LIVE CHAT: Election Night 2016 (11/8/2016)

[muessigkeit]

Just now, 33kaitykaity said:

I disagree.  One of the reasons I supported Bernie was polling that said he would crush Drumpf in the general.  

Didn't we all learn a thing about polls today?

[Spacecow]

2 minutes ago, aradia22 said:

My family is in the next room. They have been laughing and celebrating.

I don't even know how I would handle that. The white half of my family is probably doing the same, but they're far away. I'm just a nobody on the internet but you have my sympathy and my internet hugs. 

[Kromm]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/ (even though they are seeming SO dumb about most things in retrospect now) says that PA may be lost too. The rural areas of PA are what hasn't been counted apparently.

Even the NY Times map is showing it red now.

It was barely mathematically possible for Clinton to win before. Without PA? It's not even mathematically possible in any other combo. ANY.

[madmaverick]

I still can't believe it's really happening. 

[Keepitmoving]

Just now, meowmommy said:

Well, we now certainly know the value of polling, don't we?

LOL and the political pundits.

[MulletorHater]

I guess its apropos that our family will be visiting the African American Museum on Saturday.  

We should remember that our country as we know it died this night.

[Chicken Wing]

2 minutes ago, Keepitmoving said:

Alright, he's winning in Pennsylvania, I'm done.

Allegheny County still has most of the vote uncounted and it's a strong blue, she's ahead in the vote so far so she can still pull this one out if the margin in this county keeps up all the way through. But fuck, man. Fuck!

[candall]

15 minutes ago, scout305 said:

So to all those Bernie Bros who refused to support Hillary:

 

I was going to make a snide remark here about Susan Sarandon--who just pissed me off no end as the "celebrity political activist" who decided if it couldn't be Bernie, she'd vote for Jill Stein.

But I've read all the intervening posts and they're right--the Bernie people are going to fall back on having been "correct" all along.

Well, welcome to the result of Bernie Or Die.  Enjoy.

[backformore]

My kids - Millennials, tell me that a lot of people their age were voting for Trump as an Anti-establishment statement.  out of college, underemployed (though my kids have good jobs, their friends are kind of lazy), they don't recognize that things are better now than they were some years ago.  They see Hillary as an established politician, and are idealistic enough to think trump will make things different.

(they don't realize that different is not always better)

[katha]

1 minute ago, 33kaitykaity said:

I disagree.  One of the reasons I supported Bernie was polling that said he would crush Drumpf in the general.  

But that was polling before any kind of pushback or attacks on him or closer scrutiny that comes with a general election. And HRC had good polls against Trump as well, I don't know how much it means.

[WhitneyWhit]

My mom just called me and said that my grandfather, a veteran, took down the American flag that hangs on his front porch, he said he's ashamed.

[JunebugWA]

Maybe I can go back to Viet Nam? A communist country maybe better than a Trump presidency ? :) 

[xaxat]

The other winner.

Edited November 9, 2016 by xaxat

[Shannon L.]

I honestly don't think Bernie would have won, either.  He would have been deeply vetted and shouts of "socialist" would have been relentless. There was a huge amount of hatred for Obama and the Democrats,  plus, it's hard for a party to win a third term in the presidency.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Shannon L.

[Bastet]

Is the media still going to tell me we live in a post-feminist society?

[Rosiejuliemom]

Rosiedad has been referring to him as Supreme Overlord Trump for weeks now...I have to assume that he built the time machine even after I told him not to.

A bit of a silver lining: Joe Arpaio was voted out!

[Kromm]

5 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

Goodbye Clean Air Act, goodbye EPA, goodbye clean water, hello fossil fuels and hello fracking.

We could survive four years of reversals on that (admittedly taking another decade past that to overcome).

What we can't survive once they are gone is Medicare, Social Security, alliances with powers in Europe, Asia and South America which will be gone within a year, and this all presumes we don't get taken over by either Russia or into a nuclear conflict.

That's not even touching on abortion, gay marriage, prayer in school, teaching evolution vs. creationism, expanding gun friendly laws rather than the reverse, etc.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Kromm

[33kaitykaity]

3 minutes ago, meowmommy said:

Well, we now certainly know the value of polling, don't we?

Setting polling aside then, Sanders would've been a change candidate in a change election.   

[HumblePi]

Thank you everyone for being here along with me sharing this very unhappy night together. It's meant a lot to me to be able to voice my shock and sadness. I want everyone to know that tomorrow we'll all wake up and the sun will still be there, we'll go about our day as we usually do, nothing will be different. Let's all hope and pray that our biggest fears will never be realized.

Goodnight.

[Keepitmoving]

I mean his win really did just put the death nail into the press, what's the point in listening or reading anything they write. They really got it so wrong. 

[AmandaPanda]

Nevada Senate just went to the Democratic candidate. I'm taking that as a good sign for HRC.

[backformore]

Electoral map:

[Kromm]

4 minutes ago, backformore said:

My kids - Millennials, tell me that a lot of people their age were voting for Trump as an Anti-establishment statement.  out of college, underemployed (though my kids have good jobs, their friends are kind of lazy), they don't recognize that things are better now than they were some years ago.  They see Hillary as an established politician, and are idealistic enough to think trump will make things different.

(they don't realize that different is not always better)

I don't have the words to comment on this. I literally don't.

[Chicken Wing]

I have a chronic health condition. I have to take a specialty medication that retails for thousands of dollars per month so obviously I need quality health insurance that (a) will pay for the silly thing and (b) won't drop me for my preexisting condition so as not to have to pay for the silly thing for me.

I'm screwed. Might as well buy my wheelchair now.

[Keepitmoving]

Just now, AmandaPanda said:

Nevada Senate just went to the Democratic candidate. I'm taking that as a good sign for HRC.

How are we doing in the senate overall?

[Spacecow]

1 minute ago, Bastet said:

Is the media still going to tell me we live in a post-feminist society?

But of course! Post-feminist, post-racial, post everything. And if you don't agree, YOU'RE the bigot! I don't SEE color! There's no wage gap, it's all social justice warriors whining about their liberal arts degrees! Sexism doesn't exist! That's the mindset that won tonight. 

[Kromm]

1 minute ago, AmandaPanda said:

Nevada Senate just went to the Democratic candidate. I'm taking that as a good sign for HRC.

Um. 

What?

What difference does it make if she wins Nevada now?

[Spacecow]

6 minutes ago, backformore said:

My kids - Millennials, tell me that a lot of people their age were voting for Trump as an Anti-establishment statement.  out of college, underemployed (though my kids have good jobs, their friends are kind of lazy), they don't recognize that things are better now than they were some years ago.  They see Hillary as an established politician, and are idealistic enough to think trump will make things different.

(they don't realize that different is not always better)

I can confirm that I heard a lot of this on my college campus.

[muessigkeit]

I'm so scared for my American friends right now. I desperately want to contact them, but I don't even know what to say. "I'm so sorry your country doesn't care about you, you'll lose your health insurance, your bodily autonomy and your right to marry. *Hugs*" That just doesn't seem to cut it...

[Medicine Crow]

As a Canadian, I feel so bad for you guys!!!  Words ....

[Padma]

20 minutes ago, Cosmosgravitation said:

Michigan: Yes, but fading.

Wisconsin: No

Then it's over.

I love Hillary, but she shares some blame as do Dems in general. She hasn't been to Wisconsin since the General Election began. And this past week, ..months?...all the focus on minorities youth and women voters but no talk about attracking white working class.  I've been  so upset as Trump branded himself a working class champion--really, it's the most absurd thing ever. Yet so unchallenged by Dems. And the media too. Disgraceful. He's a con man and an elitist of elitists. Yet he succeeded in sellng 60 million people a bill of goods, essentially unchallenged.

My son says he just won Pennsylvania.

[briochetwist]

Just now, Kromm said:

I don't have the words to comment on this. I literally don't.

This. Don't they know what they've done??? There goes any attempt at better, more accessible health care, a woman's right to choose, affordable education, and IIRC gay marriage will be gone too. So fucking stupid.

[madmaverick]

2 minutes ago, Spacecow said:

But of course! Post-feminist, post-racial, post everything. And if you don't agree, YOU'RE the bigot! I don't SEE color! There's no wage gap, it's all social justice warriors whining about their liberal arts degrees! Sexism doesn't exist! That's the mindset that won tonight. 

This is post factual politics.

[alegria]

I wonder how many people who voted for that bigot will ever admit it?  They're no better than he.

[Bastet]

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But of course! Post-feminist, post-racial, post everything. And if you don't agree, YOU'RE the bigot! I don't SEE color! There's no wage gap, it's all social justice warriors whining about their liberal arts degrees! Sexism doesn't exist! That's the mindset that won tonight. 

Yep - it's those who call out sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. who are the problem, not those who engage in sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. acts.  Being a warrior for social justice is a bad thing.  We're living in the goddamned bizarro world.

[riley702]

1 minute ago, alegria said:

I wonder how many people who voted for that bigot will ever admit it?  They're no better than he.

Oh, they're gloating on social media now.

[Menrva]

Thanks all of you for being here. I'm so heartbroken I don't even know what else to say. This country isn't what I thought it was. How do I break the need to my daughters in the morning? How do I stay strong for them when I feel shattered into a million pieces? How do I not hate my fellow Americans who just elected an ignorant racist buffoon to the precidency? I'm ashamed to be an American right now. 

[backformore]

California voted to legalize recreational marijuana.  It's time for me to move west and stay stoned for 4 years.

[potatoradio]

This is beyond sickening. I'm so ashamed of what this country has just done to itself. I think I'm on a media blackout for the next two years (I can't bear to watch the coming of 1984 in my lifetime) and maybe hope that it's not too late to halt the worst of the damage at midterm elections? Provided we aren't all dead from nukes or rounded up and "detained." 

Oh my God, world, I am so fucking sorry...

Just remember -there are a LOT of us out here. Nobody's alone, though it feels that way.

[Keepitmoving]

3 minutes ago, Padma said:

Then it's over.

I love Hillary, but she shares some blame as do Dems in general. She hasn't been to Wisconsin since the General Election began. And this past week, ..months?...all the focus on minorities youth and women voters but no talk about attracking white working class.  I've been  so upset as Trump branded himself a working class champion--really, it's the most absurd thing ever. Yet so unchallenged by Dems. And the media too. Disgraceful. He's a con man and an elitist of elitists. Yet he succeeded in sellng 60 million people a bill of goods, essentially unchallenged.

My son says he just won Pennsylvania.

Yeah, whoever was calling the shots on her campaign was too full of themselves having her in FL and NC which she didn't need. She needed to be all over that blue wall.  I don't know who was responsible for this.

I don't know if it would have mattered in the end. 

Edited November 9, 2016 by Keepitmoving

[backformore]

Just now, Menrva said:

Thanks all of you for being here. I'm so heartbroken I don't even know what else to say. This country isn't what I thought it was. How do I break the need to my daughters in the morning? How do I stay strong for them when I feel shattered into a million pieces? How do I not hate my fellow Americans who just elected an ignorant racist buffoon to the precidency? I'm ashamed to be an American right now. 

Yeah -  me too.   I'm drinking this wine faster, I need to numb some of this anger.  I feel betrayed and devastated by this. 

[Kromm]

Just now, backformore said:

California voted to legalize recreational marijuana.  It's time for me to move west and stay stoned for 4 years.

You won't have medicare, social security or likely even health insurance anymore under Pres Trump, so it may be a short, if oblivious life choice...

[Rapunzel]

1 minute ago, backformore said:

California voted to legalize recreational marijuana.  It's time for me to move west and stay stoned for 4 years.

Thank goodness - I'm in San Diego and, after tonight, as soon as legally possible, we'll be on our way to pick some up. In the meantime, off to our place in the UK with a weekend in Amsterdam...

[Kromm]

2 minutes ago, potatoradio said:

This is beyond sickening. I'm so ashamed of what this country has just done to itself. I think I'm on a media blackout for the next two years (I can't bear to watch the coming of 1984 in my lifetime) and maybe hope that it's not too late to halt the worst of the damage at midterm elections? Provided we aren't all dead from nukes or rounded up and "detained." 

Oh my God, world, I am so fucking sorry...

Just remember -there are a LOT of us out here. Nobody's alone, though it feels that way.

Say what you want now.

I honestly think that the mods here probably will (and should) wind up erasing all of this (and a lot of their video links to certain comedy skits) by January so there isn't a "anti-Trump" pattern to their site visible after that.

[dcalley]

23 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

Just saw a tweet that the Dow is now lower than on 9/11 (please note I have not fact-checked this)

Tom Brokaw said that on NBC, too.

18 minutes ago, aradia22 said:

Legitimate question. If I mute mentions of him on the internet, how would that work exactly? Does it just wipe out his name or could I stop anything pertaining to him from appearing on the websites I visit?

Browser extensions probably already exist for this, but I think they only wipe out/replace his name.

 

I was on the verge of tears for quite a while and finally just broke down a few minutes ago.

[aradia22]

I am listening to the most joyful music I can right now and it's not helping. This is an unprecedented level of horrible in choosing an American president. I don't think that can be overstated. I wouldn't have been happy but I could have let a Mitt Romney victory go. THIS IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS SO DIFFERENT.

[Keepitmoving]

2 minutes ago, potatoradio said:

This is beyond sickening. I'm so ashamed of what this country has just done to itself. I think I'm on a media blackout for the next two years (I can't bear to watch the coming of 1984 in my lifetime) and maybe hope that it's not too late to halt the worst of the damage at midterm elections? Provided we aren't all dead from nukes or rounded up and "detained." 

Oh my God, world, I am so fucking sorry...

Just remember -there are a LOT of us out here. Nobody's alone, though it feels that way.

Yeah, I'm going to miss Hayes, Maddow and O'Donnell, but I can't take it. It's political news and I don't care to see a Klansman giving the state of the union address.

[Chicken Wing]

Everyone, take extra care getting out of bed in the morning, or walking down the stairs, or driving to work tomorrow. And double check for meteors. It wouldn't surprise me.

[random chance]

9 minutes ago, Keepitmoving said:

I mean his win really did just put the death nail into the press, what's the point in listening or reading anything they write. They really got it so wrong. 

That's a good point.

[RedheadZombie]

9 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

Thank you everyone for being here along with me sharing this very unhappy night together. It's meant a lot to me to be able to voice my shock and sadness. I want everyone to know that tomorrow we'll all wake up and the sun will still be there, we'll go about our day as we usually do, nothing will be different. Let's all hope and pray that our biggest fears will never be realized.

Goodnight.

I wish you were right.  But the stock market is already crashing, and I'm currently living off the remnants of my 401K.