Real Housewives in the Media

[PrincessPurrsALot]

Folks, 

A reminder: Watch What Happens Live has its own thread HERE.  Please take any discussion about WWHL to that thread.  

[Emmeline]

On 5/23/2023 at 12:51 PM, RoseAllDay said:

Googled, and all I could find was he was discharged from the Marines and “is on a new journey” — apparently that’s selling keto diet products on Amazon with Briana.

I was following Ketoculbersons for a year.  They both lost lots of weight and so did I.  They suddenly stopped keto and are following some other plan.  I no longer follow because he got weird eating raw liver and other raw meats.  I was surprised that they moved back to Oklahoma.  I don’t think he works, but yes he’s pushing some products.

[Baltimore Betty]

19 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

 I no longer follow because he got weird eating raw liver and other raw meats

Gawd, what are they feeding the kids!?

[lightninggirl]

On 6/21/2023 at 7:42 PM, Emmeline said:

I don’t think he works, but yes he’s pushing some products.

It's the Young Living oils, and she promotes them on her SM. The company has been sued by multiple people and I think has had a class action lawsuit for false claims, among other things.

[Emmeline]

On 6/21/2023 at 7:01 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

Gawd, what are they feeding the kids!?

I don’t know about the kids, but their father was eating out of a mason jar full of raw, bloody liver.  They seem to be big meat eaters.  Those kids have been moved so often.  I thought Briana was unhappy in Oklahoma but they are back there again.  

[Jst2Wld]

On 6/21/2023 at 5:01 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

Gawd, what are they feeding the kids!?

I hope they don't have any pets!

[ZettaK]

Shannon said that she broke up with John because of constant bickering. She realized she had to walk away from the relationship. But didn't John break up with her a week after filming for this season ended, and she claimed she was blindsighted? Isn't this a different narrative?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/why-shannon-beador-ex-boyfriend-john-janssen-break-up-rhoc-star-opens-healing-split

Edited June 28, 2023 by ZettaK

[FozzyBear]

On 6/27/2023 at 11:47 AM, ZettaK said:

Shannon said that she broke up with John because of constant bickering. She realized she had to walk away from the relationship. But didn't John break up with her a week after filming for this season ended, and she claimed she was blindsighted? Isn't this a different narrative?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/why-shannon-beador-ex-boyfriend-john-janssen-break-up-rhoc-star-opens-healing-split

I can never decide if Shannon is just a liar or if she convinces herself of her own bullshit and thinks she’s being honest. Either way I pretty much never believe anything she says. 

[ZettaK]

2 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

I can never decide if Shannon is just a liar or if she convinces herself of her own bullshit and thinks she’s being honest. Either way I pretty much never believe anything she says. 

Other people were aware of the constant fighting (and the drinking- John is a heavy drinker, and not a good influence on somebody who is a heavy drinker herself, something that she wants to refute). As for the changing stories, she did the same with David, as well. I think she wants to keep appearances. 

[ZettaK]

I thought it would be better to add this here, and not on the latest episode thread. Ryan and Jenn posted reels a few days ago on Jenn's IG, and his. The dick pic story changed. It's now that Ryan sent the photo to 4 people on his SnapChat. Two were his two adult children and one a friend (I assume Heather Amin who as they said decided to discuss it two years after). They also created a website, linked via his IG bio about selling hats (for now) with the dick pic logo on! I'm posting one photo, another one is of a naked Ryan with a certain area blurred. 

Edited July 16, 2023 by ZettaK

[Chatty Cake]

2 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I thought it would be better to add this here, and not on the latest episode thread. Ryan and Jenn posted reels a few days ago on Jenn's IG, and his. The dick pic story changed. It's now that Ryan sent the photo to 4 people on his SnapChat. Two were his two adult children and one a friend (I assume Heather Amin). They also created a website, linked via his IG bio about selling hats (for now) with the dick pic logo on! I'm posting one photo, another one is of a naked Ryan with a certain area blurred. 

Talk about trying to make a buck! 

[Starlight925]

@ZettaK  Ryan sent the pics to 2 of his kids???

Oh. My.

Even if that was a mistake, it's such a bad one.

The first mistake is to send D pics.

No, actually, the first mistake is to TAKE D pics.

Popcorn popping as I watch this train wreck unfold....

[Cosmocrush]

Just when you think these people can’t get any classless they add someone to lower the bar even more.  

[ZettaK]

20 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Just when you think these people can’t get any classless they add someone to lower the bar even more.  

Exactly. They even mentioned disgusting details on the reels that I won't repeat here. 

[dmeets]

I'm kinda shocked she and her middle-aged fuckboi don't have an Onlyfans yet.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, dmeets said:

I'm kinda shocked she and her middle-aged fuckboi don't have an Onlyfans yet.

Maybe they do. 🤮

[Marley]

Who would even buy those idiotic hats lol.

[ZettaK]

Heather and Terry moved already to the penthouse in Los Angeles (Century City). This photo is from a few hours ago, but I saw some photos from spring on. The Newport Coast house was sold last October for a record $55 million, but the Dubrows rented for a few weeks after that while filming the end of S17. The couple traveled a lot in spring, and summer according to their IG. The new season will start filming soon, and I wonder if Heather will participate, and if she will rent a house in the OC for a few months again. She can always film from the LA penthouse, as well.

Terry Dubrow's Botched was renewed for an 8th season. 

https://www.dirt.com/gallery/entertainers/reality-tv/heather-and-terry-dubrow-house-newport-beach-1203597868/

Edited July 18, 2023 by ZettaK

[Starlight925]

She is so freaking full of herself.

Posting a super posed picture, with a caption offering a tour of her "fabulous" new penthouse.

And she wonders why she has no real friends.  Insufferable.

[lasu]

On 7/16/2023 at 6:29 AM, ZettaK said:

The dick pic story changed. It's now that Ryan sent the photo to 4 people on his SnapChat.

FWIW, this actually sounds inline with what they said, and also managed to make more sense.  They said he sent it to everyone in his address book, and that it was only a handful of people in his contact list.  So this part actually makes sense to me.  Now, I still don't for a second believe that it was intended for Jenn.

[RoseAllDay]

On 7/18/2023 at 6:37 AM, ZettaK said:

Heather and Terry moved already to the penthouse in Los Angeles (Century City). This photo is from a few hours ago, but I saw some photos from spring on. The Newport Coast house was sold last October for a record $55 million, but the Dubrows rented for a few weeks after that while filming the end of S17. The couple traveled a lot in spring, and summer according to their IG. The new season will start filming soon, and I wonder if Heather will participate, and if she will rent a house in the OC for a few months again. She can always film from the LA penthouse, as well.

Terry Dubrow's Botched was renewed for an 8th season. 

https://www.dirt.com/gallery/entertainers/reality-tv/heather-and-terry-dubrow-house-newport-beach-1203597868/

And how many “little people” made that moment possible? 

I’ll pass, Heather. I gotta go shovel some shit. 

[ZettaK]

Heather and Terry bought the Beverly Hills estate of late director Dino De Laurentis for $16 million. It will take about three years to be renovated.

https://www.etonline.com/heather-and-terry-dubrow-buy-beverly-hills-estate-for-16-million-exclusive-208470

 

Edited July 25, 2023 by ZettaK

[Pi237]

These people 'downsize' into homes I can only dream about. Could probably fit 5 of my tiny house into their first floors. Sigh. Not a fan of all the white everywhere though, but then, they don't have to clean up after themselves or worry about living with stains-just buy a new $100,000 couch, no worries. What's that life like?!

[ZettaK]

David Beador was at his daughters' high school graduation.

[Pi237]

Wow, their girls are gorgeous. Shannon looks great, as well.

[ZettaK]

Tamra said on Andy Cohen's Watch What Happens Live yesterday that Jenn was asked by Ryan to be on a break, but he cheated on her, something she didn't expect (and she didn't do it herself), but she took him back because she was chosen to become an OC Housewife, and she was going to start filming. This probably explains the excessive kissing, hugging, etc. between them (they were kissing while on paddle boards on the previous episode!). It's more like a story line. Emily Simpson was on WWHL, as well, and she agreed that Ryan is scam. 

Both Tamra and Emily said that John was very controlling in his relationship with Shannon. 

Edited July 27, 2023 by ZettaK

[tranquilidade]

So that would mean the relationship is totally fake and just for the show and that Tamra and Heather Amin are trying to punish and humiliate Jen for not being authentic.  Tamra has a history of this going back as far as 2013 with Gretchen Rossi but I always thought Tamra as a hypocrite because she pretended to be in a happy marriage until Vickie called her out on the truth about it leading to the divorce. Now that Tamra claims to be authentic she is like a K9 seeking out duplicity.  It's not really a good look.

[hottesthw]

1 hour ago, ZettaK said:

Tamra said on Andy Cohen's Watch What Happens Live yesterday that Jenn was asked by Ryan to be on a break, but he cheated on her, something she didn't expect (and she didn't do it herself), but she took him back because she was chosen to become an OC Housewife, and she was going to start filming. This probably explains the excessive kissing, hugging, etc. between them. It's more like a story line. Emily Simpson was on, as well, and she agreed that Ryan is scam. 

Both Tamra and Emily said that John was very controlling in his relationship with Shannon. 

That’s Tammy Sues take on their relationship. If Jenn says otherwise, until I see proof on camera, I have no reason to believe Tamra over Jenn.

And if Ryan is an ass, so be it. That’s Jenn’s problem not anyone else’s. Eddie is as big a douchebag as they come yet everyone tolerated him and his goofy cardio workouts on camera. Tamras done much worse for a Rolex. 

[ZettaK]

27 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

So that would mean the relationship is totally fake and just for the show and that Tamra and Heather Amin are trying to punish and humiliate Jen for not being authentic.  Tamra has a history of this going back as far as 2013 with Gretchen Rossi but I always thought Tamra as a hypocrite because she pretended to be in a happy marriage until Vickie called her out on the truth about it leading to the divorce. Now that Tamra claims to be authentic she is like a K9 seeking out duplicity.  It's not really a good look.

It doesn't necessarily mean that Jenn's relationship is 100% fake, but it's not a great love affair, and it won't probably last. 

I think that the loss of Simon's job (and that he couldn't find any other job for a long time- he tried to promote a tequila on the show if anybody remembers), and the loss of the house while having three young kids put a huge strain on Tamra and Simon's marriage. 

19 minutes ago, hottesthw said:

That’s Tammy Sues take on their relationship. If Jenn says otherwise, until I see proof on camera, I have no reason to believe Tamra over Jenn.

And if Ryan is an ass, so be it. That’s Jenn’s problem not anyone else’s. Eddie is as big a douchebag as they come yet everyone tolerated him and his goofy cardio workouts on camera. Tamras done much worse for a Rolex. 

Jenn said already on the show (at the country and western clothing store before the trip to Montana) that Ryan cheated on her with a common friend while on a break. Heather and Shannon were present, and questioned if she could trust him. Jenn is on a reality show, and it was to be expected that her relationship would be questioned. She knew it, and she probably thought it was a good story line.

Edited July 27, 2023 by ZettaK

[tranquilidade]

38 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

It doesn't necessarily mean that Jenn's relationship is 100% fake, but it's not a great love affair, and it won't probably last. 

I think that the loss of Simon's job (and that he couldn't find any other job for a long time- he tried to promote a tequila on the show if anybody remembers), and the loss of the house while having three young kids put a huge strain on Tamra and Simon's marriage. 

Jenn said already on the show (at the country and western clothing store before the trip to Montana) that Ryan cheated on her with a common friend while on a break. Heather and Shannon were present, and questioned if she could trust him. Jenn is on a reality show, and it was to be expected that her relationship would be questioned. She knew it, and she probably thought it was a good story line.

I agree with what you said but I also think that Tamra only married Simon for money and when things got difficult she checked out.  I'm not saying he is perfect because he came off as controlling but if you love someone genuinely you don't bale out during hard times and you try to work out the issues you have.  Once Tamra was on TV and earning her own money, I think she felt like it was time to go. 

[hottesthw]

1 hour ago, ZettaK said:

It doesn't necessarily mean that Jenn's relationship is 100% fake, but it's not a great love affair, and it won't probably last. 

I think that the loss of Simon's job (and that he couldn't find any other job for a long time- he tried to promote a tequila on the show if anybody remembers), and the loss of the house while having three young kids put a huge strain on Tamra and Simon's marriage. 

Jenn said already on the show (at the country and western clothing store before the trip to Montana) that Ryan cheated on her with a common friend while on a break. Heather and Shannon were present, and questioned if she could trust him. Jenn is on a reality show, and it was to be expected that her relationship would be questioned. She knew it, and she probably thought it was a good story line.

Yes true. But she also has stated she is happy and in love with him. End of story as far as everyone should be concerned. Watching Tamra try and convince her that she’s not in love and living a lie is ridiculous. Again, Eddie is a complete controlling and creepy AF asshole. How would she feel if they all ganged up on her telling her how weird they all think he is? Despite her saying hey, whatever I love him so back off. 
 

Tamra is threatened by Jenn. That’s what it comes down to. Now that the gym is closed they need some income so she needs to keep her orange. It’s a shame she’s gonna drag this show into the gutter like NY. 

[ZettaK]

Shannon Beador was at a Costa Mesa bar with John Jensen and his family. They are friendly after 6 months of not talking. She fought with his daughter, she appeared to be “wasted” and had to be held back and removed by security.

Page Six has seen numerous photos of men in Tiki Bar security shirts physically escorting an upset- and disheveled-looking Beador off the premises.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2023/07/27/wasted-shannon-beador-kicked-out-of-bar-after-screaming-at-ex-john-janssens-daughter/amp/

[Salacious Kitty]

6 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Shannon Beador was at a Costa Mesa bar with John Jensen and his family. They are friendly after 6 months of not talking. She fought with his daughter, she appeared to be “wasted” and had to be held back and removed by security.

Page Six has seen numerous photos of men in Tiki Bar security shirts physically escorting an upset- and disheveled-looking Beador off the premises.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2023/07/27/wasted-shannon-beador-kicked-out-of-bar-after-screaming-at-ex-john-janssens-daughter/amp/

There are conflicting reports in the story. It appears they were all asked to leave as UT was closing time. And the employees were helping Shannon find her Uber as she didn't have her glasses. 

[RoseAllDay]

Heads up. Apparently Bravo is re-running Season 1 on Sunday, back when the show was actually real — and good.

On 7/27/2023 at 11:04 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

There are conflicting reports in the story. It appears they were all asked to leave as UT was closing time. And the employees were helping Shannon find her Uber as she didn't have her glasses. 

Loud drunks at closing time, most likely. Lights come on, everybody gets out. That said, though, it’s been clear that Shannon does not hold her liquor well.

[ZettaK]

On 7/27/2023 at 11:04 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

There are conflicting reports in the story. It appears they were all asked to leave as UT was closing time. And the employees were helping Shannon find her Uber as she didn't have her glasses. 

But Shannon was fighting with John's daughter before, and there are no conflicting reports about this.

It is no coincidence that Shannon who admitted in interviews that she didn't talk to John for 6 months, suddenly started seeing him in public (at least a couple of times) just when the show started airing. It seems to me she is trying to show the breakup was not so bad, exactly what she did with David, until she couldn't do it anymore.

[ZettaK]

On 7/27/2023 at 6:14 PM, hottesthw said:

That’s Tammy Sues take on their relationship. If Jenn says otherwise, until I see proof on camera, I have no reason to believe Tamra over Jenn.

And if Ryan is an ass, so be it. That’s Jenn’s problem not anyone else’s. Eddie is as big a douchebag as they come yet everyone tolerated him and his goofy cardio workouts on camera. Tamras done much worse for a Rolex. 

There were photos of Tamra, Ryan, Simon Barney, and at least one of their kids on the Bravo website ("photos of the HWs before they became HWs") living at a tiny rental apartment with cheap furniture, so she obviously didn't go after him for his money. They bought the house in Ladera Ranch (the one we saw when Tamra started filming) three, or four years before, and we know it went in foreclosure soon after.

[ZettaK]

On 7/27/2023 at 7:04 PM, tranquilidade said:

I agree with what you said but I also think that Tamra only married Simon for money and when things got difficult she checked out.  I'm not saying he is perfect because he came off as controlling but if you love someone genuinely you don't bale out during hard times and you try to work out the issues you have.  Once Tamra was on TV and earning her own money, I think she felt like it was time to go. 

I posted about this below. A photo of Tamra, Simon, Ryan, and at least one of their kids was on the Bravo website ("photos of the HWs before they were HWs"), and they were living at a tiny rental apartment with cheap furniture. The house we saw when Tamra joined the HWs was bought three or four years before, and went into foreclosure very soon after. So, no she didn't marry him for his money. Simon said very early on the show that he didn't want her to travel alone (even for the show), or work. And I think the situation became worse when she joined the show, she became known, and had her own income. 

[ZettaK]

On 7/27/2023 at 6:05 PM, tranquilidade said:

So that would mean the relationship is totally fake and just for the show and that Tamra and Heather Amin are trying to punish and humiliate Jen for not being authentic.  Tamra has a history of this going back as far as 2013 with Gretchen Rossi but I always thought Tamra as a hypocrite because she pretended to be in a happy marriage until Vickie called her out on the truth about it leading to the divorce. Now that Tamra claims to be authentic she is like a K9 seeking out duplicity.  It's not really a good look.

I think that Tamra's marriage was fine for as long as Simon was the only breadwinner (because he didn't let her work), and he could tell her what to do. The situation changed when she joined the show, she had her own income, and he didn't want to accept the new reality- he only became more controlling (and I think jealous). Tamra never hid anything. She didn't lie about the foreclosure of her house, and the couple's finances when this is a given for most HWs (who normally present an idealized image of themselves), even the gym's recent closure, or about Ryan. Most HWs pretend they are rich when they are not, and pretend their kids are perfect. Eddie is not well-off either, but Tamra married him.

As for Gretchen, she was the first HW who had a 100% fake story line. She was supposedly engaged to Jeff, the older guy who had cancer when she was secretly seeing Jay Photoglou- some people saw her in bars with him, and at Bass Lake with her parents when Jeff was in the hospital, and she then claimed that Slade paid for child support for his sick child when he didn't. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by ZettaK

[tranquilidade]

On 8/1/2023 at 9:59 PM, ZettaK said:

I think that Tamra's marriage was fine for as long as Simon was the only breadwinner (because he didn't let her work), and he could tell her what to do. The situation changed when she joined the show, she had her own income, and he didn't want to accept the new reality- he only became more controlling (and I think jealous). Tamra never hid anything. She didn't lie about the foreclosure of her house, and the couple's finances when this is a given for most HWs (who normally present an idealized image of themselves), even the gym's recent closure, or about Ryan. Most HWs pretend they are rich when they are not, and pretend their kids are perfect. Eddie is not well-off either, but Tamra married him.

As for Gretchen, she was the first HW who had a 100% fake story line. She was supposedly engaged to Jeff, the older guy who had cancer when she was secretly seeing Jay Photoglou- some people saw her in bars with him, and at Bass Lake with her parents when Jeff was in the hospital, and she then claimed that Slade paid for child support for his sick child when he didn't. 

I never saw the pictures of the "cheap furniture and the rental" but what I do remember on the show was an episode where she went to his successful car dealership and I remember seeing at least one if not two different houses she lived in.   He may not have been rich at the time she met him but he was the breadwinner and she was struggling as a single mother.  I never read anything to suggest Simon didn't want her making her "own" money and when he lost his job it would not make sense for him to give that up.  What I do think happened, and I think it's the same thing that happens to most of the women who wind up in divorce, is that when Tamra realized she had her own income she was no longer compliant and willing to be told what to do. Some of these men, I believe, enjoy having a wife who never speaks up and being a tv personality helps them to develop enough sense of self to do exactly that. 

I personally don't see Tamra as any more truthful or less so than any of the others although lying about wealth is not her thing--on this I agree but that's where I draw the line. 

Everyone knew that Gretchen Rossi was not really engaged to Jeff and it was very clear to anyone paying attention what that arrangement was. Tamra made it her mission to drive her off the show because I believe Tamra felt there was room for only one beautiful blonde and Gretchen Rossi gave her competition.  Don't forget how Tamra USED her son to try to entrap Gretchen in infidelity  in Tamra's BATHROOM.  It was disgusting.  Tamra used the child support issue with Slade to humiliate the couple not to support the children involved and personally I felt that whole issue was unrelated to the show and should not have been part of the reunion.  Making Gretchen admit her relationship to Jeff was fake did not have to drag in children that were not on the show.  Tamra will do anything to promote herself at the cost of those around her. 

[65mickey]

On 7/27/2023 at 11:04 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

There are conflicting reports in the story. It appears they were all asked to leave as UT was closing time. And the employees were helping Shannon find her Uber as she didn't have her glasses. 

So Shannon and John are at a bar and Shannon get into an argument.  How unusual. She needed the manager to help her locate an Uber. More like call an Uber and  pour her into the car. Why wasn't John getting an Urber for Shannon? I guess he escaped with his daughter. Shannon has been offering excuses for her drunken antics for years.  I am not buying any of her excuses If John has an ounce of sense he will stay far away from Shannon and the OC women. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by 65mickey

[bravofan27]

On 7/27/2023 at 6:23 PM, ZettaK said:

Jenn said already on the show (at the country and western clothing store before the trip to Montana) that Ryan cheated on her with a common friend while on a break. Heather and Shannon were present, and questioned if she could trust him. Jenn is on a reality show, and it was to be expected that her relationship would be questioned. She knew it, and she probably thought it was a good story line.

These are things I've picked up on that I have no idea if I'm right.

1. Ryan sent the dick pick to Heather A. during their "break." When caught he resent it to a bunch of people and said it was a mistake and meant for Jenn. 

2. Tamra and Heather A. believe Ryan sent to dick pic to Heather A. and it was FOR Heather A.

3. The person Ryan slept with on their break was Heather A. (which is why Tamra knows everything and Heather A is so invested).

4. Tamra really dislikes Jenn 

5. Heather D. really wants everyone to know that she bought Mark Cuban dinner

 

[ZettaK]

On 8/7/2023 at 7:48 AM, tranquilidade said:

I never saw the pictures of the "cheap furniture and the rental" but what I do remember on the show was an episode where she went to his successful car dealership and I remember seeing at least one if not two different houses she lived in.   He may not have been rich at the time she met him but he was the breadwinner and she was struggling as a single mother.  I never read anything to suggest Simon didn't want her making her "own" money and when he lost his job it would not make sense for him to give that up.  What I do think happened, and I think it's the same thing that happens to most of the women who wind up in divorce, is that when Tamra realized she had her own income she was no longer compliant and willing to be told what to do. Some of these men, I believe, enjoy having a wife who never speaks up and being a tv personality helps them to develop enough sense of self to do exactly that. 

I personally don't see Tamra as any more truthful or less so than any of the others although lying about wealth is not her thing--on this I agree but that's where I draw the line. 

Everyone knew that Gretchen Rossi was not really engaged to Jeff and it was very clear to anyone paying attention what that arrangement was. Tamra made it her mission to drive her off the show because I believe Tamra felt there was room for only one beautiful blonde and Gretchen Rossi gave her competition.  Don't forget how Tamra USED her son to try to entrap Gretchen in infidelity  in Tamra's BATHROOM.  It was disgusting.  Tamra used the child support issue with Slade to humiliate the couple not to support the children involved and personally I felt that whole issue was unrelated to the show and should not have been part of the reunion.  Making Gretchen admit her relationship to Jeff was fake did not have to drag in children that were not on the show.  Tamra will do anything to promote herself at the cost of those around her. 

The small rental was not shown because that was years before the RH OC, when Simon and Tamra had their first child. It was shown on a photo on bravo.com, as I mentioned. And he didn't have the income he had later. The bigger house we saw was purchased with the kind of loans that were given in about 2005 (to everybody, without checking the kind of income one had, etc.), that's why the couple foreclosured on it (or really it was a short sale) soon after. I think they owned it for 4 or 5 years, and it was the only house we saw them living at. Simon worked at a Mercedes dealership, he didn't own it. So Tamra didn't marry him for his money. I posted the same earlier on this, or another thread (so I agree) about why Tamra wanted a divorce. She suddenly had a nice income, and she didn't want to be told what to do. But Simon said on the show that he didn't want her to work, or travel alone (even for the show). 

As for Gretchen, at the time of social media infancy (they were more, or less non existent), and not the deluge of blogs, sites, etc. of today, almost nobody had access to the real life of people like her, so everybody more, or less believed what was presented on the show. That's what Gretchen counted on, and created her story line. As for what Tamra did, a lot of it was dictated by production for a story line, like it's common on "reality" shows, and the reason she is popular with production until today- she cooperates. I agree the episode with Ryan, and Gretchen was disturbing though. Tamra didn't "drive Gretchen out", Bravo fired her because she didn't have a story line, and tried to push the fake engagement to Slade. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by ZettaK

[nexxie]

Reunion outfits - Taylor’s look is fresh imo, Jen’s not so much.
https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/style-living/rhoc-season-17-reunion-looks-photos-dresses

[Salacious Kitty]

Good God Jenn. That looks like Carol Burnett's Scarlett O'Hara. 

I like Emily's look the most. Simple and not slutty. Looking at you, Gina!

[Baltimore Betty]

Heather looks like she needs to eat...she also looks like she is on the set of Malibu Country, lol.

Seriously, they all look like aging hookers.

Emily looks the best.

Why have these reunions turned in to costume parties?

[Kiss my mutt]

Emily looks the best. It’s a very pretty color and flattering dress on her. 
Jenn-did she draw the short straw? 

[RoseAllDay]

2 hours ago, nexxie said:

Reunion outfits - Taylor’s look is fresh imo, Jen’s not so much.
https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/style-living/rhoc-season-17-reunion-looks-photos-dresses

What in the hell happened to Shannon’s hair? Sorry, none of them look attractive to me. 

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Heather looks like she needs to eat...she also looks like she is on the set of Malibu Country, lol.

Seriously, they all look like aging hookers.

Emily looks the best.

Why have these reunions turned in to costume parties?

Agreed.

[Lisa418722]

I think Emily looks the best.  I actually like Taylor's dress too.  The rest of them... are a big NOPE!!!  

[Natalie68]

4 hours ago, nexxie said:

Reunion outfits - Taylor’s look is fresh imo, Jen’s not so much.
https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/style-living/rhoc-season-17-reunion-looks-photos-dresses

Only one I like is Taylor

[heatherchandler]

I love Emily’s look, I kind of love Shannon’s too.