Bachelor in Paradise in the Media

[RHJunkie]

Based on these newer reports that are protecting Corinne's identity - I feel very conflicted about how any of this is being handled in regards to news being reported via the press. Reports say that both parties were incredibly intoxicated. By now protecting only one party, it implicates the intentions and creates insinuations about the role of the other party. Who is deciding which party was more drunk than the other and deciding what the appropriate threshold is that would require 'too drunk to consent' on one side but not the other? The party who is now being protected is the party that also initiated the sexual advances. If the recipient was also heavily intoxicated, then the same issue applies - they may not have been in the appropriate frame of mind to consent to the sexual advances that were coming their way. Either remove both their names or keep both their names but at the end of the day, if the working story is two really drunk people were getting hot and heavy, then I don't see how one party can be considered more liable than the other.

If one (or both) of the parties watched the footage and was upset by it, from the way things stand now, I see this as more of an issue with production given the claims that production encouraged their hook up, their behaviour and supplied the flow of alcohol. If production is taking the responsibility to influence behaviour, they should have some liability in stepping in when they see that their influence has gone too far and there are circumstances at play that jeopardize the well-being to those they are influencing. Considering that the producer that took exception to what she saw didn't show up to work the next day to even approach both parties and talk to them about what happened and show them footage of what happened, I doubt her complaint was influenced by however Corinne and DeMario felt and more influenced by her own personal opinion of what she saw.

[Wings]

@RHJunkie.  Applause, I agree with all you said.  

[Bean421]

5 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Based on these newer reports that are protecting Corinne's identity - I feel very conflicted about how any of this is being handled in regards to news being reported via the press. Reports say that both parties were incredibly intoxicated. By now protecting only one party, it implicates the intentions and creates insinuations about the role of the other party. Who is deciding which party was more drunk than the other and deciding what the appropriate threshold is that would require 'too drunk to consent' on one side but not the other? The party who is now being protected is the party that also initiated the sexual advances. If the recipient was also heavily intoxicated, then the same issue applies - they may not have been in the appropriate frame of mind to consent to the sexual advances that were coming their way. Either remove both their names or keep both their names but at the end of the day, if the working story is two really drunk people were getting hot and heavy, then I don't see how one party can be considered more liable than the other.

If one (or both) of the parties watched the footage and was upset by it, from the way things stand now, I see this as more of an issue with production given the claims that production encouraged their hook up, their behaviour and supplied the flow of alcohol. If production is taking the responsibility to influence behaviour, they should have some liability in stepping in when they see that their influence has gone too far and there are circumstances at play that jeopardize the well-being to those they are influencing. Considering that the producer that took exception to what she saw didn't show up to work the next day to even approach both parties and talk to them about what happened and show them footage of what happened, I doubt her complaint was influenced by however Corinne and DeMario felt and more influenced by her own personal opinion of what she saw.

I was just coming to say this very thing! DeMario and Corrine are not the brightest, but we know Corrine has her dad (and his legal team) in her corner. I assume that's not true for DeMario, especially since his dumb ass had to talk to the press.  This is going to be incredibly messy.  Last season Chad and Lace made me very uncomfortable. Both parties were incredibly intoxicated but only one part seemed to bear the brunt of what happened. In my mind, they both should have been made to leave. 

[DEL901]

7 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Based on these newer reports that are protecting Corinne's identity - I feel very conflicted about how any of this is being handled in regards to news being reported via the press. Reports say that both parties were incredibly intoxicated. By now protecting only one party, it implicates the intentions and creates insinuations about the role of the other party. Who is deciding which party was more drunk than the other and deciding what the appropriate threshold is that would require 'too drunk to consent' on one side but not the other? The party who is now being protected is the party that also initiated the sexual advances. If the recipient was also heavily intoxicated, then the same issue applies - they may not have been in the appropriate frame of mind to consent to the sexual advances that were coming their way. Either remove both their names or keep both their names but at the end of the day, if the working story is two really drunk people were getting hot and heavy, then I don't see how one party can be considered more liable than the other.

If one (or both) of the parties watched the footage and was upset by it, from the way things stand now, I see this as more of an issue with production given the claims that production encouraged their hook up, their behaviour and supplied the flow of alcohol. If production is taking the responsibility to influence behaviour, they should have some liability in stepping in when they see that their influence has gone too far and there are circumstances at play that jeopardize the well-being to those they are influencing. Considering that the producer that took exception to what she saw didn't show up to work the next day to even approach both parties and talk to them about what happened and show them footage of what happened, I doubt her complaint was influenced by however Corinne and DeMario felt and more influenced by her own personal opinion of what she saw.

I think one issue might be that DeMario gave an interview to TMZ and gave details.  He basically outed himself.

[Alapaki]

8 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Good point that she might have been fired or asked to step down from being involved with the situation at hand.  

The other interesting thing in that regard is the mention in the most recent story about the producer never having been shown the footage.  That suggests she wasn't back on-set.  Either voluntarily or not, we don't know.  But you'd think that Production would've at least tried to "interview" her, however informally, including getting her (no pun intended) blow-by-blow narration of what the video showed.

Ultimately, I'm not familiar with Mexican law related to rape, or the role that intoxication plays in that law.  I also don't know who much interest a local prosecutor and court would have in devoting time and resources to deal with something like this from a foreign TV show that comes there to film people making asses of themselves (at least, that might be how the local authorities see it).  And, if Corrine and DeMario are back in the States, then I'd say the likelihood of a criminal prosecution is nil.

That leaves the potential for a civil suit between some combination of DiMario, Corrine and Production.  I think it's safe to say that someone from Production is working very hard right now to reach a resolution that would curtail any such suit.

[Wings]

2 minutes ago, Alapaki said:

The other interesting thing in that regard is the mention in the most recent story about the producer never having been shown the footage.  That suggests she wasn't back on-set.  Either voluntarily or not, we don't know.  But you'd think that Production would've at least tried to "interview" her, however informally, including getting her (no pun intended) blow-by-blow narration of what the video showed.

Ultimately, I'm not familiar with Mexican law related to rape, or the role that intoxication plays in that law.  I also don't know who much interest a local prosecutor and court would have in devoting time and resources to deal with something like this from a foreign TV show that comes there to film people making asses of themselves (at least, that might be how the local authorities see it).  And, if Corrine and DeMario are back in the States, then I'd say the likelihood of a criminal prosecution is nil.

That leaves the potential for a civil suit between some combination of DiMario, Corrine and Production.  I think it's safe to say that someone from Production is working very hard right now to reach a resolution that would curtail any such suit.

 

I read, and we know there is a ton of false info out there, that the press contacted the local police and they knew nothing about it.  They got them all on a plane home very quickly and I assume that was to avoid any problems in Mexico or any further hoopla at the resort.  

If it is true that the producer in question did not see the tape, it probably means she removed herself from this show or production did.  I agree that nothing criminal happened here.  No gun, no knife and too drunk for rape to occur without drowning.    :^) 

[Martinigirl]

With one exception...I believe the contestants have handlers to look after them. 

[RHJunkie]

10 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

I think one issue might be that DeMario gave an interview to TMZ and gave details.  He basically outed himself.

Oh I wasn't aware that he gave the interview firsthand. When I read the recap, I thought it was supposedly sources close to DeMario was retelling the story that he supposedly told them. If he do an interview after the fact, then you're right, there's no need for the media to protect his identity. But they should take some responsibility in sharing the information they do know in a way that isn't suggesting that one party was too drunk to consent. It's not difficult to say that both parties were heavily intoxicated and it is unknown if either were in the right frame of mind to consent to each other's behaviour.

[Martinigirl]

Newest rumor...Corrine filed suit against the producer and the producer filed suit against ABC

[truthaboutluv]

Just now, Martinigirl said:

Newest rumor...Corrine filed suit against the producer and the producer filed suit against ABC

Wouldn't it be something. The woman the producers encouraged and facilitated in all her outrageous behavior because "Team Corn/Corrine is so entertaining/etc." ends up bringing down their whole franchise. 

[JudyObscure]

2 hours ago, Alapaki said:

 And consensually getting shit-faced is not the same as consenting to whatever follows.

That's true, but from what I've read (which, granted, could all be wrong) and  from what we saw of Corinne repeatedly on the Nick show*, the instigator was always Corinne.  If Demario was drunk (and by several accounts he was too drunk to perform) and Corinne then took off her clothes and  pushed herself in his face.  Who was assaulting who?

* Corinne on top,  wrapping herself around Nick in the bouncy house, Corinne with the whipped cream on her chest, pulling Nick's face down as he resisted, Corinne taking off her top in the pool with Nick and putting his hands over them.

[Alapaki]

So TMZ now has Corinne's version, which is that she claims to have been black-out drunk and unable to remember anything that happened on that first day.  The next day other cast members started talking to her about what happened in the pool, and allegedly said they tried to get Production to intervene.  Production denies any cast member saying anything to them.

Corrine acknowledges that DiMario himself was too drunk to act responsibly, but she blames Production for allowing it to get there.

According to TMZ, people who've seen the footage all say that Corrine seems "lucid" and in control during the pool antics.

So that fills in the picture a little bit.  

As far as motivations, Corrine "exonerating" DiMario may not mean much, as Production is (as we lawyers would say) the "deep pocket" here.

It will be interesting to see what other cast members say.  Those who want to continue on the Fleiss gravy-train and have made "membership in Bachelor Nation" their full-time career have an obvious incentive to back the show and throw Corrine under the bus.  So, if one or more of them back up her story (especially the part about trying to get Production to intervene) that will be interesting. 

[Adeejay]

Something like this was bound to happen; it was just a matter of time.  Based on what I’ve been reading online, a lot of folks seem to think the fact that he is a black male and she is a Caucasian female was a huge factor as to the reaction.  Some seem to believe that if the races and genders were reversed, no one would bat an eye.  This may very well be true, however, I believe it had more to do with alcohol. 

[backformore]

People can be drunk, and appear to know what they're doing, and make choices, then the next day have a black-out, and not recall anything that they did or said. 

A blackout doesn't mean the person was passed out, only that they lost memory of what happened. 

All of this sounds like a continuation of what happened on the Bachelor.  Corrine was encouraged by producers (she didn't go to the store and buy whipped cream, didn't rent a bouncy castle)  to be sexually aggressive with Nick.  She prided herself on their actions, bragged about it.  She also appeared drunk much of the time, missed rose ceremonies because she was "napping".  Yeah, I totally believe that the producers wanted more of that outrageousness and encouraged it.

As for the producer who objected -  I wonder if she heard other production staff talking about Corrine, or viewing the videos, and was unhappy with the level of disrespect shown by the producers toward her.  Perhaps her complaint was about how the video was being dealt with.

[CindyBee]

9 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

Something like this was bound to happen; it was just a matter of time.  Based on what I’ve been reading online, a lot of folks seem to think the fact that he is a black male and she is a Caucasian female was a huge factor as to the reaction.  Some seem to believe that if the races and genders were reversed, no one would bat an eye.  This may very well be true, however, I believe it had more to do with alcohol. 

 

If Chad hadn't found "love" with some internet model, I totally believe he would have been the one in the pool as you know they would have set up him to be Corinne's "man" in paradise this season.  So I don't think this has anything to do with race, just production getting two notorious contestants together that just happen to be black & white.

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

Either remove both their names or keep both their names but at the end of the day, if the working story is two really drunk people were getting hot and heavy, then I don't see how one party can be considered more liable than the other.

A billion times this! It is a fascinating reflection on society that very few if any people are talking about how bad they feel for DeMario being taken advantage of while he was wasted. It's all about poor little Corinne who is a female and therefore can't be held responsible for drinking herself into oblivion. The double standard is the worst part of this for me. As a woman I find it insulting to think that I am less responsible for taking care of myself than a man is.

If neither of them remember what happened then they were both too drunk to consent. They are both responsible for getting so drunk they don't remember what they did and production is responsible for sitting back and taping it like it was a porno. The whole situation is quite disgusting. Thing is, this can't possibly be the first time two too drunk idiots had fucked on the set of one of these shows. What is making this one news?

[truthaboutluv]

Just now, backformore said:

Yeah, I totally believe that the producers wanted more of that outrageousness and encouraged it.

Yup and it's about to bite them in the ass. So who wants to take bets on how soon this shows up as a storyline on UnReal?

[HunterHunted]

19 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

A billion times this! It is a fascinating reflection on society that very few if any people are talking about how bad they feel for DeMario being taken advantage of while he was wasted. It's all about poor little Corinne who is a female and therefore can't be held responsible for drinking herself into oblivion. The double standard is the worst part of this for me. As a woman I find it insulting to think that I am less responsible for taking care of myself than a man is.

If neither of them remember what happened then they were both too drunk to consent. They are both responsible for getting so drunk they don't remember what they did and production is responsible for sitting back and taping it like it was a porno. The whole situation is quite disgusting. Thing is, this can't possibly be the first time two too drunk idiots had fucked on the set of one of these shows. What is making this one news?

What I've read is that people on set told Corinne's producer that she and DeMario were too drunk for the sexual conduct and for it to be filmed. Corinne's producer contacted the higher ups on location with her concerns and she was ignored. She then filed a misconduct and hostile work environment claim with Warner Brothers probably partially because she didn't want to be retaliated against and maybe as an end run around who making decisions on location. 

The stuff in italics is my speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if the producer was fully aware of the Tanya situation on The Challenge and was being preemptive with her complaint. Bunim Murray has been filming in foreign countries for decades to make it that much hard to call the police.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bachelor-paradise-canceled-cast-sent-home-investigation-abc-set-1012390

[backformore]

18 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

Thing is, this can't possibly be the first time two too drunk idiots had fucked on the set of one of these shows. What is making this one news?

maybe that it was the setting - not in a bedroom with a night vision camera, but in the pool, in front of everyone.  Maybe that the two of them were obviously drunk, to the point that someone should have intervened instead of just enjoying the spectacle and taping it.  

And of course, Corrine saying the next day that it was not consensual.  as soon as that has been said, you can't air it on TV. 

The TMZ story mentioned that Corrine never would have consented, because she HAS A BOYFRIEND.   WTF?  what is she doing on a show that is supposed to be about "finding love in paradise?"  Corrine is not well.  Anyone who saw her on The Bachelor, could see that she was an immature girl who would do anything for attention. 

The fact that it was the "plot"  of the episode to have these two hook up, says to me that it was set up by producers, encouraging the two by providing drinks, and then they didn't put a stop to it when it went too far.  

[fib]

1 hour ago, JudyObscure said:

That's true, but from what I've read (which, granted, could all be wrong) and  from what we saw of Corinne repeatedly on the Nick show*, the instigator was always Corinne.  If Demario was drunk (and by several accounts he was too drunk to perform) and Corinne then took off her clothes and  pushed herself in his face.  Who was assaulting who?

* Corinne on top,  wrapping herself around Nick in the bouncy house, Corinne with the whipped cream on her chest, pulling Nick's face down as he resisted, Corinne taking off her top in the pool with Nick and putting his hands over them.

You can do all of the following:

1) instigate sexual conduct without givinn permission for actual sex

2) have a healthy, aggressive sex life with one person without that meaning everyone can have a ride

3) be unreasonably drunk and horny drunk without granting permission for someone to have sex with you because you are too drunk to give permission  

Corinne may be (or simply play at being) promiscuous, but she may still be a victim here.  MAY. So may DeMario.  I can honestly say I have no idea what happened but I dont like the idea that because she can be sexually aggressive sometimes, she cant be victimized   

Also, the producer may have been belittled, yelled at, called names, etc for trying to intervene to stop what s/he thought was wrong, when production thought it was great tv/entertainment.  If so, s/he could reasonably have felt like s/he was in a hostile workplace, even if s/he is a sex positive person who felt confortable with the general premise of the show.  

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[ljenkins782]

43 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

2 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Either remove both their names or keep both their names but at the end of the day, if the working story is two really drunk people were getting hot and heavy, then I don't see how one party can be considered more liable than the other.

A billion times this! It is a fascinating reflection on society that very few if any people are talking about how bad they feel for DeMario being taken advantage of while he was wasted. It's all about poor little Corinne who is a female and therefore can't be held responsible for drinking herself into oblivion. The double standard is the worst part of this for me. As a woman I find it insulting to think that I am less responsible for taking care of myself than a man is.

If neither of them remember what happened then they were both too drunk to consent. They are both responsible for getting so drunk they don't remember what they did and production is responsible for sitting back and taping it like it was a porno. The whole situation is quite disgusting. Thing is, this can't possibly be the first time two too drunk idiots had fucked on the set of one of these shows. What is making this one news?

This is bugging me too. IF (and obviously, a big if at this point since not much is known) the story TMZ ran earlier is true, she got naked and put her genitals in his face and oral sex ensued...well, what else could he take her action to mean? "Hey, look at this"?? If they were already making out and she went there, it seems like a fairly logical conclusion. 

And if they were both that drunk, I don't see how one person can be expected to take more responsibility than the other. 

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People can be drunk, and appear to know what they're doing, and make choices, then the next day have a black-out, and not recall anything that they did or said. 

A blackout doesn't mean the person was passed out, only that they lost memory of what happened. 

All of this sounds like a continuation of what happened on the Bachelor.  Corrine was encouraged by producers (she didn't go to the store and buy whipped cream, didn't rent a bouncy castle)  to be sexually aggressive with Nick.  She prided herself on their actions, bragged about it.  She also appeared drunk much of the time, missed rose ceremonies because she was "napping".  Yeah, I totally believe that the producers wanted more of that outrageousness and encouraged it.

 

She was definitely drunk most of the time, by the end of the season, the alcohol bloat was noticeable on her figure. It was gone by ATFR because she'd returned to a normal life where she wasn't drinking 24/7. 

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I was just coming to say this very thing! DeMario and Corrine are not the brightest, but we know Corrine has her dad (and his legal team) in her corner. I assume that's not true for DeMario, especially since his dumb ass had to talk to the press.  This is going to be incredibly messy.  Last season Chad and Lace made me very uncomfortable. Both parties were incredibly intoxicated but only one part seemed to bear the brunt of what happened. In my mind, they both should have been made to leave. 

That interaction was uncomfortable too, but IIRC (and I probably don't because it was a long time ago), Lace at some point had a flash of lucidity and tried to pump the brakes. Chad had no such flash and didn't understand that the mood had changed, so he kept going, oblivious to the fact that it was no longer a 2-way street. And Chad being Chad made an enormous spectacle of himself to a lot of other people and Lace didn't. 

In this case, it doesn't sound like either one of them tried to stop whatever was happening, which makes the whole thing muddier.

[truthaboutluv]

23 minutes ago, backformore said:

The TMZ story mentioned that Corrine never would have consented, because she HAS A BOYFRIEND.   WTF?  what is she doing on a show that is supposed to be about "finding love in paradise?"  Corrine is not well. 

I'm pretty sure she had that boyfriend during Nick's season as well. 

[Riplet68]

If she's not calling "rape". Both parties should be protected. Both have said they were both too drunk to actually complete the act. A girl who puts her genitals in a guys face should expect repercussions. 

Im amazed someone hasn't died, andcrally, how close do you think Chad came to dying if he was so far gone he crapped himself?  TPTB really need to know when to step in on these drunk people

[fib]

22 minutes ago, Riplet68 said:

 

Im amazed someone hasn't died, andcrally, how close do you think Chad came to dying if he was so far gone he crapped himself?  TPTB really need to know when to step in on these drunk people

Very, considering he was so close to several places he could have drowned. Had he decided to go for a dip in the ocean or dive in the pool, he could have drowned in the condition he was in.  

[ByTor]

4 hours ago, alannaofdoom said:

Or, ABC and the show have put the participants in some kind of legal trouble - and potential physical danger - by creating an environment in which participants are pressured to drink past the point of safety. Yes they're adults and they've signed contracts and waivers and what-not, but there's a limit to what that covers. 

I have quite often wondered how they get away with this.  They do encourage heavy alcohol consumption with, from what I hear, not much food, yet these contestants are in/around pools & hot tubs the whole time.  IMO it's a small miracle there hasn't at the very least been a near-drowning.  The fact is, they pushed so many limits to get better ratings, and now it's biting them in the ass big time.  

ETA: I just saw @fib's comment about drowning as well...doesn't anyone in production consider that this is a serious possibility?

Edited June 12, 2017 by ByTor

[Alapaki]

39 minutes ago, Riplet68 said:

If she's not calling "rape". Both parties should be protected. Both have said they were both too drunk to actually complete the act. A girl who puts her genitals in a guys face should expect repercussions.

I haven't seen her quoted using the word "rape".  But I have seen her quoted as saying that she doesn't believe she had the capacity to consent to whatever happened in that pool.  And from all of the reports, there was digital and oral penetration, which constitutes rape under most states' statutes. (I realize this was in Mexico).

From what I understand, the law is still evolving in how it handles situations where both people are apparently drunk out of their minds (this comes up a lot in campus rape cases).  But as far as I know, the mere fact that an alleged rapist was voluntarily drunk is not a sufficient legal excuse (although it may factor into the severity of the sentence).

As I stated earlier, in all likelihood there's never going to be a criminal proceeding over this.  So all of those definitions are largely academic.

But the fact remains that a group of sober adults looked on while something that they believed was wrong (and possibly illegal) went on without stopping it. 

[ljenkins782]

3 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Based on these newer reports that are protecting Corinne's identity - I feel very conflicted about how any of this is being handled in regards to news being reported via the press. Reports say that both parties were incredibly intoxicated. By now protecting only one party, it implicates the intentions and creates insinuations about the role of the other party. Who is deciding which party was more drunk than the other and deciding what the appropriate threshold is that would require 'too drunk to consent' on one side but not the other? The party who is now being protected is the party that also initiated the sexual advances. If the recipient was also heavily intoxicated, then the same issue applies - they may not have been in the appropriate frame of mind to consent to the sexual advances that were coming their way. Either remove both their names or keep both their names but at the end of the day, if the working story is two really drunk people were getting hot and heavy, then I don't see how one party can be considered more liable than the other.

 

Yahoo's doing a bang up job of protecting Corinne's identity*, here is the Yahoo homepage: 

Then the article inside goes on to say "DeMario Jackson" all over the place with "a female contestant" in place of Corrine. Guess Yahoo thinks we're as stupid as their writers and won't put the photo together with the article? 

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*Clearly no one is concerned about his identity, as his name and photo are splashed all over the place. Seems irresponsible in such an early stage of the investigation if they don't know yet that he did anything wrong. 

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The contestants are paid a stipend which is contingent on how many episodes they last, usually between $8,000 and $15,000. The source tells PEOPLE that they will all likely get that money, but no prize money.

The result: several angry contestants. “We’re pissed that this whole thing happened,” says the contestant. “They could have stopped this before it got this far.”

“We all feel used,” the contestant says. “We’re pissed off. People had planned their lives around this. Contestants quit their jobs for this. We all had to step away from our real lives for three weeks.” 

 

Yes, I'm sure career paths were destroyed for the chance at 3 weeks on TV. Also, there's prize money for BiP? For what?? A fake engagement? 

[poopchute]

Jobs?!

[aw86]

Who would be stupid enough to quit a job for Bachelor in Paradise?

[ByTor]

39 minutes ago, ljenkins782 said:

“We all feel used,” the contestant says.

The thing is, though, appearing on this train-wreck consists of them being used!

[snarts]

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Oh I wasn't aware that he gave the interview firsthand. When I read the recap, I thought it was supposedly sources close to DeMario was retelling the story that he supposedly told them. 

You're correct.  From the original TMZ post "Here's DeMario's version of events, as told by people with whom he spoke:"  Someone close to him contacted TMZ and quoted him.  Unfortunately, that's now being lost in the news story.  I feel bad for him because regardless his name will now forever be associated with sexual assault and those quotes, which he may or may not have actually said.

I suspect that he's going to be the fall guy in a shakedown of Warner Bros.  

[ByTor]

@hnygrl made a good point in the Spoiler thread 

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 if you're trashed beyond comprehension, aka black-out-drunk, you seriously can't give consent to being filmed.

Maybe that's what Corinne is saying she didn't give "consent" to...not  to whatever happened with the platinum vagine, but to being filmed.

[Alapaki]

49 minutes ago, ljenkins782 said:

The result: several angry contestants. “We’re pissed that this whole thing happened,” says the contestant. “They could have stopped this before it got this far.”

“We all feel used,” the contestant says. “We’re pissed off. People had planned their lives around this. Contestants quit their jobs for this. We all had to step away from our real lives for three weeks.”

This is worth remembering if/when cast members start coming out taking the show's side in this. 

[Wings]

I am curious how the producer filed a law suit from Mexico that very day or the next.  I doubt this could be done in one quick phone call.   I tend to believe that is false.  Filed a complaint with production, perhaps.   I am betting nothing will come of this.  Warner Bros had to cancel the show put on an investigation hoping to avoid litigation.  

I don't believe reports claiming Corinne has made any statements or filed any law suits.   Her dad surly hired a lawyer and he told her not talk to anyone.   

[Mabinogia]

3 minutes ago, snarts said:

I feel bad for him because regardless his name will now forever be associated with sexual assault and those quotes, which he may or may not have actually said.

I suspect that he's going to be the fall guy in a shakedown of Warner Bros.  

This is what bothers me most. Corinne will get to be the victim, fake protected by having her name removed from all media about it while DeMario's name is all over the place (probably cause his daddy can't afford to protect him the way hers can. It's obvious who Warner Bros is going to go after if they need to point the finger. Our society already feels like girls shouldn't be held responsible for putting themselves in a state where they can't consent (a state Corinne put herself in) so DeMario is going to take the brunt of all of this. Not that he is blameless. He, too, got so drunk he put himself in this situation. they are both basically too stupid to live. but she's got money, and is a pretty girl, so she's going to come out of this much better than he will. The show will come out of this just fine once they are done running DeMario over with the bus.

[backformore]

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You can do all of the following:

1) instigate sexual conduct without givinn permission for actual sex

Sure. BUT - do both parties have to SAY "I give permission?"

Because I'm kind of thinking that making out with someone while naked is usually going to be taken as the equivalent of permission.

[Armchair Critic]

Chad is probably saying "and you thought I was a problem?"

[ByTor]

8 minutes ago, backformore said:

Because I'm kind of thinking that making out with someone while naked is usually going to be taken as the equivalent of permission.

And until I hear that Corinne said "no", pushed him off her, or did anything else to indicate she wanted things to stop, I will say that "consent" was not the issue.  Was drunk Demario supposed to automatically know that drunk Corinne was too drunk to consent?

Edited June 12, 2017 by ByTor

[JenE4]

God damn, I'm still bitter about the Megan Wants a Millionaire contestant (possible winner) who went off and committed a murder-suicide while the show was airing and toppled the entire genre from VH-1. Now my Bachelor in Paradise is ruined?! (No disrespect to the victims in either case--but my entirely selfish immediate reaction is My Favorite Shows, Noooooo!)

So it sounds like we're not entirely sure whether a sexual assault actually occurred or perhaps a producer claiming "misconduct in the workplace" based on witnessing/being forced to encourage sexual conduct? Which, okay, shouldn't be happening in a "regular workplace," but drunken hookups is the entire premise of the show! 

[Mabinogia]

7 minutes ago, backformore said:

Sure. BUT - do both parties have to SAY "I give permission?"

Because I'm kind of thinking that making out with someone while naked is usually going to be taken as the equivalent of permission.

Yeah, unless she pushed back and said no, I see no reason for DeMario to think she wasn't consenting. He wasn't exactly thinking clearly himself. Now, the creepers hanging around sober and filming it all should probably have been a bit more concerned. In the end, though, Corinne and DeMario are responsible for what they did. It is a shame it got filmed, that's embarrassing, but many people have had too much to drink and slept with someone they probably wouldn't have. She probably is trying to save face with her boyfriend, but since the girl seems to love getting wasted, he should probably have expected something like this. I mean, the point of going to VD Paradise is to hook up for the ridicule of the viewing public.

I am most curious about the producer who filed the complaint. I'm very suspicious about that. Did she try to stop this from happening? Did she walk out that night? Was she watching as it happened? Or did she sleep on it, realize she would be the fall person, being Corinne's producer (is that a fact? I saw her referenced here as such) and decided to make a preemptive strike? If she was worried about Corinne, why didn't she show up the next day, of Corinne's sake? Whole thing is pretty shady to me. Of course, if there is anything I learned from the Bachelor Universe it is to trust absolutely nothing you see or hear and no one involved.

[gigiann]

10 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Can we have a new show?  "Bachelors in Court?"  I want to see DeMario on the stand when Corinne walks in and hear him say, "Who's this?"  I want to see Corinne testifying while munching cheese pasta.  Telling all about how they took off all their clothes in the pool and she wrapped her legs around him and the next thing she knew he was doing something,  without her consent! 

HAHhahahhehehheheeh  I love this idea!!!!  Cracking up here

[Jeanne222]

This show knew what they were getting with Corrine and DeMario with hours of footage from previous shows they were on.  Nick and Rachaels seasons.  Now they are surprised.  Surprised with all the drinking sex got out of hand with these two.  Really?

The contestants C & D knew what they were getting into...it's Bachelor In Paradise.  Free travel, lodging, food and drinks and all the sex production can tape.

It was a train wreck waiting to happen.  Wonder how Chris Harrison is holding up?  LOL

[Armchair Critic]

34 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

 

God damn, I'm still bitter about the Megan Wants a Millionaire contestant (possible winner) who went off and committed a murder-suicide while the show was airing and toppled the entire genre from VH-1

 

And I am still bitter Playing It Straight only lasted one season here. Why do they have to ruin my guilty pleasures?

[JenE4]

10 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

 

Can we have a new show?  "Bachelors in Court?"  I want to see DeMario on the stand when Corinne walks in and hear him say, "Who's this?"  I want to see Corinne testifying while munching cheese pasta.  Telling all about how they took off all their clothes in the pool and she wrapped her legs around him and the next thing she knew he was doing something,  without her consent! 

Yes! Andi as prosecutor and Rachel as defense attorney. Bachelor Nation can serve as jury and vote online for sentencing, just like for the stupid poll questions on last summer's Paradise Live After Show. For ruining our show, I'm voting for Corrine 3 months probation without Nanny Raquel's cheese pasta and a life sentence of having to slice her own cucumbers; DeMario gets a life sentence of marrying the Who's This girl. The producer gets a Ryan Putz type reenactment montage so we can see exactly what went down from her perspective.

[Zuleikha]

Remember that DeMario's account had the caveat that it is disputed. We don't know what exactly happened, and what exactly he did or Corinne did. This is even more true if DeMario's account is secondhand and not firsthand. 

If Corinne was blackout drunk, she couldn't give consent according to many state laws. I very much doubt that it was not visibly apparent that she was too drunk. DeMario sounds like he probably was too drunk as well to give consent. The law can barely handle straightforward cases of sexual assault; it does not do well with both party impairment. However, it doesn't sound like Corinne is alleging anything against DeMario; she's holding production responsible. I believe this is the morally (and possibly legally) correct approach. There were sober people capable of seeing and intervening in a non-consensual act, and in at least one version of the story, a sober person did try to intervene and was blocked by the higher ups in production. 

[Armchair Critic]

2 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

Paradise Live After Show

I forgot about that show, it would get canceled if BIP doesn't air.

*gasp* Maybe Sean Lowe will have to get a real job now. 

HAHAHAAAA who am I kidding? He and Catherine would show up for the opening of an envelope if it involved the Bachelor franchise.

[Stillhoping]

It was bound to happen as they push the boundaries on this show so much. Joe and Samantha on BIP2.   Crazy Chad and Lace last year...

Corinne may be using this to mollify her bf .. And to get big bucks. I think both she and Mario were drunk...and she seems to be the agressor

Yes producers should propably have stopped it. Criminal? I dont like Mario from what Ive seen but it seems they both were drunk. 

They should have let Corinne bring her "Nanny" !

[backformore]

Maybe there IS a reason for a grown woman to have a nanny!

[TomGirl]

7 minutes ago, backformore said:

Maybe there IS a reason for a grown woman to have a nanny!

Oooh, good one!!!

[NeverLate]

5 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

With one exception...I believe the contestants have handlers to look after them. 

Well Corrine's should tell her to lay off the alcohol, its obvious even from the bachelor, the girl has a drinking problem. Its easy to pin all this on a jerk like DeMario, but I read she was naked. MF has gone too far, starting with Chad last season getting violent. This should be called drunks behaving badly, and maybe shouldn't be on the air anymore. Jmho.

Edited June 12, 2017 by F. M.