me as that self-gratified.

[squidprincess]

It was lovely to have Rip, or "Phil" back again.  :-)  And it's good to see that Arthur Darvill still has his exquisite comedic timing.

[Sakura12]

I can't tell how much I loved hearing Gideon call Sara, Captain Lance. But we probably only got that because Rip's coming back to take that title away from her. Now we know that Rip did a Fob watch to himself and the being tortured by the LoD is the second part. Still don't know why he hesitated and got himself caught. 

The whole George Lucas thing was cheesey. I did like at Amaya saying she was from the past when George asked if they were from the future. I know this show is fictional so I'm okay with them taking liberties, like George Lucas using a line from Amaya. 

Does the LoD think they can torture Rip's memories back to him? I thought the spear re-writes reality, meaning Rip doesn't exist without them using the spear. Or I'm sorry the Holy Lance. Lol. I wanted Malcolm gone from Arrow after season 1. However I'm enjoying him and Darhk on this show. LoT even made Ra's better. So I'm fine with getting the other shows cast offs since they are much improved on here. 

Edited January 25, 2017 by Sakura12

[squidprincess]

5 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

Does the LoD think they can torture Rip's memories back to him? I thought the spear re-writes reality, meaning Rip doesn't exist without them using the spear. Or I'm sorry the Holy Lance. Lol. I wanted Malcolm gone from Arrow after season 1. However I'm enjoying him and Darhk on this show. LoT even made Ra's better. So I'm fine with getting the other shows cast offs since they are much improved on here. 

It wasn't the spear that caused him to lose his memories, it was whatever he did with the time drive after he turned Gideon off.  So theoretically, at least, his memories should be retrievable.

[Sakura12]

I thought they said he turned of the Time Drive so Gideon couldn't track him and that's when he used the spear. 

[squidprincess]

2 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

I thought they said he turned of the Time Drive so Gideon couldn't track him and that's when he used the spear. 

IIRC, he turned off Gideon because she wouldn't have allowed him to use the time drive like that, but it was the time drive that both rewrote/scattered him, not the Spear.  They'll probably clarify later, but the way I understood it was that if he used the spear itself, it would have literally wrote him out of existence.  They remember him, and his stuff exists, so I think that's ruled out.

[benteen]

So glad to have Legends of Tomorrow back, which was a lot of fun.  I'll miss this show on Thursday nights though as it was the perfect kind of show to begin to wind down my work week with.

Matt Angel looked more like a Geico Caveman George Lucas with the over the top beard.  I don't think GL had a beard at the time but I get trying to make him look recognizable.  I loved the trash compactor homage. 

Ray and Nate were a lot of fun in this episode.  Arthur Darvill was even more fun although they gave a former Doctor Who actor one of the Doctor's old storylines with the new identity thing.

DD and Merlyn were also a blast here.

[Miss Dee]

I laughed harder at that than I do at most sitcoms. Arthur Darville was FANTASTIC;  if he stays like this he just might become my second-favorite character. Nick's gruff, pointy-finger "Stay in school!" was hilarious. Once I realized where they were going with the trash compactor, I nearly fell off the couch.

I liked the Jax/Sara dynamic this episode too. They have a real supportive big sis/little bro thing going on that's sincerely sweet.

I liked watching Amaya throw that guy around after calling on the gorilla. She makes a good third to Ray and Nate. Wish we could have gotten her reaction to the movies - films would be *really* different than the kind she's used to.

Not sure how I feel about Mick's story. I'm glad we got a Chronos mention, but I think they went *really* overboard on the "Mick is stupid" angle. C'mon, writers, he is capable of using three syllable words here. I'd be okay with simple - not everyone has a complex mind - but they were bordering on Forrest Gump there.

I am also convinced there's a contest on set to see who can dress Dominic Purcell in the worst possible costumes. That orderly outfit was...something. I've seen this man in a suit, guys. You're not gonna convince me he's ugly.

All that said: this show is forgiven *everything* for throwing shade at their own Vandal Savage storyline from last season. Okay, show. We cool.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Miss Dee

[TDT]

I wonder if the first movie they watched was either THX-1138 or American Graffiti..

and was there a "Wilhelm Scream" by Merlyn after Amaya threw him? LOL

[Last Time Lord]

Was "Phil" going on and on about  his poor antagonist a nod to the overall general negative reaction to Vandal Savage last season?

[MarkHB]

9 minutes ago, TDT said:

and was there a "Wilhelm Scream" by Merlyn after Amaya threw him? LOL

I don't know, but Rip certainly let out a high-pitched shriek at one point.

6 minutes ago, Last Time Lord said:

Was "Phil" going on and on about  his poor antagonist a nod to the overall general negative reaction to Vandal Savage last season?

It may well have been, but my favorite Easter egg was when Nate said he got the "Legion of Doom" name from an old Hanna-Barbera cartoon he liked as a kid.  So did I, Nate, so did I....

[Last Time Lord]

3 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

It may well have been, but my favorite Easter egg was when Nate said he got the "Legion of Doom" name from an old Hanna-Barbera cartoon he liked as a kid.  So did I, Nate, so did I....

 

I did, too. Only I would watched on Cartoon Network, when they marathoned the episodes during Summer Vacation.

[benteen]

26 minutes ago, TDT said:

I wonder if the first movie they watched was either THX-1138 or American Graffiti..

and was there a "Wilhelm Scream" by Merlyn after Amaya threw him? LOL

Yes, I heard it too.

[kathyk24]

I loved the Stein and Rory scenes. I'm glad Mick is trying to cope with Leonard's death. When I hear Legion of Doom I think about pro wrestling and the Road Warriors.

[tarotx]

It was another episode that used the cast really well. It was funny and had some good drama too :) I loved Captian Lance and Holy Lance <3 It's great to have Rip back and it was sweet that Sara told him he saved her. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by tarotx

[Wishing Well]

"Help me George Lucas, whoever the fuck you are...you're my only ho"

[thuganomics85]

This might have been the most ridiculous episode yet.  And by ridiculous, I mean most balls to wall, hilariously awesome episode!  The team has to make convince a young George Lucas to go back into filmmaking because his absence means Ray and Nate will be pretty much useless to the team?  Martin playing Mick's therapist and even operating on him?!  An entire meta moment, where the show basically just craps all over Vandal Savage and how much better Malcolm and Damien are?!!  Really, only thing that would have been more awesomely on the nose would have been if one of the two killed the Vandal Savage actor like they were taking out the garbage.

Interesting that Rip isn't actually undercover or anything, but actually has lost his memories due to touching that device that helped him escape and teleport to the 1967.  Arthur Darvill was great in all of those scenes.  Do feel bad for the fellow though now that he's in the "Legion of Doom"'s clutches.

As much as I enjoy both Malcolm and Damien, Eobard is just on another level.  I just love how there is all of this great back and forth action, and then he can just zip in and completely wreck everything.  Plus, he's pretty much the one calling the show.  Really digging him.  Matt Letscher is totally owning this role.

Liked the pairing in this one.  Obviously, Mick and Martin were a hoot and a half, but I enjoyed the scenes between Sara and Jax too.  Even the Amaya/Ray/Nate trio was fun, even if it a lot it was Amaya almost becoming the responsible adult with the two goofy kids.  Those two can't help themselves, can they?

Damien and Malcolm aren't completely evil: apparently, they are the ones who inspire the garbage chute scene in A New Hope!

Welcome back, Legends of Tomorrow, you goofy, crazy, silly, awesome show!

[statsgirl]

I used to think that this was the best of the Flarrowverse shows because it used all the many regular characters so well.  Now I want to add that it's also because it's funny, smart and both of its female characters are not only kickass, they play major roles on the show (Flash, I'm looking at you.

2 hours ago, Miss Dee said:

All that said: this show is forgiven *everything* for throwing shade at their own Vandal Savage storyline from last season. Okay, show. We cool.

In a show full of "Did they just do that?" moments, including the trash compacter scene from Star Wars, that was the best moment.

I wonder if meeting the crew of the Wave Rider cause George Lucas to make a sci fi film for his graduation from film school....

[Wishing Well]

I always did notice that the Millennium Falcon and the Waverider are shaped...similarly. 

[futurechemist]

This episode was fun.  I enjoyed myself while watching the show.  But after it was over and I thought about what I just watched, I was disappointed. I'm sensing a pattern.  Merlyn and Darkh go toe to toe with the Legends.  The Legends have nearly finished them off.  And then Reverse Flash comes along and trounces everyone without breaking a sweat.  Why does Reverse Flash need the other villains?  It's the same problem with the Legends.  Firestorm can transmute matter.  Heat Wave has a flamethrower.  No contest.  Which is why there are so many episodes where Stein and Jax are forced apart, or Reverse Flash is off doing personal stuff.

I mean, that's not unique to this show.  Any superhero show, comic, or movie has that problem (Storm can control weather, while Wolverine has sharp claws).  So the key is how well the writers can write their way around the problem.  And as fun as the show can be, I don't think the writers are doing a good job with it..

[yellowfred]

I kind of love that, even without his memories, Rip can still come up with a half baked plan that kind of saves the day (almost).  Also, while I feel the whole "everyone makes reaction faces to the fact that Rip still doesn't have his memories and also can't operate a gun" thing went on a little longer than it should have, I still really enjoyed it.  I do wish we'd gotten to hear more about the movie that he was writing (where Sara's the hero!).  

Also, I haven't been the biggest fan of Ray and Nate together, but adding Amaya into the mix as a sort of foil worked really well.  As much as I've liked a lot of her stuff with Mick, I was getting a little tired of her having scenes with just him the past few episodes.  It's always nice when they mix it up a little.

On a side note, is that the first mention we've had of Ray's multiple PhD's?  What does he even have them in?  Why would he need four?  I know it's basically TV shorthand for "this person is really smart," but no one needs four PhD's.  

[Cthulhudrew]

Wow. The hair and makeup teams working on Flarrowverse shows have always had this penchant for getting really bad, really fake wigs for the cast, but now it looks like they've graduated to awful beards as well. It almost feels like they are deliberately not trying, just to keep consistent. 

[squidprincess]

3 hours ago, yellowfred said:

I kind of love that, even without his memories, Rip can still come up with a half baked plan that kind of saves the day (almost).  Also, while I feel the whole "everyone makes reaction faces to the fact that Rip still doesn't have his memories and also can't operate a gun" thing went on a little longer than it should have, I still really enjoyed it.  I do wish we'd gotten to hear more about the movie that he was writing (where Sara's the hero!).  

To be fair, Phil's plan actually did work.  He just had to bring Gideon in for the last bit.  :-)  The gun moment did last just a little too long but I found Sara's face, when she realized that Rip wasn't himself still, oddly heartwrenching.

[Sakura12]

I'm going to pretend that to mess with them Gideon chooses the Prequels. 

I do like that Rip's subconscious sees Sara has the hero of the story. Hopefully he let's get keep the leader role since the team respects her more then they ever respected him. Only Sara really seemed worried about him, Jax was more worried about her and the rest of the team were more worried about themselves. 

[kirinan]

10 hours ago, MarkHB said:

It may well have been, but my favorite Easter egg was when Nate said he got the "Legion of Doom" name from an old Hanna-Barbera cartoon he liked as a kid.  So did I, Nate, so did I....

And of course, your clip comes complete with...Captain Cold!

 I think this is my favorite episode since Snart "died" (quote marks referring to Stein's theory that there are little Snarty bits all over the universe). I lost track of how many times I laughed out loud. And I'm so happy to have Rip back! When he turned back into the Rip we know I knew it had to be a fake-out, but I hoped...

Now please get Snart back into the mix--even as a villain again--and I'll be a happy girl.

Edited January 25, 2017 by kirinan

[squidprincess]

1 hour ago, Sakura12 said:

I'm going to pretend that to mess with them Gideon chooses the Prequels. 

I do like that Rip's subconscious sees Sara has the hero of the story. Hopefully he let's get keep the leader role since the team respects her more then they ever respected him. Only Sara really seemed worried about him, Jax was more worried about her and the rest of the team were more worried about themselves. 

You're doing a big discredit to the rest of the team.  At the beginning, we had Jax and Ray being concerned.  We had Martin looking delighted when Sara told him they found Rip, his attitude in the police station, and the infirmary later when they found out exactly what Rip must have done to himself.  We had Jax apparently actually reading that script (the non-lethal weapon line should not have been as funny as it was, but Franz really delivered it well).  The whole reason Ray realized he had a problem was because he was trying to use his science skills to help with Rip's situation and couldn't.  

After that, Ray and Nate were more focused on their own problems, but that's understandable.  Rip was safe in the infirmary, while their own, useful skills were suddenly compromised.  But at the end, they were even about to forgo movie night because of what was happening with Rip, until Gideon convinced them otherwise.  And of course Jax was worried about Sara, anyone would be.  That doesn't mean he wasn't worried about Rip too, it just means that Sara is the person he can help right now.

And none of that is remotely relevant to who should be the leader (which is also not the same as the hero of the story either).  But that question probably won't be on the table for a fairly long time.  Rip doesn't seem like he'll be in any shape to command the Waverider for quite a while, even if he wanted to.

[Jediknight]

A world with no Star Wars, Indiana Jones, or Willow?  That would be, well, words can't describe it.  And yeah, Indiana Jones and Star Wars inspired a lot of people to become scientists, historians, pilots, inventors, and archaeologists.  I did laugh at George Lucas being in control of the Spear of Destiny.

Gideon chose A New Hope, notice how they didn't mention it when they were talking about what to watch after.  The correct answer to the question of what to watch, is to watch them all.  And Amaya, prepare to have your mind blown and be in complete awe, of the greatness.

I enjoyed the episode.  You had the George Lucas stuff, Rip as Phil, Jefferson geeking out about being in Rip's movie, Malcolm having to go see Frank Sinatra's star on the Walk of Fame, and Sara being the big damn hero of Rip's film.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Jediknight

[darkestboy]

Rip basically did a little Human Nature on himself. This Phil persona was pretty fun throughout the episode and I loved his reactions to both the gang and the Legion themselves.

Sara snarking on the name Legion of Doom made me laugh, though I love that she had no problem with referring to the Spear of Destiny as the Holy Lance though.

The George Lucas stuff worked well enough, but only because we had Amaya to temper out both Nate and Ray's worser excesses to be honest.

I liked the subplot with Stein and Mick re Snart too, 8/10

Edited January 25, 2017 by darkestboy

[mrspidey]

I liked the meta acknowledgement that Vandal Savage was a horribly miscast villain.

Edited January 25, 2017 by mrspidey

[marketdoctor]

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On a side note, is that the first mention we've had of Ray's multiple PhD's?

I think so.  It might have been a Quantum Leap reference (though Sam had six advanced degrees), but I only know one person IRL with more than two, and they were a different breed.

I loved the goofy elements and the Lucas shout-outs; especially the trash compactor and the pole.  (In this case I wondered why they couldn't keep climbing as the trash compacted, though that would have made it harder to find the spear.)

Torturing Rip at the end was very cartoonish as well, like the old trope about a blow to the head to reduce amnesia (it goes the other way and can make it much worse.)

[ChelseaNH]

"You're our only hope."

I LOVE YOU, SHOW!

[SnoGirl]

25 minutes ago, ChelseaNH said:

"You're our only hope."

I LOVE YOU, SHOW!

Did anyone count how many references there were to Star Wars and Indiana Jones in this episode? We had:

1) Amaya and the "you're our only hope" line

2) The Dumpster scene (George Lucas was totally Chewie right)

3) The fact that it was Amaya and the boys working with George escaping and then they're eventually joined by two more like in A New Hope when they're rescuing Leia and the droids join them.

4) The blasters everyone apparently had (seriously, the nosie sounded just like the Star Wars Blasters)

5) I kinda think Rip with his gun scene was homage to Indiana Jones gun versus the sword fight

6) Chasing the Spear of Destiny is very Indiana Jones

Was there more?

[Sakura12]

I'm taking the Malcolm and Darhk being terrible shots with their laser guns as a homage to the storm troopers. 

[Lady Calypso]

I loved the Jax/Sara scenes. They work well as a brother-sister relationship. 

I loved seeing Rip/Phil back. I've missed Arthur Darvill so even if he's just back as Phil for a while, at least he gets to be back. I do feel bad for him in that he is going to get tortured by Malcolm and Damien. They have experience in torture so poor Phil is not going to have an easy time. His reactions toward the team were well done, though. He sold his complete fear and disbelief, but I do love that they showed that Rip is still a part of him, and that he can be brought back. I love that he wrote Sara as Sandra, the leader of the team, even with him in the story as well. It gives me hope that Sara will remain at least co-captain when he returns.

Speaking of hope, I love the Amaya/Ray/Nate team-up to help George Lucas become a film director. I love that Amaya used a Star Wars line without knowing it. She is really a vital aspect to the team. I appreciate that this show uses the ensemble piece well, unlike all other ensembles. They actually mix up the pairings. Jax/Sara is a pairing we don't see often but is now proven to work well. Mick/Stein also worked well. I did laugh at Sara/Jax walking by Stein performing brain surgery. Ridiculous yet hilarious. 

The Legion of Doom is apparently only successful with Eobard Thawne. Not surprising, since he has all the powers necessary to win a fight.  

[KirkB]

20 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

The Legion of Doom is apparently only successful with Eobard Thawne. Not surprising, since he has all the powers necessary to win a fight.

Not only that, look at their track records. Malcolm and Dark tried and failed to defeat Oliver Queen. Dark even paid for his failure with his life. Malcolm gave up a hand. In fact neither of them succeeded in most of their devious plans. Thawne, on the other hand, succeeded at nearly everything. He manipulated Barry and his world for years, and very nearly made it home. He would have killed everyone on team Flash at the end if not for his own ancestor. He managed to kill Barry's mom twice, the second time with Barry's help, and in doing so secured his own freedom. I imagine he's only using Malcolm and Dark now because he needs marginally competent cannon fodder to keep the Legends busy.

[kirinan]

1 hour ago, KirkB said:

Thawne, on the other hand, succeeded at nearly everything. He manipulated Barry and his world for years, and very nearly made it home. He would have killed everyone on team Flash at the end if not for his own ancestor. He managed to kill Barry's mom twice, the second time with Barry's help, and in doing so secured his own freedom. I imagine he's only using Malcolm and Dark now because he needs marginally competent cannon fodder to keep the Legends busy.

I don't want Thawne to become the Sylar of Legends. I stopped watching Heroes after the first season because I was so disgusted with the fact that Sylar just could not be beaten. And that's the way I'm starting to feel about Thawne. I don't need an instant win by the good guys--that would be boring--but I also don't want my villains uber-powerful. I need to be able to see my heroes get the best of him every so often. And right now, Thawne seems too invincible. 

Edited January 25, 2017 by kirinan

[KirkB]

4 minutes ago, kirinan said:

And right now, Thawne seems too invincible.

The problem is, without another speedster around, he kind of is.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

So if George Lucas had not directed his films, Ray would be a surgeon, but Nate would be a yoga instructor?  No insult meant to yoga instructors, but what does that say about Nate's natural intellectual curiosity versus Ray's?  It seemed like a dig.

Edited January 25, 2017 by ItCouldBeWorse

[Unclejosh]

it is funny that Barry and now Wally regularly get their asses kicked before they finally manage to defeat the villian of the week, yet Thawne has none of that type of weaknesses shown onscreen.  I hate writing like this.

[tennisgurl]

Oh Show, I missed you so much. I swear, I watched this whole episode with a big goofy grin on my face (except for the ending. Poor Rip/Phil). I mean, a whole episode that is based around convincing George Lucas to be a director, and than finding out that he has the Staff of Destiny. Yeah. This is just amazing, I just love it. This is why your my favorite, show.

Lots of great interaction between our team this week. We got lots of Jax and Sara being brother/sister, Amara as the mom to dorks Ray and Nate (although Ray seemed a little more serious than usual this episode, especially for an episode surrounding Star Wars), and even Stein and Mick were a fun pairing. That's what I love about this show (one of the things). You put any people in the group together, and you get something good. I think I've even warmed up to Nate! I love how much time they spend just having the characters hanging out, like when we see everyone in their pajamas all looking tired and a bit annoyed at being up late, Amara, Nate, and Ray having a movie night, Sara getting a pep talk from Jax, it all just feels really organic. Honestly, of all the casts in the Arrowverse these days, this is the group that gels the most naturally. And these guys have almost nothing in common beyond having weird powers/training/weapons!

Rip as a recreational drug using B movie American director in the 60s was just delightful. I have really missed Arthur Darville, and his comedic timing was on point all episode. I think I`ll actually miss Phil when he reverts back to Rip. I hope the team can get to him soon, the poor guy. He and Sara can be co-captains. I think they would be a good team. And, while I used to low key ship Snart/Sara, and just thought Rip and Sara were more friends/confidants, I can kind of see it now. He wrote her as the hero of his movie even AFTER getting his memories erased! She says how he saved her and she missed him!

Show wins more points by not so subtlety throwing shade at the whole Savage plot last year. You could almost hear the writers saying to the audience "I know we screwed up some last season, we`re trying to do better, we promise"! It takes a big show to not only admit they made mistakes, but also try to fix them. I`ll take the Legion of Doom (Superfriends for the win!) over Savage any day of the week.

[KirkB]

2 hours ago, Unclejosh said:

it is funny that Barry and now Wally regularly get their asses kicked before they finally manage to defeat the villian of the week, yet Thawne has none of that type of weaknesses shown onscreen.  I hate writing like this.

I'm not sure it is bad writing. Wally is still new and Barry gets easily distracted. Thawne, on the other hand, has both experience and focus. Speaking of experience, no one on this team has any fighting speedsters and they aren't really equipped to do so. Sure, Nate or Sara could probably take Thawne down if they got their hands on him but that's part of the problem. He can punch every one of them a hundred times before they're even aware he's in the room. My question is, why aren't they dead? Reverse Flash never killed Barry in any of their early confrontations because he needed the Flash alive for a while so his plans could work. There is no reason for him to not zip in faster than they can blink and snap their necks, except for the likelihood he must need them for something.

Edited January 25, 2017 by KirkB

[squidprincess]

Maybe he needs them to help get the other parts of the spear?  It seems like the sort of thing that might have a "pure of heart" requirement, and Eobard definitely wouldn't apply.

It's also interesting that Eobard recognized Rip.  And Rip did have an anti-speedster gun in his weird secret armory that no one even blinked at.  (I still find that funny.  It's just like this week's brain surgery interlude.  The crew is just like "...of course.")  I wonder if Rip, in his right mind, may not know a few tricks to exploit against Eobard.

Edited January 25, 2017 by squidprincess

[kdm07]

7 hours ago, Sakura12 said:

I'm taking the Malcolm and Darhk being terrible shots with their laser guns as a homage to the storm troopers. 

For so-called soldiers they do have terrible aim don't they?

Ah show, I had missed you.

[BkWurm1]

I loved this episode.  Even the gawd awful wigs and beards.  It was just a huge, non stop delight.  I really like this show but that was madcap fun at another level.  Nothing dragged, even Stein and Mick were comedic treasure.  Every week I'm again astounded at how well they use the cast, mixing and matching in such surprising ways.  

 

17 hours ago, yellowfred said:

 

On a side note, is that the first mention we've had of Ray's multiple PhD's?  What does he even have them in?  Why would he need four?  I know it's basically TV shorthand for "this person is really smart," but no one needs four PhD's.  

It was came up on Arrow previously as well.  

6 hours ago, KirkB said:

The problem is, without another speedster around, he kind of is. [unstoppable]

Which begs the biggest question, why don't they add a speedster to their own team?  But honestly, I'm enjoying the journey this time around too much to want to rush to the resolution.  

[KirkB]

14 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Which begs the biggest question, why don't they add a speedster to their own team?  But honestly, I'm enjoying the journey this time around too much to want to rush to the resolution.  

A good question. And they might have to, if they want to be able to compete with Thawne. But as far as I am aware, the only one they know about is Barry (it's unclear if they even know Wally and Jesse exist) and the Flash pretty much needs to stay where, and when, he is..

Rushing to the resolution is an ironic choice of phrase, given the topic, but I agree with you.

[TDT]

9 hours ago, SnoGirl said:

Did anyone count how many references there were to Star Wars and Indiana Jones in this episode? We had:

1) Amaya and the "you're our only hope" line

2) The Dumpster scene (George Lucas was totally Chewie right)

3) The fact that it was Amaya and the boys working with George escaping and then they're eventually joined by two more like in A New Hope when they're rescuing Leia and the droids join them.

4) The blasters everyone apparently had (seriously, the nosie sounded just like the Star Wars Blasters)

5) I kinda think Rip with his gun scene was homage to Indiana Jones gun versus the sword fight

6) Chasing the Spear of Destiny is very Indiana Jones

Was there more?

The aforementioned "Wilhelm Scream" by Merlyn when Amaya tossed him

53 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Which begs the biggest question, why don't they add a speedster to their own team?  But honestly, I'm enjoying the journey this time around too much to want to rush to the resolution.  

Surely if there's another JSA-themed episode they may bring in Shipp as Jay Garrick..

[tennisgurl]

Other random thoughts:

If they are already back in time with George Lucas, couldn't they tell him not to invent a character named Jar Jar Binks when they got their movie memories back?

Ray should clearly wear tank tops more often. Niiiiiiice.

[Cthulhudrew]

7 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

So if George Lucas had not directed his films, Ray would be a surgeon, but Nate would be a yoga instructor?  No insult meant to yoga instructors, but what does that say about Nate's natural intellectual curiosity versus Ray's?  It seemed like a dig.

I'm not sure it was necessarily an intellectual dig, but could be. He does seem to be rather overly confident that he is physically attractive and have a healthy libido. Maybe absent other influences he thought becoming a yoga instructor would be a good way to get in with the ladies. Or had hippie parents.

I thought his inspiration for becoming a historian was his grandfather, though, not Indiana Jones? 

(EDIT: Not that it has to be one or the other necessarily, but this episode made it seem like it was all due to Indy.)

Edited January 26, 2017 by Cthulhudrew

[Chyromaniac]

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All that said: this show is forgiven *everything* for throwing shade at their own Vandal Savage storyline from last season. Okay, show. We cool.

I enjoyed the scene - but at the same time I couldn't help but feel a little sorry for Casper Crump.  Sure, "lets stop Vandal Savage" sucked last season - but I don't think it was necessarily his fault.  I wrote about this in the thread for the finale, so forgive me if I'm repeating myself - but the whole story might have gone better if they had given him anything interesting to do before maybe the last two episodes.  Instead, they basically just had him hanging out with his various minions for all eternity, waiting for the Hawks to show up so he could murder them (again).  It also didn't help that the Legends ended up looking like idiots for failing to kill him week after week.  For the producers now to suggest that was all due his casting (and calling him a "wiener dog" at the same time) felt like a cheap shot.

FWIW, I also said I would've preferred to see the Legends track Vandal on a Carmen Sandiego-esque race through time, which appears to be what we're getting this year with the LoD - so yay. ;)